Einstein

[W2ILP]

Einsteins sister had a lot of Einsteins notes and personal letters. #His sister put all that stuff in some institution in Israel, with the prevision that it could only be released to the public 20 years after she died. #She died in 1986. #Now the news is full of stuff that was guessed by some of Einstein's biographers and some that was not. #Most of us think of the old Einstein as a nerdy professor with unkempt hair. #The truth is he was quite a rake in Europe when he did his best work. #You can now read a lot about Albert by visiting the news sites.

There is now no doubt that Einstein was an Atheist, as I had told everyone here.

Einstein was married legally 3 times. #The second time to his own cousin. #Einstein had many mistresses even during times that he was married. # Enuf sed here because it is better for you to read what will now be published as the rest of the true stories.

E = MC^2

w2ilp (Innocent Little Professor) sought the meaning of life by multiple special relations with relatively more than most of us can. # #I kid you not.

[K6BBC]

Quote[/b] (W2ILP @ July 10 2006,20:53)]Einsteins sister had a lot of Einsteins notes and personal letters. #His sister put all that stuff in some institution in Israel, with the prevision that it could only be released to the public 20 years after she died. #She died in 1986. #Now the news is full of stuff that was guessed by some of Einstein's biographers and some that was not. #Most of us think of the old Einstein as a nerdy professor with unkempt hair. #The truth is he was quite a rake in Europe when he did his best work. #You can now read a lot about Albert by visiting the news sites.

There is now no doubt that Einstein was an Atheist, as I had told everyone here.

Einstein was married legally 3 times. #The second time to his own cousin. #Einstein had many mistresses even during times that he was married. # Enuf sed here because it is better for you to read what will now be published as the rest of the true stories.

E = MC^2

w2ilp (Innocent Little Professor) sought the meaning of life by multiple special relations with relatively more than most of us can. # #I kid you not.
He was very close to Charlie Chaplin and was often Chaplin's guest at screenings. I am sure he was fun at parties too.

K6BBC

[ai4ep]

Einstein...was he the one that tried to fly a kite in a thunderstorm...or... the dude the apple fell out of the pear tree and hit him on the head ?

[k4kyv]

Quote[/b] (W2ILP @ July 10 2006,20:53)]Enuf sed here because it is better for you to read what will now be published as the rest of the true stories.
Has any of it been published yet? Where did you get your information? Would be interesting reading.

[w3sy]

Einstein definitely was NOT the guy at the FCC who killed the Novice Class and made NCT the entry point into hamming.

[KA4DPO]

Quote[/b] (w3sy @ July 11 2006,17:05)]Einstein definitely was NOT the guy at the FCC who killed the Novice Class and made NCT the entry point into hamming.
No way, he was way smarter than that...

[w3sy]

Yah, but still couldn't find his car in the parking lot.

[n6hcm]

Quote[/b] (w3sy @ July 11 2006,20:33)]Yah, but still couldn't find his car in the parking lot.
that's why there are chauffeurs ...

[KI4ITV]

Quote[/b] (w3sy @ July 11 2006,15:33)]Yah, but still couldn't find his car in the parking lot.
I took the antennas off one of our vans for two days and my wife couldn't either. #I consider this a small victory for mobile installations. #She wanted them put back on before she went to the mall.
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[KA4DPO]

Quote[/b] (KI4ITV @ July 12 2006,06:23)]Quote[/b] (w3sy @ July 11 2006,15:33)]Yah, but still couldn't find his car in the parking lot.
I took the antennas off one of our vans for two days and my wife couldn't either. #I consider this a small victory for mobile installations. #She wanted them put back on before she went to the mall.
. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
OK, that was really smart. Now if you can figure out a way to make your wife want to mow the lawn instead of going shopping I'll nominate you for a Nobel prize.

[WB2WIK]

Quote[/b] (k4kyv @ July 11 2006,10:54)]Quote[/b] (W2ILP @ July 10 2006,20:53)]Enuf sed here because it is better for you to read what will now be published as the rest of the true stories.
Has any of it been published yet? Where did you get your information? Would be interesting reading.
It is now released and published.

Large portions of the long awaited transcripts were published in the Los Angeles Times as well as the L.A. Daily News this past Sunday, so I'm sure other major newspapers picked it up and ran the same stuff.

I thought it was Einstein's daughter and not his sister who wrote all the notes...maybe I got the wrong impression, I read through it all very quickly. I'll go back and look again. I wouldn't think Einstein would have any living sisters in 1986, since he died more than 30 years before that as a pretty old man.

Yes, no question Einstein was an atheist and no doubt he was a philanderer. What some don't know is that he did all his best work as a very young man; by the time he was 35 years old, it was all behind him and he went on to doing other stuff, like living in NJ and sponsoring hundreds of holocaust survivors to come to America. He was an early bloomer in every sense of the word...

WB2WIK/6

[w5klb]

Quote[/b] (WB2WIK @ July 13 2006,09:12)]Yes, no question Einstein was an atheist...
Here, you would be wrong.

Quote[/b] ]I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details.

Does this sound like an atheist to you? If he though that God didn't exsist, why would he make such a statement? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

He probably thought as I do that we are only discovering a tiny fraction of what God does know. I kinda think of God as the scientist upstairs that knows EVERYTHING. It seems your mileage clearly varies and thats okay by me.

[WB2WIK]

Quote[/b] (w5klb @ July 13 2006,13:29)]Quote[/b] (WB2WIK @ July 13 2006,09:12)]Yes, no question Einstein was an atheist...
Here, you would be wrong.

Quote[/b] ]I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details.

Does this sound like an atheist to you? If he though that God didn't exsist, why would he make such a statement? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

He probably thought as I do that we are only discovering a tiny fraction of what God does know. I kinda think of God as the scientist upstairs that knows EVERYTHING. It seems your mileage clearly varies and thats okay by me.
Read more...especially all that just released by his daughter.

Taking one simple statement without context can be very misleading.

If you read all the writings, it's really clear how Einstein really felt on this subject; although, since it's the opinion of one man, it's not all that relevant, is it?

[w5klb]

Quote[/b] (WB2WIK @ July 13 2006,14:00)]Quote[/b] (w5klb @ July 13 2006,13:29)]Quote[/b] (WB2WIK @ July 13 2006,09:12)]Yes, no question Einstein was an atheist...
Here, you would be wrong.

Quote[/b] ]I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details.

Does this sound like an atheist to you? If he though that God didn't exsist, why would he make such a statement? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

He probably thought as I do that we are only discovering a tiny fraction of what God does know. I kinda think of God as the scientist upstairs that knows EVERYTHING. It seems your mileage clearly varies and thats okay by me.
Read more...especially all that just released by his daughter.

Taking one simple statement without context can be very misleading.

If you read all the writings, it's really clear how Einstein really felt on this subject; although, since it's the opinion of one man, it's not all that relevant, is it?
History records that it was Albert Einstein who founded Hebrew University in Jerusalem. This implies that he was Jewish, maybe not a good Jew, but Jewish nonetheless and had knowledge of Elohim (God). He also left all of his personal papers to this institution. I would seem that an atheist wouldn't do such things. So no, my statement was not taken out of context nor was it misleading. Einstein had knowledge of and believed in a higher power as he understood Him to be. Yep, he was a "ladies man" and often bragged about it.

I also take note that orginal poster hasn't posted any links where I can read this for myself so I will post mine:

Newly Unsealed Love Letters Shed Light on Albert Einstein's Private Life (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,202883,00.html)

As far as relevancy is concerned, it was you who brought up the idea that Einstein, the worlds greatest physicist, was an atheist. I respectfully disagree and can back my statements up. #It seems to me that Einstein really wanted to know what God was thinking. Had he lived longer, he probably would of found out! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[WB2WIK]

...and I respectfully but adamantly disagree.

This is one of hundreds of quotations from the man himself, well documented, on the subject:

>Albert Einstein, German born American threoretical physicist (1879-1955).
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." [From a letter Einstein wrote in English, dated 24 March 1954. It is included in Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, published by Princeton University Press.
"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."<

There are many such very strong anti-theistic statements attributed to Einstein.

The Hebrew University name was not his choosing. He chose to help finance it. Nearly everything in Israel begins, "The Hebrew...." as I discovered in my visits there! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

WB2WIK/6

[AK7V]

Who cares if Einstein believed in God.

Mega-geniuses throughout history remain split on the issue, and I expect it to remain that way for a while.

If you believe in God, you probably think Einstein was just as much as a putz as the rest of us, compared to God, so his opinion shouldn't be too relevant.

[w5klb]

WIK: 1
KLB: Ø

Happy now? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[W2ILP]

WIK = 1
ILP = 1
KLB = 0

The subject of Einstein's non religion beliefs has been a subject of scholars for a long time and many references are made to his quotations...such as: #" God does not play dice with the universe".
Einstein was questioned by what he meant by God. #He said he meant the God of Spinoza, which is quite different than the concept of a religiously, superstitiously or mythical defined Deity.

It does not mater what Einstein wrote for the public to read in his essays nor what wise sayings or jokes he spoke to press reporters. #We must only talk about what Einstein himself believed. #He did not follow any Jewish traditions or attend any services. #He willed that his body would be given to a lab for scientific study and cremated if it was of no technical use. Actually Einstein's brain was removed from his skull. #It was weighed and studied...but found to be no different than any average human brain. #Einstein's final desires were thus contrary to basic Jewish religious tradition. #Even the majority of Atheists Jews prefer to be buried in a traditional manner.

Einstein's recently released personal papers and letters serve to further verify his personal Atheism.

Does it matter what Einstein thought?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif #To me it does. #Einstein was originally a Zionist when he was young...but when Israel was created, he was offered the job of being president of Israel. #He didn't want to live in Israel or be its president, and he lamented that Israel would eventually be exactly what it has become today:...A nation whose neighbors religiously deny its right to exist.

Jews of heritage can be proud of Albert Einstein for his Humanism, his foresight, his anti nationalism and his Atheism....as well as being the greatest Physicist and Mathematician of his day. Einstein was not a hypocrite...He was a true man of true science.

w2ilp (Irreverent Logical Professor)...For Einstein: God was not relative.

Incidentally bbc said that Einstein was a friend of Charley Chaplin. #There is a story about Chaplin lending Paulette Goddard (who was at that time married to Chaplin) to Einstein so that he could prove his quip to the press that humorously explained his "theory of relativity". #He had said that time was relative and five minutes in a dentist's chair could seem like an hour, while a hour with a beautiful girl could seem like 5 minutes. #He actually wrote a humorous article about spending some time in a bar in NYC with Paulette to prove his point. #Einstein liked the ladies and he had a sense of humor. #I don't think anyone would deny that.

[WB2WIK]

Einstein quotes and sources:

"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings."
-- Albert Einstein, following his wife's advice in responding to Rabbi Herbert Goldstein of the International Synagogue in New York, who had sent Einstein a cablegram bluntly demanding "Do you believe in God?" Quoted from and citation notes derived from Victor J. Stenger, Has Science Found God? (draft: 2001), chapter 3.

"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms."
-- Albert Einstein, obituary in New York Times, 19 April 1955, quoted from James A. Haught, "Breaking the Last Taboo" (1996)

"I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it."
-- Albert Einstein, 1954, from Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press

"Scientific research is based on the idea that everything that takes place is determined by laws of nature, and therefore this holds for the action of people. For this reason, a research scientist will hardly be inclined to believe that events could be influenced by a prayer, i.e. by a wish addressed to a Supernatural Being."
-- Albert Einstein, 1936, responding to a child who wrote and asked if scientists pray. Source: Albert Einstein: The Human Side, Edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffmann

"I am convinced that some political and social activities and practices of the Catholic organizations are detrimental and even dangerous for the community as a whole, here and everywhere. I mention here only the fight against birth control at a time when overpopulation in various countries has become a serious threat to the health of people and a grave obstacle to any attempt to organize peace on this planet."
-- Albert Einstein, letter, 1954

"The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. The religion which based on experience, which refuses dogmatic. If there's any religion that would cope the scientific needs it will be Buddhism....
If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed.
The further the spiritual evolution of mankind advances, the more certain it seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity does not lie through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith, but through striving after rational knowledge.
Immortality? There are two kinds. The first lives in the imagination of the people, and is thus an illusion. There is a relative immortality which may conserve the memory of an individual for some generations. But there is only one true immortality, on a cosmic scale, and that is the immortality of the cosmos itself. There is no other."
-- Albert Einstein, quoted in Madalyn Murray O'Hair, All the Questions You Ever Wanted to Ask American Atheists (1982) vol. ii., p. 29

There's no question that Mr. Einstein thought religion in general is simply foolish; however his ability to express that feeling in so many ways is what's interesting, at least to me.

[AK7V]

That's great, but to a religious person, intelligence isn't the primary trait that makes someone great or important. #So while Einstein's lack of religiosity might bolster an athiest's opinion, for whom intellect is often primary and most persuasive, it should be irrelevant to an actual religious person, since compared to God, we're all equally moronic.

Which is why the whole Einstein/god discussion is pointless, unless you're trying to justify your position using a better brain as a proxy. #Which, if you're an athiest, will only amuse other athiests/agnostics -- and if you're religious, is irrelevant.

[WB2WIK]

Quote[/b] (AK7V @ July 14 2006,08:36)]That's great, but to a religious person, intelligence isn't the primary trait that makes someone great or important.
Then, what is?

[AK7V]

Quote[/b] (WB2WIK @ July 14 2006,11:37)]Quote[/b] (AK7V @ July 14 2006,08:36)]That's great, but to a religious person, intelligence isn't the primary trait that makes someone great or important.
Then, what is?
Ask a religious person.

It's probably kindness or faith or god-fearing-ness or humility or spell casting ability or eye color or... I don't know. But it ain't IQ.

[KE5FRF]

Quote[/b] (WB2WIK @ July 14 2006,13:37)]Quote[/b] (AK7V @ July 14 2006,08:36)]That's great, but to a religious person, intelligence isn't the primary trait that makes someone great or important.
Then, what is?
Kindness, charity, love for fellow man, forgiveness, honour, courage, conviction, intestinal fortitude, sympathy, respect, honesty, dependability, commitment, character.

All of these traits I hold in far higher esteem than intellect. My soon to be Ex-wife is brilliant, yet she lacks many of the above mentioned traits, or at least applies them only when it BENEFITS her. She is an agnostic, BTW.

I have shown her kindness, forgiveness, sympathy, and commitment throughout our seperation, yet she has shown me that ice runs in her veins. She has shown a SERIOUS innability to forgive ME for any infractions I might have ever made upon her. Thus, I find her to be LACKING in character. Yet, she is a university professor and has a brilliant intellect. What is her worth? Not much I can say good about the woman anymore, especially after her infidelities.

Was Einstein Brilliant? Of course. Was he a good person? I would imagine he probably was. Did he adhere to Judeo-Christian philosophies? I wager that if he wasn't a practicing Jew, he at least followed the ethics that his upbringing in a Jewish home tought him. The jury is still out on his supposed atheist beliefs. I think a more accurate description of Einstein would not be ATHEIST but rather AGNOSTIC. I think he did not practice or put faith in any higher power, but I believe just as many writings can be found where he pondered and questioned the concept. If he was an ATHEIST, he wouldn't have given it much more thought than "Why is the sky blue?"...which can be answered in a few short paragraphs of reading. No, if he were alive today, I suspect he would have labeled himself agnostic. And I must say, as a Christian person, I can see where someone of supreme intellect such as Einstein would simply HAVE to consider themselves agnostic, because only a dishonest person can consider himself 100% a man of faith or 100% a man of total disbelief in a God. While I call myself a Christian, I have had doubts and questions all my life, but I CHOOSE to squelch them with a certain level of faith.

[WB2WIK]

Quote[/b] (KE5FRF @ July 14 2006,12:01)]Quote[/b] (WB2WIK @ July 14 2006,13:37)]Quote[/b] (AK7V @ July 14 2006,08:36)]That's great, but to a religious person, intelligence isn't the primary trait that makes someone great or important.
Then, what is?
Kindness, charity, love for fellow man, forgiveness, honour, courage, conviction, intestinal fortitude, sympathy, respect, honesty, dependability, commitment, character.

All of these traits I hold in far higher esteem than intellect. My soon to be Ex-wife is brilliant, yet she lacks many of the above mentioned traits, or at least applies them only when it BENEFITS her. She is an agnostic, BTW.

I have shown her kindness, forgiveness, sympathy, and commitment throughout our seperation, yet she has shown me that ice runs in her veins. She has shown a SERIOUS innability to forgive ME for any infractions I might have ever made upon her. Thus, I find her to be LACKING in character. Yet, she is a university professor and has a brilliant intellect. What is her worth? Not much I can say good about the woman anymore, especially after her infidelities.

Was Einstein Brilliant? Of course. Was he a good person? I would imagine he probably was. Did he adhere to Judeo-Christian philosophies? I wager that if he wasn't a practicing Jew, he at least followed the ethics that his upbringing in a Jewish home tought him. The jury is still out on his supposed atheist beliefs. I think a more accurate description of Einstein would not be ATHEIST but rather AGNOSTIC. I think he did not practice or put faith in any higher power, but I believe just as many writings can be found where he pondered and questioned the concept. If he was an ATHEIST, he wouldn't have given it much more thought than "Why is the sky blue?"...which can be answered in a few short paragraphs of reading. No, if he were alive today, I suspect he would have labeled himself agnostic. And I must say, as a Christian person, I can see where someone of supreme intellect such as Einstein would simply HAVE to consider themselves agnostic, because only a dishonest person can consider himself 100% a man of faith or 100% a man of total disbelief in a God. While I call myself a Christian, I have had doubts and questions all my life, but I CHOOSE to squelch them with a certain level of faith.
Good answer.

And sorry about your soon to be XXYL. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

At least you can poke some fun at the situation.

Call her the "X squared YL"? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[KE5FRF]

WIK,

I read Einsteins writings COMPLETELY differently than you. All of your quotes, go back and read them, and tell me where Einstein says "There is no God"

In those writings, Einstein says, "I do not believe in a God who is (such and such)...I do not believe in a higher power that does (so on and so forth)"....He never explicitly states that he doesn't BELIEVE IN A HIGHER POWER or spiritual entity. I think Einstein rejects the idea of the Jewish God, and perhaps, the idea of ANY conventional superbeing or God as organized religious texts describe. But in none of those quotes do I read Einstein rejecting the concept of a benign creator or devine power. And in fact, when taken with other texts where Einstein ponders God, he seems to imply that he DOES consider the possibility of such a spiritual force, being, or power, but since he is just as incapable as the next man of understanding, he doesn't seem to dig much deeper than simply to say what he believes God IS NOT, rather than WHAT GOD IS, or wether or not A GOD is concievable.

[KE5FRF]

Quote[/b] (WB2WIK @ July 14 2006,14:07)]Quote[/b] (KE5FRF @ July 14 2006,12:01)]Quote[/b] (WB2WIK @ July 14 2006,13:37)]Quote[/b] (AK7V @ July 14 2006,08:36)]That's great, but to a religious person, intelligence isn't the primary trait that makes someone great or important.
Then, what is?
Kindness, charity, love for fellow man, forgiveness, honour, courage, conviction, intestinal fortitude, sympathy, respect, honesty, dependability, commitment, character.

All of these traits I hold in far higher esteem than intellect. My soon to be Ex-wife is brilliant, yet she lacks many of the above mentioned traits, or at least applies them only when it BENEFITS her. She is an agnostic, BTW.

I have shown her kindness, forgiveness, sympathy, and commitment throughout our seperation, yet she has shown me that ice runs in her veins. She has shown a SERIOUS innability to forgive ME for any infractions I might have ever made upon her. Thus, I find her to be LACKING in character. Yet, she is a university professor and has a brilliant intellect. What is her worth? Not much I can say good about the woman anymore, especially after her infidelities.

Was Einstein Brilliant? Of course. Was he a good person? I would imagine he probably was. Did he adhere to Judeo-Christian philosophies? I wager that if he wasn't a practicing Jew, he at least followed the ethics that his upbringing in a Jewish home tought him. The jury is still out on his supposed atheist beliefs. I think a more accurate description of Einstein would not be ATHEIST but rather AGNOSTIC. I think he did not practice or put faith in any higher power, but I believe just as many writings can be found where he pondered and questioned the concept. If he was an ATHEIST, he wouldn't have given it much more thought than "Why is the sky blue?"...which can be answered in a few short paragraphs of reading. No, if he were alive today, I suspect he would have labeled himself agnostic. And I must say, as a Christian person, I can see where someone of supreme intellect such as Einstein would simply HAVE to consider themselves agnostic, because only a dishonest person can consider himself 100% a man of faith or 100% a man of total disbelief in a God. While I call myself a Christian, I have had doubts and questions all my life, but I CHOOSE to squelch them with a certain level of faith.
Good answer.

And sorry about your soon to be XXYL. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

At least you can poke some fun at the situation.

Call her the "X squared YL"? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Thanks, WIK, I really appreciate that. I truly do. Can you believe, my child support for one child is going to be 750/month? LOL...And she makes 40,000 a year! And the (explitive) has the nerve to talk about spousal support!

trust me, I have NO problem with my son getting 750 dollars a month of my income, but the issue is that I KNOW that it doesn't cost that much to support one child. The rest, is her "slush fund" for the rest of his childhood. Yep, I am sure the Mercedes will be in her driveway soon enough. GRRRRR!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

Rant over.

[WB2WIK]

Heath, each state (and in some cases, counties or parishes) has its own standard for this.

Where you live, I'm surprised C.S. is $750 per child. -- but I've never lived there, so what do I know?

Here in L.A. where I am, C.S. is about $850 (monthly) per child, standard, minimum, automatically awarded by the court unless other information and circumstances prevail to change it. The wealthy obviously pay more. The scale should be public information, via the Chancery court or whatever you have.

You could petition for custody, maybe win. I assume you have a lawyer representing you in this.

Heck, it's only 18 years. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

After that, it gets way more expensive for a while.

"Dad, I really need a car...."

[KE5FRF]

I started to write up a reply that outlined how all of that is broken down, but I am always too open with personal information, and thought better of posting it, but lets just say that I am only responsible for a percentage of the total child support costs based upon my gross income vs. her gross income. And part of that amount also reflects child care expenses during the summer, and after care after school. It is a sliding scale, the more you make, the more you owe.

All I know is that my child NEVER cost that much to raise on any given month, except perhaps birthdays or Christmas. And that is with BOTH of our incomes together. IMHO, the total cost should be considered 750 bucks, THEN divided up by percentage, but alas, that isn't the way it is.

I am ASKing for dommisory custody, but I doubt I'll get it. She would have to be a drug addict or a criminal. And yes, I have an attorney, but that's just another expense, and I don't think he is going to get me much more than what the law already stipulates, and I doubt seriously that he could get me custody.

[WB2WIK]

Quote[/b] (KE5FRF @ July 14 2006,13:36)]I am ASKing for dommisory custody, but I doubt I'll get it. She would have to be a drug addict or a criminal. And yes, I have an attorney, but that's just another expense, and I don't think he is going to get me much more than what the law already stipulates, and I doubt seriously that he could get me custody.
Probably not, it's pretty tough.

Worth a shot, though.

One saving grace is your monthly commitment isn't likely to ever change, while your income likely will, and hopefully in the right direction. So, the amount will seem smaller down the road.

Does your agreement include provision for cost overruns? Most do. Those are real costs associated with custody and above and beyond the normal costs, e.g., medical and dental co-pays; after school care not already provided for in the original agreement; school supplies; school tuitions, if any; membership dues; sporting team fees, uniforms and equipment -- all kinds of stuff. If those become add-ons, actual monthly costs can be a lot higher than the base... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

"The voice of experience..."

WB2WIK/6

[N0KLT]

Back to the thread topic, his writings and stands on religion and God aside, we are learning a whole lot more about that fuzzy haired old man's private life then I EVER wanted to know. Guess I am not that curious about other people's sex lives. Why is all this information necessary?

[w8znx]

he loved his little 15ft sailboat

that and his little house
on a lake in Germany
that he truly missed

he got another small sailboat
but still longed for the one
he lost when he had to flee
from his native land

don't give a rats blank about
his sex life
its nobodys biz but
his and his loves

do not see why so many people
are so intrested
in the private lives of others
what
don't they have lives of their own to live

would have enjoyed going sailing with Albert

helm down Al don't spill your beer

mac

[WB2WIK]

Quote[/b] (N0KLT @ July 14 2006,14:25)]Back to the thread topic, his writings and stands on religion and God aside, we are learning a whole lot more about that fuzzy haired old man's private life then I EVER wanted to know. Guess I am not that curious about other people's sex lives. Why is all this information necessary?
It's not.

Einstein is on the short list of the most fascinating people the world has ever known, along with probably a few hundred others. Some are Nobel Prize winners (like Einstein), many aren't. They might be politicians, actors, teachers, authors, inventors or almost anything that made them stand out.

People want to know more about all of them.

Natural curiousity.

I don't care about Albert's sex life. It's fun to know he was a horny guy like the rest of us, I guess. Makes him seem real normal to me.

WB2WIK/6

[w8znx]

to me Albert always seemed like a regular guy

a regular guy that happend to be a genius

many people do not understand

beeing a genius does not
force one to not be a regular person

( have better terms but
cant find the words in the dictionary )

with the same flaws and weakness
that everybody else has

would you like another beer Al

mac

[ai4ep]

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[W2ILP]

ak7v

For heavens sake don't compare people with God. As a Jew I can not even compare a half human to God. As an Atheist I can only compare humans with other humans...and as a Humanist I can only compare those who would compare humans with their concept of God to those who think nothing of Humanity, for it is like comparing Humans with a vacuum.

When I talk about Einstein I am not comparing him with any God. Only Popes, Saints and preachers want to be compared with the Divine.
Einstein certainly was a human person (not a God) with the normal male sexual lust, the normal good sense of humor and the normal respect for his fellows... as any normal male might have...beyond that he was a productive scientist whose work can be compared with Leibniz or Newton...if you must make comparisons.

KE5RFR

Have you ever taken a third grade reading comprehension test?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif GWB says you should go back to grade school so as not to be left behind. I am serious...but I mean no personal offense. After all that WIK has typed ( including his reference sources) how can you come to the conclusion that Einstein recognized God in the way that you would like him to recognize God?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

Guys this is just an example of blind faith if not poor reading skills. I can't be politically correct enough to excuse it. Please understand that this is what Sam Harris tries to explain...because accepting this religious nonsense when talking about real humans and real human accomplishments can no longer be tolerated. It shows no respect for either living or dead humans when we refuse to understand what made (makes) them tick.

w2ilp (I Like Physics)...It has no need for the force of any God.
F = MA....(for A not approaching C)

[KE5FRF]

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ILP,

perhaps you need to examine your own reading comprehension. first of all, my callsign is KE5FRF

Second of all, I DIDN'T say that Einstein recognizes a god in any way or fashion that I WOULD like him to recognize a God. I said that Einstein never DISMISSED the concept of a God outright. He dismissed the conventional CONCEPTS that are provided by organized religion, but in all of those quotes, there was not one statement that "THERE IS NO GOD" or "THERE IS NO SPIRITUAL FORCE" in the universe. Einstein chose not to follow any strict conventions, but IN FACT sought an answer to the concept of God all of his life. I IMAGINE this is probably a big motivating factor in a lot of his brilliant thoughts and introspection. Let's examine a quote.....

Quote[/b] ]I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms."

Obviously, Einstein doesn't believe in the Judeo-Christian God. He makes this abundantly clear, at least, he doesn't believe in a God that possess these traits as he describes. He also doesn't believe in a spiritual afterlife.

But did he say he doesn't believe in God? His statements are neither reflective of ATHEIST beliefs, NOR conventional RELIGIOUS beliefs. Thus, the most logical conclusion is that Einstein was most likely AGNOSTIC, as I said before. And as I said before, and you obviously didn't a)comprehend, or b) take time to read them. I consider this to be a sign of his true intellectual honesty and brilliance, the ability to admit HE DOESN'T KNOW.

No offense taken, BTW.

[w4rot]

Quote[/b] ]would you like another beer Al

I imagine he would have liked that sentiment...
and smiled.
w4rot

[KE5FRF]

More quotes attributed to Einstein:

"I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details."

"I am convinced that He (God) does not play dice."

"God is subtle but he is not malicious."

"God does not care about our mathematical difficulties. He integrates empirically."

"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind."

And a quote I found by Einstein that COMPLETELY describes the falicy of absolute atheist OR absolute religious beliefs ...

"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods."

MY READING COMPREHENSION tells me that Einstein, as a man of wisdom, was warning us not to ever believe ourselves so infallably intelligent that we have a complete and masterful understanding of the nature of the universe.

Quote[/b] ]"Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts." (Sign hanging in Einstein's office at Princeton)

this one says it all. In other words, math and science doesn't hold all of the answers, (not everything that can be counted counts) and some answers can be found in things that mathematics can't show (Not everything that counts can be counted)

Is that good enough reading comprehension for ya?

Again, Einsteins writings CLEARLY indicate a deep respect for spiritual pursuits and even perhaps a recognition that a higher power might exist in the universe not describeable by science. But his agnostic tendencies allowed him to admit that he DIDN'T KNOW, AND COULDN'T BE CERTAIN OF ANYTHING. He had an absolute disdain for any sort of organized religion, but that does not mean that he wasn't religious or even spiritual.

And trust me, I am NOT an agnostic, and will never be one. I CHOOSE to believe in the Christian god, completely of my own free will, but it was only after years of soul searching, and moving through stages of atheism, to agnosic, to being a man of faith for more than 10 years now. I don't claim to KNOW the answers, but I have FAITH that the answers are in the Bible. And that faith isn't BLIND, it is calculated.

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[W2ILP]

ke5frf

I said that it does not matter what Einstein said since much of what he said was satire...It does matter to me what he believed. #You can judge a man by his actions and not by trying to evaluate every quote that he has made. #This is why his personal letters and his personal relations with his family, friends and his community are now important...although private personal stuff is normally none of the business of the public. #To use the word #"GOD" to mean the kind of God that you want it to mean is not recognition of what Einstein's deeds and life are all about. # It is now clear that neither a Biblical (Judeo Christian) God...nor the concept of a God that evaluates, judges or prescribes the morality of humans was what Einstein meant when he used the word "God". #

To assume that one must have had a religious or even a moral upbringing means that one would be likely to follow moral principles...is another myth. #There are no statistics that can show that the people who are jailed after committing crimes are less likely to be religious or more likely to have had a deficient moral upbringing. #There are fewer true Atheists in prisons than there are people who claim to act with religious faith. #Insanity that is criminal can also be religious.
One needs no faith in a God to believe that honesty is the best policy to follow.

A person who is inner directed and thinks for himself or herself can always act in a moral manner without ever having had a religious upbring by any folks of religious faith. # In my humble opinion religious people can be prone to hate people who do not share their religious convictions. #Only Atheist humanists are immune to that sort of hatred. # Religious parents can be prone to install their hatred and prejudices in their children as well as their ethics and morality or lack of ethics and
morality. #This hatred can go on from one generation to others, until it is halted by strong willed individuals who refuse to follow religious doctrines and dogma.

Truly great thinkers do not always follow the beliefs of others....even when the majority of others do not agree with them. # Einstein's theories were controversial when he first published them but this did not make him change his theories (photoelectric and special relativity). #His Atheism was also no doubt controversial...but he did not change his Atheism. #He had made this clear in both his writings and his deeds as far as most people are concerned...however there are some people (which may include you) who are so wrapped up with the concept of God that you can not bring yourself to believe that perfectly normal moral people can go through life with no need to have faith in any God at all. #There are also people who can not believe that there are Atheists in fox holes....but there are. # They also believe that Saddam Hussein was religious when he hid in a hole....but He was not religious enough to die for Allah and go to a mythical heaven, as many Muslim terrorists are. #He is now recognized as a secular leader who ruled over religious Muslims both Shiites and Sunnies, in a way that only a secular leader can. #True he killed a lot of people but he did enforce more stability than future leaders of Iraq may be capable of enforcing. #I am sorry to say that these people who evaluate people by what they believe are their own "faith based" moralities are more often wrong than right. They are the cause of a type of blind ignorance that is often considered harmless...BUT IT IS NOT HARMLESS...because it causes ignorant reasons for hatred and wars and leads to political misunderstandings that are not realistic and can not be discounted when serious political decisions must be made regarding human life on the Earth in the present global situations.

When Einstein said "Not everything that counts..." he was not talking about what may count for you. You could read about subatomic particles and apply what Einstein said about "What counts.." and never get near to blaming any count discrepancies or randomness to the God that counts for you.

w2ilp ( I Like Peace)

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