View Full Version : Shocking Memo from US Embassy in Baghdad
Quote[/b] ]-- Embassy employees are held in such low esteem their work must remain a secret and they live with constant fear that their cover will be blown. Of nine staffers, only four have told their families where they work. They all plan for their possible abductions. No one takes home their cell phones as this gives them away. One employee said criticism of the U.S. had grown so severe that most of her family believes the U.S. "is punishing populations as Saddam did."
Yeah, if they're not outed here like Plame.
* link * (http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002690071)
W2ILP
06-19-2006, 09:21 PM
The question now should be...
Do you think keeping troops in Iraq is helping or hurting any plans that Iraqis might have to develop a stable government of any kind?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
I don't think so myself...but I was never in Iraq and I'm not an ambassador of good will or bad fear.
w2ilp (I Like Peace) Many Iraqis believe that any Iraqis who agree with Americans are traitors.
KC4HGH
06-19-2006, 09:45 PM
Quote[/b] (W2ILP @ June 19 2006,14:21)]The question now should be...
Do you think keeping troops in Iraq is helping or hurting any plans that Iraqis might have to develop a stable government of any kind?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
I don't think so myself...but I was never in Iraq and I'm not an ambassador of good will or bad fear.
w2ilp (I Like Peace) #Many Iraqis believe that any Iraqis who agree with Americans are traitors.
So, you've never been to Iraq, nor been an ambassador of any kind, but you already know how they (Iraqis) think?
You have either one heck of a phone bill, or have talked to many, many Iraqui hams- let's have a gander at that QSL collection, shall we?
k9kxq
06-20-2006, 12:27 AM
Get your rose colored glasses here 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington, D.C.
kxq
wa4brl
06-20-2006, 02:47 AM
Well I've never been to England
But I kinda like the Beatles
It's easy to make judgements based on the info one gets. Said judgements may be right or wrong -- all of us here know that.
It's easier still to flame someone over a statement with which you disagree. Why not offer your own point of view and support it with facts rather than attack someone elses. Which do you suppose to be the high road that will be more respected?
KC4HGH
06-20-2006, 01:42 PM
Well, Steve, I was just making an observation (if you're talking to me)...but I see SO many people pooh-poohing everything around them, just blowing off hot air & not making any sense. 'ILP's statements were contradictory, in my belief, so I was challenging him to redeem himself.
Yep, we all know news can be skewed any and every which way...opinions abound...and there's news from soldiers (NOT the media) in the field coming home to families where I live that contradicts what the liberals are screaming: that the Iraqi people are GLAD allied forces (mainly us, U.S.) are there to give them a decent quality of life, that kids are able to go to school for the first time in years, that women can be in public without being beaten (by someone other than their husband- but THAT'S another matter in itself). I tend to trust the people who HAVE "been there" as opposed to that of folks who spout off under emotion.
My post was not intended to flame or attack, but an attempt to bring to light the absurdity of the statement.
w0aew
06-20-2006, 04:51 PM
Quote[/b] (KC4HGH @ June 20 2006,06:42)]I tend to trust the people who HAVE "been there" as opposed to that of folks who spout off under emotion.
Do you? (http://www.ivaw.net/)
KA8DKT
06-20-2006, 05:09 PM
Quote[/b] (KC4HGH @ June 20 2006,09:42)].
Yep, we all know news can be skewed any and every which way...opinions abound...and there's news from soldiers (NOT the media) in the field coming home to families where I live that contradicts what the liberals are screaming: that the Iraqi people are GLAD allied forces (mainly us, U.S.) are there to give them a decent quality of life, that kids are able to go to school for the first time in years, that women can be in public without being beaten (by someone other than their husband- but THAT'S another matter in itself). #I tend to trust the people who HAVE "been there" as opposed to that of folks who spout off under emotion.
Yeah, they are thanking us for the electricity that they get for almost 6 hours a day now. They used to get it only 24 hours a day. We have saved them from the evil electricity. Same for schools which are open for the few now, instead of the hated many then, and fresh water, safe highways, and on and on.
I bet they are GLAD....
-g
KC4HGH
06-20-2006, 05:41 PM
Quote[/b] (WA5OES @ June 20 2006,09:51)]Quote[/b] (KC4HGH @ June 20 2006,06:42)]I tend to trust the people who HAVE "been there" as opposed to that of folks who spout off under emotion.
Do you? (http://www.ivaw.net/)
I'm not saying there aren't some nut cases that come out of war- this has been happening ever since war happened! Rather, talk face-to-face with your neighbor's son or daughter who WAS there and listen to the accounts of how every-day civilians thanked them for their help. It'll give you something to think about.
Do it- I challenge you....
KC4HGH
06-20-2006, 05:43 PM
Quote[/b] (KA8DKT @ June 20 2006,10:09)]Quote[/b] (KC4HGH @ June 20 2006,09:42)].
Yep, we all know news can be skewed any and every which way...opinions abound...and there's news from soldiers (NOT the media) in the field coming home to families where I live that contradicts what the liberals are screaming: that the Iraqi people are GLAD allied forces (mainly us, U.S.) are there to give them a decent quality of life, that kids are able to go to school for the first time in years, that women can be in public without being beaten (by someone other than their husband- but THAT'S another matter in itself). #I tend to trust the people who HAVE "been there" as opposed to that of folks who spout off under emotion.
Yeah, they are thanking us for the electricity that they get for almost 6 hours a day now. #They used to get it only 24 hours a day. #We have saved them from the evil electricity. #Same for schools which are open for the few now, instead of the hated many then, and fresh water, safe highways, and on and on.
I bet they are GLAD....
-g
Again: have you been there? Is your source skewed news, or rather, face-to-face accounts? Please be truthful....
Quote[/b] ]-- Since April, the "demeanor" of guards in the Green Zone has changed, becoming more "militia-like," and some are now "taunting" embassy personnel or holding up their credentials and saying loudly that they work in the embassy: "Such information is a death sentence if overheard by the wrong people." For this reason, some have asked for press instead of embassy credentials.
Nothing like being welcomed with open arms.
Why, let's cut to the chase!
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
Quote[/b] (KC4HGH @ June 20 2006,10:41)]Quote[/b] (WA5OES @ June 20 2006,09:51)]Quote[/b] (KC4HGH @ June 20 2006,06:42)]I tend to trust the people who HAVE "been there" as opposed to that of folks who spout off under emotion.
Do you? (http://www.ivaw.net/)
I'm not saying there aren't some nut cases that come out of war- this has been happening ever since war happened! Rather, talk face-to-face with your neighbor's son or daughter who WAS there and listen to the accounts of how every-day civilians thanked them for their help. It'll give you something to think about.
Do it- I challenge you....
Actually I have talked extensively to a couple of men who served in the dangerous, dusty cities of Iraq, and they were very disheartened.
KC4HGH
06-21-2006, 05:30 PM
Quote[/b] (al2i @ June 20 2006,22:34)]Quote[/b] (KC4HGH @ June 20 2006,10:41)]Quote[/b] (WA5OES @ June 20 2006,09:51)]Quote[/b] (KC4HGH @ June 20 2006,06:42)]I tend to trust the people who HAVE "been there" as opposed to that of folks who spout off under emotion.
Do you? (http://www.ivaw.net/)
I'm not saying there aren't some nut cases that come out of war- this has been happening ever since war happened! #Rather, talk face-to-face with your neighbor's son or daughter who WAS there and listen to the accounts of how every-day civilians thanked them for their help. #It'll give you something to think about.
Do it- I challenge you....
Actually I have talked extensively to a couple of men who served in the dangerous, dusty cities of Iraq, and they were very disheartened.
...and likewise...plus, those who went into the Armed Services to get an education and wound up soldiers. I guess I've been able to talk to & get info from men who were positive about their experience(s), who felt they served (and continue to serve) well....
God bless 'em all....That's a job I'd not like to have- even after almost going in twice, myself....
Quote[/b] (wa4brl @ June 19 2006,13:47)]It's easier still to flame someone over a statement with which you disagree. #Why not offer your own point of view and support it with facts rather than attack someone elses. #Which do you suppose to be the high road that will be more respected?
Isn't this what ILP and 2nh do all the time to the White House, its staff, and other lawmakers with which they do not agree?
W8EFA
06-21-2006, 08:59 PM
Quote[/b] (KC4HGH @ June 19 2006,17:45)]Quote[/b] (W2ILP @ June 19 2006,14:21)]The question now should be...
Do you think keeping troops in Iraq is helping or hurting any plans that Iraqis might have to develop a stable government of any kind?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
I don't think so myself...but I was never in Iraq and I'm not an ambassador of good will or bad fear.
w2ilp (I Like Peace) #Many Iraqis believe that any Iraqis who agree with Americans are traitors.
So, you've never been to Iraq, nor been an ambassador of any kind, but you already know how they (Iraqis) think?
You have either one heck of a phone bill, or have talked to many, many Iraqui hams- let's have a gander at that QSL collection, shall we?
A series of several polls have been conducted to ascertain the position of the Iraqi public further on the insurgency and the coalition occupation. The polls consistently find the following:
Between 45% and 88% of Sunni Arabs consider armed attacks on U.S. forces legitimate and justified resistance.
The greatest support for the insurgency is in al-Anbar province.
The majority of Iraqis disapprove of the presence of coalition forces.
A majority of both Sunnis and Shi'ites want an end to the occupation as soon as possible, although Sunnis are opposed to the occupation by somewhat greater margins.
Polls conducted in June 2005 suggest even more anti-occupation sentiment; most alarming to U.S. policymakers is rising support for the insurgency. According to the Boston Globe (10 June 2005): "a recent internal poll conducted for the U.S.-led coalition found that nearly 45 percent of the population supported the insurgent attacks, making accurate intelligence difficult to obtain. Only 15 percent of those polled said they strongly supported the U.S.-led coalition."
A later 2005 poll by British intelligence said that 45% of Iraqis support attacks against coalition forces, rising to 65% in some areas, and that 82% are "strongly opposed" to the presence of foreign troops.
Demands for U.S. withdrawal have also been signed on by one third of Iraq's Parliament.
These results are consistent with a January 2006 poll that found an overall 47% approval for attacks on US-led forces. That figure climbed to 88% among Sunnis.
Attacks on Iraqi security forces and civilians, however, were approved of by only 7% and 1% of respondents respectively.
87% favored a U.S. withdrawal, but only 23% believe the U.S. would actually withdraw if asked. 80% believed the U.S. plans permanent bases in Iraq.
Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_insurgency)
ai4ep
06-21-2006, 10:03 PM
...and a lot of good posting THAT did...mine right here had the same audience and the same effect.
W2ILP
06-23-2006, 06:30 AM
Most American politicians that go to Iraq don't speak the language of the people. #Those who go there now are, for safety purposes, restricted to staying in the Green Zone which is highly guarded by US troops. #I dunno what they learn that they won't learn by reading newspapers and visiting web sites. #I highly recommend Amy Goodman's TV program "Democracy Now", where there are cobmbat views of Iraq and interviews of Iraqui soldiers and civilians as well as American soldiers who are or were in Iraq. # Unfortunately #"Democracy Now" may not be available on your cable or dish.
w2ilp (Iraq Lacks Peace)
KC4HGH
06-23-2006, 06:23 PM
I've tried to watch Amy Goodman...honestly...but I can't stand her!
So, let's pull everyone out everywhere, no holds barred, bring 'em back here to the good ol' USA and station 'em ALL on the borders & coasts. Defending the country & it's borders doesn't violate posse commitatus...and anyone not legally coming in, shipping in, etc., will be dealt with. Not only that, increase tarriffs on imported goods, ESPECIALLY on those goods made outside the country by U.S.-based companies, so maybe they'll bring industries back here. Put off the tree huggers, drill in the Gulf and Alaska, increase renewable-resource fuels and synthetic lubricants....Cuba's drilling mere miles off the Keys, but WE can't? Risky drilling in the Arctic, but not in the relatively calm ANWAR? Heck, the same tree huggers said the Alaska pipeline would kill wildlife, but they were WRONG- the wapati love the flora growing in the thawed permafrost....
Sounds kinda protectionist? If it works in Europe, Africa, Asia, Central & South America, do you think it'll work for us? Let the rest of the world degenerate into a new Rome & fizzle out- let's take care of our own. If militant Islamists, et. al. get near, wipe 'em out- you can't REASON with 'em!
So be it....