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Quote[/b] ]"It's absolutely indefensible, it's disgraceful. As far as I'm concerned the Department of Homeland Security and the administration have declared war on New York," Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.), chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee told the Associated Press. "It's a knife in the back to New York and I'm going to do everything I can to make them very sorry they made this decision."
If the terrorists don't do it first.
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w0aew
05-31-2006, 10:41 PM
The DHS always seemed like another one of those harebrained things cooked up by panicked politicians to throw tons of taxpayer money at so it looked like "something was being done."
Anyhow, it's expensive to defend this country and participate in a senselessly provoked civil war, too.
Priorities, priorities....
W2ILP
06-01-2006, 04:26 AM
Yeah...They always pick on New York City because the mayor is Jewish.
w2ilp (Ignoring Legitimate Priorities) is a crime. NY City has over 8 million people plus some who prefer not to be counted on. This leaves more possibility for inside job terrorism than in the three largest cities of Texas combined with the illegal immigrants and pirates of the Caribbean.
kc7mrq
06-01-2006, 05:33 PM
Ready to hear an even worse funding cut? Defense Security Service (DSS) is in the middle of a funding shortfall and can't even pay for background investigations for TOP SECRET clearances. All who need one are waiting in limbo until more money is released. DSS is the main DoD agency that conducts, manages, and adjudicates clearances for civilian contractors.
The idea that this administration is concerned with national security is a joke. Like OES says, they throw money at the problem and insist they are doing something. Well, there isn't much Clinton money left anymore, because there was not proper planning for the future. And Americans will die.
Quote[/b] (WA5OES @ May 31 2006,14:41)]The DHS always seemed like another one of those harebrained things cooked up by panicked politicians to throw tons of taxpayer money at so it looked like "something was being done."
Anyhow, it's expensive to defend this country and participate in a senselessly provoked civil war, too.
Priorities, priorities....
Even if you accept the premise that money needs to be thrown at this "threat", where's the money going?
Does "Department of Homeland Security" money NEED to go to states like Wyoming and Montana so they can buy new fire trucks? Does the money need to go to rural Nebraska or Kansas, which have an equally low probability of attack as Wyoming or Montana?
This whole DHS scare is nothing but a massive pork barrel project to divert money to places that don't need it.
Dave WX7B
Sonoma County, Ca
60 miles North of one of Bill O'Reilly's permitted Al Qaeda targets...
What have you got against Wyoming getting new fire trucks? #We were always greatful in SoCal when firefighters from Wyoming and other western states would help out during fire season. #If they have good gear, all the better for everyone.
Our two most deadly terrorist attacks took place in New York and Oklahoma. #Pretty much covers the whole spectrum when it comes to risk assesment. #More rural states aren't necessarily safer.
All that said, I agree that the DHS is a pork fest at best and I'm no fan.
It's not like the risk has gone away. Just goes to show you that once Bush wasn't worried about needing votes to be re-elected, he showed his true colors.
Quote[/b] ]The cutback comes nearly five years after the terrorist attack that killed 2,749 people at the World Trade Center, and a week after a Pakistani immigrant was convicted of conspiring to blow up the subway station at Herald Square, the site of Macy's flagship store, one of the world's most popular shopping destinations.
kd5rpo
06-02-2006, 12:05 AM
They say New York City has no national monuments or icons. I guess that Statue of Liberty thing has no relevance anymore. Oh I forgot, the French gave us that.
ki6dzu
06-02-2006, 02:51 AM
No matter how much money you spend they will never be able to watch ever place all the time. There are numerous places, rural, urban and everywhere in between that a terrorist could use to strike fear into people. Terrorism is not necessarily about body count. Hell, a whole bunch of small attacks in rural areas spread out would be pretty damn scary to me...
The point? The money is there just so we get a warm fuzzy...
Short list ( links ) of National Monuments and Icons.
Castle Clinton Nat'l Monument (http://www.nps.gov/cacl/)
Statue of Liberty Nat'l Monument (http://gorp.away.com/gorp/resource/us_nm/ny_liber.htm)
Governors Island Nat'l Monument (http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/02/20030207-4.html)
Ellis Island Nat'l Monument (http://www.nyc-architecture.com/LM/LM001-ELLISISLAND.htm)
African Burial Ground (http://www.gsa.gov/Portal/gsa/ep/contentView.do?pageTypeId=8199&channelId=-13260&P=XAE&contentId=20517&contentType=GSA_BASIC)
Grant's Tomb (http://www.nps.gov/gegr/)
Fort Wadsworth (http://www.lighthousemuseum.org/nylights/ftw.htm)
Fort Hamilton (http://www.harbordefensemuseum.com/)
The Battle of Brooklyn (http://darter.ocps.net/classroom/revolution/brooklyn.htm) (a/k/a Battle of Long Island)
Ft Greene Memorial (http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=8j7d07gfqufr7?dsid=2222&dekey=Prison+Ship+Martyrs%27+Monument&sbid=lc12a&linktext=Prison%20Ship%20Martyrs'%0AMonument)
Washington Square (http://nymag.com/listings/attraction/washington_square_park/)
Unisphere (http://queens.about.com/cs/attractions/p/Unisphere.htm)
Coney Island (http://www.coneyisland.com/)
Chrysler Bldg (http://www.amybphotography.com/chrysler3.htm)
Empire State Bldg (http://www.esbnyc.com/index2.cfm?CFID=17205230&CFTOKEN=14553370)
Hells Gate Bridge (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://bridgepros.com/projects/SydneyHarbour/HarbourBridge.JPG&imgrefurl=http://bridgepros.com/projects/Steel_Arch_bridge_projects.htm&h=152&w=260&sz=6&tbnid=3AVkJ7SSYnBtwM:&tbnh=62&tbnw=107&hl=en&start=19&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dnew%2Byork%2Bbridges%26svnum%3D50%26h l%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG)
KC9IUX
06-02-2006, 03:50 AM
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kf6rdn
06-02-2006, 03:54 AM
Quote[/b] (ki6dzu @ June 01 2006,18:51)]Hell, a whole bunch of small attacks in rural areas spread out would be pretty damn scary to me...
I've thought that as well.
Easier to plan, no training required to fill a bottle with gas and chuck it somewhere..
Yep, ya done convinced me. #Scary:
A reported plot by al-Qaida terrorists to kill thousands of New Yorkers by spreading cyanide gas in the subway underscores the folly of a Homeland Security Department cutback of funds for major cities, a Democratic lawmaker said Sunday.
linky (http://localnewsleader.com/jackson/stories/index.php?action=fullnews&id=196062)
Quote[/b] (n2nh @ June 18 2006,17:37)]A reported plot by al-Qaida terrorists to kill thousands of New Yorkers by spreading cyanide gas in the subway underscores the folly of a Homeland Security Department cutback of funds for major cities, a Democratic lawmaker said Sunday.
linky (http://localnewsleader.com/jackson/stories/index.php?action=fullnews&id=196062)
Yeah, mass transit in this country has no security at all. The only thing I hear is the request that citizens call 911 if they see something suspicious. (I guess like a man dressed in a cow suit or something).
This is scary that the whole subway thing boils down to Osama calling off the attack. Mostly because he was wanting a better strike on the US? Or is it just needed closer to the mid terms?
W2ILP
06-19-2006, 04:16 PM
George W. Bush is a very brave man. #He wants to give us that impression by going to the Green Zone in Iraq.
I believe that the only people who can really terrorize him are the 47% of Americans who think that he is a liar.
w2ilp (Impeach Lying President)
You people really need to calm down.
What exactly has NY done with the $500M it has received in federal urban anti-terrorism funds since 9/11?
Quote[/b] ]Chertoff defended the cut on Thursday, while acknowledging that New York City was still at the top of the U.S. threat list. He said the nearly $125 million in grants for New York were in line with the average amounts the city has gotten in the years since Sept. 11. He added that New York has gotten more than $500 million in all, and that is more than twice the total received by the next-highest-risk city, Los Angeles.
Linkage (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/01/AR2006060101214.html)
All of you New Yorkers need to heap some hate on your neighbors in New Jersey, Chicago which got a sizable increase, and anybody you know in LA/Long Beach. They ALL got increases.
W2ILP
06-19-2006, 07:18 PM
AC0H
New York has done a lot to prevent terror attacks against its city. #The Empire State building is still standing tall. #NY needs more federal aid than the boon docks, which don't present such targets.
Washington, DC gets more than NY or LA but they don't call it terrorism prevention...They just hide it in capitol security and government payrolls.
w2ilp (I Like Peace)
Quote[/b] (AC0H @ June 19 2006,13:02)]You people really need to calm down.
What exactly has NY done with the $500M it has received in federal urban anti-terrorism funds since 9/11?
Quote[/b] ]Chertoff defended the cut on Thursday, while acknowledging that New York City was still at the top of the U.S. threat list. He said the nearly $125 million in grants for New York were in line with the average amounts the city has gotten in the years since Sept. 11. He added that New York has gotten more than $500 million in all, and that is more than twice the total received by the next-highest-risk city, Los Angeles.
Linkage (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/01/AR2006060101214.html)
All of you New Yorkers need to heap some hate on your neighbors in New Jersey, Chicago which got a sizable increase, and anybody you know in LA/Long Beach. They ALL got increases.
Let's see, exactly? I'm not privvy to that kind of information. That would be aiding and abetting the terrorists wouldn't it ZedAitch? Chertoff, as many in the Bush administration, is a LIAR. He's the one that said there were going to be cuts and the $500 M is a drop in the bucket compared to the amount spent here for security and equipment. We were promised $20 Billion by Bush as he stood on the rubble and bodies of the victims of our attack. We're still waiting.
ZED-AITCH
I can only hope that you can walk a mile in our shoes. In my case I hope you actually walk a mile in mine. I hope that you can have a terrorist attack in your community. I hope that it would make you understand how it feels to see the tallest building full of people working at their jobs, people with wives or husbands, children, parents trying to earn a living working 9 to 5. Watching them as their workplace gets destroyed by two aircraft full of other people just trying to get from point a to point b. Watching as the they get incinerated alive. Watching as they jump a 1000 feet to their death to escape the heat. Watching as the buildings become rubble before your eyes crushing the life out of them as they fall.
I only hope you can walk the final mile and feel how it is to lose a loved one and watch them die as I have because of the aftermath of this attack. Then have someone politicize it. Have them do so every day for years to come and question every move your community makes to protect itself. Demand to know what you have to justify the protection that you need from afar and feign expertise at this matter while you are still dealing with the loss of someone you fought so hard to keep alive for over a decade. I can still see and smell her blood on my hands from all the times I dressed her wounds. I can still hear her moans from the pain she could not escape.
To politicize a matter of life and death to me is to trivialize the life of someone I loved and cared for. Not a newspaper story, not a statistic, not a picture from 1000 miles away. A flesh and blood person who meant so much to me I took over a decade to take care of them 24/7.
I as many here am completely amazed by the shamelessness of this administration. This attack was a direct result of a violation of our airspace. This is a direct responsibility of the Air Force. Air Force pilots who are normally on standby for this kind of incursion were ORDERED to stand down less than 24 hours before this attack. Pearl Harbor was an unpreventable tragedy. This was entirely preventable. We were promised $20 Billion as I said before. We got less than 1/10th of that. The widows and orphans of this were given monies. A month after the 2004 election, they were told it all had to be returned. Then that clueless ---- Coulter attacks them in her book and on national TV. Nothing like victimizing the city and it's victims for the lapse of national security that was precipitated by orders to let it happen.
It must be easy getting all that pork in Des Moine and sniping at people who are victims of a policy that says they are expendable. Do you pull the wings off of flies in your spare time?
Quote[/b] ]It must be easy getting all that pork in Des Moine and sniping at people who are victims of a policy that says they are expendable. Do you pull the wings off of flies in your spare time?
It's Des Moines.
As far as I know we get very little from DHS. Maybe a few equipment upgrades for the FD and the cops along with the hospitals. Nothing near the $500,000,000 given to NY city which has now, apparently, turned into some boondoggle entitlement in perpetuity.
Quote[/b] (AC0H @ June 19 2006,18:49)]Quote[/b] ]It must be easy getting all that pork in Des Moine and sniping at people who are victims of a policy that says they are expendable. Do you pull the wings off of flies in your spare time?
It's Des Moines.
As far as I know we get very little from DHS. Maybe a few equipment upgrades for the FD and the cops along with the hospitals. Nothing near the $500,000,000 given to NY city which has now, apparently, turned into some boondoggle entitlement in perpetuity.
You mean that you don't know exactly how much and how it's spent. Yet that's exactly what you expected from me? <how pathetic>
Maybe you can arrange to have 2,700 + of your family, neighbors and friends killed so that you can get your own grant since you're logic is so twisted it's obvious that you can't see beyond your own fence.
What a sad caricature of human beings neo-cons are. And In the name of Christ they cast aspersions on Christians who disagree with them. No wonder there are so many atheists. I don't blame them. We'll all have box seats when judgement day comes. I can't wait to see the fallout. God help you.
A Cronic Zero Head is hardly worth dealing with. His posts are so hate filled that he has to rearrange his position to maximize his hateful blows. Is he for national defense? Yes until it's time to spend money, then the country isn't worth saving. He is having a hard time seeing how this money will be taken by Halliburton.
This guy has no morals and no ethics. He is really lost.
ai4ep
06-20-2006, 04:42 AM
...and some folks say that I say nothing important in MY posts.
Read the ones above mine and see that I have competition.....oops.
ka0gkt
06-20-2006, 06:04 AM
Omaha, NE got hit by a really big tornado in the spring of '74, people there still dive for their basements every time they hear the siren and there is a chance of rain in the forecast. They shouldn't be laughed-at for their caution
NY,NY (The city so nice they named it twice) suffered a terrible attack from terrorists, when it comes to knee-jerk reactions when it comes to anything anti-terror, they most certainly have the right to kick-away, and nobody should criticize them for their reaction either.
That said, While it is true that there are terrorist targets in NewYork City, New York has a major tax base to do a little self help. Omaha, on the other hand has Stratcom Headquarters, which is considered a major target, by-the-way, and a metropolitan population of only around half-a-million.
Tucson, AZ has several targets; Raytheon where they build guided missles, Davis Monthan AFB and several other defense contractors, but a population of under a million; They also have a poorly defended border 90-miles south where the border patrol captures OTM (Other Than Mexican) illegal imigrants on a regular basis, if not weekly.
Yes, money should go to New York, but it should also go to San Diego, L.A., Seattle, Portland, Portsmouth, Chicago, Omaha, Denver Des Moines and Des Plaines, Duluth, Rapid City, Mitchell (Gotta protect the Corn Palace http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif ), New Orleans, Houston, Little Rock and Harrisburg.
New York is supposed to be "The Greatest City on the Earth", or so Letterman's announcer intones every weeknight, they have the population and tax base to do for themselves, how about a penny increase in the city sales tax? The federal government has an obligation to ALL of the United States, The population of the five boroughs need to do a little for themselves and not expect taxpayers from across-the-country to foot the entire bill for counterterrorism in the Big Apple, there really are other BIG targets out there and a whole lot of Americans West of the Jersey Shore.
73 DE KAØGKT/7
--Steve
Quote[/b] (ka0gkt @ June 20 2006,02:04)]Omaha, NE got hit by a really big tornado in the spring of '74, people there still dive for their basements every time they hear the siren and there is a chance of rain in the forecast. They shouldn't be laughed-at for their caution
NY,NY (The city so nice they named it twice) suffered a terrible attack from terrorists, when it comes to knee-jerk reactions when it comes to anything anti-terror, they most certainly have the right to kick-away, and nobody should criticize them for their reaction either.
That said, While it is true that there are terrorist targets in NewYork City, New York has a major tax base to do a little self help. Omaha, on the other hand has Stratcom Headquarters, which is considered a major target, by-the-way, and a metropolitan population of only around half-a-million.
Tucson, AZ has several targets; Raytheon where they build guided missles, Davis Monthan AFB and several other defense contractors, but a population of under a million; They also have a poorly defended border 90-miles south where the border patrol captures OTM (Other Than Mexican) illegal imigrants on a regular basis, if not weekly.
Yes, money should go to New York, but it should also go to San Diego, L.A., Seattle, Portland, Portsmouth, Chicago, Omaha, Denver Des Moines and Des Plaines, Duluth, Rapid City, Mitchell (Gotta protect the Corn Palace http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif ), New Orleans, Houston, Little Rock and Harrisburg.
New York is supposed to be "The Greatest City on the Earth", or so Letterman's announcer intones every weeknight, they have the population and tax base to do for themselves, how about a penny increase in the city sales tax? The federal government has an obligation to ALL of the United States, The population of the five boroughs need to do a little for themselves and not expect taxpayers from across-the-country to foot the entire bill for counterterrorism in the Big Apple, there really are other BIG targets out there and a whole lot of Americans West of the Jersey Shore.
73 DE KAØGKT/7
--Steve
Our Republican mayor has already increased the tax. Another penny would bring it to nearly 10%. Here is our present budget - all monies are accounted for to keep the city running and the infrastructure maintained. It's pretty big - so give it time to load.
* LINK * (http://www.nyc.gov/html/omb/pdf/cb7_05.pdf)
If we were to raise the tax, I suppose we could also make our own National Guard, buy our own planes and make our own Air Force and buy our own ships and make our own Navy. Then we could secede, since we are no longer considered to be as much of needing protection from a proven threat as parts of the country that haven't been attacked or threatened with an attack. That would sure solve the problems of raising revenues pretty quick.
Quote[/b] ]You mean that you don't know exactly how much and how it's spent. #Yet that's exactly what you expected from me?
Don't you think somebody should be keeping track of how $500,000,000 has been spent over the last 4 years?
Quote[/b] ]A Cronic Zero Head is hardly worth dealing with. #His posts are so hate filled that he has to rearrange his position to maximize his hateful blows. #Is he for national defense? #Yes until it's time to spend money, then the country isn't worth saving. #He is having a hard time seeing how this money will be taken by Halliburton. #
This guy has no morals and no ethics. #He is really lost.
Re-read my posts on this topic.
Show me one single personal attack on anybody on this forum. I was making a legitimate point. $500M is a lot of money that apparently we, the taxpayers, have no right to question how it's been spent because it's NY. How dare we.
Typical n9xr post here on QRZ. Can't focus on the topic at hand (I think he's off his meds again) and then personally dumps on people with his ridiculous "morals and ethics" crap.
Nice play my call by the way. I doubt seriously you'd have the cajones to try it to my face. Maybe we ought to find out.
$9 billion unaccounted for (http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/01/30/iraq.audit/)
Another story (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5763483/)
Whatever happened to these stories? (http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2004-10-05-iraqi-oil_x.htm)
I realize $9 B is a drop in the bucket and pale to the $500,000,000 you are bellyaching about, http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif but every billion helps. Seems no one cares if the Dubya loses a billion here, or a billion there, but to help another American city out is painful and unpatriotic.
Keep it up Kevin. The terrorists have got you won over.
ka0gkt
06-21-2006, 04:40 AM
Quote[/b] (n2nh @ June 20 2006,02:01)]Another penny would bring it to nearly 10%. #
Hmm...10% sales tax
As of July of 2004, The highest rate of sales tax in Alabama (city, county and state combined) was 11%
In Arizona was 10.1%
In Arkansas was 11.5%
In Louisianna, was 10.25%
In Oklahoma was 10.5%
To make this a fair comparisson, at that date it was 8.75% in the state of New York.
In Alabama and Arkansas, sales tax applies to food, in Louisianna, the local portion of the sales tax can apply to food; in Alaska, there was no state sales tax, however cities and boroughs may have a 1-6% tax and food is taxable.
The lowest sales taxes in the Eastern U.S as of July of 2004 were in Maine, Maryland and Massachusetts; all have a 5% state tax and local governments may not levy a sales tax; Food is exempt. Virginia also had a maximum sales tax of 5%, however food was taxed.
The lowest sales tax in all 50 states, as of July,'04 is (drum roll) Hawaii with a state tax of 4%. Hawaii does tax food.
So, a 10% sales tax wouldn't even put the Big
Apple at the top of the list when it comes to sales taxes.
73 DE KAØGKT/7
--Steve
Quote[/b] (AC0H @ June 20 2006,07:57)]Quote[/b] ]You mean that you don't know exactly how much and how it's spent. Yet that's exactly what you expected from me?
Don't you think somebody should be keeping track of how $500,000,000 has been spent over the last 4 years?
Quote[/b] ]A Cronic Zero Head is hardly worth dealing with. His posts are so hate filled that he has to rearrange his position to maximize his hateful blows. Is he for national defense? Yes until it's time to spend money, then the country isn't worth saving. He is having a hard time seeing how this money will be taken by Halliburton.
This guy has no morals and no ethics. He is really lost.
Re-read my posts on this topic.
Show me one single personal attack on anybody on this forum. I was making a legitimate point. $500M is a lot of money that apparently we, the taxpayers, have no right to question how it's been spent because it's NY. How dare we.
Typical n9xr post here on QRZ. Can't focus on the topic at hand (I think he's off his meds again) and then personally dumps on people with his ridiculous "morals and ethics" crap.
Nice play my call by the way. I doubt seriously you'd have the cajones to try it to my face. Maybe we ought to find out.
ZED-AITCH
Sounds like a threat of physical harm that you're making there. Maybe you should just step away from the keyboard there before you make a remark that you'll regret.
I can only hope that you can lose a loved one the way I did in a manner totally like 9/11, since that is the only way you'll understand how it feels. You obviously have no empathy and I wouldn't want to be in any war with you at my side. You are as soft on terrorism as is monkey boy.
As far as a $1/2 Million - I'm certain that your state budget is at least that much. You can bore me with the details. Do I look like the comptroller of the City? The C of NY Budget is in the link that I posted earlier. You figure it out Einstein.
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Quote[/b] (ka0gkt @ June 21 2006,00:40)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ June 20 2006,02:01)]Another penny would bring it to nearly 10%.
Hmm...10% sales tax
As of July of 2004, The highest rate of sales tax in Alabama (city, county and state combined) was 11%
In Arizona was 10.1%
In Arkansas was 11.5%
In Louisianna, was 10.25%
In Oklahoma was 10.5%
To make this a fair comparisson, at that date it was 8.75% in the state of New York.
In Alabama and Arkansas, sales tax applies to food, in Louisianna, the local portion of the sales tax can apply to food; in Alaska, there was no state sales tax, however cities and boroughs may have a 1-6% tax and food is taxable.
The lowest sales taxes in the Eastern U.S as of July of 2004 were in Maine, Maryland and Massachusetts; all have a 5% state tax and local governments may not levy a sales tax; Food is exempt. Virginia also had a maximum sales tax of 5%, however food was taxed.
The lowest sales tax in all 50 states, as of July,'04 is (drum roll) Hawaii with a state tax of 4%. Hawaii does tax food.
So, a 10% sales tax wouldn't even put the Big
Apple at the top of the list when it comes to sales taxes.
73 DE KAØGKT/7
--Steve
While were talking about taxes and revenues, let's look at all taxes. Sales tax is just the tip of the iceberg here.
ARTICLE: N.Y.C. is capital of taxes
State & local levies here highest in U.S.
Quote[/b] ] In the city, for instance, local income taxes add as much as 4.45% to the state's already high 7.7% income tax rate - combining to make the highest income tax rate in the nation by far.
As for Republicans that don't raise taxes:
Quote[/b] ]Mayor Bloomberg, who last year pushed through increases in the city's income, property and sales taxes, yesterday reiterated his pledge to try to lower taxes when the city's economy revives.
As he has in the past, he also took issue with the state's practice of passing along 25% of all Medicaid costs to local counties - unlike all other states, which split the bill 50%-50% with the federal government.
"That's a $4 billion cost to New York City, and it's going up, not down," Bloomberg told reporters.
Passed down (as a hidden tax) by the way, by our Republican Governor Pataki.
All I know is that I've never paid less than $400 State and Local combined and often much higher (as has the YL).
* LINK * (http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/135807p-120813c.html)
k0ews
06-21-2006, 12:40 PM
Quote[/b] (n2nh @ June 20 2006,23:18)]Quote[/b] (ka0gkt @ June 21 2006,00:40)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ June 20 2006,02:01)]Another penny would bring it to nearly 10%.
Hmm...10% sales tax
As of July of 2004, The highest rate of sales tax in Alabama (city, county and state combined) was 11%
In Arizona was 10.1%
In Arkansas was 11.5%
In Louisianna, was 10.25%
In Oklahoma was 10.5%
To make this a fair comparisson, at that date it was 8.75% in the state of New York.
In Alabama and Arkansas, sales tax applies to food, in Louisianna, the local portion of the sales tax can apply to food; in Alaska, there was no state sales tax, however cities and boroughs may have a 1-6% tax and food is taxable.
The lowest sales taxes in the Eastern U.S as of July of 2004 were in Maine, Maryland and Massachusetts; all have a 5% state tax and local governments may not levy a sales tax; Food is exempt. Virginia also had a maximum sales tax of 5%, however food was taxed.
The lowest sales tax in all 50 states, as of July,'04 is (drum roll) Hawaii with a state tax of 4%. Hawaii does tax food.
So, a 10% sales tax wouldn't even put the Big
Apple at the top of the list when it comes to sales taxes.
73 DE KAØGKT/7
--Steve
While were talking about taxes and revenues, let's look at all taxes. Sales tax is just the tip of the iceberg here.
ARTICLE: N.Y.C. is capital of taxes
State & local levies here highest in U.S.
Quote[/b] ] In the city, for instance, local income taxes add as much as 4.45% to the state's already high 7.7% income tax rate - combining to make the highest income tax rate in the nation by far.
As for Republicans that don't raise taxes:
Quote[/b] ]Mayor Bloomberg, who last year pushed through increases in the city's income, property and sales taxes, yesterday reiterated his pledge to try to lower taxes when the city's economy revives.
As he has in the past, he also took issue with the state's practice of passing along 25% of all Medicaid costs to local counties - unlike all other states, which split the bill 50%-50% with the federal government.
"That's a $4 billion cost to New York City, and it's going up, not down," Bloomberg told reporters.
Passed down (as a hidden tax) by the way, by our Republican Governor Pataki.
All I know is that I've never paid less than $400 State and Local combined and often much higher (as has the YL).
* LINK * (http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/135807p-120813c.html)
First you bitch because they don't spend enough. You then call AC0H on the carpet for asking a legitimate question. You then bitch because your taxes are too high.
I think you have a lot of misplaced anger. AC0H, while opinionated, has done nothing to attack you in this forum, nor the memory of your wife. While you may not agree with him, that gives you no right to infer that he is unsympathetic, uncaring, or anything else. How do you know what he feels, or what he's been through? Does that mean that everyone who DIDN'T go through the 911 attacks is uncaring or unsympathetic? Judging from the millions that your fellow Americans donated, I'd say that the evidence is quite the contrary. N9XR implied that his post is hate-filled. I see no evidence of that either. He asked a question. Since you can't seem to find the answer you attack AC0H. You wish on him what you have gone through yourself. Again, misplaced anger. AC0H sure didn't fly those planes into the twin towers or the Pentagon. Who SHOULD you be angry with? I happen to know AC0H pretty well, and know for a fact that he is neither unsympathetic, nor uncaring. I also know him well enough to know he's had his share of personal loss. He just doesn't happen to share it with the world and project his anger onto others.
I'm sorry for your loss, but I really think that your anger at AC0H is misguided.
ai4ep
06-21-2006, 12:47 PM
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I would bet if the mayor of New Orleans asked for more money, that he would get it. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
Quote[/b] (n2nh @ June 20 2006,16:18)]While were talking about taxes and revenues, let's look at all taxes. Sales tax is just the tip of the iceberg here.
ARTICLE: N.Y.C. is capital of taxes
State & local levies here highest in U.S.
Quote[/b] ] In the city, for instance, local income taxes add as much as 4.45% to the state's already high 7.7% income tax rate - combining to make the highest income tax rate in the nation by far.
As for Republicans that don't raise taxes:
Quote[/b] ]Mayor Bloomberg, who last year pushed through increases in the city's income, property and sales taxes, yesterday reiterated his pledge to try to lower taxes when the city's economy revives.
As he has in the past, he also took issue with the state's practice of passing along 25% of all Medicaid costs to local counties - unlike all other states, which split the bill 50%-50% with the federal government.
"That's a $4 billion cost to New York City, and it's going up, not down," Bloomberg told reporters.
Passed down (as a hidden tax) by the way, by our Republican Governor Pataki.
All I know is that I've never paid less than $400 State and Local combined and often much higher (as has the YL).
* LINK * (http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/135807p-120813c.html)
NH. People don't want to see the "big picture". We are little people looking for the little picture. Some people's motto is "The more out of focus we can make it, the better our arguement."
States and municipalities run on tax dollars. Duh. Where do they get those tax dollars? Well, if you live in New york and are unemployed, your taxes will apparently be pretty low. Live under a bridge somewhere and save big on property taxes. Stop buying items, and save on sales tax. Before you know it, you're tax free.
Problem solved.
Oh, and NH, I don't think that Zilch Head wants to mess with this guy who once lived in Texas! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif Moderators don't care if I get physically thretened on here all the time. It is really not a problem. Kevin asked me to use phonetics for his call when referring to him, and now he is upset when I do.
ka6gjn
06-21-2006, 01:56 PM
As I recall, New York got a huge bolus of additional funds last year because they claimed that they had been underfunded for several previous years. They claimed that the formulas had been improperly applied. I also recall that it was determined that much of the federal money had been used not in accordance with the spending requirements -- paying extra salaries rather than investing in infrastructure. Nevertheless, they got the money they claimed they were owed.
Now this year's budget has the properly - computed amount. But the huge brick of extra cash that was a payment over and above what they were entitled to last year is, of course, not there. In short, there has been no spending cut at all.
If somebody has Lexis-Nexis they may want to check that out.
What does a half billion buy you in New York? For one year, it will give each fireman and each policeman $171 dollars a week. Stretch that out to the 5 years the city received the money, and it is like less than $35 dollars a week.
Didn't need Lexis-Nexis. The $500,000,000 is only considered a bump in the full costs in controlling terrorism.
The article that Zlich Aitch has on there quotes a man on the street.
Quote[/b] ]One out-of-towner visiting the Empire State Building on Thursday had no problem with the federal cutbacks.
"At some point, you have to stop pouring in money," said George Kent, 77, of Reno, Nev. "I think the national treasury needs the money."
I had to laugh at this one. There was a thread a while back on here blasting polls and the way that they slant the outcome. No mention here of the cost of human life in the fight of terrorism, but the guy who visits NYC points out that the miniscule pocket change going to NYC for defence is best left in the treasury without commenting on the ~$1 B a day we are quagmired in Iraq with.
It's okay to starve the survivor police officers and fire officials of income and jobs, but Dubya gets a blank check. No accounting necessary for a dime.
Quote[/b] ]What does a half billion buy you in New York? #For one year, it will give each fireman and each policeman $171 dollars a week. #Stretch that out to the 5 years the city received the money, and it is like less than $35 dollars a week.
Is that money going for salaries to firemen and police?
I thought the federal money was to purchase "infrastructure", compatible radio systems so agencies can inter-communicate, HAZMAT equipment for hospitals, firemen, police, computer systems etc....Sooner or later the federal anti-terrorism cash flow has to stop for everybody.
Quote[/b] (k0ews @ June 21 2006,08:40)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ June 20 2006,23:18)]Quote[/b] (ka0gkt @ June 21 2006,00:40)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ June 20 2006,02:01)]Another penny would bring it to nearly 10%.
Hmm...10% sales tax
As of July of 2004, The highest rate of sales tax in Alabama (city, county and state combined) was 11%
In Arizona was 10.1%
In Arkansas was 11.5%
In Louisianna, was 10.25%
In Oklahoma was 10.5%
To make this a fair comparisson, at that date it was 8.75% in the state of New York.
In Alabama and Arkansas, sales tax applies to food, in Louisianna, the local portion of the sales tax can apply to food; in Alaska, there was no state sales tax, however cities and boroughs may have a 1-6% tax and food is taxable.
The lowest sales taxes in the Eastern U.S as of July of 2004 were in Maine, Maryland and Massachusetts; all have a 5% state tax and local governments may not levy a sales tax; Food is exempt. Virginia also had a maximum sales tax of 5%, however food was taxed.
The lowest sales tax in all 50 states, as of July,'04 is (drum roll) Hawaii with a state tax of 4%. Hawaii does tax food.
So, a 10% sales tax wouldn't even put the Big
Apple at the top of the list when it comes to sales taxes.
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--Steve
While were talking about taxes and revenues, let's look at all taxes. Sales tax is just the tip of the iceberg here.
ARTICLE: N.Y.C. is capital of taxes
State & local levies here highest in U.S.
Quote[/b] ] In the city, for instance, local income taxes add as much as 4.45% to the state's already high 7.7% income tax rate - combining to make the highest income tax rate in the nation by far.
As for Republicans that don't raise taxes:
Quote[/b] ]Mayor Bloomberg, who last year pushed through increases in the city's income, property and sales taxes, yesterday reiterated his pledge to try to lower taxes when the city's economy revives.
As he has in the past, he also took issue with the state's practice of passing along 25% of all Medicaid costs to local counties - unlike all other states, which split the bill 50%-50% with the federal government.
"That's a $4 billion cost to New York City, and it's going up, not down," Bloomberg told reporters.
Passed down (as a hidden tax) by the way, by our Republican Governor Pataki.
All I know is that I've never paid less than $400 State and Local combined and often much higher (as has the YL).
* LINK * (http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/135807p-120813c.html)
First you bitch because they don't spend enough. You then call AC0H on the carpet for asking a legitimate question. You then bitch because your taxes are too high.
I think you have a lot of misplaced anger. AC0H, while opinionated, has done nothing to attack you in this forum, nor the memory of your wife. While you may not agree with him, that gives you no right to infer that he is unsympathetic, uncaring, or anything else. How do you know what he feels, or what he's been through? Does that mean that everyone who DIDN'T go through the 911 attacks is uncaring or unsympathetic? Judging from the millions that your fellow Americans donated, I'd say that the evidence is quite the contrary. N9XR implied that his post is hate-filled. I see no evidence of that either. He asked a question. Since you can't seem to find the answer you attack AC0H. You wish on him what you have gone through yourself. Again, misplaced anger. AC0H sure didn't fly those planes into the twin towers or the Pentagon. Who SHOULD you be angry with? I happen to know AC0H pretty well, and know for a fact that he is neither unsympathetic, nor uncaring. I also know him well enough to know he's had his share of personal loss. He just doesn't happen to share it with the world and project his anger onto others.
I'm sorry for your loss, but I really think that your anger at AC0H is misguided.
To decrease spending for anti-terrorist purposes is to encourage them to try again. I am still reeling from the loss of someone close and dear to me. To think that we are more concerned about using this fund as a pork barrel project is a travesty to all who died doing nothing more than their daily life. You can NOT understand what it is like living here. Your bags are checked on the subway, ID in most buildings and all Government buildings. If you leave something on the train or bus, you're subject to arrest for creating a 'terrorist atmosphere', if you sneeze, you'll be watched for blocks by undercover police, unmarked cars with flashing lights racing through congested streets pulling over white vans one day, green japanese cars another. Helicopters with searchlights flying at rooftop level at 3 AM for 1 or 2 hours a night.
YET, we are all willing to endure this to prevent another attack because we have all lost somebody we were related to or knew.
I am not complaining about taxes, I am pointing out that even though we have a Republican government, we are the most taxed area in the country. Your boy is hate filled. He can not see how a single human life is worth something unless he is directly affected. I only wish he could walk a mile in my shoes as I mentioned earlier - because the only way he will know how it feels is if it affects him directly. I can not believe that anybody who cares would post so callously, disregarding the cost in human life that we've had here, how it affects this city. I wanted no more than to go back to a normal life when my time for being a caretaker was over. That is not an option - what's normal when someone takes a plane full of people and flies it into a building full of people? You would think it's an "entitlement" the way he's writing. Well, then, if that's the way you or anyone else feels, get your own "entitlement" the way we did - by losing 2700+ of your family, friends and neighbors. Maybe, just maybe, I'm a brain surgeon, but that's WHY we need the money that they're cutting. Then to have somebody from afar who has absolutely no feeling for his fellow man's life tell you that you have a lot of nerve to need money to protect yourself, well that's disgusting and dispicable. Your post might be your opinion but it is also way out of line. You guys are reading much to much from Coulter. I hear she's going to a nice hot place in the end. I can't imagine why anybody would want to join her. What do I expect from neo-cons - victimizing the victims.
AC0H knows what he wrote, and if he feels he was wronged I'm certain I would've heard about it by now. Maybe it's your anger that's misplaced.
Maybe this is just an exercise in politics to you.
Maybe this is just a game to you.
It isn't to me. It's why I lost a close and dear loved one due to the negligence of people we vote for and are suppose to trust. They're letting us down again. I don't want anyone else to have to lose what I've lost.
k0ews
06-22-2006, 02:14 AM
Your post is very moving. No, I cannot possibly know what it feels like to live there. No, I cannot possibly know what it is like to walk a mile in your shoes.
That doesn't change the fact that you are wrong.
By the way, I'm not a neo-con, but I am related to AC0H. No, I don't agree with him all of the time either, but I don't attack his character when I disagree. You seem to have a personal beef with anyone who doesn't understand your plight. For the record, myself and 0H do know about loss. 10 days ago, we buried our cousin who died on his 2nd tour in Iraq. The only reason I bring it up is because you have mistakenly ASSumed that we know nothing of loss.
I realize that none of this will mean anything to you, nor change your mind, but I'm done discussing it with you. You are clearly bitter and angry, and I certainly do hope that you find some peace in your life sometime.
Honestly, I don't know how anyone can turn a simple difference of opinion into something so hateful. I think I'll take a break from this place for a while. I really do wish you well.
Quote[/b] (k0ews @ June 21 2006,22:14)]Your post is very moving. No, I cannot possibly know what it feels like to live there. No, I cannot possibly know what it is like to walk a mile in your shoes.
That doesn't change the fact that you are wrong.
By the way, I'm not a neo-con, but I am related to AC0H. No, I don't agree with him all of the time either, but I don't attack his character when I disagree. You seem to have a personal beef with anyone who doesn't understand your plight. For the record, myself and 0H do know about loss. 10 days ago, we buried our cousin who died on his 2nd tour in Iraq. The only reason I bring it up is because you have mistakenly ASSumed that we know nothing of loss.
I realize that none of this will mean anything to you, nor change your mind, but I'm done discussing it with you. You are clearly bitter and angry, and I certainly do hope that you find some peace in your life sometime.
Honestly, I don't know how anyone can turn a simple difference of opinion into something so hateful. I think I'll take a break from this place for a while. I really do wish you well.
Funny I know in my bones that you are wrong too.
You're relative went to Iraq as a volunteer knowing he'd have a chance of being killed.
My wife was paralyzed in a bed, homebound with open leg wounds the size of softballs that wept and bled. She died of Toxicity of the body caused by the fallout of the fires that were once the World Trade Center. After taking care of her for over a decade, the poisionous ash from the site came in our apartment on the second night and infected her in a way that couldn't be treated. An entirely preventable attack that cost 2700+ lives of innocent Fellow Americans that were working at their jobs.
If anybody is confused or twisted it is you. To equate the above. I'm sorry for your loss, but if anyone is ASSuming it is you. That I'd equate the two as you have that is.
BYE
k0ews
06-22-2006, 05:35 AM
How exactly am I wrong? Because I call you for attacking AC0H? You were wrong to do it, period. Explain to me EXACTLY how I am wrong? If I'm anything, I'm extremely objective. I see you and N9XR jump all over Kevin in here for asking a question. You should have just answered it by saying you don't know, but you have to go one step further with an ad hom attack.
Sounds to me like you are just pissed off at the world. Still, you're wrong to attack AC0H. All he did was ask you a question, a question that by your own admission twice on this thread you have been unable to answer. For that he gets attacked? You make some plain stupid assumptions. Show me one place in anything that he posted in this thread that attacks you or trivializes anything you have endured. Give me just ONE example. Fact is, YOU CAN'T. So what do you do? You mis-direct, and you attack AC0H, and you infer that he is heartless, and doesn't care about anyone. That's why you were wrong, and you are STILL wrong. You cannot justify why you attacked 0H. All he did was ask a question. You have your panties in a twist about a funding cut, yet by your own admission twice here, you cannot name what was cut, how much from the year before, or how it would affect you. Maybe you should get the facts first, and perhaps you may not get as angry....somehow, I doubt it though. How exactly has AC0H taken up any position against you or the money; just by asking a question?
So, show me exactly where in this thread he did anything other than ask a question. Fact is, YOU CAN'T and YOU'RE WRONG.
OUT
k0ews Quote[/b] ]So, show me exactly where in this thread he did anything other than ask a question. Fact is, YOU CAN'T and YOU'RE WRONG.
AC0HQuote[/b] ]Nice play my call by the way. I doubt seriously you'd have the cajones to try it to my face. Maybe we ought to find out.
k0ews Quote[/b] ]All he did was ask you a question, a question that by your own admission twice on this thread you have been unable to answer.
N9XR Quote[/b] ]What does a half billion buy you in New York? For one year, it will give each fireman and each policeman $171 dollars a week. Stretch that out to the 5 years the city received the money, and it is like less than $35 dollars a week.
Hopefully the thread is easier to see scrunched up like this.