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I have been quiet in this forum for some time now but,
After reading about everything that has been going on with bush and his crooked Administration, I have to ask;
Is Bush America's "Hitler" ?? He is stripping away our rights, Preventing any recourse, Stopping Investigations and has Stacked the Courts, Spying on us without a warrant, Wants to give Illegal immigrants Citizenship ( even though the general population is overwhelmingly against it) . Am I the ONLY one that sees very DARK times ahead for us Americans ??
He spits on the Constitution and yet some Hail him. Be scared my friends... Be scared.... He is the Evil within !!
I can't think of any other president in American History that has stripped us of so much ! He thinks he is ABOVE the law. He really needs to be Impeached before he Destroys our America !!
Gordon
You might want to Google Adolph Hitler and see what THAT cat was up to before making such an irresponsible comparison.
(Surprised I dignified this post with THAT much of a reply.)
W2ILP
05-31-2006, 04:54 AM
IMHO Bush is not nearly as bad a guy as Hitler was...and even if he was our present political system would not let him become a total dictator or practice genocide against any group.....however
IMHO Hitler was more honest with the German people. #He told them that they were destined to rule the world because they were Aryans of a superior race. #We know this was B.S. but this is the premise that drove Germans to attempt to conquer Europe...and the rest of the world.
GWB isn't as Honest as Hitler was. # He tells Americans that they should fight a crusade against Muslim terrorism even if they are sectarian (non religious)...Yet he doesn't give any other logical or raciest reason why he wants Americans to police the world and force the culture of other nations to be "democratized". # In fact by propelling the U.S. into a needless war in Iraq he has relied on the fact that he can say that the majority of Americans aren't superior to the people of any race, religion or nationality but are ironically gullible enough to believe his flimsy lies.
w2ilp (I Like Peace)...Both Hitler and Bush wanted war...Hitler for his raciest ego; Bush for his family's profits from the military-industrial complex.
Favorite lines from Cole Porter's "Anything Goes" --
Do we want WAR?
NOOOOO!
Do we want PEACE?
NOOOOO!
What do we want?
HOORAAAAY!!!
I think of Bush less darkly than Hitler, but Bush is a TOTAL BOZO who has done more damage to this country than I thought possible.
Quote[/b] (w3sy @ May 31 2006,05:27)]You might want to Google Adolph Hitler and see what THAT cat was up to before making such an irresponsible comparison.
(Surprised I dignified this post with THAT much of a reply.)
Well Hitler slowly stripped away all of the geran citizens Rights, And i see Bush Slowly doing the SAME thing!
And as Dave said, At least Bush told the german people his Intentions, Not like Sneaky Bush !
BTW, I know ALL about Adolh Hitler. I have a Vast collection of books I have read about Him and WWII.
I know he went from being a Private to Dictator. It would have never happened if Not for the french and the The Versailles Treaty. he did things much in the way Bush is doing !
I personally NEVER thought an American President could get away with some of the stunts he has pulled. It is Scary !!!
Perhaps You might want to take some time out and google Hitler, then Compare Steve !! My comparisons are very much NOT irresponsible to those who take the Time to Learn !
Read and Learn Steve.. read and Learn !
Gordon
Quote[/b] (al2i @ May 31 2006,06:03)]I think of Bush less darkly than Hitler, but Bush is a TOTAL BOZO who has done more damage to this country than I thought possible.
This is SO true !!
Gordon
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kf6rdn
05-31-2006, 05:24 AM
Quote[/b] (N6WK @ May 30 2006,21:10)]Perhaps You might want to take some time out and google Hitler, then Compare Steve !!
Oh c'mon!
You can't compare Steve to Hitler!
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But yeah I think he's crooked. Very crooked.. I mean they ALL are, but considering he goes against too many conservative tenents. The only one he IS strong on is very suspect.
KC2ESD
05-31-2006, 09:42 AM
You leftys are going off the rails on the Crazy Train. Bush is todays Churchill and Roosevelt not Hitler. The Nazis of today ware a towel on their heads. Time is repeating its self.
Time goes around in a cycle and we are in the same cycle as in WW2. It takes one with Red Hair to know this.
There's a rule in debate that say when you start calling people Nazis you have already lost the debate.
If Bush were a new Hitler, there would be no need to concern ourselves with a presidential election in 2008 and all opposition political parties would have been abolished.
There would also be camps around the country to house political prisoners.
When's the last time any of us have been stopped by a Gestapo to check our papers? The only checkpoints I see on the road are of the sobriety type and they are run by the state government.
Nope. Don't think Bush even comes close to Hitler.
Quote[/b] ]He is stripping away our rights, Preventing any recourse, Stopping Investigations and has Stacked the Courts, Spying on us without a warrant, Wants to give Illegal immigrants Citizenship ( even though the general population is overwhelmingly against it) . # Am I the ONLY one that sees very DARK times ahead for us Americans ??
Which of your rights have been "stripped away"?
Specifically, which investigations have been "stopped"?
As far as I know the only people in this country who've been spied on are those receiveing calls from terrorists.
The same people with their panties in a twist over the NSA program would also be the first among us screaming bloody murder if another 9/11 style attack happend here and it could have been stopped by the NSA wiretaps. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too.
I am dead set against automatic citizenship for any illegal immigrant and even the senate immigration bill, co-authored by that well known Hitler style facist Ted Kennedy, doesn't make that possible.
Stacking courts.
Well, what can I say. Presidents have been doing it since the beginning of the republic. The first one of any notoriety who did it was that Hitler style fascist Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Where was your angst when Clinton was stacking the supreme court with far out lefties like Ginsberg and Breyer or the wacked out 9th circus court of appeals in San Fransisco?
Stacking federal courts is perfectly OK when democrats do it, but we're sliding headlong into a totalitarian fascist state when republicans do it?
Get a grip OM.
Quote[/b] (ac3p @ May 30 2006,22:56)]There's a rule in debate that say when you start calling people Nazis you have already lost the debate.
If Bush were a new Hitler, there would be no need to concern ourselves with a presidential election in 2008 and all opposition political parties would have been abolished.
There would also be camps around the country to house political prisoners.
When's the last time any of us have been stopped by a Gestapo to check our papers? The only checkpoints I see on the road are of the sobriety type and they are run by the state government.
Nope. Don't think Bush even comes close to Hitler.
I Love these arguements.
He's not another Hitler:
He would wear a little moustache.
He would date a girl named "Eva".
He would speak German, and he can't even speak English.
His hit men would wear different helmets.
He would have had a security flaw that he was responsible for that allowed major national sites to get hit by terrorists.
He would not allow himself to be interrogated under oath.
He would attack another nation without provocation.
He would unilaterally wiretap his citizens.
He would have secret camps to hold untried and uncharged prisoners.
He would support torture.
He would have control of a national media network.
He would lie about other countries military capabilities.
Good arguements, guys. You are convincing me.
KC9IUX
05-31-2006, 02:35 PM
Quote[/b] ]There would also be camps around the country to house political prisoners.
OK (http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/022106a.html)
Quote[/b] ]When's the last time any of us have been stopped by a Gestapo to check our papers? The only checkpoints I see on the road are of the sobriety type and they are run by the state government.
With federal money. Even if it was just the state, you like those?
Quote[/b] ]Good arguements, guys. You are convincing me.
I don't think anybody here would waste their time trying to convince closed minded Bush hating zealots like yourself of anything.
Guess what, the elections are over, you're side lost, get over it.
Quote[/b] (AC0H @ May 31 2006,01:36)]I don't think anybody here would waste their time trying to convince closed minded Bush hating zealots like yourself of anything.
Guess what, the elections are over, you're side lost, get over it.
I know. That is the point of this discussion. We have lost a lot. And we are losing more everyday.
The real problem is the fact that you are on our side and don't know it yet. Get over that.
w0aew
05-31-2006, 02:58 PM
Quote[/b] (AC0H @ May 31 2006,07:36)]Guess what, the elections are over, you're side lost, get over it.
We all lost.
Quote[/b] (WA5OES @ May 31 2006,01:58)]Quote[/b] (AC0H @ May 31 2006,07:36)]Guess what, the elections are over, you're side lost, get over it.
We all lost.
You say the same thing I did in only 3 words. That's concise.
Great minds...
Quote[/b] ]With federal money. #Even if it was just the state, you like those?
You bet!
If you ever have occasion to have a family member or the family member of a close friend killed by a drunk driver you'd love them too.
w0aew
05-31-2006, 03:06 PM
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W2LYS
05-31-2006, 03:27 PM
Quote[/b] ]When's the last time any of us have been stopped by a Gestapo to check our papers? The only checkpoints I see on the road are of the sobriety type and they are run by the state government.
The only checkpoint I ever had to contend with was a Border Patrol checkpoint just east of El Paso on I-10. The officer took one look at me and waved me on with my even have to show papers.
I was greatly amused by the amount of empty beer cans on the side of the road leading up to it. I was riding with my neighbor, and was joking with him about how much pot we might find if we got out and looked.
Quote[/b] (ac3p @ May 30 2006,22:56)]When's the last time any of us have been stopped by a Gestapo to check our papers? The only checkpoints I see on the road are of the sobriety type and they are run by the state government.
Nope. Don't think Bush even comes close to Hitler.
One thing Bush states over and over is that these are new times. We need to wake up. This is the 21st century if you have been sleeping. They have been monitering us, and they admit it. The nation has not really cared as a whole.
Let's look at the present day purpose of the road checkpoints. These are setup now days in parts of the world to keep bombs from being transported. Where are the threats from internal bombings? Other than McVeigh type right wing nut jobs, there is not much threat. Will we get to the point where this becomes a threat? We will need to see how quickly the gun laws are expanded by right wing politicians and then we will see this activity taking place here. And checkpoints will be all over.
The Gestapo plan is already in affect in airports. People's safety is threatened everyday even when full cooperation is offered. Threats of injury and imprisionment are commonplace. Is it for the safety of the travelers? Can't say that it is. In Chicagoland, we have trains that carry well over 1000 people on a single train load. There are dozens of these trains everyday which travel in excess of 70mph. Security there where potential is at least equal to aircraft, is almost non-existant.
I have to agree that Bush does not come close to Hitler. We don't even know where Hitler is.
Why compare him to Hitler? Why not Stalin? Or Lenin perhaps?
One can draw parallels between Bush and each of these men if you want. I don't think the Hitler comparison is the strongest, but it's part of our culture to equate bad leaders with Hitler -- to emphasize their overwhelming badness -- as a default. I think it points to an underlying tolerance or ignorance of what folks like Stalin and Lenin did, among others, which comes from the older generation's general sympathy for communism.
Have any of you read "Koba the Dread: Laughter and the Twenty Million" by Martin Amis? I suggest it. It explores why, in Western intellectual circles, it's been generally "ok" to chuckle over or dismiss the Gulags or Soviet famines or Stalin, but not Hitler and the Holocost.
KD6NIG
05-31-2006, 04:17 PM
The main difference...is that Bush has to at least semi-convince congress to do the stuff he wants to do, he just can't issue an order and have it executed like Hitler usually did.
I also believe that Hitler had some form of VD. I'm sure if Bush had ANY ailment it would be plastered everywhere, just look at all of the commentary about Cheney on that topic.
Nice try to get the link going, but I think apples and oranges are a bit different as are the two you're trying to compare.
kc7mrq
05-31-2006, 04:21 PM
Quote[/b] (KC2ESD @ May 31 2006,02:42)]You leftys are going off the rails on the Crazy Train.
You would love to know the answers but to to you the truth is just another lie.
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Had to get the guitar out and jam after reading your post.
LOL
Quote[/b] (AK7V @ May 31 2006,16:54)]Why compare him to Hitler? Why not Stalin? Or Lenin perhaps?
You are absolutely correct. It might have been better to compare him with Stalin.
kc7jty
05-31-2006, 05:51 PM
Hitler killed himself when it became clear he was a total failure. Bush would never do that.....he'd just laugh it off. eah, eah, eah, F yiz all....I'm worth $20 million.
w8znx
05-31-2006, 06:03 PM
such a pile
grew up yellow dog dem
think Bush is a boob
to compare Bush to Hitler
is to lessen
the enormity of Hitlers crimes
this its self is a crime
G W may be a ass
he is not a nazi
Mac
Quote[/b] (kc7mrq @ May 31 2006,12:21)]Quote[/b] (KC2ESD @ May 31 2006,02:42)]You leftys are going off the rails on the Crazy Train.
You would love to know the answers but to to you the truth is just another lie.
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Had to get the guitar out and jam after reading your post.
LOL
Take out my guitar and play,
Just like yesterday.
And I get on my knees and pray... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
k4kro
05-31-2006, 07:48 PM
Barrel.
Bottom.
Scraping.
Desperation.
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Quote[/b] (n2nh @ May 31 2006,05:54)]Quote[/b] (kc7mrq @ May 31 2006,12:21)]Quote[/b] (KC2ESD @ May 31 2006,02:42)]You leftys are going off the rails on the Crazy Train.
You would love to know the answers but to to you the truth is just another lie.
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Had to get the guitar out and jam after reading your post.
LOL
Take out my guitar and play,
Just like yesterday.
And I get on my knees and pray... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
BushQuote[/b] ]"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."
Who said that?
Quote[/b] (N6WK @ May 30 2006,21:19)]I can't think of any other president in American History that has stripped us of so much ! #He thinks he is ABOVE the law. #He really needs to be Impeached before he Destroys our America !!
Gordon
Quit reading up on Hitler and read about Abe Lincoln a bit.
If Abe (and his wife) did some of the things they pulled today, he would be branded the worst, most deadly president in history and the dems would be calling for impeachment.
Instead, history widely views him as the greatest president we have ever had. Even though he suspended the constitution, ordered executions, threw people in jail without trial.
His wife sold federal cotton contracts on a regular basis rather than allowing open bidding. To be a friend of Abe was to do well, to be on his bad side was to be in hell. He suffered from depression. Had he been around now, you all would be bashing the man as a looney. He is mentally unfit to lead this nation!!! Oh the horrors!!!!
The here and now tends to view differently than what history will say.
Quote[/b] (al2n @ May 31 2006,13:41)]Quote[/b] (N6WK @ May 30 2006,21:19)]I can't think of any other president in American History that has stripped us of so much ! He thinks he is ABOVE the law. He really needs to be Impeached before he Destroys our America !!
Gordon
Quit reading up on Hitler and read about Abe Lincoln a bit.
If Abe (and his wife) did some of the things they pulled today, he would be branded the worst, most deadly president in history and the dems would be calling for impeachment.
Instead, history widely views him as the greatest president we have ever had. Even though he suspended the constitution, ordered executions, threw people in jail without trial.
His wife sold federal cotton contracts on a regular basis rather than allowing open bidding. To be a friend of Abe was to do well, to be on his bad side was to be in hell. He suffered from depression. Had he been around now, you all would be bashing the man as a looney. He is mentally unfit to lead this nation!!! Oh the horrors!!!!
The here and now tends to view differently than what history will say.
Excellent point Mike. Unfortunately, Bush is still a BOZO! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
w8znx
05-31-2006, 09:39 PM
Quote[/b] (al2i @ May 31 2006,14:32)]Excellent point Mike. #Unfortunately, Bush is still a BOZO! # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
BOZO is not
in the same league as nazi
mac
G0GQK
05-31-2006, 09:45 PM
Why is it that so many Americans are irrational? #Gordon, go down to the library and ask them to find you a book about Adolf Hitler and pre-war Germany. When you've read it have a think about it .
G0GQK
Quote[/b] (w8znx @ May 31 2006,14:39)]BOZO is not
in the same league as nazi
mac
Very true.
I NEVER used the term Nazi.
Someone else threw that into the Frey.
I was referring to the way Bush and Hitler disregard laws to get what they wanted. Perhaps a comparison to Stalin would have been better. But, none the less, they all did it !
To the gent that sugested I read about Pre-War Germany, I have done that, and I still feel the Same ! I do not need to go to the Library, I have plenty of those books right here on the shelf!
Again I say, If France hadn't imposed all the Debts on Germany for WW I at the Versailles treaty, there probably wouldn't have been a WW II. Also if Neville Chamberland had had a backbone, there might not have been a WW II. Of course, The whole world knows about Churchill and the sinking of the Lusitania when he was Lord of the Admiralty. Interesting history surrounds that man.
Again, I never called Bush a Nazi. Those were the words of the Right Wing Zealots on here that can't stand to hear that Bush is a Failure and a BOZO ! Sorry Guys, But you made a mistake in Voting him in for a second term. Get used to it !
It will be interesting to see how History rates Bush, But for us, we get to rate him here and now. I see him as a Total Failure with no regard for the American Constitution.
Gordon
N4AUD
06-01-2006, 12:32 AM
Read about Lincoln suspending habeas corpus during the war and having "Copperhead" Democrats and war protesters arrested. The Chief Justice of the Supreme Court issued a writ of habeas corpus in one case and the administration simply ignored it. The Chief Justice then ruled the suspension unconstitutional, and they ignored that too.
Andrew Jackson defied the Supreme Court to remove the Indians from the southeast. He is supposed to have said something like "John Marshall has made his decision, let him enforce it!" Ironically, Jackson had been the Chief Justice of the Tennessee Supreme Court. I doubt he would have stood for such contempt of HIS court.
I don't really have a point in bringing these things up, except the things that are going on now seem to me to pale in comparison to illegally rounding up thousands of Cherokees, Creeks, Choctaws, Chicasaws and Seminoles and stealing their property, then sending them on a journey that killed hundreds if not thousands. Lincoln had about 12,000 people arrested and jailed when he suspended habeas corpus, simply for disagreeing with him.
KC9IUX
06-01-2006, 02:25 AM
Quote[/b] ]If Abe (and his wife) did some of the things they pulled today, he would be branded the worst, most deadly president in history and the dems would be calling for impeachment.
Instead, history widely views him as the greatest president we have ever had. Even though he suspended the constitution, ordered executions, threw people in jail without trial.
His wife sold federal cotton contracts on a regular basis rather than allowing open bidding. To be a friend of Abe was to do well, to be on his bad side was to be in hell. He suffered from depression. Had he been around now, you all would be bashing the man as a looney. He is mentally unfit to lead this nation!!! Oh the horrors!!!!
Yep, the first American Tyrant. Funny, how it's not commonly known.
KC9IUX
06-01-2006, 02:31 AM
Quote[/b] ]
With federal money. Even if it was just the state, you like those?
You bet!
If you ever have occasion to have a family member or the family member of a close friend killed by a
I lost the friend who got me into radio, from alcohol related organ failure. Maybe we should re-instate alcohol prohibition.
We lose alot of people to many things. Maybe the fridge police, so we eat right.
KC9IUX
06-01-2006, 02:32 AM
Quote[/b] ]The only checkpoint I ever had to contend with was a Border Patrol checkpoint just east of El Paso on I-10. The officer took one look at me and waved me on with my even have to show papers.
Been through that, myself. Didn't like it. It is keeping all the illegals out . http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
KC9IUX
06-01-2006, 02:34 AM
I've also been through a seat belt check point. It's in your own good, submit.
Quote[/b] ]I NEVER used the term Nazi.
Syllogism:
Bush is an American Hitler
The real Hitler was a Nazi
Therefore Bush is a ......
KC9IUX
06-01-2006, 02:48 AM
Neo-Con. Fake Conservative.
National Socialist isn't a real leap.
It is a bad analogy, but I did think of the Gestapo, when I heard The Dept. of Homeland Security.
Quote[/b] (N4UJF @ May 31 2006,15:48)]Barrel.
Bottom.
Scraping.
Desperation.
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Don't take it so hard. The Democrats will get in and it'll be all better. In fact Rush is taking more drugs so he'll be in a good mood to start earning some money spinning and doing his righty things when they get in again. And the Neo-Cons will impeach another one as a sacrifice to the religous right.
See don't that make you feel all better now? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Quote[/b] (N6WK @ May 30 2006,00:10)]Quote[/b] (w3sy @ May 31 2006,05:27)]You might want to Google Adolph Hitler and see what THAT cat was up to before making such an irresponsible comparison.
(Surprised I dignified this post with THAT much of a reply.)
Well Hitler slowly stripped away all of the geran citizens Rights, And i see Bush Slowly doing the SAME thing!
And as Dave said, At least Bush told the german people his Intentions, Not like Sneaky Bush !
BTW, I know ALL about Adolh Hitler. I have a Vast collection of books I have read about Him and WWII.
I know he went from being a Private to Dictator. #It would have never happened if Not for the french and the The Versailles Treaty. he did things much in the way Bush is doing !
I personally NEVER thought an American President could get away with some of the stunts he has pulled. #It is Scary !!!
Perhaps You might want to take some time out and google Hitler, then Compare Steve !! #My comparisons are very much NOT irresponsible to those who take the Time to Learn !
Read and Learn Steve.. read and Learn !
Gordon
As one of the most notorious, most infamous maniacs in the history of civilization, Hitler was in a class by himself. Comparing GWB to him is an overly emotional sensationalism.
You chose a good way to get attention and to over-dramatize your views toward the current administration, so if that's what you wanted, you should be happy with yourself.
If you really want to assign blame, don't blame the administration or the voters. Blame the Democratic Party for repeatedly offering poor candidates that the American voters reject. Instead of making silly and slanderous comparisons between GWB and Hitler, why not write to the Democratic Party leadership and urge them to abandon their far-left activist agenda and move their core values closer to those of MOST Americans?
They probably won't listen to you, because they CLEARLY have not been listening for some years now, but at least you can say that you have done your part in some constructive way.
k4kro
06-01-2006, 03:08 AM
N2NH,
Those are noises from the LIB side. What are you guys going to do for material until November?
If Bush were America's Hitler, you Libs would be the kindling wood.
Quote[/b] (ac3p @ June 01 2006,03:44)]Quote[/b] ]I NEVER used the term Nazi.
Syllogism:
Bush is an American Hitler
The real Hitler was a Nazi
Therefore Bush is a ......
Hmmm, I guess if thats they way you think.
I see it as two men that disregard Laws to force their will on the people they govern Over.
In the real world, Your Syllogism is NOT correct in the true meaning of my post, But hey if it floats your Boat and makes you feel better, go with it !
With your way of thinking, I could say, You are a man, Hitler was a man, Hitler was a Nazi, so you must be a Nazi... Sounds pretty stupid.... Don't you think ? !
Again, for all you SLOW learners, I never said Bush was a Nazi... That was some Right wing Zealot !
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Gordon
KW4MW
06-01-2006, 03:37 AM
N4UJFQuote[/b] ]If Bush were America's Hitler, you Libs would be the kindling wood.
Uh, doncha mean lampshades http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Quote[/b] (N4UJF @ June 01 2006,04:08)]N2NH,
Those are noises from the LIB side. What are you guys going to do for material until November?
If Bush were America's Hitler, you Libs would be the kindling wood.
Yep, And there would be Domestic spying, and Concentration Camps at Gitmo, and the Invasion of a Country on False information , Lies and Cover ups and Fireside Chats with God in the White House , the Constitution is "Just a Piece of Paper" , Would NOT allow a legal challange to his DOMESTIC spying on the grounds that it might expose something , leaks damaging information to get back at a critic of his and The list goes on and On and On...
Oh Wait, All that stuff is happening under Bush !!
Yep, He's a Keeper all right. ( Sarcasim)
If I had voted for him a second time, I'd be hiding my face in shame !!!
Gordon
k4kro
06-01-2006, 04:15 AM
N6WK,
Let me respond to this one item at a time:
1. Domestic spying. - I don't know anyone who was domestically-spied upon. Do you?
2. Concentration camps at Gitmo. - Your imagination is running wild. What about Castro's gulags? Care to comment on those?
3. Lies and cover-ups. - What lies and cover-ups? #Name one that you can support with legitimate documentation.
4. Fireside chats with God in the White House. - You must have overlooked the First Amendment.
5. All the rest. - More wild imagining and unsupportable supposition on your part. And I thought my wife was overly-suspicious. (ha-ha-ha)
If Bush was truly as bad as you think he is, then don't you think something would have been done about it by now?
ki6dzu
06-01-2006, 05:19 AM
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety"
And there have been other presidents as bad. FDR is one that I know of off the top of my head.
KG6JTB
06-01-2006, 05:41 AM
Quote[/b] (N6WK @ May 30 2006,21:19)]I have been quiet in this forum for some time now but,
After reading about everything that has been going on with bush and his crooked Administration, I have to ask; #
# Is Bush America's "Hitler" ?? #He is stripping away our rights, Preventing any recourse, Stopping Investigations and has Stacked the Courts, Spying on us without a warrant, Wants to give Illegal immigrants Citizenship ( even though the general population is overwhelmingly against it) . # Am I the ONLY one that sees very DARK times ahead for us Americans ??
He spits on the Constitution and yet some Hail him. #Be scared my friends... Be scared.... #He is the Evil within !!
I can't think of any other president in American History that has stripped us of so much ! #He thinks he is ABOVE the law. #He really needs to be Impeached before he Destroys our America !!
Gordon
Garbage. Just Garbage.
w8cbc
06-01-2006, 06:09 AM
Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, the leaders of the Rwandan genocide, Alexander of Macedonia - all were unspeakably evil in my book and I don't give a damn about their political posturings.
Alexander the "Great"? Hell yes. He took the armies that his father had built and used them to murder and massacre just to boost his fragile ego. He built nothing of value. If Alexandria became in time a great city, it grew of its own. All that ancient psychopath contributed to it was his name.
Anyway. Junior may have the same sort of tendencies and personality as many of the above - but we do have a strong system in this country with lots of inertia to it. The damage he has done is not yet fatal. It will take a lot of work to repair.
The first time he orders a nuclear strike, however, all bets are off. The rest of the world WILL do something about us in that event. I can only hope that we can make it to 2009 without it happening.
n5tjd
06-01-2006, 05:24 PM
No offence, BSR, but I highly doubt we would ever use a nuclear strike pre-emptively. Now, in retaliation maybe.... but even then, it wouldn't be a free pass decision.
Quote[/b] ]"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Ole' Ben didn't live in the age of instantaneous communication, Dynamite, Airliners, Radical Islam, Automatic Weapons, the internet, etc....
That statement is so irrelevent today it's ridiculous. The only people who have to worry about losing their supposed Liberty are those in cahoots with terrorists.
OUTRAGEOS TO COMPARE MR.BUSH WITH ADOLPH HITLER AND THE LIKE NO EVEN CLOSE:( http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
DE -K8PG-Paul
kc7mrq
06-01-2006, 06:09 PM
Quote[/b] (n9xr @ May 31 2006,12:50)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ May 31 2006,05:54)]Quote[/b] (kc7mrq @ May 31 2006,12:21)]Quote[/b] (KC2ESD @ May 31 2006,02:42)]You leftys are going off the rails on the Crazy Train.
You would love to know the answers but to to you the truth is just another lie.
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Had to get the guitar out and jam after reading your post.
LOL
Take out my guitar and play,
Just like yesterday.
And I get on my knees and pray... #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
BushQuote[/b] ]"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."
Who said that?
Was it Pete Townsend of The Who?
Quote[/b] (N4UJF @ May 31 2006,15:15)]N6WK,
Let me respond to this one item at a time:
1. Domestic spying. - I don't know anyone who was domestically-spied upon. Do you?
2. Concentration camps at Gitmo. - Your imagination is running wild. What about Castro's gulags? Care to comment on those?
3. Lies and cover-ups. - What lies and cover-ups? Name one that you can support with legitimate documentation.
4. Fireside chats with God in the White House. - You must have overlooked the First Amendment.
5. All the rest. - More wild imagining and unsupportable supposition on your part. And I thought my wife was overly-suspicious. (ha-ha-ha)
If Bush was truly as bad as you think he is, then don't you think something would have been done about it by now?
Now then,
1. Spying Happens. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-060518nsa,1,2709782.story?coll=chi-news-hed) I guess I didn't know anyone personally killed in the Sept 11 attacks. Are you trying to say here that it did not happen? That is silly.
2. Where is the support of these Castro gulag's in the Federal budget? Can you point out where I pay taxes to support Castro's gulag's? Send a federal budget plan which shows my taxes are going to Castro's attrocities! Castro loves Camp X-Ray because it helps apologists like you to excuse his attrocities.
3. Lies and coverups everyday all day long. Here's just one. It'll be swept under the rug as fast as it happens.
Bush lies (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2006/06/01/BL2006060100995.html?nav=rss_world/mideast/iraq)
4. You must have overlooked the separation of church and state. Many policies are religious based according to the administration. Deny it if you wish.
5. So I think that I understand your last line. Hitler was in power from 1933 to 1945. The German people never got rid of him because he "was not that bad". That was 12 years! Those Germans did not feel threatened by him. He appealed to the extreme right wing, and he wanted to go out and kick Polish butt. That was appealing to many citizens, and he maintained power, because he was "not that bad".
No Nein X - Ray (n9xr)
Quote[/b] (kc7mrq @ June 01 2006,05:09)]Quote[/b] (n9xr @ May 31 2006,12:50)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ May 31 2006,05:54)]Quote[/b] (kc7mrq @ May 31 2006,12:21)]Quote[/b] (KC2ESD @ May 31 2006,02:42)]You leftys are going off the rails on the Crazy Train.
You would love to know the answers but to to you the truth is just another lie.
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Had to get the guitar out and jam after reading your post.
LOL
Take out my guitar and play,
Just like yesterday.
And I get on my knees and pray... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
BushQuote[/b] ]"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."
Who said that?
Was it Pete Townsend of The Who?
Correct! (Notice I did not say Yes.)
KD6NIG
06-01-2006, 09:55 PM
Quote[/b] (KG6JTB @ May 31 2006,22:41)]Quote[/b] (N6WK @ May 30 2006,21:19)]I have been quiet in this forum for some time now but,
After reading about everything that has been going on with bush and his crooked Administration, I have to ask; #
# Is Bush America's "Hitler" ?? #He is stripping away our rights, Preventing any recourse, Stopping Investigations and has Stacked the Courts, Spying on us without a warrant, Wants to give Illegal immigrants Citizenship ( even though the general population is overwhelmingly against it) . # Am I the ONLY one that sees very DARK times ahead for us Americans ??
He spits on the Constitution and yet some Hail him. #Be scared my friends... Be scared.... #He is the Evil within !!
I can't think of any other president in American History that has stripped us of so much ! #He thinks he is ABOVE the law. #He really needs to be Impeached before he Destroys our America !!
Gordon
Garbage. Just Garbage.
Impeaching Bush, by the way, means we get the next person on the totem pole......Cheney.
Apparrantly some people think he's going to be the savior, since if Bush WERE to be impeached successfully, he'd be the one getting the step up.....
Like I've said before, the first shakeup should be some incumbants getting tossed from both sides, just to let them know people are actually paying attention to the horse and pony show in washington.
If that doesn't happen, then that tells me the majority likes the direction we're going, or simply doesn't care.
We'll all get our oppurtuntity to replace the man at the top in 2 years. Lets not wait for the oppurtunity to clean up congress a bit now. There needs to be some cleansing of some ultra people from BOTH sides of the aisle.
W8EFA
06-01-2006, 10:49 PM
Quote[/b] ]3. Lies and cover-ups. - What lies and cover-ups? #Name one that you can support with legitimate documentation.
Jerry posted one from just last week. #
That is the one thing that baffles me how supposedly intelligent people people can support this President who lies to them. ##
As an example look at the NSA scandal. You can debate whether the wiretapping is legal ,necesary, etc. #But the bottom line is he lied to us once again.
Somebody please explain how he can state, on record #to the American people that wiretapping requires a court order while he has full knowledge that he is illegally wiretapping without a court order? #This is once again an outright lie! #
Bush Speech April 2004
President Bush: Information Sharing, Patriot Act Vital to Homeland Security
Remarks by the President in a Conversation on the USA Patriot Act
Kleinshans Music Hall
Buffalo, New York
Quote[/b] ]So the first thing I want you to think about is, when you hear Patriot Act, is that we changed the law and the bureaucratic mind-set to allow for the sharing of information. It's vital. And others will describe what that means.
Secondly, there are such things as roving wiretaps. Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so. It's important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution.
WhiteHouse.Gov (http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/04/20040420-2.html)
Quote[/b] (AC0H @ June 01 2006,10:30)]Quote[/b] ]"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Ole' Ben didn't live in the age of instantaneous communication, Dynamite, Airliners, Radical Islam, Automatic Weapons, the internet, etc....
That statement is so irrelevent today it's ridiculous. The only people who have to worry about losing their supposed Liberty are those in cahoots with terrorists.
Republicans: The State knows what is best for you. Submit! Worrying about the loss of traditional liberty is irrelevent and ridiculous. Silence!
Quote[/b] (N4UJF @ June 01 2006,05:15)]N6WK,
Let me respond to this one item at a time:
1. Domestic spying. - I don't know anyone who was domestically-spied upon. Do you?
2. Concentration camps at Gitmo. - Your imagination is running wild. What about Castro's gulags? Care to comment on those?
3. Lies and cover-ups. - What lies and cover-ups? Name one that you can support with legitimate documentation.
4. Fireside chats with God in the White House. - You must have overlooked the First Amendment.
5. All the rest. - More wild imagining and unsupportable supposition on your part. And I thought my wife was overly-suspicious. (ha-ha-ha)
If Bush was truly as bad as you think he is, then don't you think something would have been done about it by now?
Wow, You DON'T get out Much do you ?
I can't believe you are actually asking these Questions.
Comon, You Have to be SMARTER then this ! Aren't you ??
Gordon
N6WK
ki6dzu
06-02-2006, 02:37 AM
Quote[/b] (AC0H @ June 01 2006,10:30)]Quote[/b] ]"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Ole' Ben didn't live in the age of instantaneous communication, Dynamite, Airliners, Radical Islam, Automatic Weapons, the internet, etc....
That statement is so irrelevent today it's ridiculous. The only people who have to worry about losing their supposed Liberty are those in cahoots with terrorists.
So then I can assume you are not for the Constitution either? Oh and the ever increasing police state is good for us too, after all, I have nothing to hide. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Quote[/b] ]So then I can assume you are not for the Constitution either?
No, I never said that. I'm all for the constitution.
My point was that if Ben Franklin knew back then what we know now he never would have uttered those words. When he said those words it took a month on a leaking ship to get from Europe to the US. Today it takes six hours.
He was also talking about and to the original group of men who signed the declaration of independence.
kf6rdn
06-02-2006, 03:49 AM
Quote[/b] (KD6NIG @ June 01 2006,13:55)]Impeaching Bush, by the way, means we get the next person on the totem pole......Cheney.
Apparrantly some people think he's going to be the savior, since if Bush WERE to be impeached successfully, he'd be the one getting the step up.....
I think the lawers of the country might not like this.
(At least the ones that like to hunt )
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I liked it better when Republicans were narrowly focused on driving up the value of street drugs, praying in public places, and asserting uterus domination. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
w8cbc
06-02-2006, 05:40 AM
Quote[/b] (KD5WZB @ June 01 2006,10:24)]No offence, BSR, but I highly doubt we would ever use a nuclear strike pre-emptively. Now, in retaliation maybe.... but even then, it wouldn't be a free pass decision.
That supposes that we are led by people in their right minds - or that since we're not, the generals can stop them.
I'm given to understand that a pre-emptive tactical nuclear strike was pushed by an administration official in a planning session as to what to do if / when Iran began nuclear enrichment (unbeknownst to them at the time, it already had). The military personnel involved in the discussion demanded that option be immediately taken off the table.
This is a good example of why I trust our military leadership more than our civilian leadership. The career generals are accustomed to considering the consequences of their actions.
It is rather disheartening that while the constitution was set up in part to prevent a military takeover (bad memories of the English Civil War likely), it is the military upon whom we must rely today to prevent the civilian leadership from making the final mistake.
---edited to add a missing letter---
KF0RT
06-02-2006, 12:06 PM
Quote[/b] (AC0H @ June 01 2006,11:30)]The only people who have to worry about losing their supposed Liberty are those in cahoots with terrorists.
You wouldn't happen to be in the market for a bridge, would you? We're all losing -- a little more every day.
The only thing that keeps me from being a die-hard conservative (er, besides that religious stuff) is that apparently, you now need to worship the government, too. Our government was considered a necessary evil when it was founded. It should still be considered such.
Franklin was right yesterday and he's still right today.
73, Rob
Quote[/b] ]You wouldn't happen to be in the market for a bridge, would you? We're all losing -- a little more every day
How so?
What rights have you lost?
Name one thing you can't do today that you could do a week ago, or a month, or a year, or ten years ago?
N4AUD
06-02-2006, 01:09 PM
Quote[/b] (al2i @ May 31 2006,17:51)]Quote[/b] (AC0H @ June 01 2006,10:30)]Quote[/b] ]"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Ole' Ben didn't live in the age of instantaneous communication, Dynamite, Airliners, Radical Islam, Automatic Weapons, the internet, etc....
That statement is so irrelevent today it's ridiculous. The only people who have to worry about losing their supposed Liberty are those in cahoots with terrorists.
Republicans: The State knows what is best for you. Submit! Worrying about the loss of traditional liberty is irrelevent and ridiculous. Silence!
I don't belong to a political party, but I think that would apply to the Democrats as well, in its own way. The Democrats are always trying to mess with my Second Amendment rights.
N4AUD
06-02-2006, 01:10 PM
Quote[/b] (AC0H @ June 01 2006,06:14)]Quote[/b] ]You wouldn't happen to be in the market for a bridge, would you? We're all losing -- a little more every day
How so?
What rights have you lost?
Name one thing you can't do today that you could do a week ago, or a month, or a year, or ten years ago?
Exactly!
KF0RT
06-02-2006, 02:23 PM
Quote[/b] (AC0H @ June 02 2006,06:14)]Quote[/b] ]You wouldn't happen to be in the market for a bridge, would you? We're all losing -- a little more every day
How so?
What rights have you lost?
Name one thing you can't do today that you could do a week ago, or a month, or a year, or ten years ago?
I thought the subject was liberty, not rights. Do you not know the difference?
Things I can't do today:
Get on an airplane without being searched.
Use the Internet without entries into a government database.
Use the telephone without entries into a government database.
Apply for a job without taking a drug test.
Apply for a job without proving I "have the right."
Make a $10,000 bank transaction that isn't reported to the government.
Buy Sudafed without asking for it.
I'm sure I can come up with much more, but it's all in the name of the war on terrorism and/or drugs, so as long as I have nothing to hide, it's okay, right??
73, Rob
kc7jty
06-02-2006, 07:58 PM
You need a good credit rating to get a reasonable rate for auto or home insurance.
You must have valid photo ID to OPEN a bank account.
You can't cross a state line while in possession of a firearm without a firearms dealer permit.
You can't put your foot up your neighbor dog's @ss when it craps on your lawn for fear of being convicted of felony animal cruelty
N4AUD
06-02-2006, 08:03 PM
Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ June 01 2006,08:23)]Quote[/b] (AC0H @ June 02 2006,06:14)]Quote[/b] ]You wouldn't happen to be in the market for a bridge, would you? We're all losing -- a little more every day
How so?
What rights have you lost?
Name one thing you can't do today that you could do a week ago, or a month, or a year, or ten years ago?
I thought the subject was liberty, not rights. Do you not know the difference?
Things I can't do today:
Get on an airplane without being searched.
Use the Internet without entries into a government database.
Use the telephone without entries into a government database.
Apply for a job without taking a drug test.
Apply for a job without proving I "have the right."
Make a $10,000 bank transaction that isn't reported to the government.
Buy Sudafed without asking for it.
I'm sure I can come up with much more, but it's all in the name of the war on terrorism and/or drugs, so as long as I have nothing to hide, it's okay, right??
73, Rob
I really hate to disagree with you, but all of that isn't due to the war on terrorism.
In this part of the country, we have had a real problem with the prescription drug Oxycontin, called "hillbilly heroin" and there has been a tremendous effort to get the problem under control. Right on the heels of that came the crystal meth epidemic. These two drugs have been killing off people like smallpox, destroying families, making other crime shoot through the roof as the addicts kill and steal to support their addiction, and placing a large burden on the taxpayers, courts, jails and hospitals.
Certain cold medications are used in the production of meth. Although they are over-the-counter medicines, they are now heavily controlled and it is working in this area to reduce the meth problem. The oxycontin problem is much less than it was even a couple of years ago.
The $10,000 dollar money transaction reporting was enacted years before the war on terror, I think during the 80's to help catch money laundering cocaine dealers.
I don't think taking a drug test is in any way related to the war on terror either.
Not being argumentative, but I think you were mistaken in including those items.
EDIT:
I didn't notice you mentioned the war on drugs before I posted that. I will say that the cold medicine controls and the money transaction reporting have been one of the few things that have actually helped. Most of the "war on drugs" is totally ineffective.
I thought that the question was asking what rights we have lost. I had not realized that it was limited.
However, leaders with vision and resolve can revive lost rights in time finding counter measures to the problems that the original rights loss were put into place to fight. They just busted a lab in my neighborhood this morning. Hmmm.
Quote[/b] (K1ALK @ June 02 2006,06:09)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ May 31 2006,17:51)]Quote[/b] (AC0H @ June 01 2006,10:30)]Quote[/b] ]"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Ole' Ben didn't live in the age of instantaneous communication, Dynamite, Airliners, Radical Islam, Automatic Weapons, the internet, etc....
That statement is so irrelevent today it's ridiculous. The only people who have to worry about losing their supposed Liberty are those in cahoots with terrorists.
Republicans: The State knows what is best for you. Submit! Worrying about the loss of traditional liberty is irrelevent and ridiculous. Silence!
I don't belong to a political party, but I think that would apply to the Democrats as well, in its own way. The Democrats are always trying to mess with my Second Amendment rights.
I know it. I am more threatened by the Republicans right now because they are the ones in power. I expect that to change dramatically in the next couple of elections.
KF0RT
06-02-2006, 11:05 PM
Quote[/b] (K1ALK @ June 02 2006,14:03)]I really hate to disagree with you, but all of that isn't due to the war on terrorism.
Yeah, I know... The failed "War on Drugs" was the foot in the door for the "War on Terrorism."
73, Rob
KF0RT
06-02-2006, 11:10 PM
Quote[/b] (n9xr @ June 02 2006,15:05)]I thought that the question was asking what rights we have lost. I had not realized that it was limited.
My comments were in response to the Ben Franklin sub-thread. "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
73, Rob
Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ June 02 2006,16:05)]Quote[/b] (K1ALK @ June 02 2006,14:03)]I really hate to disagree with you, but all of that isn't due to the war on terrorism.
Yeah, I know... The failed "War on Drugs" was the foot in the door for the "War on Terrorism."
73, Rob
Yes. War abuse often begins with "Gateway Wars" such as the Drug War, and this leads to ever-escalating abuse. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
KC9IUX
06-03-2006, 07:52 PM
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ad4mg
06-03-2006, 09:32 PM
Hold on ... I didn't notice any of the radical right replying to this:
Quote[/b] ]The Prez': So the first thing I want you to think about is, when you hear Patriot Act, is that we changed the law and the bureaucratic mind-set to allow for the sharing of information. It's vital. And others will describe what that means.
Secondly, there are such things as roving wiretaps. Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so. It's important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution.
"A wiretap requires a court order."
Now that's bovine excretement if I ever saw it!
Spin this one away please. I wish to be amused. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
"because we value the Constitution." Bwaaahaaaahaaaaa!
Me things some of your folks need to check your drinks and RF levels. Some of your circuits aren't getting the juice to the right places.
ad4mg
06-04-2006, 11:54 AM
Quote[/b] (ad4mg @ June 03 2006,17:32)]Hold on ... I didn't notice any of the radical right replying to this:
Quote[/b] ]The Prez': #So the first thing I want you to think about is, when you hear Patriot Act, is that we changed the law and the bureaucratic mind-set to allow for the sharing of information. It's vital. And others will describe what that means.
Secondly, there are such things as roving wiretaps. Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so. It's important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution.
"A wiretap requires a court order."
Now that's bovine excretement if I ever saw it!
Spin this one away please. #I wish to be amused. # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
"because we value the Constitution." # Bwaaahaaaahaaaaa!
Hmmm. #Interesting, no takers. #Why no reply, you Rush-Heads?
Quote[/b] (ad4mg @ June 03 2006,22:54)]Quote[/b] (ad4mg @ June 03 2006,17:32)]Hold on ... I didn't notice any of the radical right replying to this:
Quote[/b] ]The Prez': So the first thing I want you to think about is, when you hear Patriot Act, is that we changed the law and the bureaucratic mind-set to allow for the sharing of information. It's vital. And others will describe what that means.
Secondly, there are such things as roving wiretaps. Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so. It's important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution.
"A wiretap requires a court order."
Now that's bovine excretement if I ever saw it!
Spin this one away please. I wish to be amused. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
"because we value the Constitution." Bwaaahaaaahaaaaa!
Hmmm. Interesting, no takers. Why no reply, you Rush-Heads?
Support your president because he is your president. Just because he lies all the time, there are no news reports about him having extra marital affairs. The fact that he is republican allows for double and lowered standards. When there are parallels to Nazism, don't point it out. These will be disputed with arguements like the fact that Dubya does not wear a moustache and he has only killed into the hundreds of thousands and not millions... yet. To describe Dubya is to "Bush Bash".
I hope this arguement is ample to lay this subject to rest.
kc7jty
06-06-2006, 05:39 PM
Quote[/b] (w0pee @ June 02 2006,16:00)]Me things some of your folks need to check your drinks and RF levels. #Some of your circuits aren't getting the juice to the right places.
WHAT DA!!??
KI4FCP
06-06-2006, 05:44 PM
Quote[/b] (N6WK @ May 30 2006,21:19)]I have been quiet in this forum for some time now but,
After reading about everything that has been going on with bush and his crooked Administration, I have to ask; #
# Is Bush America's "Hitler" ?? #He is stripping away our rights, Preventing any recourse, Stopping Investigations and has Stacked the Courts, Spying on us without a warrant, Wants to give Illegal immigrants Citizenship ( even though the general population is overwhelmingly against it) . # Am I the ONLY one that sees very DARK times ahead for us Americans ??
He spits on the Constitution and yet some Hail him. #Be scared my friends... Be scared.... #He is the Evil within !!
I can't think of any other president in American History that has stripped us of so much ! #He thinks he is ABOVE the law. #He really needs to be Impeached before he Destroys our America !!
Gordon
Hmmmm lets see Hitler......well if he was he would have allready killed off his opposition, took way all the guns, took over the press shall i go on? In the words of William Shatner "get a life" http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Quote[/b] ]Hmmmm lets see Hitler......well if he was he would have allready killed off his opposition, took way all the guns, took over the press shall i go on? In the words of William Shatner "get a life"
Don't forget. He shut down ham radio in Germany too.
Quote[/b] (KI4FCP @ June 06 2006,04:44)]Quote[/b] (N6WK @ May 30 2006,21:19)]I have been quiet in this forum for some time now but,
After reading about everything that has been going on with bush and his crooked Administration, I have to ask; #
# Is Bush America's "Hitler" ?? #He is stripping away our rights, Preventing any recourse, Stopping Investigations and has Stacked the Courts, Spying on us without a warrant, Wants to give Illegal immigrants Citizenship ( even though the general population is overwhelmingly against it) . # Am I the ONLY one that sees very DARK times ahead for us Americans ??
He spits on the Constitution and yet some Hail him. #Be scared my friends... Be scared.... #He is the Evil within !!
I can't think of any other president in American History that has stripped us of so much ! #He thinks he is ABOVE the law. #He really needs to be Impeached before he Destroys our America !!
Gordon
Hmmmm lets see Hitler......well if he was he would have allready killed off his opposition, took way all the guns, took over the press shall i go on? #In the words of William Shatner #"get a life" http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
What opposition did Hitler "kill off"?
Hitler was in power from 1933 to 1945. That is 12 years. He passed his time as chancellor finding new enemies and creating a new scare for the German people. He opposed abortion. Hmmm. He maintained a profile which appeared to be very ethical and moral to his followers.
William Shattner Quote[/b] ] How do I stay so healthy and boyishly handsome? It's simple. I drink the blood of young runaways.
ad4mg
06-07-2006, 04:09 PM
Quote[/b] (ad4mg @ June 04 2006,07:54)]Quote[/b] (ad4mg @ June 03 2006,17:32)]Hold on ... I didn't notice any of the radical right replying to this:
Quote[/b] ]The Prez': #So the first thing I want you to think about is, when you hear Patriot Act, is that we changed the law and the bureaucratic mind-set to allow for the sharing of information. It's vital. And others will describe what that means.
Secondly, there are such things as roving wiretaps. Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so. It's important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution.
"A wiretap requires a court order."
Now that's bovine excretement if I ever saw it!
Spin this one away please. #I wish to be amused. # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
"because we value the Constitution." # Bwaaahaaaahaaaaa!
Hmmm. #Interesting, no takers. #Why no reply, you Rush-Heads?
Still waiting. None of you rabid neocons have the kahonies to address this?
I'll post this daily until I get an answer.
Amuse me. I demand it.
Quote[/b] (n9xr @ June 06 2006,11:00)]
Hitler was in power from 1933 to 1945. #That is 12 years. #He passed his time as chancellor finding new enemies and creating a new scare for the German people. #He opposed abortion. #Hmmm. #He maintained a profile which appeared to be very ethical and moral to his followers.
You're spinning fast and furious this time, xr! # #
Hitler had most of his enemies defined and plans written down in a book far before he came to power. #Ever heard of it? #(He was also a vegetarian -- very un-Bush like. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif )
These parallels you're trying desperately to cobble together are ridiculous, xr, and they make it difficult to take your more legit concerns seriously. #They're also offensive to people who contemplate what Hitler actually did to Europe and humanity as a whole.
N4AUD
06-07-2006, 05:49 PM
Quote[/b] (n9xr @ June 05 2006,12:00)]Quote[/b] (KI4FCP @ June 06 2006,04:44)]Quote[/b] (N6WK @ May 30 2006,21:19)]I have been quiet in this forum for some time now but,
After reading about everything that has been going on with bush and his crooked Administration, I have to ask;
Is Bush America's "Hitler" ?? He is stripping away our rights, Preventing any recourse, Stopping Investigations and has Stacked the Courts, Spying on us without a warrant, Wants to give Illegal immigrants Citizenship ( even though the general population is overwhelmingly against it) . Am I the ONLY one that sees very DARK times ahead for us Americans ??
He spits on the Constitution and yet some Hail him. Be scared my friends... Be scared.... He is the Evil within !!
I can't think of any other president in American History that has stripped us of so much ! He thinks he is ABOVE the law. He really needs to be Impeached before he Destroys our America !!
Gordon
Hmmmm lets see Hitler......well if he was he would have allready killed off his opposition, took way all the guns, took over the press shall i go on? In the words of William Shatner "get a life" http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
What opposition did Hitler "kill off"?
Hitler was in power from 1933 to 1945. That is 12 years. He passed his time as chancellor finding new enemies and creating a new scare for the German people. He opposed abortion. Hmmm. He maintained a profile which appeared to be very ethical and moral to his followers.
William Shattner Quote[/b] ] How do I stay so healthy and boyishly handsome? It's simple. I drink the blood of young runaways.
What opposition did Hitler kill off?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
You've got to be kidding me. He even had a purge of the SA who had helped get him into power.
Jeeeeezzz!!!!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
Look up "Ernst Rohm" at the local library or Google. Your question will be answered.
Comparing Bush to Hitler is like comparing a chihuahua with a Rotweiller. I can't believe so many people are so uninformed about Nazi Germany.
Quote[/b] (K1ALK @ June 07 2006,04:49)]What opposition did Hitler kill off?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
You've got to be kidding me. #He even had a purge of the SA who had helped get him into power.
Jeeeeezzz!!!!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
Look up "Ernst Rohm" at the local library or Google. #Your question will be answered.
Comparing Bush to Hitler is like comparing a chihuahua with a Rotweiller. #I can't believe so many people are so uninformed about Nazi Germany.
There was suppressed opposition to Hitler within Germany. He did not kill off all opposition. Look it up.
Thanks for bringing up Rohm. Hitler decided to have him executed because he hated gays. Hitler did not support gay marriages.
I don't have a clue what your point really is. Most of the fatalities in Iraq are from blue states. There are 2478 proxy killings in this one venture. We have no defined mission in Iraq except to watch these deaths tally up.
In the immortal words of Tony Snow, you really don't want to hug the tar baby.
Quote[/b] (ad4mg @ June 07 2006,03:09)]Quote[/b] (ad4mg @ June 04 2006,07:54)]Quote[/b] (ad4mg @ June 03 2006,17:32)]Hold on ... I didn't notice any of the radical right replying to this:
Quote[/b] ]The Prez': #So the first thing I want you to think about is, when you hear Patriot Act, is that we changed the law and the bureaucratic mind-set to allow for the sharing of information. It's vital. And others will describe what that means.
Secondly, there are such things as roving wiretaps. Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so. It's important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution.
"A wiretap requires a court order."
Now that's bovine excretement if I ever saw it!
Spin this one away please. #I wish to be amused. # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
"because we value the Constitution." # Bwaaahaaaahaaaaa!
Hmmm. #Interesting, no takers. #Why no reply, you Rush-Heads?
Still waiting. #None of you rabid neocons have the kahonies to address this?
I'll post this daily until I get an answer.
Amuse me. #I demand it.
I'll tackle this one. Bush is persident. He can do no wrong. Anything he does is legal because he does it. Even his wife has killed a guy, and not even a ticket for her.
It is not a big deal to Americans to have a lying leader. We don't expect the leader to ever tell the truth. It is not like we care about the country or anything. We are here to ride the wave for as long as it goes. We don't want to support the country through taxes. The less we contribute, the better we feel. If Bush wants to waste money, let him. He is just so cute. Don't you love his smirk?
Plausible denyability is what I depend on to rely on the fact that Bush is not monitoring my personal phone calls. That gives me the ability to argue for Bush and support his trashing the constitution. It's just a "piece of paper" anyway.
Join the neocon club, MG. It is easy. Don't worry about republican leadership until you are like in Hastert's shoes, and he worries about the FBI busting into his personal office without a warrant. At that time, you have the right to scream and yell that Nazi tactics are going too far. Until then, hide your head in the sand. It is cooler in the summertime that way anyway.
w8cbc
06-07-2006, 11:42 PM
kc7jty: Quote[/b] ]You can't put your foot up your neighbor dog's @ss when it craps on your lawn for fear of being convicted of felony animal cruelty
Maybe it's just because I don't like dogs - but I am rather disgusted by the way the barking pieces of $#1t apparently have more rights than I do.
ad4mg
06-09-2006, 01:29 AM
Quote[/b] (ad4mg @ June 07 2006,12:09)]Quote[/b] (ad4mg @ June 04 2006,07:54)]Quote[/b] (ad4mg @ June 03 2006,17:32)]Hold on ... I didn't notice any of the radical right replying to this:
Quote[/b] ]The Prez': #So the first thing I want you to think about is, when you hear Patriot Act, is that we changed the law and the bureaucratic mind-set to allow for the sharing of information. It's vital. And others will describe what that means.
Secondly, there are such things as roving wiretaps. Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so. It's important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution.
"A wiretap requires a court order."
Now that's bovine excretement if I ever saw it!
Spin this one away please. #I wish to be amused. # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
"because we value the Constitution." # Bwaaahaaaahaaaaa!
Hmmm. #Interesting, no takers. #Why no reply, you Rush-Heads?
Still waiting. #None of you rabid neocons have the kahonies to address this?
I'll post this daily until I get an answer.
Amuse me. #I demand it.
still waiting ... and waiting ... see ya tomorrow
Promise!
KC9IUX
06-09-2006, 02:12 AM
The comparison is valid in some ways, extreme in others.
The valid part is, consolidation of power in one mans hands. Hitler was elected, then expanded the power he started with, due to a "terrorist attack". The Reichstag allowed him to have the powers of a dictator, for the protection of "The Homeland".
Ernst Rohm wasn't killed due to being a homosexual, with a taste for young boys, but for further consolidation of power to trusted cronies.
kc7jty
06-09-2006, 05:32 PM
Quote[/b] (kd8bsr @ June 06 2006,17:42)]kc7jty: Quote[/b] ]You can't put your foot up your neighbor dog's @ss when it craps on your lawn for fear of being convicted of felony animal cruelty
Maybe it's just because I don't like dogs - but I am rather disgusted by the way the barking pieces of $#1t apparently have more rights than I do.
The pecking order in America:
the kids
the pets
the woman
the husband/father/old man/idiot.
Dogs are disgusting, they jump up onto your clothes soiling them then start to put that wet nose everywhere while the owner says "oh, don't worry, he/she doesn't bite".
kg4heb
06-09-2006, 09:19 PM
Hey . I went and voted and it wasn't for BUSH . Blame those who where stupid enough to vote for'em . The guy showed what an ASS he was in the debates and still became president 2x's http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif WHO'S THE BIGGER FOOL ? A FOOL OR A FOOL WHO FOLLOWS A FOOL ?