View Full Version : Stopping Child Exploitation
KA8NCR
05-30-2006, 05:59 PM
Here it comes; the government is meeting with telcom officials asking them to record the online activities of their customers.
Now, I'm all for stopping the exploitation of children. But I refused to let them shred the Constitution to do it. It's just getting completely out of hand.
I think there needs to be a march on Washington. Five million unannounced guests in the Mall might get their attention.
http://news.com.com/2100-1028_3-6077654.html
KF0RT
05-30-2006, 06:25 PM
I know where they can find some Catholic priests that appear to be getting a "free ride" in such cases. How 'bout cleaning that up before worrying about Joe six-pack?
73, Rob
WD8OQX
05-31-2006, 03:12 AM
A start would be to take all the porn & other adult stuff & put it on the .XXX domain like some are trying to get done. Then it would be a simple matter of blocking that domain - from either end.
As far as the chats go - let me think on it & I'll get back to you...
Quote[/b] (WD8OQX @ May 30 2006,20:12)]A start would be to take all the porn & other adult stuff & put it on the .XXX domain like some are trying to get done. Then it would be a simple matter of blocking that domain - from either end.
The religious right freaked out about that suggestion and derailed the plan. It means they are either unimaginably stupid, or they are afraid they won't be able to surf porn after it is done..
WD8OQX
05-31-2006, 03:59 PM
Well, personally, I'd like to see it ALL GONE. But being realistic about it - that will never happen. Not in this world, anyway.
In the previous post I mentioned chats - It completely slipped my mind (maybe took it for granted) but I live in Greenville, Ohio - Yes, the place where they did the "pervert" bust that was on TV. It was reported that 18 got nabbed but rumored as a lot more. So, here at least, there IS something being done.
KD6NIG
05-31-2006, 04:51 PM
I always find it funny that the parents of these exploited children don't seem to even remotely have the desire to monitor thier children's internet usage.
Not that its right because they don't, but it does make you wonder where a lot of these kids' parents are when they are online.
The end result will be the government having to monitor simply because we'd rather they do the job of parenting. Lord knows having to keep an eye on your kid may cut into that Starbucks time.
Sure there are others to blame, but with all of the monitoring software out there that could be installed by PARENTS to do this kind of logging, it really makes you wonder.
WB2WIK
05-31-2006, 06:27 PM
Even more amusing (?) is that since most people using their home computers can be traced by their IP addresses and the majority take no precautions to prevent this, the services can create a pretty accurate demographic of who's using their sites.
According to a recent report in the Los Angeles Times (by an international correspondant, and this was not an exclusive), the most popular XXX porno sites get more "hits" from allegedly conservative Muslim users and countries than they get from anywhere else. Google has reported (and they track demographics very well) the same thing: More "lookups" for "nudity," "sex" and similar (many more graphic, possibly disturbing) search terms come from Islamic middle-eastern and island nations than from anywhere else in the world.
I think it would be great if they all shut down permanently, effective today.
Uh oh, maybe that would make the nuts who are using those sites so much grab their guns and head for the streets. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
WB2WIK/6
Quote[/b] ]I think it would be great if they all shut down permanently, effective today.
Uh oh, maybe that would make the nuts who are using those sites so much grab their guns and head for the streets.
Might be worth the inevitable, and as it turns out highly entertaining collective ACLU aneurism.
DHS Press secretary (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12159118/)
The Bush Administration has a lot of information on the subject and should be able to handle the problem.
Quote[/b] (n9xr @ May 31 2006,12:56)]DHS Press secretary (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12159118/)
The Bush Administration has a lot of information on the subject and should be able to handle the problem.
Thank goodness those Homeland Security boys are protecting our loved ones!
KD6NIG
05-31-2006, 08:40 PM
Quote[/b] (AC0H @ May 31 2006,12:25)]Quote[/b] ]I think it would be great if they all shut down permanently, effective today.
Uh oh, maybe that would make the nuts who are using those sites so much grab their guns and head for the streets.
Might be worth the inevitable, and as it turns out highly entertaining collective ACLU aneurism.
Or they might head for local retailers of the stuff, who do still exist even with all of the internet stuff. Though, most towns restrict them, but they all seem to be painted odd colors to stand out whereever they are (at least the ones in Stockton are...you can pick them out a mile away!) There is one here with a 'bar' (I won't go into details) that somehow wound up next door to a church. I think the church wasn't there when it started up but I don't know, only lived here 3 years.
But the bottom line is, I think the govt just wants access to monitor whats actually being transmitted. The way the internet works nowadays, nothing can really be done without an IP. Sure, they have those anonymous servers that can supposedly hide your true IP, but it doesn't take much sleuthing to find out who is doing what where. Google and other search engines archive search information to supposedly track 'habits of users to present ads that may interest them' but come on folks, in a heartbeat that data can be searched via IP, I'm sure. Not too much of a stretch.
Anyone who thinks they can be on the internet and be totally anonymous definetely doesn't know much about how it works. That, and the simple fact that most stuff on the internet doesn't come free ("xxx" material included) means there's gonna be a trail...be it a money trail, an IP trail, or some other kind of trail. Sure, I don't want uncle sam seeing what I sent in an email to my mom, but if they are already looking now it wouldn't shock me too much. It doesn't take much for someone to plug in and 'read all the bits' as they go by, and people need to realise this.
As for the kids being stalked online, its not right, but it seems awfully funny that parents allow thier kids to post stuff on the internet and not care what it is. Or they do care and don't have enough power to tell them to remove it?
Some basic parenting would stop a good portion of this in its tracks. I don't know where it all started, but this kind of stuff is where its taking us, and its going to happen because parents expect the computer to be the babysitter. Used to be the TV, but the internet has taken over. At least with the TV you only had to worry about what visual and audio came out of it. The internet is a 2 way street, and monitoring of it is a definete need, and thats the bottom line.
It looks like people cannot take matters into thier own hands, so it will be up to our government to, and most of todays parents, honestly, are going to welcome it. Keeps them from having to do it themselves.
Sure, the ACLU and others will slow it down, but the freight train got rolling when parents stopped caring about what thier kids did online, and didn't take any steps themselves to at least let thier kids know they were watching, even if only by a logging program.
They didn't do it for themselves, so here comes Uncle Sam to do it for you.
But, lets be honest. The only true way to avoid anything bad on the internet? Unplug.
KF0RT
05-31-2006, 10:42 PM
Quote[/b] (WB2WIK @ May 31 2006,12:27)]According to a recent report in the Los Angeles Times (by an international correspondant, and this was not an exclusive), the most popular XXX porno sites get more "hits" from allegedly conservative Muslim users and countries than they get from anywhere else. Google has reported (and they track demographics very well) the same thing: More "lookups" for "nudity," "sex" and similar (many more graphic, possibly disturbing) search terms come from Islamic middle-eastern and island nations than from anywhere else in the world.
Around here, it's known that there are two things that increase traffic in the sex trades: The yearly Stock Show and any religious convention.
73, Rob
KA9VQF
05-31-2006, 11:42 PM
Believe it or not there are still a lot of parents who are computer literate. I know one couple who don’t even know how to turn on their computer. Their kids do and use it unrestricted all the time.
They made the mistake or letting the kids use their credit card to order something that the kids had shown them on the computer. That one purchase was supposed to be all that was paid for. They were real surprised when just over a thousand dollars worth of charges appeared on their credit card on the next billing cycle.
They didn’t seem to notice when all the stuff started showing up at their door. What was incredible to me was that the credit card company didn’t call them and ask about all the activity on their account, and that they just paid the bill instead of having a ‘heart to heart’ with the kids. {if it had been me it would have more of a belt to butt thing}
Everything that they had ordered would have been returned and a lot of grounding would have happened. I think the computer would have been put away or maybe even sold to enforce my point that this was unacceptable behavior. They didn’t even make the kids ‘work off the debt’, just let it slide.
They still have the computer and have even upgraded to a DSL line. They are still computer literate but at least their kids haven’t charged a bunch or stuff lately.
KD6NIG
06-01-2006, 01:50 PM
Ironically enough:
Yes, faux news, but still..... (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,196455,00.html)
Some states are looking at the use of GPS, but as usual, the application of it won't be universal across the board.
KD6NIG
06-01-2006, 02:03 PM
Quote[/b] (KA9VQF @ May 31 2006,16:42)]Believe it or not there are still a lot of parents who are computer literate. I know one couple who don’t even know how to turn on their computer. Their kids do and use it unrestricted all the time.
They made the mistake or letting the kids use their credit card to order something that the kids had shown them on the computer. That one purchase was supposed to be all that was paid for. They were real surprised when just over a thousand dollars worth of charges appeared on their credit card on the next billing cycle.
They didn’t seem to notice when all the stuff started showing up at their door. What was incredible to me was that the credit card company didn’t call them and ask about all the activity on their account, and that they just paid the bill instead of having a ‘heart to heart’ with the kids. {if it had been me it would have more of a belt to butt thing}
Everything that they had ordered would have been returned and a lot of grounding would have happened. I think the computer would have been put away or maybe even sold to enforce my point that this was unacceptable behavior. They didn’t even make the kids ‘work off the debt’, just let it slide.
They still have the computer and have even upgraded to a DSL line. They are still computer literate but at least their kids haven’t charged a bunch or stuff lately.
True, but still, there has to be some culpability. I suppose this 'digital divide' will probably cause the people in the know to have to do the monitoring.
The feds.
But I know exactly what you're saying. My mom is now very savvy on the internet, but when I started, I removed every icon off her desktop except for 3 I created:
CLICK HERE FIRST (the dialer)
CLICK HERE FOR EMAIL (the email program)
CLICK HERE FOR WEBSITES (the browser)
Once she got comfortable, I moved the icons back and relabelled them.
So I definetely know what you mean.
I did once install a monitoring program at the request of a friend of mine. She wasn't computer savvy, but she didn't have to be-the program emailed reports daily to her email, which she could handle. It had other options too. I don't know how much she paid for it, but it logged everything, including typos (if you backspaced, it would still log what you backspaced out) and stuff like that. This was over 5 years ago, so I can imagine what is out there now is more advanced.
Unfortunately, if this goes through, EVERYTHING will be monitored. The internet, though the main focus, isn't the only thing that will be covered. Text messaging is popular, so there goes the cell phone monitoring. It goes on and on....
Sometimes leaps in technology leave a lot of people behind, and unfortunately, means they can't do it themselves. But, I'm sure if you really looked into it, there are people who aren't savvy, and don't care to become savvy either.
Like I said, I don't agree with it, but the problem definetely needs to be solved, and if people aren't going to do it for themselves, then Uncle Sam will have to, at the risk of everyones privacy. Its not going to be the last in the series of things to happen, either. The bottom line is these predators need to be stopped, and something is going to have to give. But its like everything-takes a few people to ruin it for everyone. The internet is a great resource, but like everything, its abused too.
Could be worse though. Orwell predicted it would happen in 1984. He was a few years off, but it definetely looks like its still coming, doesn't it?