What to do with him

[KC7YRA]

So here I am making a wonderful QSO with a gentleman who is putting scouts on the air to talk with me. Then the most obnoxious, loudmouth station in the world come on the air. I try to steer clear to 14.275 all of the time. That frequency is a cess pool of crap that never gets better. I was apparently TOO CLOSE so I was blasted and yelled at with foul language. The poor little children were subjected to this nonsense for what? Being near "his frequency".

And spare me the SPIN THE KNOB garbage. That is the biggest load of passive, roll over and die poop that I have EVER HEARD. I am a law abiding ham who has worked hard to get what I have. the thought of JUST TURN THE KNOB makes my blood run cold. When half of the 20M band is being turned into a dump then I will not just move on.

The stations call is W4JYZ. How in the world do I repot him? Is there a phone number or e-mail that will actually get results? Or are we just destined to put up with this? If so Im gonna build be a 10kw amp and just have my own fun? I have all the recordings, frequencies, times, etc. Where do I send it?

Im not advocating physical violence but georgia isn't too far of a drive. I could do it in a weekend. I have put up with him and his garbage for too long. In a little bit Im going to reccomend the 24/7 14.275 QSO party. Reclaim what is ours.

Brad

[N7RJD]

Brad,

Start here FCC Enforcement Bureau (http://www.fcc.gov/eb/). From here you can find the regional field office and will be able to direct your recordings and logs to them.

Meanwhile, you guys are doing a good thing down there. Don't let one wayward bozo spoil it.

[WA5KRP]

W4JYZ has a history with the FCC. NEXT TIME, be prepared to record your QSO and his possible interference. Tapes are very convincing and I'm sure Riley would love to take this guy to down.

Other than that - you're doing a nice job for those Scouts and amateur radio. SAAAAALUTE!



WA5KRP
Texas

[KB3LIX]

14.275 is a GREAT frequency to avoid.
Seems like quite a few knuckleheads gather there for one purpose or another. At any given hour of the day at least one yo-yo is pontificating, cursing, screaming, playing with their 'Tube with handles' or other foolishness.
It's a shame that a handful of operators can cause SO MUCH Havoc.
Hope the Scouts can ignore IGNORANCE !

[KC0W]

Quote[/b] (KC7YRA @ May 13 2006,19:55)]Im not advocating physical violence but georgia isn't too far of a drive. #I could do it in a weekend. #I have put up with him and his garbage for too long.
So what are you going to do?

Drive to Georgia & track down W4JYZ because he QRM'ed you?..........Get a life.


Tom kcØw

[KC7YRA]

Maybe Im going to go there and tell him I don't like him and think hes a big meaney. What about that?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

Brad

[ai4ep]

If you already knew that the frequency 14.275 is a cesspool of idiots...then why were you there ( or near it ) with children listening to your every word / and the voices over the radio ? Just going by the exact words of your own post...you already knew it, but you showed up nearby anyway.

So now get on my case.

YOUR actions started the whole shebang...he just reacted. YOU transmitted first.

hee hee hee http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

AI4EP (Robert)

[WA9SVD]

It probably WOULD have been wiser to have steered the scouts AWAY from 14.275 BEFORE some jerk could start what you describe. Whether or not you were there first, if some jerk acts up, there is little you can do except move or go QRT. There are miscreants and psychopaths both on the air (witness ex-KG6IRO) and in society in general. But a physical confrontation is not the answer. That could escalate to a rather ugly scene, and could land you in jail or the hospital.
Send recordings to the FCC as described above.

[k4lem]

Anybody want to start a Ham Radio Hall of Shame web site with actual off air recordings and the station's call sign. NA8D has a tape waiting with me. Any others?

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[k4lem]

Anybody want to start a Ham Radio Hall of Shame web site with actual off air recordings and the station's call sign. NA8D has a tape waiting with me. Any others?

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[M3KCK]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ May 13 2006,23:21)]If you already knew that the frequency 14.275 #is a cesspool of idiots...then why were you there ( or near it ) with children listening to your every word / and the voices over the radio #? #Just going by the exact words of your own post...you already knew it, but you showed up nearby anyway.

So now get on my case.

YOUR actions started the whole shebang...he just reacted. # YOU transmitted first.

hee hee hee # # #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

AI4EP (Robert)
I Agree with Robert,

Why have Children using a Frequency or near to one where you Know there could be trouble http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?

If someone wants to Bait these Idiots then fine but don’t drag Children into it http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

That’s not the way to promote Amateur Radio to them,
We hear this Garbage too in the U.K as HF propagates!
73
Regards,
Andrew M3KCK

[KC7YRA]

Quote[/b] (M3KCK @ May 13 2006,16:45)]Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ May 13 2006,23:21)]If you already knew that the frequency 14.275 #is a cesspool of idiots...then why were you there ( or near it ) with children listening to your every word / and the voices over the radio #? #Just going by the exact words of your own post...you already knew it, but you showed up nearby anyway.

So now get on my case.

YOUR actions started the whole shebang...he just reacted. # YOU transmitted first.

hee hee hee # # #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

AI4EP (Robert)
I Agree with Robert,

Why have Children using a Frequency or near to one where you Know there could be trouble http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?

If someone wants to Bait these Idiots then fine but don’t drag Children into it http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

That’s not the way to promote Amateur Radio to them,
We hear this Garbage too in the U.K as HF propagates!
73
Regards,
Andrew # M3KCK
I was NEVER baiting. I figured that these total pieces of flaming garbage would have enough heart to leave the kiddies alone. Too bad it is a burnt piece of roadkill. And why are so many people willing to give up 10KC of 20m? I was NOT on 14.275. I was at 14.278. The frequency was clear and nobody in sight. Why should I just sit there and not make contacts just because some moron who has laid claim to that portion of the band MAY show up. The rest of the band was in use, except for this wasteland. Why should it just sit there?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!!!! I have never NOR WOULD EVER bait somebody. If you want to roll over and just give up a portion of the band then more power to you. If your answer is to JUST AVOID and TURN THE DIAL then I think you are WRONG.

It is your right to be wrong BUT do NOT come in here and accuse me of baiting when I greatly doubt that you even heard the conversation. You are mistaken, and painfully so.

If the band is there I WILL USE IT. Im not gonna run away from old bitter men whos only joy in life is being morons. Why should we (and why are we) bending over backwards to accomidate these people?? Why do people steer clear and just let them do it? And haw dare you M3KCK come in here and make that accusation??? I have never done ANYTHING but promote amateur radio by good operating practices and LEGAL operation. I volunteer lots of time with children and radio. JOTA and KIDS DAY etc. That was a personel SLAP TO MY FACE from somebody who does not know anything about me. POOR POOR taste.

Brad

[M3KCK]

Quote[/b] (KC7YRA @ May 14 2006,01:20)]Quote[/b] (M3KCK @ May 13 2006,16:45)]Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ May 13 2006,23:21)]If you already knew that the frequency 14.275 #is a cesspool of idiots...then why were you there ( or near it ) with children listening to your every word / and the voices over the radio #? #Just going by the exact words of your own post...you already knew it, but you showed up nearby anyway.

So now get on my case.

YOUR actions started the whole shebang...he just reacted. # YOU transmitted first.

hee hee hee # # #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

AI4EP (Robert)
I Agree with Robert,

Why have Children using a Frequency or near to one where you Know there could be trouble http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?

If someone wants to Bait these Idiots then fine but don’t drag Children into it http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

That’s not the way to promote Amateur Radio to them,
We hear this Garbage too in the U.K as HF propagates!
73
Regards,
Andrew # M3KCK
I was NEVER baiting. #I figured that these total pieces of flaming garbage would have enough heart to leave the kiddies alone. #Too bad it is a burnt piece of roadkill. #And why are so many people willing to give up 10KC of 20m? #I was NOT on 14.275. #I was at 14.278. #The frequency was clear and nobody in sight. #Why should I just sit there and not make contacts just because some moron who has laid claim to that portion of the band MAY show up. #The rest of the band was in use, except for this wasteland. #Why should it just sit there?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!!!! #I have never NOR WOULD EVER bait somebody. #If you want to roll over and just give up a portion of the band then more power to you. #If your answer is to JUST AVOID and TURN THE DIAL then I think you are WRONG. #

It is your right to be wrong BUT do NOT come in here and accuse me of baiting when I greatly doubt that you even heard the conversation. #You are mistaken, and painfully so.

If the band is there I WILL USE IT. #Im not gonna run away from old bitter men whos only joy in life is being morons. #Why should we (and why are we) bending over backwards to accomidate these people?? #Why do people steer clear and just let them do it? #And haw dare you M3KCK come in here and make that accusation??? #I have never done ANYTHING but promote amateur radio by good operating practices and LEGAL operation. #I volunteer lots of time with children and radio. #JOTA and KIDS DAY etc. #That was a personel SLAP TO MY FACE from somebody who does not know anything about me. #POOR POOR taste.

Brad
I am Sorry that you feel that way Om,

Its Not my intention to insult you personally, But Anyone who knows that particular Frequency is frequented by Idiots and then holds a Qso with Children on or near that Frequency knowing Full well what may happen then in my OPINION should reconsider?? I call it Common sense!!

I have 3 Young children myself and I would Not expose them to that, Even if there was the slightest chance of it.

But I will come in here and give My Opinion Om just the same as you, But it does not mean that we have to agree!!
73
Regards,
Andrew # M3KCK #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Edit:
To think that Garbage (as you called them) would have Consideration for anyone is Naive

[KG4YUV]

Just a thought--
wouldn't it be fun to be cussed in CW? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
..-. ..-
lol...

[M3KCK]

Robert,
I will have to Agree with you Less often!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
73
Regards,
Andrew M3KCK http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[N0WVA]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ May 13 2006,15:21)]If you already knew that the frequency 14.275 #is a cesspool of idiots...then why were you there ( or near it ) with children listening to your every word / and the voices over the radio #? #Just going by the exact words of your own post...you already knew it, but you showed up nearby anyway.

So now get on my case.

YOUR actions started the whole shebang...he just reacted. # YOU transmitted first.

hee hee hee # # #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

AI4EP (Robert)
Starts with one frequency, then its the whole band. The trash has a tendency to multiply.

[WA2ZDY]

Formerly KF4JYZ. A confirmed old timer for sure with that call.

CQ skipland . . . This be the channel master.

[K4KWH]

Isn't this "gentleman" one of the holdouts from 14.313?

[M3KCK]

Quote[/b] (K4KWH @ May 14 2006,02:31)]Isn't this "gentleman" one of the holdouts from 14.313?
Dont ya mean 3.878 http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[ai4ep]

KCK...I dont see a problem with you agreeing with me.

Neither of us did what he did, why blame you ?

[M3KCK]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ May 14 2006,03:03)]KCK...I dont see a problem with you agreeing with me. #

Neither of us did what he did, why blame you ?
Robert,
I was only joking with my post about Agreeing with you less often!
Quote[/b] ]Robert,
I will have to Agree with you Less often!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
73
Regards,
Andrew M3KCK http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
My Cornish sense of Humour http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
But in saying that I must Agree with you again!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
73
Regards,
Andrew M3KCK

[ai4ep]

I understand.

Also folks need to know the layout of their radio control knobs on the front of the rig...so that IF you hear vulgarity on your receiver, you can rapidly turn the VOLUME knob to the left ( down ) so that it does not get heard by any one ( including yourself ).

I aint too sure what the correct terminology is for that act today ( of rapidly turning the volume knob to the left ), but back in the good-old-days we just called it common sense to know where that knob was over all others.

Amazing how times have changed.

[M3KCK]

Quote[/b] (KC7YRA @ May 14 2006,01:20)]If the band is there I WILL USE IT. #Im not gonna run away from old bitter men whos only joy in life is being morons. #Why should we (and why are we) bending over backwards to accomidate these people?? #Why do people steer clear and just let them do it? #And haw dare you M3KCK come in here and make that accusation??? #
Because on this Occasion Om CHILDREN where Involved!!
73
Regards,
Andrew M3KCK

[KC7YRA]

Ok, I was on 14.278. I called CQ and had several QSOs before I was called by a ham in Colorado stating he had children there for a demonstration. He asked if I would mind talking to some of them. I was more than happy to do so.

There is NOTHING wrong with what I did. Atleast in my opinion. GOD FORBID I try and be a decent ham and be nice to children, GOD FORBID I think that I can legally use some of our designated spectrum.

What I should have done is told the calling station that he should move the children off frequency and that I was unable to talk to them. I should have explained that there were "mean" hams on frequency and that a QSO would be dangerous. I wouldnt try moving however. I had scanned around for some time before and was not able to find a clear calling frequency. There was this HUGE 10khz chunk that was totally clear. but according to you that is CHILDREN FREE.

Good argument here. Dont be angered that the children (and their parents) were subjected to a TERRIBLE view of ham radio. DO however say that I acted inappropriatly and that it was MY Fault that this person berated us. GOOD CALL.

I assume now that you will be posting in another thread that we as hams are not doing enough to get young people into the hobby???

Brad

[KC7YRA]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ May 13 2006,19:25)]I understand.

Also folks need to know the layout of their radio control knobs on the front of the rig...so that IF you hear vulgarity on your receiver, you can rapidly turn the VOLUME knob to the left ( down ) so that it does not get heard by any one ( including yourself ).

I aint too sure what the correct terminology is for that act today ( of rapidly turning the volume knob to the left ), but back in the good-old-days we just called it common sense to know where that knob was over all others.

Amazing how times have changed.
Hey GREAT, Thanks for telling me about the GOOD OLD DAYS. What a fresh angle. I have NEVER heard that argument before.

That is a new spin on JUST TURN THE DIAL however. Instead of changing frequencies we'll just turn the volume down. THAT'LL FIX EVERYTHING!!!! SO instead of attempting to fix the problem, instead of being angered in what is happening, instead of taking a vested interest in our hobby WE"LL just pretend the problem DOESNT EXIST.

Was it common in THE OLD DAYS to just roll over and die when something that was not right infringed upon you? YES SIR, Sound like my grandpa. Kids were tearing up his pastures with their cars. Well, just go to sleep and they'll go away. Poachers shooting the game that he and his family survied on. Just give em a wide bearth and stay out of there way. Broke both his legs in a mine accident. just lay there for awhile and hope it gets better. If that had been him he would have died long before he did and I wouldnt even be here. And I can guarantee that if he were here with me he'd be tellin me that in the GOOD OLD DAYS theyd be raisin a ruckas and either hang or shoot the loudmouth.

I guess he just wasn't old days when it was easy or fashionable. He was all of the time. I dont know where your from or where you are, but it speaks of your character that you wont stand up for whats right AND you'll attack those of us who do.

Brad

[ai4ep]

...Ok BRAD so now you want to get on MY back. ( hee hee hee )

YOU are the one that started this thread.
YOU are the one whining and griping about what happened to YOU.

What ( if any thing besides whine in front of a keyboard ) are YOU going to actually DO about the situation ?

Bases entirely on your actions, so far...nothing else than what you have already done....whine on the internet.

Always remember that when you do contact the FCC with your tape, they will drop what ever they are doing and will actively pursue YOUR complaint...putting all others aside.

Most likely you werent conserned with other amateur radio operators who have had a problem with LIDS on the radio until it happens to you.

NOW he is concerned,
NOW he gives a hoot,
NOW he wants something done about the situation.

yep, this must be a " full moon weekend " in Georgia.

hee hee hee

AI4EP (Robert) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[n8yx]

Quote[/b] (K4KWH @ May 13 2006,18:31)]Isn't this "gentleman" one of the holdouts from 14.313?
Yes, he is.

AFAIK, Mr. Anderson has received at least one NAL for misconduct on the 20M band. This was for malicious interference.

I'm with the OP in that this sort of misconduct needs be be addressed, rather than ignored.

Tape the conversations/jamming/etc and send the tapes. Mr. Hollingsworth has little use for repeat offenders, especially those who think they're 'bulletproof" and openly engage in bad behavior...

[k5phw]

I agree. Make their misery your mission in life. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
There is no excuse for being a potty mouth on the air.



Clyde

[KB5WX]

Quote[/b] (M3KCK @ May 13 2006,19:00)]Quote[/b] (K4KWH @ May 14 2006,02:31)]Isn't this "gentleman" one of the holdouts from 14.313?
Dont ya mean 3.878 http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
Or maybe 3.967.5

[W5HTW]

Maybe the difficult part of all this is it is being "aired" here. I have, in the past, taped things I felt seriously violated the rules of ham radio, and sent them in. First I contacted Riley and asked did he want them, and indeed he did.

What I did NOT do, is dash to the internet and complain about it. All that does is get more people wound up at each other, instead of addressing the real problem.

As this thread proves.


I do think if I wanted to enlist the assistance of others in monitoring certain activities, I would come here and seek that assitance. But just to come here and grip really doesn't do much good. As has beendemonstrated.

Addressing for a moment, the Old Days, I've been around a very long time. "Old Days" has to refer to an era. In the 50s and 60s we had a very occasional experience with some ham who got his moonshine froma jar, but you could listen to 75 meters for days and days and not hear such a person.

In the 1970s there were a few more. But it was not until the 1980s that the fan got involved in major manure. Personally I attribute that to the new VEC program, often called the "buddy program." But there were other contributing factors, and some of it was just society in general. As society got more "up yours" in attitude, natureally members of society who became hams brought that attitude into ham radio.

We are living with the results of so many things in society. That doesn't make it easier, of course. What it does do is force those of us who still have respect for ham radio to resign ourselves to the fact that history does not reverse itself. Things are not goin gto get better. Not in ham radio and not in society.

So we do what we can, we enjoy it under whatever circumstance we must, and life goes on. If that means I have to spin the dial, then I guess I have to. I don't like it, but I can't change it.

Still, if I hear extremes in behavior, that can be identified, I'll probably let the authorities know. But folks on QRZ probely won't hear of it.

Ed

[N8CPA]

Some people should not be allowed access to alcohol, firearms and microphones.

[n8yx]

Quote[/b] (N8CPA @ May 14 2006,06:41)]Some people should not be allowed access to alcohol, firearms and microphones.
Or motor vehicles, when any of the previous items are involved...

[ai4ep]

so...am I reading this right...that...if you think you are breaking any of the fcc rules & regulations and really aint sure...to just DO IT and then come to the internet and read some whining about your rule - breaking ?

after all...folks who break the rules CAN read, or at least have their kids read it to them.

[wg7x]

Well...
Brad might have overstated his case a bit, but he does bring up a very valid point: That being that we, as a group, cannot afford to continue ignoring the trouble-makers in the service.

If we continue to "Turn the Knob" or otherwise keep our collective heads in the sand, the bands will degenerate into that much hated mess that other unlicensed services endure.

Is that what we want?

I don't think so. Apparently this one miscreant is well known. Why is he still on the air? We cannot police other services, but it is past time that we begin to actively police our own bands!

If a trouble maker is known and identified, he should be visited by some of his local Amateurs, and counseled on the error of his ways. That is the minimum that should be done. Other more aggressive corrective measures should be contemplated if the initial visit has no effect.

The fact that the "children" might have heard a bad word or two is completely beside the point. I'm not a child, and my vocabulary of bad words is fully populated, but I don't want to hear that crap on the Amateur bands either!

If we continue to turn the knob, the problem frequencies will continue to expand, and before you know it, there will be no place to turn the knob to that is not fully populated with the aforementioned crud, poor operating practices, and general idiocy.

That is not the service that I want, is it what you want?

BTW, if there are any of the LIDS mnetioned in this thread in the Tacoma, WA, area, I'll volunteer to visit.

CUL es 73 Gary WG7X

[KC7YRA]

In addition to coming on here and whining (since everybody else whines bout politics and CB amps on EBAY) I also sent in a FULL repot to the FCC enforcement office AND sound recordings. This was done within 1/2 hour of receiving that information that I initially requested.

So NO, Im not just sitting here. Other action has been done. Good job on reading my mind though. I had originally DROPPED the topic until SEVERAL individuals decided to be "lazy crusaders" and spit out how this was my problem and to "turn the knob".

And since I am never one to back down from lazy peoples advice of "leave it alone", I engaged in my own VERBAL JUDO. If you dont like it then

a. SPIN THE MOUSE and keep going (HA, thats just like your own advice)
b. Quit posting and my little thread will eventually go away.



"Posted: April 26 2006,10:52 QUOTE
...just like the chatter you hear about ---

that lousy president
war in iraq
gas prices

every one talks but no one DOES any thing.

talk is cheap "

Remember posting that ai4ep?? I remember when you did. Now your talkin cheap on those of us taking action. GOOD JOB. Thumbs up. Way to stay the course when the going gets tough.


Brad

[kg4kww]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif CB with CW that's what HF is. CW didn't prevent a toilet mouth from getting on HF, now did it kiddies. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ May 14 2006,09:11)] http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif CB with CW that's what HF is. CW didn't prevent a toilet mouth from getting on HF, now did it kiddies. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif


You have no idea how many "toilet mouths" CW has kept off HF. The fact that a few rotten apples got through proves nothing in that debate.

Kudos to Brad for standing up.

73, Rob

[KC0W]

Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ May 14 2006,15:11)][b] http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #CB with CW that's what HF is. CW didn't prevent a toilet mouth from getting on HF, now did it kiddies. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
If you believe HF is a CB band, why do you post your 75 meter DX spots on QRZ? Too bad you can only post spots & not work the guys. Did the CW requirement prevent a "toilet mouth" from getting on SSB? No. But it does prevent bad op's from getting on CW.

I will look for you to spot me from Martinique as TOØO from June 5 - 24 on 3.795 MHz...........Oh I forgot, you think HF is a CB band.


Tom kcØw

[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (KC0W @ May 14 2006,09:50)]I will look for you to spot me from Martinique as TOØO from June 5 - 24 on 3.795 MHz...........Oh I forgot, you think HF is a CB band.
You going to be doing any CW from TOØ, Tom? I'll try on SSB, but with my antenna on 80, it'll be a long shot.

73, Rob

[KC0W]

Yes, I will be on CW mostly.

In my past trips as TOØO I have been 100% CW only..........I plan on working a few thousand Q's with SSB this time around for laughs.

If all goes according to plan, I should break my last years total of 14,000 CW QSO's


See ya,



Tom kcØw

[N8CPA]

There's no such thing as a perfect filter any more than there's a perfect insecticide. You can douse your infested house with irradiated kerosene and a few cockroaches WILL survive. That a few lids get through the filter doesn't mean remove the filter anymore than the assured survival of a few roaches means don't call the exterminator.

And it is worth pointing out yet again that this kind of nonsense is almost unheard of in CW portions. Since the highest profile problems almost invariably involve microphones and keyboards, maybe they should be banned!

[KB3LIX]

Brad,

BRAVO
BRAVO
BRAVO

Good work, and Keep the Faith !
Toilet mouths need to GO ! There is NO PLACE for them on the Amateur Bands.
This SHOULD be a safe place for all to gather and enjoy each others company with out fear of knuckleheads and Ding-A-Lings ruining the environment.

CW or NO CW, there is no place here for these types of CREEPS !

[WA9SVD]

Brad,

You did the correct thing; you sent a complaint, along with recording(s) to the FCC. That's good.

But taking things into your own hands (as some have suggested) is not the answer, and could cause untold damage to yourself as well as Amateur Radio.
Resorting to any kind of confrontation, whether verbal or physical would cast you or anyone in a poor light, and you would be lowering yourself to the level of the jerks that upset you so much.

Although you don't like the answer "turn the dial," there's little else to do in "Real time."
But W5HTW is correct; Amateur Radio today reflects society in general, and that society is not perfect; not by a long shot. And it is not what it used to be. In the past, kids could walk to school or ride their bikes in their own neighborhood safely; now there are creeps that seem to be lurking around every corner. Or in every school. Is it any surprise that the creeps also show up on certain frequencies? And what can be done to protect children from those creeps? Certainly, steer clear of areas where the creeps hang out. And report them to the authorities, (as you have done.) But it is for the authorities to enforce the law, not individual citizens.

[k4kyv]

Quote[/b] (WA2ZDY @ May 13 2006,18:19)]Formerly KF4JYZ. A confirmed old timer for sure with that call.

CQ skipland . . . This be the channel master.
That's one reason I never attempted to get a vanity callsign. I had pondered the idea of a 1 X 2 with a W prefix, but shortly after the vanity program went into effect, a bunch of ex-CB'er lids (who still used CB lingo over the air), formerly holding callsigns with very recently-issued formats, all showed up with W4 1 X 2's.

That told me two things. (1) The Extra Class ticket had become practically meaningless. From listening to those guys' conversations, they wouldn't have had the technical ability to distinguish a transistor from a resistor. How did they ever pass the Extra exam? (2) The 1 X 2, which used to indicate a veteran amateur with years of experience, and once the FCC started re-issuing 1X2's to Extra class, an above average degree of technical knowledge and code proficiency (this was before the 5 wpm dumbdown), no longer had any real significance.

I decided that since amateurs all over the country and in other parts of the world knew me by the callsign I had held since 1959, and the fact that I was the only person who had ever held my present callsign, I didn't want to be re-issued a dead man's call that no longer meant a thing. So I opted to keep my longtime original callsign.

[WA9SVD]

Quote[/b] (k4kyv @ May 14 2006,13:28)]Quote[/b] (WA2ZDY @ May 13 2006,18:19)]Formerly KF4JYZ. A confirmed old timer for sure with that call.

CQ skipland . . . This be the channel master.
That's one reason I never attempted to get a vanity callsign. I had pondered the idea of a 1 X 2 with a W prefix, but shortly after the vanity program went into effect, a bunch of ex-CB'er lids (who still used CB lingo over the air), formerly holding callsigns with very recently-issued formats, all showed up with W4 1 X 2's.

That told me two things. (1) The Extra Class ticket had become practically meaningless. From listening to those guys' conversations, they wouldn't have had the technical ability to distinguish a transistor from a resistor. How did they ever pass the Extra exam? (2) The 1 X 2, which used to indicate a veteran amateur with years of experience, and once the FCC started re-issuing 1X2's to Extra class, an above average degree of technical knowledge and code proficiency (this was before the 5 wpm dumbdown), no longer had any real significance.

I decided that since amateurs all over the country and in other parts of the world knew me by the callsign I had held since 1959, and the fact that I was the only person who had ever held my present callsign, I didn't want to be re-issued a dead man's call that no longer meant a thing. So I opted to keep my longtime original callsign.
I agree whole heartedly! After 25 years as a Tech (the "test at the FCC office with send and receive one minute of perfect code, followed by the written exam" type of Tech) I was able to but a transceover, and after working 10 Meters for a few years, I decided to upgrade to General. I was more than satisfied with that. But after joining a club with a well-known club station, I found myself the control operator (sometimes the sole operator) and with some encouragement, I finally upgraded to Extra. But now after 40 years, I can't see changing my call, even if something attractive were available. My call is my own; never before issued to anyone else. It's not really special, but it DOES indicate "time in service." But with the vanity system, there's no longer that distinction.
I don't begrudge anyone using the vanity system; it's just that SOME operators think that working their way fromm zip to Extra in two years, and getting a vanity 1x2 call gives them the idea that the call bestows upon them the "wisdom of the ages" about Amateur Radio, and they know everything there is to know about technical issues and operating practices. Tain't so, I'm afraid.
Just yesterday I heard a 1x2 [obviously a vanity call, for various reasons, including age, according to QRZ] telling a recent Extra with a sequential (2x3) call that DX was good the day before, and insisted in a somewhat heated "discussion" that a G3 prefix [as in G3xyz] stood for "Germany." More like "geographically impaired... Or just plain goofy.)

[KB3LIX]

I'm a NEWBIE, I freely admit. I am going to stick with my sequential 2x3 too, only because I could get a neat 1x2 or 2x1, but the only one I am fooling is......ME.

Why try to bluff your way into something ?
If someone wants to ignore because of my new call, so be it ! I didn't want to talk to them anyhow because they have a 'Thing' for new ops, us 'LITES"

BTW, I like the G3, Germany reference......even I know where a G3 is from.

Guatemala........Right ?

[ai4ep]

g - 3 wouldnt that be a 3 letter word starting with the letter g ?

git

[w8cbc]

G3 - that would be something spacy like L5, wouldn't it? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[M3KCK]

G3 http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

That’s an Amateur (Om) from Great Britain http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
You lot need to Work more DX
73
Regards,
Andrew M3KCK

[N7RJD]

Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ May 14 2006,02:11)]CW didn't prevent a toilet mouth from getting on HF, now did it kiddies. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
It's keeping you off. That's all you need to worry about. Worry about the rest once/if you ever get there.

[N7RJD]

Brad,

As I have said before, you guys are doing good things down there in College Station. Don't let a few wayward bozo's get to you whether on the air or tearing you down on the internet.

Do continue to record and report problems. I may not jump in with the same level of excitement you are over this problem but am sure that would change had it happened to me. Some will say they just avoid that area of the band but let's face it, the problem children can turn their dial and follow if they so choose. Spinning the dial is a bandaid on a bullet wound.

Some of the backlash you are getting on here is from the usual suspects and not worth a wooden nickel. Just keep up with the good job you guys are doing down there.

I was able to get on with Mike down there last week and have to tell you again how good that station sounds.

On a lighter note: When you get back home don't you think we should change license plates? Cheyenne should have 1 and Casper can have 2. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[KB3LIX]

Quote[/b] (M3KCK @ May 14 2006,19:36)]G3 #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

That’s an Amateur (Om) from Great Britain #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
You lot need to Work more DX
73
Regards,
Andrew # M3KCK
Andrew,
I was attempting humor !

Sorry, I know quite well that G, M, 2E, GI, MM, and MW
among others are UK prefixes.

To date, most of the UK amateurs I have worked have been G something.

SORRY !

[ai4ep]

ok kids abouther round of BINGO coming up later... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[M3KCK]

Bill,
No need for apologies!

I thought it was humorous http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

I too keep attempting humour, But my Cornish sense of humour is somewhat warped!
I do try to express it with the use of these.... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

G`s are grumpy Om`s anyway http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
73
Regards,
Andrew M3KCK

[n8yx]

Quote[/b] (KC7YRA @ May 13 2006,12:55)]So here I am making a wonderful QSO with a gentleman who is putting scouts on the air to talk with me. Then the most obnoxious, loudmouth station in the world come on the air. I try to steer clear to 14.275 all of the time. That frequency is a cess pool of crap that never gets better. I was apparently TOO CLOSE so I was blasted and yelled at with foul language. The poor little children were subjected to this nonsense for what? Being near "his frequency".

The stations call is W4JYZ.
I put a couple of receivers on 20M today while in the shack and listened a bit to Donnie & Co...

He's got the wit and witicism of a wooden fence post and a monologue which would turn Ben Stein green with envy were he to hear it.

But not once did I hear anything foul emanate from his mouth. Not even a 'Damn'.

Come to think about it, I've never heard him get bent at anyone to the point of cursing at them when I've been around the high end of 20. Yes, he has the conversational skills of a termite at times...but mixing it up on the air just isn't his style.

You sure you got the right person? There are a few others who hang out around 275 that would be more than glad to chew you a new one for impinging on 'their' frequency...

[ai4ep]

Maybe some day when all these LIDS on hf hit the big time, they will be on satellite, like "what-is-his-name " .??

[WA9SVD]

Quote[/b] (M3KCK @ May 14 2006,16:36)]G3 http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

That’s an Amateur (Om) from Great Britain http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
You lot need to Work more DX
73
Regards,
Andrew M3KCK
Andrew,

YOU know that (about a G3 suprefix), and I know that. But some new operators (I decline to use the term "newbies") do not know, and are not yet familiar with DX, and DX calls from here in the states. That is NOT to berate THEM, but for those that "think they know it all" with a vanity call, I guess there's a place reserved in the "Eternal Aethereal World not known as Heaven" when they lead others astray, or provide them with misinformation.
That really is the antithesis of the Amateur Code, and the ideal of "Elmering."

Then again, I have a difficult time figuring out the difference between your "G" and "M" calls, although I seem to understand the "M" calls are similar to our Tech class, and "G" calls are more advanced or experienced operators. I hope to meet you on the air sometime.

[G8ADD]

Quote[/b] (M3KCK @ May 14 2006,17:38)]G`s are grumpy Om`s anyway #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
73
Regards,
Andrew #M3KCK
Guilty as charged!!!

73

Brian G8ADD

[M3KCK]

Amateur Radio Call-sign Allocations

CLASS A # # # # # # CLASS B
G2 + 2 letters # # # #G6 + 3 letters
G2 + 3 letters # # # #G8 + 3 letters
G3 + 2 letters # # # #G1 + 3 letters
G3 + 3 letters # # # # #G7 + 3 letters
G4 + 2 letters # # # #M1 + 3 letters
G4 + 3 letters # # # #2E1 + 3 letters (Intermediate )
G5 + 2 letters
G5 + 3 letters
G6 + 2 letters
G8 + 2 letters
G0 + 3 letters
M0 + 3 letters
M5 + 3 letters
2E0 + 3 letters (Intermediate)

Foundation
M3 + 3 Letters

We now have the Foundation Licence Call sign M3 + 3 letters
The Intermediate, Call sign 2EØ + 3 letters
The Advance, Call sign MØ + 3 letters

All the others above are still valid,
The G & M Prefix was given to the U.K after 1912 I believe after the Titanic sinking?
73
Regards,
Andrew # M3KCK.

edit:
And GB3... for Special event stations. And GB2..

Confused? Who & Where is a Amateur with the Call sign MMØABC/P http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[ei5ja]

Quote[/b] (k4lem @ May 13 2006,16:41)]Anybody want to start a Ham Radio Hall of Shame web site with actual off air recordings and the station's call sign. NA8D has a tape waiting with me. Any others?

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Nice idea, but it would probably assume cult status over time. Then every idiot would start creating havoc to get on the "offenders" list. Could be self defeating.
73 Ed http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[ai4ep]

yep...be like a dude on the " FBI 10 most wanted list " going by the post office to be sure his picture was still up on the wall.

If not, commit another crime to put it right back up there.

[ab8ma]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ May 15 2006,00:31)]ok kids abouther round of BINGO coming up later... # #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Great idea. How about 14.275 ? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[WA9SVD]

Quote[/b] (M3KCK @ May 15 2006,04:24)]Amateur Radio Call-sign Allocations

CLASS A CLASS B
G2 + 2 letters G6 + 3 letters
G2 + 3 letters G8 + 3 letters
G3 + 2 letters G1 + 3 letters
G3 + 3 letters G7 + 3 letters
G4 + 2 letters M1 + 3 letters
G4 + 3 letters 2E1 + 3 letters (Intermediate )
G5 + 2 letters
G5 + 3 letters
G6 + 2 letters
G8 + 2 letters
G0 + 3 letters
M0 + 3 letters
M5 + 3 letters
2E0 + 3 letters (Intermediate)

Foundation
M3 + 3 Letters

We now have the Foundation Licence Call sign M3 + 3 letters
The Intermediate, Call sign 2EØ + 3 letters
The Advance, Call sign MØ + 3 letters

All the others above are still valid,
The G & M Prefix was given to the U.K after 1912 I believe after the Titanic sinking?
73
Regards,
Andrew M3KCK.

edit:
And GB3... for Special event stations. And GB2..

Confused? Who & Where is a Amateur with the Call sign MMØABC/P http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
Andrew,

That gets to be a bit confusing? (Worse than here in the States!) Can you explain Class A and Class B?
I'm well aware of the special event calls, having made contact with your GB5O station at Windsor Castle on your Queen's celebration, and yes, it was a stretch on 17 Meters. But as a Wireless operator at "ex-GB5QM" I made it a point to contact that station from our club station. If you ever visit the states' Left Coast, I or another operator will be glad to greet you when you come aboard!

(BTW, it's good that your country and ours FINALLY approved of third party comms after all these years!)


73.

[M3KCK]

Quote[/b] (wa9svd @ May 16 2006,06:45)]Quote[/b] (M3KCK @ May 15 2006,04:24)]Amateur Radio Call-sign Allocations

CLASS A # # # # # # CLASS B
G2 + 2 letters # # # #G6 + 3 letters
G2 + 3 letters # # # #G8 + 3 letters
G3 + 2 letters # # # #G1 + 3 letters
G3 + 3 letters # # # # #G7 + 3 letters
G4 + 2 letters # # # #M1 + 3 letters
G4 + 3 letters # # # #2E1 + 3 letters (Intermediate )
G5 + 2 letters
G5 + 3 letters
G6 + 2 letters
G8 + 2 letters
G0 + 3 letters
M0 + 3 letters
M5 + 3 letters
2E0 + 3 letters (Intermediate)

Foundation
M3 + 3 Letters

We now have the Foundation Licence Call sign M3 + 3 letters
The Intermediate, Call sign 2EØ + 3 letters
The Advance, Call sign MØ + 3 letters

All the others above are still valid,
The G & M Prefix was given to the U.K after 1912 I believe after the Titanic sinking?
73
Regards,
Andrew # M3KCK.

edit:
And GB3... for Special event stations. And GB2..

Confused? Who & Where is a Amateur with the Call sign MMØABC/P http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
Andrew,

# #That gets to be a bit confusing? #(Worse than here in the States!) #Can you explain Class A and Class B?
# #I'm well aware of the special event calls, having made contact with your GB5O station at Windsor Castle on your Queen's celebration, and yes, it was a stretch on 17 Meters. #But as a Wireless operator at "ex-GB5QM" I made it a point to contact that station from our club station. #If you ever visit the states' Left Coast, I or another operator will be glad to greet you when you come aboard!

(BTW, it's good that your country and ours FINALLY approved of third party comms after all these years!)


73.
The Class A Licence was the old Full Licence,

The Class B Licence was the old Novice Licence,

But there was Class A Full and Class B Full
Class A had taken the Morse Code test and had access to HF and Class B did not.

Then the Novice (B) who did not take the Morse test and was limited to Above HF.

In 2003 the Morse test was dropped and All class B licence holders where Automatically upgraded to Full (A) and had access to HF.

In 2002 The Foundation Licence was introduced (M3) and B Licence holders took the Foundation exam to get on HF as it did Not Require a Morse test as such!!

The Licence class has been restructured now and we just have the Foundation & Intermediate (old Novice) and the Advance (old Full) And everyone who had there licence Before keeps the Same Call sign and if they had a B licence are Now a A licence!!

So in effect we No longer have an A or B licence.
I Hope this Helps #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

As in my last post....
We now have the Foundation Licence Call sign M3 + 3 letters
The Intermediate, Call sign 2EØ + 3 letters
The Advance, Call sign MØ + 3 letters

And Everyone else keeps their old Call signs,
73
Regards,
Andrew # M3KCK

edit:
The MMØABC/P #Is a Advance licence holder in Scotland operating Portable.

And I should mention that U.K Amateurs can have up to 3 Call signs!! (for each grade of licence) As when we upgrade we get to Keep our old Call sign as long as we keep the licence renewed each year.

[KA4DPO]

Quote[/b] (M3KCK @ May 16 2006,06:21)]Quote[/b] (wa9svd @ May 16 2006,06:45)]Quote[/b] (M3KCK @ May 15 2006,04:24)]Amateur Radio Call-sign Allocations

CLASS A # # # # # # CLASS B
G2 + 2 letters # # # #G6 + 3 letters
G2 + 3 letters # # # #G8 + 3 letters
G3 + 2 letters # # # #G1 + 3 letters
G3 + 3 letters # # # # #G7 + 3 letters
G4 + 2 letters # # # #M1 + 3 letters
G4 + 3 letters # # # #2E1 + 3 letters (Intermediate )
G5 + 2 letters
G5 + 3 letters
G6 + 2 letters
G8 + 2 letters
G0 + 3 letters
M0 + 3 letters
M5 + 3 letters
2E0 + 3 letters (Intermediate)

Foundation
M3 + 3 Letters

We now have the Foundation Licence Call sign M3 + 3 letters
The Intermediate, Call sign 2EØ + 3 letters
The Advance, Call sign MØ + 3 letters

All the others above are still valid,
The G & M Prefix was given to the U.K after 1912 I believe after the Titanic sinking?
73
Regards,
Andrew # M3KCK.

edit:
And GB3... for Special event stations. And GB2..

Confused? Who & Where is a Amateur with the Call sign MMØABC/P http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
Andrew,

# #That gets to be a bit confusing? #(Worse than here in the States!) #Can you explain Class A and Class B?
# #I'm well aware of the special event calls, having made contact with your GB5O station at Windsor Castle on your Queen's celebration, and yes, it was a stretch on 17 Meters. #But as a Wireless operator at "ex-GB5QM" I made it a point to contact that station from our club station. #If you ever visit the states' Left Coast, I or another operator will be glad to greet you when you come aboard!

(BTW, it's good that your country and ours FINALLY approved of third party comms after all these years!)


73.
The Class A Licence was the old Full Licence,

The Class B Licence was the old Novice Licence,

But there was Class A Full and Class B Full
Class A had taken the Morse Code test and had access to HF and Class B did not.

Then the Novice (B) who did not take the Morse test and was limited to Above HF.

In 2003 the Morse test was dropped and All class B licence holders where Automatically upgraded to Full (A) and had access to HF.

In 2002 The Foundation Licence was introduced (M3) and B Licence holders took the Foundation exam to get on HF as it did Not Require a Morse test as such!!

The Licence class has been restructured now and we just have the Foundation & Intermediate (old Novice) and the Advance (old Full) And everyone who had there licence Before keeps the Same Call sign and if they had a B licence are Now a A licence!!

So in effect we No longer have an A or B licence.
I Hope this Helps #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

As in my last post....
We now have the Foundation Licence Call sign M3 + 3 letters
The Intermediate, Call sign 2EØ + 3 letters
The Advance, Call sign MØ + 3 letters

And Everyone else keeps their old Call signs,
73
Regards,
Andrew # M3KCK

edit:
The MMØABC/P #Is a Advance licence holder in Scotland operating Portable.

And I should mention that U.K Amateurs can have up to 3 Call signs!! (for each grade of licence) As when we upgrade we get to Keep our old Call sign as long as we keep the licence renewed each year.
Andrew, do you ever get on 40 between 7.150 and 7.180? I thought the UK had opened that part of the band to voice communications but I don't hear a lot of stations comming in from over your way.

John..

[M3KCK]

Quote[/b] (KA4DPO @ May 16 2006,14:40)]Andrew, do you ever get on 40 between 7.150 and 7.180? #I thought the UK had opened that part of the band to voice communications but I don't hear a lot of stations comming in from over your way.

John..
Hi John,

We still have broadcast stations on 40m from 7.100 - 7.200 until 2009 I believe, So we have this on a Secondary basis.

So this part of the band is only useful at certain times of the day.

I should also mention that the old Full A and B took the Same Exam and the Only difference was the A took the Morse test. This In-Justice was resolved in 2003.

Perhaps we could arrange a sked on 40 John? I dont hear many stations from your part of the world between 7.000 - 7.100
es 73
Regards,
Andrew M3KCK

[WA9SVD]

Perhaps we could arrange a sked on 40 John? I dont hear many stations from your part of the world between 7.000 - 7.100
================================
Andrew,

That's because that part of 40 M in "our part of the world" is mostly CW and/or digital, and our (U.S.) phone privileges start at 7.150 MHz, ending at 7.300 MHz. (Not sure what the Canadian, Mexican or South Amarican allocations are with respect to phone vs. CW privileges in our slice of 40 Meters here in Region II.)

[M3KCK]

Hi John,
From 7.000 - 7.035 is CW

From 7.035 - 7.040 is All Narrow band modes

From 7.040 - 7.045 is All Modes

From 7.045 - 7.200 is CW & SSB

Thanks for your Info John, This explains why I very rare hear USA stations below 7.100

I do remember the 3YØX Dxpedition station working Split on 7.080 and listening on 7.225 (approx)
No good to us here!
I hope to work you one day,
es 73
Regards,
Andrew # M3KCK.

edit:
So I guess when I have heard a USA station below 7.100 on SSB they have been operating Illegally, So Good job I never had a contact with them or I would be Violating the terms of my own Licence!!

[G8ADD]

Around dawn here stations from the USA come in like locals just above 7.15, but in the week I don't have enough time to call them, and weekends I catch up on lost sleep!

If I can add one thing to Andrew's explanation of our callsigns, you will notice that there are no 9's. 9 is reserved for experimental licences and I think were also issued secretly to the cadre of a resistance network in case of invasion during WW2 - so if you hear a 9 ignore him!

We have so many prefixes because normally when a sequence is exhausted any SK callsign is not reissued except in special circumstances, such as to a close relative of the SK. Until recently callsigns were issued in strict rotation; if you fancied a particular callsign you had to wait for it to come to the top of the pile. Thus for callsigns issued more than a few years ago you knew when they were issued. Some of us are uncomfortable with this having come to an end!

73

Brian G8ADD (Sept 1964!)

PS in edit. I've just noticed that Andrew refers to the B licence as a novice licence. No such thing. It was initially issued to people who had passed the full technical exam but not the code test - at that time 12 wpm - and was valid for 70 cm and above. In 1964 when this class began there was NO commercial equipment and getting on the air was a worthy technical challenge! A couple of years later 2m was added by which time you could go out and buy 70 cm gear. The early G8's, far from being novices, were of a high degree of technical proficiency for the time and tended to go higher in frequency seeking out technical challenges as 70 and then 23 cm got easier. I was an exception, being more fascinated by anaprop condx!