The Q codes

[VE7NOT]

I'm looking over a list from western union - railroaders code list of block codes. Uh... they are whay simpler then the q-codes... I mean 73 and 88 are carry-overs... but I mean most of the q-codes can be translated into these number codes.

EX.

23 instead of cq

12 instead of qsl

134 instead of qra

BTW trivia.. who is the only station that can send 95?

Here: RR&WU codes (http://www.morsetelegraphclub.org/files/WU92Codes.pdf)

[VE3EN]

id much rather hear the word cq than 23.

if you dont know what qsl means, without having to refer to a number.. thats unfortunate.

we are not railroaders, we are hams. Stick with tradition.

Thats just my thought, nothing more.. nothing less.

*73* http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[wb7dmx]

why would anyone want to ?

I'm happy the way things are, been this way as long as I can remember, and can't think of any good reason to change a good thing that has been working for many years.

NOT, man ya gotta get rid of thoes CB thoughts.
LOL

[w8cbc]

Besides that, if you send 23 too many times, fnords will come get you in the night. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[W5HTW]

Is it April 1 again already?

[VE7NOT]

Quote[/b] (wb7dmx @ May 11 2006,21:02)]why would anyone want to ?

I'm happy the way things are, been this way as long as I can remember, and can't think of any good reason to change a good thing that has been working for many years.

NOT, man ya gotta get rid of thoes CB thoughts.
LOL
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif These are a good 50 years before cb

[wb7dmx]

Quote[/b] (VE7NOT @ May 11 2006,21:13)]Quote[/b] (wb7dmx @ May 11 2006,21:02)]why would anyone want to ?

I'm happy the way things are, been this way as long as I can remember, and can't think of any good reason to change a good thing that has been working for many years.

NOT, man ya gotta get rid of thoes CB thoughts.
LOL
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #These are a good 50 years before cb
maybe thats why there out dated.

[VE7NOT]

Quote[/b] (wb7dmx @ May 11 2006,21:15)]Quote[/b] (VE7NOT @ May 11 2006,21:13)]Quote[/b] (wb7dmx @ May 11 2006,21:02)]why would anyone want to ?

I'm happy the way things are, been this way as long as I can remember, and can't think of any good reason to change a good thing that has been working for many years.

NOT, man ya gotta get rid of thoes CB thoughts.
LOL
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif These are a good 50 years before cb
maybe thats why there out dated.
since what march http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif for WU

Railroad codes are still used by hubs and the odd rr station keeping code still in line

I'm just curious as to why we ended up with q code on radio when radio's system was adapted from american morse and its codes... I mean... sure we used internation code (the new thign then) but whp started these q-codes?
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif we already could have followed the RR and WU

[VE3EN]

yawn

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (VE7NOT @ May 11 2006,21:28)]I'm just curious as to why we ended up with q code on radio when radio's system was adapted from american morse and its codes... I mean... sure we used internation code (the new thign then) but whp started these q-codes?
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif we already could have followed the RR and WU
Good Question Sim! I found an awesome site at ac6v.com called the ORIGINS OF HAMSPEAK (http://www.ac6v.com/73.htm#qcode)

That site is awesome. Here is an excerpt:
Quote[/b] ] This, combined with the multiplicity of telegraphic codes, caused confusion and made communication with and between US establishments particularly difficult. The US 1908 Dodge's Manual gives today's definition of 73 best regards. Other Dodge numbers were 88 love and kisses, 55 lots of success and 99 get lost (probably unofficial). Also, in 1908, the British Post Office, despairing of action to agree an international code of abbreviations, issued its own list of two letter abbreviations intended for use between British coast stations and ships.

The list, published in the PMG's Instructions to Wireless Telegraphists, included abbreviations RA to RZ and SA to SF. The next International Radiotelegraphic Convention, held in London in July 1912, adopted and extended the GPO abbreviations. Q was added as the first letter and so the Q code was born. The new code now ran from QRA to QRZ and QSA to QSX. On 1st July 1913 the Q code finally became an official international information code, updated as changing circumstances demanded to include new codes relating to such matters as aviation and maritime. Some time later came the Z code, running in parallel with the Q code.

[WA5KRP]

If you think about it, it's damn near impossible for any group to agree on a convention. #FEMA, in its efforts to facilitate interagency communications, strongly discourages the use of 10-codes because of the lack of consistency of translation. #A 10-20 here is not the same as a 10-20 there.

To amateur radio's credit, at least we have agreed upon protocols and conventions that allow us to communicate far more effectively than Dick Tracy and Charley Chickenbander.



WA5KRP
Texas

[KG6YTZ]

Quote[/b] (kd8bsr @ May 11 2006,20:09)]Besides that, if you send 23 too many times, fnords will come get you in the night. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
...and you'd never even see 'em.

[M3KCK]

Yes it sure is not CB,

Control your thoughts om #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

If your interested in the Q-code click this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_Code #

The Q code is a standardized collection of three-letter signals, all starting with the letter "Q", initially developed for commercial radiotelegraph communication, and later adopted by other radio services, especially amateur radio. Although Q codes were created when radio used Morse code exclusively, they continued to be employed after the introduction of voice transmissions. To avoid confusion, transmitter callsigns have often been limited to restrict ones starting with "Q" or having an embedded three-letter Q sequence.
73
Regards,
Andrew # M3KCK

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Come to the Dark Side of The Force, Master Simeon http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[W4HAY]

Another reason for the letter 'Q' is that it almost never appears without being followed by the letter 'U'. Thus Q signals won't be confused with words.

[N8CPA]

Quote[/b] (W4HAY @ May 12 2006,09:21)]Another reason for the letter 'Q' is that it almost never appears without being followed by the letter 'U'. Thus Q signals won't be confused with words.
I think there may be a more ancient reason, but I can't prove it. If my theory is correct, "Q-signal" is an oxymoron.

Check out the etymology of the word "cue." It is a formalized spelling of the Latin abbreviation 'qu' for quando, meaning "when." It was used in academic notes and theater scripts for many centuries after the fall of the Empire. It eventually became synonymous with 'signal.' An actor who delayed an entrance, a gesture, or a line, was said to have missed his 'cue.' [qu]. To signal someone to do something is to 'cue' them.

Isn't it convenient that the name of our letter Q is homonymic with that synonym for signal? Why not just use the letter to indicate a standardized message fragment?

[ky5u]

New Amateur 10-codes:

10-1 I am a Florida Graduate
10-2 I am an LSU Graduate
10-3 I just like to run aroud with sweaty men
10-69 I am a Florida State Graduate

10-4 Whatever
10-5 Can anyone make out what that mushmouth is saying?
10-6 Buzz Off, I am in the Hamfest food line
10-7 KWW
10-8 New rig, new attitude
10-9 What the shux, over?
10-10 I am too fat to move from this chair
10-11 Just ran out of fingers to count
10-12 Does my B.O. Offend you?
10-13 Just got run over by a fat guy in the food line
10-14 My teeth are in my pocket
10-15 Can you carry me to the food line?
10-16 My antenna smells funny.
10-17 Nevermind it was my beard
10-18 Enroute to buy chewing tobacco
10-19 You forgot your credit card at HRO. Nevermind!
10-20 What is the location of the food line?
10-21 What do you mean by,".. don't stalk you anymore?"
10-22 Don't believe what the sheep tell you.
10-23 Hold your horses, I'm eating!
10-24 Nebber lick ah mouze traph
10-25 Just sneezed, how's my signal now?
10-26 Linear just blew a fuse.
10-27 Linear just melted tin foil over fuse.
10-28 What's that smoke from??
10-29 RF burns smell like fired chicken.
10-30 My breath smells like dead chicken.
10-31 I don't care WHAT you smell, it wasn't me.
10-32 That YL is fine!
10-33 Sorry, didn't know it was your wife, OW!
10-34 How was the honeymoon?
10-35 OW!
10-36 How many minutes in a "standby"?
10-37 What's that shiney metal part on the top of the tube? ZZZZZAP.
10-38 Turn your Turner+2 away from you to increase negative modulation.
10-39 How many pills in your linear?
10-40 How many bladder pills do you take a day?
10-41 Is your XYL on the pill?
10-42 How much does she put out (in watts)?
10-43 Wow, you could load up her bra on 80 meters!
10-44 I belong to DNA, the National Assn. of Dyslexics.
10-45 Act smart, real amateur approaching!
10-46 How many "r"s in Generral?
10-47 I took the code test back when it was invisable.
10-48 Say your wattage in pounds of sugar.
10-49 Say my signal in pounds of sugar.
10-50 My XYL needs a mounting bracket.

[VE7NOT]

Quote[/b] (al2i @ May 11 2006,22:55)]I found an awesome site at ac6v.com called the ORIGINS OF HAMSPEAK (http://www.ac6v.com/73.htm#qcode)
Good read dave. I like how the word 'roger' came from morse actually where we send di-dah-dit for received and understood

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[ka0gkt]

Some of the reasons for the retention of some prosigns and elimination of others is that landline telegraph used American Morse Code and radio, by convention uses International Morse Code. In terms of transmission length, "CQ" would be 21 units of time, "23" would be 25 units of time. A small savings, but savings it is specially in a long communication. Now, lets compare "CQ in International Morse to "23" in American Morse.

"23" in American Morse is .._.. ..._. (Di-di-Dah-DiDit Di-Di-Di-Dah-Dit)... 21 units in length.

Oh, Yeah. At least on the CB&Q and the C&NWRR, a "95" signal could only be sent by the President.

73 DE KAØGKT/7

--Steve

[KE5FRF]

Quote[/b] (VE7NOT @ May 12 2006,11:50)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ May 11 2006,22:55)]I found an awesome site at ac6v.com called the ORIGINS OF HAMSPEAK (http://www.ac6v.com/73.htm#qcode)
Good read dave. I like how the word 'roger' came from morse actually where we send di-dah-dit for received and understood

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Uh...don't believe EVERYTHING you read on the internet.

I tend to think it was the other way around, matter 'o fact, I'd bet my life savings.

Ham traditions tend to borrow from military paractices, not the other way around. Soldiers came back from the WW's I and II and incorporated military training into on air practice, not the other way around. Think about it, the US Army Signal Corps, of which I am a proud veteran, trained far more early CW ops than the ARRL did!

The terms "roger" and "wilco", were military inventions, bank on it.

A quick google search points out that the word "roger" comes from early military phonetics for the letter "r"...again, a military invention. But my arrogance as an American for the mistake that the US military invented it. No, it was the RAF of the British who devised the early military phonetics that the word "roger" came from. The US military simply borrowed it and adapted it.

OK, bridging the gap here. more research into why "roger" became the indication for "understand"...Well, this isn't actually originally what it meant exactly. It meant "recieved"....So, logic would indicate that yes, it DOES have roots with "ditdahdit" and Morse Code. But still, which came first, the chicken or the egg? Did amateur telegraphers first incorporate abbreviating "recieved" with an "r", or did military telegraphers? This may be a little cloudy, because military telegraphy most certainly owes much of it's practices to LAND based telegraphy of the early railroads.

STILL, the word "roger" is an invention of the RAF, based on the abreviation for "recieved"

[M3KCK]

Master Simeon,
Your thoughts Betray You http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
73
Regards,
Andrew M3KCK

[kd5rpo]

If I hear 23 on a frequency, I think I will skiddoo

( just for us old farts)