LIB NONSENSE FROM THE LAND OF FRUITS AND NUTS

[K3XR]

The Left coast Libs are at again, no more Mom and Dad in text books. #

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50162

[kf6rdn]

<sigh>

A'well at least Arnold's vetoing the same sex bill the senate sneaked through...

We'll probably get another "Gumby" or total liberal for next governor though.

[KW4MW]

Well there goes the old parental unit right out of the window. The next thing you'll know is that they'll take away their Senso-Rings.

[KI4BNC]

NOOOOOOOOOO!!!
NOT THE SENSO-RINGS!!!















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[KE5FRF]

Today my coworker was working a crossword puzzle during a break, and one of the clues was, "Homosexual Film Director who made such and such movie"...

I laughed my tail off. Wouldn't "Film director who made such and such movie" been enough? Does his sexual preference have ONE IOTA of bearing on his talent has a director?

This would be akin to a plumber advertising in a newspaper article "XYZ plumbing company, chief plumber Gay Fred"

[kf6rdn]

Quote[/b] (KE5FRF @ May 11 2006,18:54)]Today my coworker was working a crossword puzzle during a break, and one of the clues was, "Homosexual Film Director who made such and such movie"...

I laughed my tail off. Wouldn't "Film director who made such and such movie" been enough? Does his sexual preference have ONE IOTA of bearing on his talent has a director?

This would be akin to a plumber advertising in a newspaper article "XYZ plumbing company, chief plumber Gay Fred"
Besides..

which of them AREN'T gay?

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[KW4MW]

Quote[/b] ]what's a senso-ring?
Coneheads (http://www.tvacres.com/sex_aliens_conehead.htm)Quote[/b] ]When a Conehead wants to hone (have sex) they first engage in pre-hone activity (foreplay). To achieve sexual arousal, Senso-Rings (furry hoops) are tossed/slid on and off their cones. Because foreplay is so enjoyable, Immediate Progenitors (parental units) often worry about their Young Ones getting into trouble for Flairndepping (uninvited groping of the Cone with intent to hone).

[KE5FRF]

Quote[/b] (kf6rdn @ May 11 2006,22:01)]Quote[/b] (KE5FRF @ May 11 2006,18:54)]Today my coworker was working a crossword puzzle during a break, and one of the clues was, "Homosexual Film Director who made such and such movie"...

I laughed my tail off. Wouldn't "Film director who made such and such movie" been enough? Does his sexual preference have ONE IOTA of bearing on his talent has a director?

This would be akin to a plumber advertising in a newspaper article "XYZ plumbing company, chief plumber Gay Fred"
Besides..

which of them AREN'T gay?

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I am just SO fed up with the blatant agenda that certain interest groups have to normalize alternate lifestyles to the point where we have to indicate our sexual preferences to make it part of our identity.

I can just see it now, in the not so distant future, when people introduce themselves, they will not only say their name and other tidbits like their occupation or the area they live, but we'll have to add our sexual preference.

Scenario:

Man goes to car dealership and strikes up a conversation with a salesman....
"Hello sir, I am your heterosexual salesperson Phil Conners, can I help you find something."

"Yes, hello, just looking for a compact car, maybe a used Toyota"

"Well, we have plenty in stock, certified in factory specs by our service team led by our gay head mechanic Eric Jones. Can I ask your name, sir?"

"Yes of course, name is Jack. I am a heterosexual engineer down at the plant. I am looking for a small used car for my teenage lesbian daughter Sarah."

"OK, well, lets go to my office and discuss the details. I will go get an inventory list from our heterosexual sales floor manager and we can look for the right car for you!"

What is the world coming too? UGGGHHH

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[KD6NIG]

All of this, and you can bet that pretty soon that the VLF (Vehicle Licence Fee) offset will be gone soon also. Somethings gotta fund all of this junk coming out of our local legislature.

[nx6d]

As usual, WorldNetDaily screwed up and skewed the reporting of this bill. There's no mention of "Mom and Dad" being taken out of textbooks. It's just the usual lies and disinformation being spread by a known propaganda outlet.

News not from a Kool-Aid drinker website (http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/05/12/BAGSOIQN391.DTL)

Dave WX7B
Sonoma County, CA

[AK7V]

From 7B's link:
"The measure also prohibits teaching or textbooks that reflect adversely on people because of their sexual orientation. "

I wonder if that would apply to teaching about someone like Tchaikowski, who thought adversely of his own homosexuality.

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[kb3mpu]

Quote[/b] ]"Supporters said textbooks are silent about the contributions of gays and lesbians just as they were once silent about those of African Americans and other minority groups."

You know what, African americans are a RACE of people. Homosexuality is a preference.

I demand that everyone who liked PB and J be specifically singled out and recognized in our children's text books.

How about people who like asparagus? Them too!

Can you imagine the size of the text books?

I know, let's just start a historical database of EVERY SINGLE documentable like or dislike of every significant historical figure and force our children to learn them.

They act like these people were significant as a result of them being homosexual. This is far from the truth and has no bearing on the issue of what a person did that is considered "significant".

This is all just more BS from an EXTREME MINORITY group that wants to brainwash everyone else in this country into becoming like them. Ridiculous.

[KE5FRF]

Dave, this is a quote from your article:

Quote[/b] ]Supporters said textbooks are silent about the contributions of gays and lesbians just as they were once silent about those of African Americans and other minority groups.

Your article also goes on to mention that the playwrite Oscar Wilde was gay and that his contributions deserve mention...

The funny thing about this issue, as illustrated by these two points, is that the agenda of these people is NOT to teach kids how good of a playwrite Oscar Wilde was, but to emphasize he was a GAY playwrite!

I graduated High School in 1991. I read two works by Oscar Wilde in my English literature class at school. Our English teacher assigned those works for us to be read, and we discussed the merits of the work and the themes of the stories. We analyzed William Shakespeare and several other authors, playwrites, and poets in much the same way. Also, the historical context of these works and their authors was discussed on an equal level. I remember some brief mention that Oscar Wilde was gay, but it wasn't a topic of importance. Why? Because we were READING HIS WORKS, not dwelving into his personal life. Just as it isn't relevant for my AUTO MECHANIC to tell me his sexual preference, it isn't relevant for kids to learn about each and every historical figure's sexual orientation either, UNLESS that particular person's gayness had a direct bearing on his/her fame/historical contribution, or if it is discussed as a matter of relevance in some historical era. For instance, certain Greeks in Classic Athenian life practiced homosexual rituals, and much of Greek society was heavily influenced by these practices. It is certainly relevant to discuss this in a history class!

No, the problem here is that we are encouraging our society to attach identity to people based upon something that is purely personal and irrelevant. If it were ME, and I was Oscar Wilde, I would be thoroughly insulted by the idea that people would attach that label upon me and my work. Think about it, his legacy is becoming "Oscar Wilde, that gay guy who wrote some plays" rather than "Oscar Wilde, the author of The Importance of Being Earnest. If YOU were Oscar Wilde, how would YOU want to be remembered?

Matter of fact, this unshakeable trend we have to label people by their differences is what contributes more and more to the proliferation of bigotries, rather than helping to cause bigotries to go away. The day we realize this and start seeing the SAMENESS in all of us rather than the differences, will be the day we start learning to live with each other in a more peaceful society. This is akin to labeling someone "That crippled guy" or "That short fellow", or "That chubby girl". When we start appreciating a person for their minds, their abilities, and their contributions to the betterment of society, rather than their skin color, their lifestyle, or their physical difficencies, we will be a truly advanced and forward thinking country.

[k9kxq]

When all else fails, have some kool aid...

kxq

[w0aew]

Quote[/b] (kb3mpu @ May 12 2006,10:17)]Homosexuality is a preference.
And you conclude this based on...what?

[kb3mpu]

Quote[/b] (WA5OES @ May 12 2006,10:59)]Quote[/b] (kb3mpu @ May 12 2006,10:17)]Homosexuality is a preference.
And you conclude this based on...what?
And you would conclude otherwise based on?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?

[AK7V]

Who here could decide to be gay?

[K9STH]

I am happy sometimes! That is basically the original definition of the word gay.

Glen, K9STH

[w5klb]

Quote[/b] (WA5OES @ May 12 2006,10:59)]Quote[/b] (kb3mpu @ May 12 2006,10:17)]Homosexuality is a preference.
And you conclude this based on...what?
Contrary to popular Liberal beliefs, scientists have yet to discover a "gay" gene.

Yep, Homosexuality is a lifestyle choice.

Please feel free to prove me wrong. I don't think you can but you'll never know unless you try. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[AK7V]

I can think of a good way to settle this argument once and for all. #One of you who thinks it's a choice should take one for the team and become a homosexual for a year. #Do it up right - gay bars, show tunes, the whole nine yards. #Enjoy yourself. #Fall in love. #Write a book or make a movie about it. #It should all be possible because it's a choice, right?

You can choose to be straight again afterwards and you will have proven your point.


(I don't think it will work. #This is why I don't think it is a simple choice)

[kf6rdn]

Quote[/b] (w5klb @ May 12 2006,13:14)]Quote[/b] (WA5OES @ May 12 2006,10:59)]Quote[/b] (kb3mpu @ May 12 2006,10:17)]Homosexuality is a preference.
And you conclude this based on...what?
Contrary to popular Liberal beliefs, scientists have yet to discover a "gay" gene.

Yep, Homosexuality is a lifestyle choice.

Please feel free to prove me wrong. I don't think you can but you'll never know unless you try. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
I may not be so liberal, but I think there's something other then choice, just based on my own experiences.
I had a friend that WANTED to like women, in fact he got hammered (literly) by his own family, father brothers because he was gay. I've heard many, many such anecdotes. Whyever would someone CHOOSE that?

[kd5rpo]

I believe in science and not what any blowhard has to say on radio or TV, whether he is right or left.

Here is an interesting scientific study. (http://www.boston.com/news/globe/magazine/articles/2005/08/14/what_makes_people_gay/)

[K0RGR]

Quote[/b] (kb3mpu @ May 12 2006,11:02)]Quote[/b] (WA5OES @ May 12 2006,10:59)]Quote[/b] (kb3mpu @ May 12 2006,10:17)]Homosexuality is a preference.
And you conclude this based on...what?
And you would conclude otherwise based on?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?
He might conclude it based on several studies that show differences in the function of gay people's brains vs. straight peoples, and significant differences in hormones in female gays. There was one study done in San Francisco that also identified a significant difference in the fingers of gay people, particualry women. Lesbian's ring fingers tend to be longer than their index fingers - a male trait. Male gay's fingers tend to be more complicated, but the index finger tends to be shorter than average. This is believed to be due to hormonal differences in the mother's womb.

He might know some gays very well, as I do, who insist they were born gay. I was born straight, and I don't think I could change my sexual orientation if I wanted to. What on Earth makes people think that a gay person can? I'm aware of all kinds of 'cures' out there for homosexuality. If there was a real cure for it, why wouldn't every gay try the cure? You think they like being the recipients of hate?

Of course, WorldHateDaily had to get their little dollop of lies and propaganda in , as usual. Lush Rimbaugh's Internet presence continues to preach its gospel of division and scorn for the dreaded liberal. I hope he takes a whole bottle of those pills some day. I think I'll send him some Ambien.

I don't like this legislation, either, and I wouldn't like it in regard to any group, although I believe that W.A.S.P. males are getting shortchanged in the history books for the last 20 years. Indeed, it is this kind of stupidity that has made history incoherent for most kids. They spend so much time worrying about what each ethnic group and gender were experiencing in each era of the past that they completely miss the important lessons from history. I loved history in school, but I literally cried the last time I read a High School history book Most history teachers won't use the assigned texts, because they are so dreadful!

This is particularly foolish because until fairly recently, gays weren't out of the closet unless they wanted to go to jail, or a mental hospital where they would be subject to castration and lobotomies.

The worst thing is that the entire Robber Baron era, the rise of labor unions, and the period from 1880-1920 are pretty much expunged from our kids' classes. They mention Thomas Edison then jump right into WWI. We are doomed to repeat this era.

[w0aew]

Quote[/b] (w5klb @ May 12 2006,14:14)]Yep, Homosexuality is a lifestyle choice.

Please feel free to prove me wrong. I don't think you can but you'll never know unless you try. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Then wouldn't it logically follow that it is possible for you to become a homosexual?

I couldn't do that. Not wouldn't. Couldn't.

But maybe you could prove us all wrong.

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[n2nh]

I don't know if it's a genetic disposition, or a a lifestyle choice, but I agree with KLB on this one that highlighting the homosexuality of a person in a textbook is not a good idea. Otherwise, I could care less whatever two consenting adults want to do with each other.

I still have yet to see (other than on conservative blogs and 'news' sites) where mom and dad are being deleted from text books.

(*linky*) (http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/05/12/BAGSOIQN391.DTL)

[al2i]

One thing I would like to see come of all of this is for the government to get out of the marriage business.

The government makes a big fuss about multiple marriages, and really got down on the Mormons about it, but why? If a pro basketball player can have dozens of girlfriends, why can't a gal have just two husbands? Why do people need to control what other people do anyway? It makes no sense to me.

If two GAYs can get married, then why not three? Why not two BIs and two GAYs? How about a straight and two BIs?

Why is the government involved? It is just plain stupid.

[n2nh]

Quote[/b] (al2i @ May 13 2006,06:29)]One thing I would like to see come of all of this is for the government to get out of the marriage business.

The government makes a big fuss about multiple marriages, and really got down on the Mormons about it, but why? If a pro basketball player can have dozens of girlfriends, why can't a gal have just two husbands? Why do people need to control what other people do anyway? It makes no sense to me.

If two GAYs can get married, then why not three? Why not two BIs and two GAYs? How about a straight and two BIs?

Why is the government involved? It is just plain stupid.
You're right of course. The difference is that the pro basketball player has money. The whole idea of having more than one partner is predicated on whether or not you support the offspring from the arrangement. That's why it's frowned on when a Lower or Middle-class person does it, but it's okay if you are someone with money.

I'll evolve my comment above. I could care less what two or MORE consenting adults want to do togther. They're adults and by the laws in our country are accountable for their actions. That means we are considered to have the experience to know what we're doing.

[k4kyv]

Why not just read the text of the actual bill? Click on the link at the bottom of this page. The criticism of the bill that I have seen so far has invariably missed the point entirely.

The only references I have found in this thread are from websites that regularly spew out lunatic fringe propaganda.

There is nothing in the wording of the bill that would prohibit using words like "mother" or "father." Existing law prohibits the State Board of Education and the governing board of any school district from adopting textbooks or other instructional materials that contain any matter that reflects adversely upon persons because of their race, sex, color, creed, handicap, national origin, or ancestry. How would the words "Mom" and "Dad" reflect adversely on parenthood?

This bill would revise the list of characteristics included in these provisions to include race or ethnicity, gender, disability, nationality, sexual orientation, and religion.

The real issue here is the appropriate use of the words "sex" and "gender." There is nothing wrong with using the word "sex" to indicate whether a living thing is male or female. The true meaning of the word "gender" has nothing to do with males/females. It is a grammatical term, meaning "type, category, classification." The French word for it is genre. We have adopted the French word in English to mean a type, or style, as in the genre of a play or other piece of literature.

Grammatical gender means a category or class of nouns, and nothing more. This has virtually dropped out of use in English, but nouns in most other European languages fall into one of several classes, or genders. French, Spanish, Italian and other Latin-based languages have two genders, perhaps inappropriately labelled "masuculine" or "feminine." All nouns fall into one of these classes, even the ones that name inanimate objects. For example, in French the word for "chair" is feminine, while the word for "bed" is masculine. If that sounds confusing, German, Russian and Latin have three genders. I once studied a Bantu language similar to Swahili, spoken in East Africa, and discovered that language has nine genders, or classes of nouns.

There is nothing related to transvestialism or homosexuality in the overly mis-used term. Perhaps the bill should include a definition of exactly what they mean by the term "gender."

I remember a few months ago reading a questionnaire from some website concerning a commercial product, where you were invited to fill in personal information about yourself. They had one of those little sets of links with national flags, which you clicked to bring up the version for a specific country. I was amused by the fact that the UK edition asked for your sex, while the nearly identical US edition asked for your gender!

In recent years, the term gender has appeared in the US style of English to replace the term sex, because Americans apparently have such a naïve hang-up about sex that they don't want to use the word, even in its dictionary meaning, because they consider it too closely associated with copulation.

Text of SB 1437 (http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_1401-1450/sb_1437_bill_20060222_introduced.html)

[n2nh]

Quote[/b] ]I was amused by the fact that the UK edition asked for your sex, while the nearly identical US edition asked for your gender!

Religion: Christian - non practicing
Gender: Male - non practicing.

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