Ham On Ham Relations

[N4AUD]

Quote[/b] (kc2ocm @ May 10 2006,14:57)]Are we in AMATEUR RADIO for the Good Will of our neighboring hams and hams abroad? Or are we just for self?. Selfish,self centered, gloathful and callous. Words in term are hams I've came across during my short term as a ham. I know, I know, "welcome to the club" I've been told. A problem not mentioned, but on the minds of a million is like a start with no finish. The problem starts with us. So let us start acting like professionals, goodwill practices to each other.
I don't want to act like a professional. I'm an amateur.

[WA5KRP]

My friend,


This is a ham radio forum. You'd have much greater success pursuing this philosophical discussion with a room full of cats.



WA5KRP
Texas

[W0LPQ]

OCM, being as I have been in this for over 40 years, the words you use ... " Selfish, self centered, gloathful and callous" were not part of what we then called Amateur Radio. So I am an OF. Tough.

Even now, I don't think (from what I have seen) those words apply. I guess it all depends upon what (and how)you perceive things to be.

Amateur Radio is what you make of it. Yes you could be selfish and self-centered, but if you are the least bit active either on CW or phone, I don't see how anyone could be any of those things. Some will no doubt disagree, which is fine.

You don't need to belong to a club or involved in anything civic ... just use common sense and manners. Furthering what ALK said, we are not professionals per se, such as pilots or engineering people are. We are, as our name implies (and licenses used to state) ... Amateur Radio Operators.

Bill, WØLPQ

[kf6rdn]

Quote[/b] (kc2ocm @ May 11 2006,12:57)]Are we in AMATEUR RADIO for the Good Will of our neighboring hams and hams abroad? Or are we just for self?. Selfish,self centered, gloathful and callous. Words in term are hams I've came across during my short term as a ham. I know, I know, "welcome to the club" I've been told. A problem not mentioned, but on the minds of a million is like a start with no finish. The problem starts with us. So let us start acting like professionals, #goodwill practices to each other.
None of the above.. For me it's a hobby. A hobby that CAN be usefull in an emergency, and I will use it for such if need arises. I try to approach it like everything else one should do. Courteous and polite. But otherwise.. yeah I guess it's all about me.. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[w3sy]

Dood OCM,

This is a common complaint I hear from people who are stuck on the local 2 meter FM repeater. These are the only Bozos you can work, and that's unfortunate.

If you can get yourself on HF, you can broaden your horizons. Maybe meet a whole NEW class of Bozo. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

But seriously, you are basing your judgment on a very small sample of the ham population. Most of us are at least semi-tolerable, but you'll have to get on HF to find us.

How long you had your license?

[N4AUD]

And the first two posts have disappeared. I didn't start this thread, BTW.
A professional does something for money. I'm in amateur radio because I WANT to be in it.

[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (w3sy @ May 11 2006,21:43)]If you can get yourself on HF, you can broaden your horizons. Maybe meet a whole NEW class of Bozo. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

But seriously, you are basing your judgment on a very small sample of the ham population. Most of us are at least semi-tolerable, but you'll have to get on HF to find us.
Just stay away from 14.275 and some of the better known 75 meter frequencies. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

73, Rob

[WA5KRP]

Quote[/b] (K1ALK @ May 12 2006,06:55)]And the first two posts have disappeared. #I didn't start this thread, BTW.
A professional does something for money. #I'm in amateur radio because I WANT to be in it.
WEIRD! OCM must have lost his nerve. As I remember it, you were the first to reply, ALK. No big deal. At least you captured the original post!

I thought it was a lame attempt at trolling.



WA5KRP
Texas

[n0jaa]

Quote[/b] (K1ALK @ May 11 2006,18:48)]Quote[/b] (kc2ocm @ May 10 2006,14:57)]Are we in AMATEUR RADIO for the Good Will of our neighboring hams and hams abroad? Or are we just for self?. Selfish,self centered, gloathful and callous. Words in term are hams I've came across during my short term as a ham. I know, I know, "welcome to the club" I've been told. A problem not mentioned, but on the minds of a million is like a start with no finish. The problem starts with us. So let us start acting like professionals, #goodwill practices to each other.
I don't want to act like a professional. #I'm an amateur.
We are? I thought we were in the hobby for the fun of it.

[W2ILP]

This is a subject that anyone may deeply start to philosophize about. It touches the very meaning of being human. The question is: are humans motivated to have good wiil toward other humans, including ones they hardly know? The next question is: Do most humans have good will to ALL humans?...even those of other nations? other religions? Other races? Obviously the answer varies and thus there never seems to be "Peace on Earth and GOOD WILL to all. Some folks say that religions teach "good will" but others say that religious differences and especially religious certitude do just the opposite. There is often a dillema between how much good will we should have for others who we deem to be unlike us. Some think it is an exercise of Good Will to send missionaries to primitave people in order to teach them specxific religions that are supposed to civilize them and convert them into also being good willers. Others say that help and kindness to people who suffer disasters is more important than teaching them a religion, as this is a true display of unselfish and objective good will.

I am an Atheist Humanist. I liked C.S. Lewis' book "The Four Loves"...because it explains, from the point of view of a religious (and probably gay) man that all love for our fellow men is not sexual or religiously motivated. There is something basic in the minds of many men that motivates them to feel good will toward their fellow men. [I always use the term "men" to include both men and women.] It is the basis for humanism.

Some hams are amateurs...Some hams may be professional communicators as well...BUT all hams are people and there are many people who care about other people without being told to do so by any Bible, superstition or threat of an afterlife in burning brimstone..

w2ilp (I Like People)...Good will to all...but I can't expect too many to be remembered in my will.

[W5HTW]

Quote[/b] (n0jaa @ May 12 2006,13:45)]Quote[/b] (K1ALK @ May 11 2006,18:48)]Quote[/b] (kc2ocm @ May 10 2006,14:57)]Are we in AMATEUR RADIO for the Good Will of our neighboring hams and hams abroad? Or are we just for self?. Selfish,self centered, gloathful and callous. Words in term are hams I've came across during my short term as a ham. I know, I know, "welcome to the club" I've been told. A problem not mentioned, but on the minds of a million is like a start with no finish. The problem starts with us. So let us start acting like professionals, goodwill practices to each other.
I don't want to act like a professional. I'm an amateur.
We are? I thought we were in the hobby for the fun of it.
EXACTLY! When people quit trying to turn this into police.fire.medic.cb.murs.frs.homeland security, REACT, and all those other things it is NOT, maybe they will awaken to the reason most of us are in ham radio -

.... for fun.

"If it ain't fun, don't do it." That is my suggestion for these who gripe about ham radio.

Ed

[W0LPQ]

Yep, again well said Ed.

If'n it ain't fun ... change something.

Bill, WØLPQ

[W2ILP]

w5htw..et all who say that hams are in it just for FUN.

Think about that. How do you define "fun"? You could be right in most cases from your point of view...but what is fun for one might be work for another although both may be motivated hams.

IMHO the majority of people who get married may do so because they think that socially accepted sex is fun. Often as not a lot of responsibility and work goes along with the fun so it isn't as funny as might have been expected. I'm not saying ham radio is like marriage...but I am saying that some folks get "married" to the hobby expecting only fun.

I know that nerds ask questions...but it is better not to ask questions and just have fun?
At the age of 73, I don't see things like the younguns...I don't just have fun ...I ask questions!
Ham Radio took up a lot of my life time. Some of it was work. Was it worth it? In my case I think that I learned a lot of technical stuff that led me to being able to study to be an engineer. Ham Radio was thus a vital part of my education...but it wasn't all just fun.

Maybe there would be a lot more fun in the long run if people asked more questions about their own philosophy before saying "I do" or calling CQ. Just my humble opinion.

w2ilp (Immaturity Loathes Practicality)