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KF0RT
05-11-2006, 03:05 PM
Quote[/b] ]"It's the largest database ever assembled in the world," said one person, who, like the others who agreed to talk about the NSA's activities, declined to be identified. The agency's goal is "to create a database of every call ever made" within the U.S., this person added.
Another nail in the coffin of privacy.
Linky doo-dad. (http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_3808549)
73, Rob
KD4LEI
05-11-2006, 03:11 PM
Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ May 11 2006,02:05)]Quote[/b] ]"It's the largest database ever assembled in the world," said one person, who, like the others who agreed to talk about the NSA's activities, declined to be identified. The agency's goal is "to create a database of every call ever made" within the U.S., this person added.
Another nail in the coffin of privacy.
Linky doo-dad. (http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_3808549)
73, Rob
I am waiting to see any news reports on those arrested who weren't involved with an extremist organization plotting to harm citizens of our country or overthrow the government in the name of anarchy.
Duh Duh Dunnnnnnnn....
KD6NIG
05-11-2006, 03:13 PM
Cool, so now I can call the NSA when I get prank calls and have them taken care of, instead of my local PD?
"Hey, this guy keeps calling me and he burps and farts into the phone."
"We cannot help you."-NSA
"I think his name might be Bin Laden."
"Whats your address again?"-NSA
WA5KRP
05-11-2006, 03:14 PM
For better or worse, I always assumed somebody gathered those records based on all the times I've seen them used in TV cop shows (NYPD Blue, Law & Order) to connect the dots.
Sooooooooooooooo.......what's the BFD if they know I like phone sex?
WA5KRP
Texas
KD4LEI
05-11-2006, 03:21 PM
Quote[/b] (WA5KRP @ May 11 2006,02:14)]For better or worse, I always assumed somebody #gathered those records based on all the times I've seen them used in TV cop shows (NYPD Blue, Law & Order) to connect the dots. #
Sooooooooooooooo.......what's the BFD if they know I like phone sex?
WA5KRP
Texas
I would rather take comfort in knowing that since they're probably listening in anyway, they could get a good laugh on all the phone sex conversations I've had with my wife.
Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooh baby! #(LMBO)
KF0RT
05-11-2006, 03:37 PM
Quote[/b] (WA5KRP @ May 11 2006,09:14)]For better or worse, I always assumed somebody gathered those records based on all the times I've seen them used in TV cop shows (NYPD Blue, Law & Order) to connect the dots.
Sooooooooooooooo.......what's the BFD if they know I like phone sex?
WA5KRP
Texas
I think you're right... The telco's hold the records for some period of time (6 months?), but previously, it took a warrant to gain access.
The NSA deal is warrantless data mining.
Tattoos, anyone? Or do we no longer care about such things?
73, Rob
867-5309
Jenny, I've Got Your Number, CO
kg4kww
05-11-2006, 03:51 PM
USA Today: NSA building massive database of phone records
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Congressional Democrats demanded answers from the Bush administration Thursday about a report that the government secretly collected records of ordinary Americans' phone calls to build a database of every call made within the country.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/05/11/nsa.phonerecords.ap/index.html
This means that KF0RT has been recorded saying nasty's about NCT's and plotting to keep code!!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
KF0RT
05-11-2006, 03:59 PM
Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ May 11 2006,09:51)]This means that KF0RT has been recorded saying nasty's about NCT's and plotting to keep code!!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Only on the autopatch. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
73, Rob
KG4CGC
05-11-2006, 04:09 PM
I'm glad to see that our government is working hard using my tax dollars to build a perfect society. Pretty soon we'll be able to do away with the court system and the judiciary will be a thing of the past.
I'm surprised that this idea has never been thought of by anyone before us. We are soooo smart. Well not us so much as our government that is. Between the Executive branch and Pastor Bob, we can do no wrong. God will be soooo happy with me!
w0aew
05-11-2006, 06:12 PM
And people say government never listens to us....
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N5RLR
05-11-2006, 06:16 PM
Have one of their lady agents marry me, and I won't be on the phone [line] so much. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
kl7aj
05-11-2006, 06:22 PM
Well, if we were to get every American to buy an automatic phone dialer, and record the message "Overthrow the government NOW" and have them dial random numbers continuously, we could probably overload the NSA with useless threats.
w0aew
05-11-2006, 10:14 PM
I wonder how many NSA employees just roll their eyes at the latest folly they're obliged to engage in. At least it's a steady job, if not particularly fulfilling or even interesting.
kd5rpo
05-11-2006, 11:46 PM
Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter, R-PA
made a statement explaning how the process is in violation of a national security law from 1947 in the video clip available from the front page of CBS News.com It starts up in 3 minutes on dialup (http://www.cbsnews.com/)
KI4BNC
05-11-2006, 11:50 PM
I think that if they are listening to phone sex they should pay half the bill!!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
An old story, covered on the 60 MINUTES program years ago, started in the Clinton Administration and dug up again after the President nominated Gen. Mike Hayden to head the CIA. #The Libs and their cohorts in the main stream media are at it again.
http://americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5150
Lets see, Clinton started it when he was in office, Mr. Bush has been in office since 2000, and the "news" picks it up today in 2006 like it is brand new stuff? Golllllyy, they are fast. Wonder why it didn't make the headlines then? Hillaries group was listening to the words you were saying, George's group just is looking at the phone numbers called by what phone numbers. This seems to be much worse today than Hillaries group listening to you talk for some reason. I don't get it.
N7YS
kg4kww
05-12-2006, 04:03 AM
Bush says U.S. not 'trolling through personal lives'
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush said Thursday the government is "not mining or trolling through the personal lives of millions of innocent Americans" with a reported program to create a massive database of U.S. phone calls.
<span style='color:red'>Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, a Tennessee Republican, told reporters he "strongly" agrees with Bush and said, "We'll discuss whether hearings are necessary." Republican Sen. Trent Lott of Mississippi said Specter should back off his call for hearings.
"What are people worried about? What is the problem?" asked Lott, a former majority leader. "Are you doing something you're not supposed to?" </span>
Do the above comments bother you?
Frist & Lott need to go, don't re-elect them!!
Bush says U.S. not 'trolling through personal lives' (http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/05/11/nsa.phonerecords/index.html)
w5klb
05-12-2006, 04:19 AM
Does anyone have the phone number for bin Laden?
Anyone...?
How about the number to AQ headquarters?
No...?
Then sleep well and don't worry about it.
W8EFA
05-12-2006, 04:58 AM
Someone please reference a credible source that Echelon was used to SPY on American Citizens.
Good luck now!
PS - It has been alleged that in 2002 the Bush Administration extended the ECHELON program to domestic surveillance. This controversy was the subject of the New York Times eavesdropping exposé of December, 2005.
Quote[/b] (K3XR @ May 11 2006,22:07)]An old story, covered on the 60 MINUTES program years ago, started in the Clinton Administration and dug up again after the President nominated Gen. Mike Hayden to head the CIA. The Libs and their cohorts in the main stream media are at it again.
http://americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5150
American Stinker? Gimme a break! Throw me a bone! Get real man! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Echelon? Well, I remember when everybody thought that those European prison camps were just a fantasy. There existenc was strongly denied. Until they confirmed it by firing a 'leaker'. Then denied it some more?
Maybe the river is deeper than it looks.
kd7bbo
05-12-2006, 10:37 AM
Quote[/b] (WA5OES @ May 11 2006,11:12)]And people say government never listens to us....
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I can't agree more with wa5oes
When I was young I remember the Senator McCarthy hearings.
It seems the 1950’s have returned to us.
I remember Pee Wee's Playhouse. (I watched it to assure the kid was watching something wholesome) Pee Wee would sing "Connect the dots, La la la la."
Quote[/b] ]Bush defenders said that the collection of phone records was necessary.
"This is nuts,'' Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., said of the furor over the latest disclosure. "We are in a war, and we've got to collect intelligence on the enemy, and you can't tell the enemy in advance how you are going to do it. And discussing all of this stuff in public leads to that.''
Jon Kyle Quote (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/05/12/MNG0AIQRQ71.DTL)
Quote[/b] ]USA Today reported Wednesday that the three telcos had handed over phone records for tens of millions of Americans to the NSA, which then used the records to search for patterns it thought would help it suss out terrorist activity.
Link (http://www.forbes.com/2006/05/11/nsa-wiretap-bush_cx_jh_0511NSA.html)
So we have tens of millions of enemies in this country alone!!!
And many of you are saying that things are good with Dubya's leadership? We have tens of millions of enemies in this country and I feel fine?
KD4LEI
05-12-2006, 03:06 PM
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Well, here we go again with the horrified screams from the crowd inclined to believe the big bad government is peeping through every key hole and recording every streetcorner chat about whether or not it looks like rain.
There are ones who will cry a "Police State" is around the corner, but know this.
The average credit card company and internet marketers are enormously more intrusive into your average daily affairs than the US Government.
K2WH
w0aew
05-13-2006, 12:38 AM
http://home.comcast.net/~winterbauer/downloads/NSA1.jpg
http://www.bartcop.com/trolling-monkey.jpg
KC9IUX
05-13-2006, 03:23 AM
Quote[/b] ]The average credit card company and internet marketers are enormously more intrusive into your average daily affairs than the US Government.
So that makes it right?
Will the credit card companies send men with guns to your door?
Quote[/b] ]The new survey found that 63 percent of Americans said they found the NSA program to be an acceptable way to investigate terrorism, including 44 percent who strongly endorsed the effort. Another 35 percent said the program was unacceptable, which included 24 percent who strongly objected to it.
A slightly larger majority--66 percent--said they would not be bothered if NSA collected records of personal calls they had made, the poll found.
Linkination (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/12/AR2006051200375.html)
W8EFA
05-13-2006, 04:43 AM
Quote[/b] ]By a margin of 52 to 43 percent, citizens want Congress to impeach President Bush if he wiretapped American citizens without a judge's approval, according to a new poll commissioned by AfterDowningStreet.org, a grassroots coalition that supports a Congressional investigation of Pres. Bush's decision to invade Iraq in 2003.
The poll was conducted by Zogby International.
The poll found that 52 percent of respondents agreed with the statement: "If President Bush wiretapped American citizens without the approval of a judge, do you agree or disagree that Congress should consider holding him accountable through impeachment."
Of those contacted, 43 percent disagreed, and 6 percent said they didn't know or declined to answer. The poll has a margin of error of 2.9 percent.
Zogby Poll (http://www.zogby.com/Soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=12528)
We're talking about phone records here people, not actual phone calls.
If your not calling Al-Qaeda or some other terrorist group you've got nothing to worry about.
W8EFA
05-13-2006, 04:56 AM
Quote[/b] (AC0H @ May 13 2006,00:51)]We're talking about phone records here people, not actual phone calls.
If your not calling Al-Qaeda or some other terrorist group you've got nothing to worry about.
The latest are records. The previous wiretapping issue was wiretapping the actual calls of American Citizens without a court order. That was the Poll i referenced just so we are straight.
kd5rpo
05-13-2006, 05:00 AM
OH
Just for grins here, how would you feel if someone used your phone to call the local Democratic headquarters and the feds sent the information to the Whitehouse? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
KC2ESD
05-13-2006, 05:01 AM
You all might not like this but I have to say it. I believe what the NSA is doing is a GOOD Thing. I'm glad they are scanning for terrorists, I hope they are also scanning for Drug Dealers, Kidnappers, pedophiles, murderers, greedy companies, and other bad people too. Why I feel this way? I will tell you all: Because I was picked on for being a good boy and having Red Hair when I was a kid. It stopped after I had to kick some butts. I learned most people are good but I also learned some are just evil and must be taken down at all costs. I am a Punisher at heart and love it when the bad guys go down, In Iraq or the good old USA. This is one major reason I like the Republicans, they kick butt. The Democrats are just to weak on defense and fighting crime IMHO.
73 de Rick KC2ESD
Good Night and Good Luck
Quote[/b] (K2WH @ May 12 2006,09:11)]Well, here we go again with the horrified screams from the crowd inclined to believe the big bad government is peeping through every key hole and recording every streetcorner chat about whether or not it looks like rain.
There are ones who will cry a "Police State" is around the corner, but know this.
The average credit card company and internet marketers are enormously more intrusive into your average daily affairs than the US Government.
K2WH
I am much more worried about the government than telemarketers, because the government is an agency of deadly force. Telemarketters are agencies of deadly annoyance.
The government has detailed records on everything I do, forcing me to report regularly on all of my economic activity. Neither the Libs nor the Cons really care about the sanctity of individual privacy in even the tiniest bit.
None of the politicians who are raising a faux ruckus about NSA data mining seem to be concerned about our e-mail or instant-messaging privacy. Why?
First of all, I feel that those who have said they have no problem with this program are right. Think about it, this is right for them. And since that is the case, the NSA should monitor them. Those of us who feel it is a violation of our rights should not be monitored, since that is our wish that our right not be violated.
Next, every time a revelation like this has come up, more inroads are being made into your rights. What's next? You can be sure it isn't good news. Inch by inch, our rights are being eroded and we're saying okay, because we're thinking well it isn't as bad as I thought. They're doing it slowly so you don't feel the final pinch and accept these programs.
Quote[/b] ]None of the politicians who are raising a faux ruckus about NSA data mining seem to be concerned about our e-mail or instant-messaging privacy. Why?
Because it's a done deal. You've already lost those rights.
So, if you don't have a problem with this fine. You can be monitored. For those of us who do, we'll opt to keep our rights, thank you .
Quote[/b] ]The previous wiretapping issue was wiretapping the actual calls of American Citizens without a court order
Citizens in contact with an international terrorist organization. Why do you keep leaving that part out? You think ole Mahmoud was calling home to Detroit or Philadelphia from Afganistan or Pakistan to get the grocery list?
Quote[/b] (AC0H @ May 13 2006,00:43)]Quote[/b] ]The previous wiretapping issue was wiretapping the actual calls of American Citizens without a court order
Citizens in contact with an international terrorist organization. Why do you keep leaving that part out? You think ole Mahmoud was calling home to Detroit or Philadelphia from Afganistan or Pakistan to get the grocery list?
Kevin,
We get your picture here.
Okay. What do we know? We know that we have been wiretapped by the Bush admin since 2002. What we need for you to do for us is to send us the list of the people caught talking to the terrorists in the wiretapping spree since 2002. It does not need to be a long list. Maybe a nickname like Alhamma bin Frazeed. Okay, Just one name. One simple name from 4 whole years of illegal wiretapping. Should be a cakewalk.
Quote[/b] ]Just one name. One simple name from 4 whole years of illegal wiretapping. Should be a cakewalk.
If the call originated outside the US there is no illegality.
How exactly am I supposed to know who's calls have been monitored. I'm 99.99% sure mine haven't and unless you've been conspiring with Al Quaeda or the Taliban yours haven't either.
You haven't have you? You and the rest of the NSA phobes sure do seem a little paranoid.
BTW, your local police department can get a warrant from a judge, without your knowlege or consent, and get the same information the NSA got. They do it all the time.
N2ACX
05-13-2006, 02:43 PM
Part of KG4KWW's post
Quote[/b] ]"What are people worried about? What is the problem?" asked Lott, a former majority leader. "Are you doing something you're not supposed to?"
I really dislike those who use this "BS Line" if you object to something then you "must be hiding something" They use this pathetic attempt to make one feel they have to say YES to spying on everyone. No wonder we have almost unlimited government spying today.
I do feel almost any means is nessessary today to locate and kill Al Queda and other terrorists, however, but at what point will it stop?..........in my opinion, it never will.
We already have been programmed to accept that once we walk outside our homes we are Live Bait for video and sound recording. We are watched as we walk on the streets, watched as we drive.... and don't be suprised if all those with onboard "SAFETY" options such as "On Star" knowing your precise locations aren't one day or already being sent to some national database along with your driving habits.
The GPS technology is already morphing into more invasive levels such as in the UK testing the GPS's in vehicles so one can be taxed for miles driven plus literally knowing one's every move. I beleive the state of Oregon is also trying to implement this technolgy and TAX it's residents for road use.
Things are changing fast folks, get used to having zero privacy, forever, for the purpose of preserving Health, Safety, and Homeland Security.
Make a list of the items that gather information for just about any reason.
TV Cable modems.....know all your viewing habits and times
keychain Id's from drug stores with the barcode..not for discounts....for tracking your purchases. Your name addy is already in their databases.
Internet ISP's.....obvious
City Cameras with face recognition,although they may not know YOU, they are watching and saving.
There are many more, can you name them?
73 N2ACX
Quote[/b] (N2ACX @ May 13 2006,03:43)]Part of #KG4KWW's post
Quote[/b] ]"What are people worried about? What is the problem?" asked Lott, a former majority leader. "Are you doing something you're not supposed to?" #
I really dislike those who use this "BS Line" if you object to something then you "must be hiding something" They use this pathetic attempt to make one feel they have to say YES to spying on everyone. No wonder we have almost unlimited government spying today.
#I do feel almost any means is nessessary today to locate and kill Al Queda and other terrorists, however, but at what point will it stop?..........in my opinion, it never will.
# #We already have been programmed to accept that once we walk outside our homes we are Live Bait for video and sound recording. We are watched as we walk on the streets, watched as we drive.... and don't be suprised if all those with onboard "SAFETY" options such as "On Star" knowing your precise locations aren't one day or already being sent to some national database along with your driving habits.
#The GPS technology is already morphing into more invasive levels such as in the UK testing the GPS's in vehicles so one can be taxed for miles driven plus literally knowing one's every move. I beleive the state of Oregon is also trying to implement this technolgy and TAX it's residents for road use.
Things are changing fast folks, get used to having zero privacy, forever, for the purpose of preserving Health, Safety, and Homeland Security.
# Make a list of the items that gather information for just about any reason.
# TV Cable modems.....know all your viewing habits and times
# keychain Id's from drug stores with the barcode..not for discounts....for tracking your purchases. Your name addy is already in their databases.
Internet ISP's.....obvious
City Cameras with face recognition,although they may not know YOU, they are watching and saving.
# There are many more, can you name them?
# # 73 N2ACX
The sky is falling, the sky is falling. What is it with you guys with this "Privacy" issue. Sorry, but no BS here. I do not care what the government knows about me. I don't care if they know that I have sex with the XYL on Friday evenings. Who cares? This is all phony pain.
This country is in a downward spiral not because of government, but because of 40 years of liberalism that has ingrained in todays generation and the new generation a feeling of being "Dissed" by everyone, not showing "Respect" and so forth. Everything is allowed, and nothing is ever wrong.
Then the new breed of lawyer who will sue at the drop of a hat with some new age logic no matter who gets hurt, country or individual. I am so sick of this crap it make me puke.
You don't need no stinkin privacy because you don't have any. Its all a phony pretense that you are offended and its all to do everything possible to get Bush. However, the libs and demos will finally understand one day, that Bush is not running.
K2WH
N2ACX
05-13-2006, 05:15 PM
K2WH
Quote[/b] ]The sky is falling, the sky is falling. What is it with you guys with this "Privacy" issue.
Hey! I don't care what this government does do anymore. I just made a post about this latest privacy issue. Some are curious what others think which does not mean we are hiding in some remote section of our homes and shaking.
K2WH Quote[/b] ]You don't need no stinkin privacy because you don't have any. Its all a phony pretense that you are offended and its all to do everything possible to get Bush.
Whew.......what B.S., Everyones a "Bush Hater" right ? LOLOL some of you crack me up. Don't make any constructive comments about this administration that just might have a tinge of negative attached to it or some will take it as bashing again......I'm tired of people always thinking someone is bashing some political figure. If they can't rebut an arguement they yell "Bashing" geeeesh this makes me want to puke.
73 N2ACX
KF0RT
05-13-2006, 05:31 PM
Quote[/b] (K2WH @ May 13 2006,10:41)]This country is in a downward spiral not because of government, but because of 40 years of liberalism that has ingrained in todays generation and the new generation a feeling of being "Dissed" by everyone, not showing "Respect" and so forth. Everything is allowed, and nothing is ever wrong.
Quote[/b] ]Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Apparently allowing disrespect for the Constitution is okay, depending on who does it.
73, Rob
Quote[/b] (n2nh @ May 13 2006,05:23)]Quote[/b] ]None of the politicians who are raising a faux ruckus about NSA data mining seem to be concerned about our e-mail or instant-messaging privacy. Why?
Because it's a done deal. You've already lost those rights.
I didn't lose those rights. I started using semi-telephonic electronic messaging in 1979 for my personal, private use in 1979 with my first dial-up modem and my first subscription to The Source, (http://iml.jou.ufl.edu/carlson/history/the_source.htm) and one of my Constitutionally protected "effects" ever since has been my private electronic messaging to other private individuals, mostly other Americans.
At no time did I consent to my messages being monitored, snooped through, spied on or in any way have my privacy violated by the government. I used a cable modem for a few years, but now I am again using my phone line to communicate via DSL. I never willingly surrendered one Constitutionally protected right.
A whole bunch of Government snoopers need to be rounded up and sent to prison. I am behind this 100%, but few seem to care.
Most Democrats only raise a ruckus when it is a Republican administration doing something wrong and Most Republicans only raise a ruckus when it is a Democratic dministration. When it comes down to it neither major party has any genuine concern for the Constitution unless it is as a means to wrest power from the other party.
Sir Walter Raleigh, the man that introduced tobacco smoking to the courts of Europe, gave us some great thoughts about how to really make a change.
First, make the change immediately. Impeach Bush for snooping through our e-mail.
Second, brook no exceptions. Impeach any empowered leader who authorizes any violation of the United States Constitution. Better yet, through 'em in jail.
Finally, advertise the new policy flamboyantly. These power-mongering, Constitution-trashing evil jerks should be walking on eggshells anytime they are given this life and death power we call "public office." <span style='color:red'>They should tremble at the slightest hit of impropriety and behave accordingly while in office.</span>
KD4LEI
05-13-2006, 06:49 PM
Quote[/b] (kc9iux @ May 12 2006,14:23)]Quote[/b] ]The average credit card company and internet marketers are enormously more intrusive into your average daily affairs than the US Government. #
So that makes it right?
Will the credit card companies send men with guns to your door?
HA! Ever heard of collection agencies?
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Something some of you won't admit is the fact that IF another attack happened (oh it will, just a matter of time) and this was an option we could have used, what then?
It would be THE same people screaming "bloody murder" over this issue wanting Bush's head on a silver platter for not "covering all the bases".
Just my thought as I sit back, observe this thread and laugh.
Quote[/b] (KD4LEI @ May 13 2006,11:49)]Quote[/b] (kc9iux @ May 12 2006,14:23)]Quote[/b] ]The average credit card company and internet marketers are enormously more intrusive into your average daily affairs than the US Government.
So that makes it right?
Will the credit card companies send men with guns to your door?
HA! Ever heard of collection agencies?
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Something some of you won't admit is the fact that IF another attack happened (oh it will, just a matter of time) and this was an option we could have used, what then?
It would be THE same people screaming "bloody murder" over this issue wanting Bush's head on a silver platter for not "covering all the bases".
Just my thought as I sit back, observe this thread and laugh.
What amazes me is that any Republican or Democrat expects to be taken seriously on the Constitution. Both parties trash the Constitution wholesale. Neither party really cares one wit.
Here is a publication that you may order free of charge:
Power Surger: The Constitutional Record of George W. Bush (http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=6330)
Here are some true patriots.
I love these heroes. (http://www.eff.org/legal/cases/att/)
Click to invalidate:
<a href="http://www.nsawatch.org/nsa_octopus.jpg" target="_blank">Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. </a>
KF0RT
05-13-2006, 08:45 PM
And check out this letter from Congress. (http://www.nsawatch.org/nsa-surveillance-letter-05.12.06.pdf) (PDF file)
73, Rob
Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ May 13 2006,13:45)]And check out this letter from Congress. (http://www.nsawatch.org/nsa-surveillance-letter-05.12.06.pdf) (PDF file)
73, Rob
Thanks Rob. That letter says a lot.
Here is a printed, bound publication that you may order completely free of charge:
Power Surger: The Constitutional Record of George W. Bush (http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=6330)
Here are some true patriots.
I love these heroes. (http://www.eff.org/legal/cases/att/)
Click to invalidate:
<a href="http://www.nsawatch.org/nsa_octopus.jpg" target="_blank">Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. </a>
The Naurus ST-64000 and its successor. (http://liveammo.blogspot.com/2006/04/att-eavesdropping-and-naurus-st-6400.html)