8AD appears to be a LID or have

[k4lem]

I send the idiot a note suggesting someone had hacked his link and received a nasty and dripping note, asking if I was the FCC.

This guy is a super LID. I did record his little so caalled test and wonder if Riley would be interested in reviewing it.

It's amazing, but I guess hams are like the general population, some have serious personality problems.

I would say N8AD appears to be one of them and bares watching carefully.
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[k4lem]

Copy of response from N8AD. The guy outside of being a LID, has a chip on his "A**". Waiting for somebody to kick it off!


My LINK was being tested by me under LOCAL CONTROL on 7255.500 Khz.

It was not hacked or abused in any fashion.

Are you speaking on behalf of the FCC? If so by what authority?

N8AD
----- Original Message -----
From: gdavis61@alltel.net
To: n8ad@adelphia.net
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 08:30 PM
Subject: Your link was hacked and abused this evening


Such use does not make the FCC very happy. Hope you were aware of the activity on 7.255.5 approximately 7:15-7:55pm EDST this evening!

73, Gary K4LEM http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[ai4ep]

Plus look at the FREE publicity he is getting here on the internet...thanks to you folks.


But no, you just could NOT stay quiet...now HE is getting the FREE publicity.

oops...you didnt think of THAT part, did you ? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[KD6NIG]

Perhaps a audio file of the offense online is in order. I jumped on the attack bandwagon last night and had to jump off of it while it was running at breakneck speed once we found out it was supposedly him doing it.

I for one am not going to judge till I hear the evidence. Not like my judgement means anything anyway, as my name isn't Uncle Charlie, but I don't want to have to leap off the train again when I find out by going with the majority that I'm wrong again.

Of course the QRZ court of law isn't like the real one either, but I'm not going to pass judgement. I'm still wondering about how a remote base works, if its like a repeater in which the RB owner as well as the current person using it are equally liable, or if the person using it only is. I know it doesn't apply in this case since they were one and the same, but still, curiosity is there.

[k4lem]

Quote[/b] (KD6NIG @ May 10 2006,09:11)]Perhaps a audio file of the offense online is in order. # I jumped on the attack bandwagon last night and had to jump off of it while it was running at breakneck speed once we found out it was supposedly him doing it.

I for one am not going to judge till I hear the evidence. #Not like my judgement means anything anyway, as my name isn't Uncle Charlie, but I don't want to have to leap off the train again when I find out by going with the majority that I'm wrong again.

Of course the QRZ court of law isn't like the real one either, but I'm not going to pass judgement. #I'm still wondering about how a remote base works, if its like a repeater in which the RB owner as well as the current person using it are equally liable, or if the person using it only is. #I know it doesn't apply in this case since they were one and the same, but still, curiosity is there.
[QUOTE]

Maybe you should hear the evidence. He signed on in fact using N8AD as a call, that was legal.

He then proceeded to play about 15 minutes of monologue than sounded like a broadcast. He then sent CW, audio tones, and then had what appeared to be a confrontation with a N8 who asked what was going on.

He continued to broadcast and rebraodcast a call not his own, W3EOP, who runs ECARS.

He then jumped on the mike saying this is " Free-Cars, 7.255.5, looking for check ins."
Continued with that until he again played a tape.

I'd say, that's LID at least and worst, broadcasting, interference by intention, extended and unnecessary broadcasting disguised as a "test". What a laugh.

Anybody want to hear the recording send me a computer disk and return postage.

He also sent me yet another Email stating Riley was already aware of his operations. Guess maybe its not first time?

I know think stations in Pittsburg, Pa should watch him as an intentional and malicious QRMer of ECARS.

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[KI4NGN]

How big is the file? Can't you just email it?

Mike, Raleigh, NC

[KD6NIG]

Ok, I'd agree with you, but I have to, at the moment, take your word for it http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

If what you say is true, I'll agree, but I'll agree under the premise that I gotta take your word for it. Being on the left coast, I couldn't hear it if I was at home, and I wasn't, I was at work.

Personally though, I think more postings of lid behavior backed up by audio would perhaps goad said people to change thier ways. Or, it would spur them on to do more, which unfortunately would be self defeating.

Oh, nevermind, I'm just rambling on with no reason at this point.

[KE5FRF]

I am not so quick to be harsh here, common guys!...

OK, an EchoLink remote Base via EchoBase is a perfectly legitimate and legal setup, no different than a repeater in the sense of allowing other operators to use private equipment in a public way.

This kind of setup does indeed require testing sometimes, and though testing into a dummy load would be a more appropriate means, as long as a station is properly IDing at the prescribed periods, it IS legal to perform transmission tests at full power, especially if the testing being done requires it, who knows he may have been testing his antenna with a field strength meter or something. I don't begrudge this in the least.

Of course, I only copied a small portion of the transmission, and I found it to be a little too much, but I can't say it was in violation of Part 97 because I didn't hear everything. I spoke to this fellow through e-mail back when I requested control privelages on his system several months ago, and he seemed like a stand-up amateur. Again, we might be overreacting a bit.

[ai4ep]

...all he has to do is read this page and see who says what about him.

[KB3LIX]

I caught one other callsign during the short while I listened.
It was KC8UMB.
Comes back to an op in Michigan.

Perhaps he was trying to access the node ??

(I Plead GUILTY, to having NO knowledge of EchoLink)

[w5klb]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ May 10 2006,09:22)]...all he has to do is read this page and see who says what about him.
We have a winner!

I haven't heard this guy and I don't know him, but it seems to me by starting a thread like this that you are giving him waaay to much power over you. Let it go. If you think he's in violation of FCC Rules, write the Enforcement Bureau or take it up with him PRIVATELY.

By starting a thread like this you seem to be saying "Nah-ne-nah-ne-nah-nah, I'll get you at recess!" I know you don't want come across to others this way.

Post to be filed under the heading "For What It's Worth".

[kl7aj]

APPEARS to be a lid?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?

[k4lem]

Quote[/b] (w5klb @ May 10 2006,13:13)]Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ May 10 2006,09:22)]...all he has to do is read this page and see who says what about him.
We have a winner!

I haven't heard this guy and I don't know him, but it seems to me by starting a thread like this that you are giving him waaay to much power over you. Let it go. If you think he's in violation of FCC Rules, write the Enforcement Bureau or take it up with him PRIVATELY.

By starting a thread like this you seem to be saying "Nah-ne-nah-ne-nah-nah, I'll get you at recess!" I know you don't want come across to others this way.

Post to be filed under the heading "For What It's Worth".
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I'd like to upload the dude's so called test. Which was a joke as well as his reactionary behavior when anyone asked, why not use a dummy load.

The truth is the FCC would need lots of data and complaints before it did anything.

Its much more effective for this guy to be judged by his peers (although I think in his case, peers would be LIDS) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[K0RGR]

There are a number of HF remote bases on the air, using different technologies. I haven't heard this one, but if it's as described, it is uncool. I see N8AD listed in the EchoLink database of stations currently online as an "HF Remote".

I connected to it, and had a nice chat with it's owner on UHF. I fired up the HF receiver and listened around a bit, but decided I'd better study his website a bit before I got myself in more trouble. I could not transmit on HF because I am not registered to do so. 7255 was not one of the frequencies he has programmed in, but he does have VFO control that can be accessed directly.

I would say that if you observe inappropriate behavior via his link, drop him a line. Perhaps you've already tried that, and there's a Jekyll and Hyde personality involved here. He seemed to be straight with me. It could be that he's had so many people challenge the legality of what he's doing that he has developed a standard response, and didn't realize that you were informing him of a problem.

[M3KCK]

Does this topic & thread not Violate the Rules of the Road here @ QRZ.com http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

I have No opinion on the Original post But is it right?
And Posting Private e-mails?

There is No mention in N8AD Bio as per the Topic of this thread to say he has Mental health problems?

Perhaps some Moderation is needed? or Not?
73
Regards,
Andrew M3KCK

[k4lem]

Quote[/b] (M3KCK @ May 10 2006,20:09)]Does this topic & thread not Violate the Rules of the Road here @ QRZ.com http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

I have No opinion on the Original post But is it right?
And Posting Private e-mails?

There is No mention in N8AD Bio as per the Topic of this thread to say he has Mental health problems?

Perhaps some Moderation is needed? or Not?
73
Regards,
Andrew # M3KCK
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It's an OPINION based on his conduct. Its not a "bloody" diagnosis. BLYME! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[K7JBQ]

Actually, it's pretty close to the line.

If you have evidence, kindly send it to Riley.

If you have allegations, go ahead, but be very, very, careful.

If you are calling someone a lid, or worse, be damn sure you're right. And then some.

Any questions?

73,
Bill, K7JBQ
One of the QRZ.com moderators

[k4lem]

Let's let it drop. The guys a damn genius!

[kd5rpo]

LEM- What format did you record the audio in? If it is a file type like wave, you could change it into an MP3 file or similar to compress it. We don't need CD quality.