Running Out Of Gas

[kg4kww]

It's not enough that you now may have to pay more than $3 for a gallon of gas, some service stations here in Virginia are running out of gas. Officials tell 8News the shortages are happening because it's taking longer than expected to get the new blend of summer gas which contains the additive ethanol.

Running Out Of Gas (http://www.wric.com/Global/story.asp?S=4799450)

I want you people to stop drinking corn liquor so, the corn squeezens can be used for gas.

[wv6z]

Gawwwwd, I hated channel 8! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
If you need gas Greg, I just had Mexican for dinner, lemme know! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[w5klb]

Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ April 22 2006,19:13)]It's not enough that you now may have to pay more than $3 for a gallon of gas, some service stations here in Virginia are running out of gas. Officials tell 8News the shortages are happening because it's taking longer than expected to get the new blend of summer gas which contains the additive ethanol.

Running Out Of Gas (http://www.wric.com/Global/story.asp?S=4799450)

I want you people to stop drinking corn liquor so, the corn squeezens can be used for gas.


"Looks like we are going to need more of that thar copper line and sugar."

The real truth: Piggish oil company CEO's are purposely withholding fuels to drive up the price of gas further. I don't believe there's a "shortage", the oil companies are refusing to deliver the fuel as oil company's CEO sing:

"I want money,
Lots and Lots of money
I want my pie in the sky,
I want money
Lot's and lots of money
So don't go asking me why
I wanna be rich"

CEO of ExxonMobile just retired with a $400 MILLION ($400,000,000) retirement package. Riiight... "shortage" my a**. This has gone far beyond greed. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[ai4ep]

well we down here in Alabama dont have any moonshine stills no more.

Nowadays they put meth labs in motel rooms ( or at least that is what the local tv news folks tell us )

So if you folks up there in Virginia / North Carolina area are having a moonshine shortage, there aint much we over here in Alabama can do but get the DUKE boys to make a run past the crooked sheriff who aint getting his share of the money...just call up Jerry Reed, Burt Reynolds, Jackie Gleason & Sally Fields...give them a N C T ticket or two and let them use the local 2 meter fm repeaters instead of cb radio...keep swapping repeaters instead of cb channels .


--- east bound and down..oh we gonna do what needs to be done...got a long way to go and a ahort time to get their, I am east bound , just watch ol rabbit run. ---

[N3ATS]

KLB hit it on the head.

[kg4kww]

This situation reeks of the 70's gas shortages, man was that a bad scene. I hated those long lines and then you could only get a few gallons.

[N4AUD]

Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ April 21 2006,22:19)]This situation reeks of the 70's gas shortages, man was that a bad scene. I hated those long lines and then you could only get a few gallons.
Do you have any friends in Franklin County?

Probably only Virginians will understand the reference.

[kd5rpo]

I also agree that KLB has it right. The oil companies now have just about the largest oil reserves in history. One of the excuses is that they have to clean some of the storage tanks.

In areas that have already been switched to gas containing ethanol there is no additional cost.
We now have $3 gas in new mexico and all pumps have been labeled with ethanol for around 8 years. It didn't raise the price back then!

[ka0gkt]

Hmmm...lets see here...Gasoline at the local Costco where I filled this afternoon at $2.789/gallon...If we factor inflation for the years from when I first started pumping petrol into my first car (1972), that makes the cost per gallon in 1972 dollars $.58. #I recently found my maintenance record for my old rangoon-red '65 Mustang and I see that regular gasoline cost me a maximum of $.38/gallon.

So, in 1972 prices, gasoline costs more today than in '72...but unleaded gas was costlier than the leaded petrol I pumped into the little red bomb; Gasoline prices were capped by federal law back then as well, and state fuel taxes weren't as high then as they are today. #In Nebraska where I lived back then, the state gas tax was $.085/gallon + a 2.5% sales tax. #Today it is #$.255/ gallon +a minimum of 5.5% sales tax which is higher in municipalities which have a city sales tax.

Now, these figures only apply for Nebraska, but then I only have records going back that long for Eastern Nebraska. #I did notice that there was a gas war for a few weeks during '72 when I only paid $.11/gallon...which didn't even pay the taxes!

OBTW, if you convert a megabuck in 2006 dollars to '72 dollars it works out to be a paltry $207,333.57 #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

73 DE KAØGKT/7

--Steve

[W8EFA]

Quote[/b] ]Hmmm...lets see here...Gasoline at the local Costco where I filled this afternoon at $2.789/gallon...If we factor inflation for the years from when I first started pumping petrol into my first car (1972), that makes the cost per gallon in 1972 dollars $.58. I recently found my maintenance record for my old rangoon-red '65 Mustang and I see that regular gasoline cost me a maximum of $.38/gallon.


According to the CPI figures 2.78 now would be .61 in 1972. Average gas for one gallon was .36 in 1972 so gas is about 60 percent higher now. In reality gas is more like 3 dollars than $2.78 so it is more like 70% Higher.

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (w5klb @ April 22 2006,20:26)]The real truth: Piggish oil company CEO's are purposely withholding fuels to drive up the price of gas further.
And I believe in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny, and the 80 mpg carburetor.

[kd5rpo]

al2i you are right when it comes to the 80 MPG carburetor, as well as the secret 200 MPG carburetors you hear about on some late night radio shows. The amount of energy that can be extracted from the fuel combined with the built in efficiency of a piston motor can be calculated.

If you want to make a Buick get 40 MPG be prepared to go 25 miles per hour and get to that speed in as much time as a normal car gets to 60 MPH.

[al2i]

I am also right about the supposedly withheld fuels. If any fuel product is held up by anything other than government regs at these prices, some way will be found to get around the bottleneck, or someone who can get around the bottleneck will soon have your job..

[w5klb]

Quote[/b] (al2i @ April 22 2006,23:13)]Quote[/b] (w5klb @ April 22 2006,20:26)]The real truth: Piggish oil company CEO's are purposely withholding fuels to drive up the price of gas further.
And I believe in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny, and the 80 mpg carburetor.
Yeah, riiight. And Jim Mulva will be "slumming" when he retires with his $100,000,000 retirement package.

You forget I live in a town with Oklahoma largest employer-ConocoPhillips. I also have friends and relatives that work there. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[al2i]

Sadly, the high prices are sowing the seeds of demand destruction, and I see another fierce swing to the south if this meteoric rise does not abate soon.

I went to many, many meetings when oil went past $30/barrel where our corporate decision was supposedly to learn from the brutal layoffs we experienced in the early-mid 90s. Those layoffs would not be repeated because the company would not hire a bunch of people just because prices were up. Guess what has happened since Oil passed $50/barrel?

[w5klb]

Quote[/b] (al2i @ April 22 2006,23:36)]I am also right about the supposedly withheld fuels. #If any fuel product is held up by anything other than government regs at these prices, some way will be found to get around the bottleneck, or someone who can get around the bottleneck will soon have your job..

Since the Prez urged the EPA to relax its laws concerning refinerys, how many NEW refinerys is ol' "Uncle Jim" planning to build? In this area I can name only one that they are considering increasing the capcity on and it's not even owned by ConocoPhillips. It's owned by Sinclair. Yeah, you all could claim that it requires a LOT of money, and if building started now, it would be two years or more before we would start seeing the results at the pump. In that respect you would be right. But don't try to convince me that the that these guys aren't restricting the delivery. Since the 70's they haven't built a new refiney. They claim it's was due to EPA laws, but I don't believe it for one microsecond. Refinerys aren't cheap. And those oil company CEO's LIKE their present salaries and retirement bennies.

As a former employee of Phillips Petroleum, I don't trust them as far as I can throw em. We are letting these guys have way too much control over our economy by letting them dictate (along with OPEC) the price of oil in which they know darn well that it will cause EVERYTHING to go up in price.

It seems that they don't care as long as they get payed those outrageous salaries and retirement.

"Bottleneck"? Since the 70's, THEY are ones that are partly to blame for the "bottleneck" by not building MORE refinerys.

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (w5klb @ April 23 2006,00:09)]"Bottleneck"? Since the 70's, THEY are ones that are partly to blame for the "bottleneck" by not building MORE refinerys.
Well, I have talked with Mulva and he seems quite honest to me. Maybe I am just a sucker. In regards to your assertion that not enough refineries are built, Jim Mulva testified to Congress about that, and you can read the Full Text Here. (http://energy.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Hearings.Testimony&Hearing_ID=1517&Witness_ID=4304)

I think you are barking up the wrong tree, because ConocoPhillips has more invested in US refineries than anyone else. Pick on some other company that has not invested as much in refining. Here is an excerpt from Mulva's testimony that deals with the lack of refining capacity.


Quote[/b] ]ANOTHER CHALLENGE IS THAT MUCH OF THE INVESTMENT REQUIRED IN ENERGY TODAY IS FOR ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE IN CONSUMING COUNTRIES, SUCH AS REFINERIES, LIQUEFIED NATURAL GAS RECEIVING TERMINALS, AND PIPELINES. IN THE UNITED STATES, NIMBY (NOT-IN-MY-BACK-YARD) SENTIMENTS HAVE CAUSED COSTLY DELAYS AND EVEN THE ABANDONMENT OF THESE IMPORTANT INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS.

THE FINAL CHALLENGE I WOULD LIKE TO RAISE IS THAT THE PETROLEUM INDUSTRY FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS HAS HAD SUB-PAR RETURNS, WHICH LIMITED THE CAPITAL AVAILABLE FOR INVESTMENT. BETWEEN THE DIFFICULT YEARS OF 1990 AND 2002, THE AVERAGE RETURN ON EQUITY FOR THE PETROLEUM INDUSTRY WAS 11.3%, LOWER ON AVERAGE THAN THE 12.6% RETURN FOR THE S&P 500. THE REFINING & MARKETING SECTOR HAS AN EVEN LOWER HISTORICAL RETURN ON CAPITAL THAN THE TOTAL PETROLEUM SECTOR. BETWEEN 1990 AND 2002, THE REFINING AND MARKETING SECTOR HAD A RETURN ON CAPITAL EMPLOYED OF 5.0% VERSUS 7.1% FOR THE TOTAL PETROLEUM INDUSTRY.

THE REFINING SECTOR HAS BEEN PARTICULARLY CHALLENGED BECAUSE SO MUCH OF THE CAPITAL SPENDING HAS BEEN DIRECTED TOWARD ON SITE ENVIRONMENTAL NEEDS AND THE PRODUCTION OF CLEAN FUELS. IN ADDITION TO INVESTING HEAVILY TO MEET FEDERALLY MANDATED FUEL SPECIFICATIONS, REFINERIES HAVE PUT SUBSTANTIAL CAPITAL INTO ADDRESSING STATE AND LOCAL BOUTIQUE FUEL REQUIREMENTS, WHICH HAVE ADDED TO THE COST OF PRODUCING GASOLINE AND REDUCED THE FUNGIBILITY OF PRODUCT.

WE ALSO CANNOT IGNORE THE NEGATIVE IMPACT THAT FEDERAL AND STATE REGULATORY PROCESSES HAVE HAD ON DISCOURAGING NEW GRASS ROOTS REFINERIES. THE PROCESS FOR SITING AND SECURING THE MANY PERMITS NECESSARY FOR A REFINERY ARE LENGTHY AND DIFFICULT. WE HAVE FOUND THIS TO BE THE CASE IN OUR ON-GOING EFFORTS TO EXPAND REFINERY CAPACITY AT EXISTING LOCATIONS. HISTORICALLY, THERE HAS BEEN SUBSTANTIAL EXCESS REFINING CAPACITY OUTSIDE OF THE UNITED STATES, ALLOWING FOR RELATIVELY LOW-PRICED PRODUCT IMPORTS. GIVEN STRONG DEMAND GROWTH OF RECENT YEARS, THE AMOUNT OF EXCESS CAPACITY HAS BEEN REDUCED, WHICH IS SENDING PRICE SIGNALS GLOBALLY TO EXPAND CAPACITY. GOVERNMENTS ALSO NEED TO RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF INTERNATIONAL TRADE IN OUR INDUSTRY, AND SHOULD AVOID DOING ANYTHING THAT MIGHT IMPEDE THE FREE FLOW OF CRUDE OIL, REFINED PRODUCTS, CAPITAL AND PEOPLE.

[W8EFA]

Quote[/b] ]THE AVERAGE RETURN ON EQUITY FOR THE PETROLEUM INDUSTRY WAS 11.3%, LOWER ON AVERAGE THAN THE 12.6% RETURN FOR THE S&P 500.

What an excuse! Look up how succesful 11.3 percent on equity is. Those are outstanding profits.

[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (w5klb @ April 23 2006,01:09)]But don't try to convince me that the that these guys aren't restricting the delivery.
It really does come down to this, doesn't it?

I don't believe for one second that there is any restriction going on. There would have to be some massive collusion between the oil companies for that to be true, and it doesn't explain the price fluctuations over the last year.

Supply and demand, simple economics. In this case, demand is controlled by price. Why? Because if the prices were kept low, we'd have shortages and lines. I've asked a number of people if they'd prefer lines and rationing (like in the 70's) to $3.00 a gallon. No takers yet, myself included. This is the trade-off.

I don't think anyone is arguing the profit angle. At high prices, the oil companies make huge profits. BUT, you can buy all you want. At lower prices, the profits wouldn't be as high, but you could expect a return to some form of rationing, which nobody wants.

Where is all the blame 'n' flame I usually see here towards the tree-hugging liberals? Surely everyone sees the environmental angle and why refineries aren't being built left and right. C'mon, neo-cons, you're letting me down here! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

73, Rob

[n2nh]

Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ April 23 2006,08:36)]Where is all the blame 'n' flame I usually see here towards the tree-hugging liberals? Surely everyone sees the environmental angle and why refineries aren't being built left and right. C'mon, neo-cons, you're letting me down here! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

73, Rob
I'll bet they just love it when you talk dirty like that. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[KW4MW]

4EPQuote[/b] ]well we down here in Alabama dont have any moonshine stills no more. . . . . .

So if you folks up there in Virginia / North Carolina area are having a moonshine shortage, there aint much we over here in Alabama can do but get the DUKE boys to make a run past the crooked sheriff who aint getting his share of the money...

Tragically there aren't too many 'shine' makers in all of Appalachia anymore. #Instead of growing corn, buying sugar on the sly, building and maintaining a still and tending to the process of making shine all the good ol' boys have to do anymore is to plant a few seeds along the power line right-of-way, wait a couple of months and then harvest the crop. #

Now there is hardly anything in the crop from which you can make fuel for your automobile but after a few hits you really don't care anyway. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[ka0gkt]

Quote[/b] ]According to the CPI figures 2.78 now would be .61 in 1972. Average gas for one gallon was .36 in 1972 so gas is about 60 percent higher now. In reality gas is more like 3 dollars than $2.78 so it is more like 70% Higher.

Correct, to a point.

The only problem is that the way the government calculates the CPI doesn't factor the gasoline price cap which was in place until, IIRC 1974, and treats changes in energy prices differently from the cost of clothes, and durable goods, like Washers and Dryers (and Ham Radios?). Food is another item which is treated differently from other items in the CPI.

The CPI can make things look really skewed, for instance, a 21" color TV sold in the range of 400.00 in '72 (My dad sold them at his business, so I looked it up). that works out to be a little over $1,900 today when calculating based on tghe inflation rate. Obviously, 21" consoles aren't sold any longer, but 20" table model sets are, and sell for under $200.00 at Wal-Mart, Best Buy, Circuit City and at The Nebraska Furniture Mart. This skews trhe CPI but not the basic inflation rate.

By the way, .38 to .69 is around a 45% increase, not a 55% increase.

73 DE KAØGKT/7

--Steve

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ April 23 2006,04:45)]Quote[/b] ]THE AVERAGE RETURN ON EQUITY FOR THE PETROLEUM INDUSTRY WAS 11.3%, LOWER ON AVERAGE THAN THE 12.6% RETURN FOR THE S&P 500.

What an excuse! Look up how succesful 11.3 percent on equity is. Those are outstanding profits.
Actually, I worked for ARCO then and we went broke, with a negative cash flow problem that required the company to shop for a savior.

FYI, "Return on Equity" has only an extremely loose association with profit. ARCO showed a strongly positive return on equity while experiencing a $1.3 billion loss.

[KD8COO]

Quote[/b] (kd5rpo @ April 22 2006,21:44)]I also agree that KLB has it right. The oil companies now have just about the largest oil reserves in history. One of the excuses is that they have to clean some of the storage tanks.

In areas that have already been switched to gas containing ethanol there is no additional cost.
We now have $3 gas in new mexico and all pumps have been labeled with ethanol for around 8 years. It didn't raise the price back then!
Well, ethanol may not have raised the price per gallon, but it did raise the price of driving for me... I get about 10% LESS MPG on the ethanol blend than I did on real gas. They didn't drop the price of fuel 10% when they forced that horrible ethanol on us. Not to mention the fact that I now have to run a higher octane to avoid detonation...

Ethanol is for drinking, NOT for cars! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[ai4ep]

QUESTION -------------------------

Does ETHANOL get as great of miles-per-gallon (mpg ) as ordinary gasoline ?

As an example -- does a vehicle using ethanol get the same 20 mpg with ethanol that it got without any ethanol in its tank of fuel ?

If it does NOT...why use it ?

The price does not come down one penny ...much less a nickel or a dime or a quarter.

So why mix something in the gas that does not INCREASE the mpg of the vehicle, or lower the price of that gallon of gasoline ( fuel ) ?

...or is this too simple ?

[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ April 23 2006,13:14)]As an example -- does a vehicle using ethanol get the same 20 mpg with ethanol that it got without any ethanol in its tank of fuel ?

If it does NOT...why use it ?
It's government mandated to reduce pollution. Around here, we're force-fed an ethanol blend in the colder months and burn pure gasoline in the warmer months.

It's definately helped the pollution problem here, but it sure hasn't been a free ride.

73, Rob

[kc7jty]

I saw $2.23/gal for gas in Logan, UT about 5/6 days ago. It was around $2.45/gal or less in the entire region of Utah, SW Montana, NW Wyoming, SE Idaho.

[N3ATS]

$2.89 for the regular unleaded here in PA.

Funny how gasoline prices out in the middle of B.F. Nowere (Idaho, Montana, Wyoming) are LOWER than gas prices 50 miles from major refineries.

[W2ILP]

At over $3.00 per gallon it is time to help poor folks get to work. They need food stamps...and now they will need gas stamps.

It is like the highway sign that says:...
EAT HERE...GET GAS....
but what if you only have enough money for only one of those possibilities? I guess you have to take the gas and eat somewhere else in a free soup kitchen.

If Marie Antoinette was alive she might say..."If they can't buy bread let them eat cake and if they can't get gas let them hire helicopters."

w2ilp (Increased Living Prices)...for everyone on the move.

[W5IEI]

Why don't you walk,or get another job.
The time spent complaining on here you could have covered several miles http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Mike

[ve2nsm]

Stop complaining, it's 3.90 a gallon here.
And still is cheaper than Europe.

[W2ILP]

w5iei,,,Mike...

I'd walk a million miles for one of your smiles.
# -Al Johlson--

I have often walked on this street before but the pavement didn't stay beneath my feet before.
# --from "My Fair Lady"--

To understand poverty you must walk in the shoes of the poor.
You probably can't get toe nail fungus until you walk in a Blackfoot Indian's moccasins.
--Source Unknown (possibly from community shower floors)--

w2ilp (Indigent Laboring Plodders)...may have less time to work for both the company stores and the (Increasingly Luxurious Pumps) # This is no joking matter. #It could lead to inflation of everything including blisters.

[K5UOS]

My understanding is that ethanol increases octane. As such it would actually improve the engines performance and I assume that would include miles per gallon. I suspect that some of the high octane fuels may already be ethanol blends.

If the US was able to switch to ethanol would Nebraska becoming a member of OPEC? Or would EXXON just buy Nebraska?

K5UOS

WHAT IS FUEL ETHANOL?

Ethanol is a clean-burning, high-octane fuel that is produced from renewable sources. At its most basic, ethanol is grain alcohol, produced from crops such as corn. Because it is domestically produced, ethanol helps reduce America's dependence upon foreign sources of energy.

Pure, 100% ethanol is not generally used as a motor fuel; instead, a percentage of ethanol is combined with unleaded gasoline. This is beneficial because the ethanol:

decreases the fuel's cost
increases the fuel's octane rating
decreases gasoline's harmful emissions
Any amount of ethanol can be combined with gasoline, but the most common blends are:

E10 - 10% ethanol and 90% unleaded gasoline

E10 is approved for use in any make or model of vehicle sold in the U.S. Many automakers recommend its use because of its high performance, clean-burning characteristics. In 2004, about one-third of America's gasoline was blended with ethanol, most in this 10% variety.

E85 - 85% ethanol and 15% unleaded gasoline

E85 is an alternative fuel for use in flexible fuel vehicles (FFVs). There are currently more than 4 million FFVs on America's roads today, and automakers are rolling out more each year. In conjunction with more flexible fuel vehicles, more E85 pumps are being installed across the country. When E85 is not avaialble, these FFVs can operate on straight gasoline or any ethanol blend up to 85%.

[K9STH]

ILP:

The correct line from the song in "My Fair Lady" is:

"I have often walked down this street before;
But the pavement always stayed beneath my feet before."

Your version "I have often walked on this street before but the pavement didn't stay beneath my feet before" is the wrong tense among other things.

See this website for the actual words:

http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/myfairlady/onthestreetwhereyoulive.htm

"West Side Story" and "My Fair Lady" are two of my favorite musical productions. "Oklahoma" and "Paint your Wagon" are two more.

Glen, K9STH

[K7JEM]

Octane has nothing to do with fuel economy, or how well a fuel operates. A "minimum octane" is required for engines, but once that octane level is reached, increasing octane levels have no impact on how well or efficient an engine will run.

Efficiencies seem to be based on the BTU/gal of the specific fuel being used. I have an SUV that runs on propane, and propane is very high octane, maybe around 110 or so. My MPG is much less on propane than it is when running on gasoline, presumably because there is less "heat" available by burning a gallon of propane as opposed to a gallon of gasoline. The same is probably true of ethanol.

Joe

[K7JEM]

Propane:
1 Gal Propane = 91,600 Btu's


Gasoline:
1 Gal Gasoline (mid grade) = 125,000 Btu's

Ethanol:
1 Gal Ethanol = 76,000 Btu's

So, a 10% blend of ethanol should have a BTU content of about 125000-12500= 112500 + 7600 = 120100, or about 5% less BTU per gallon.

My experience with propane is right on for the BTU's given. I get 18 MPG on gasoline and 13 on propane. The ratio of BTU is 1.36 the MPG ratio is 1.38. Pretty close.

Joe

[W2ILP]

sth

...All at once am I several stories high.
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?? That is a correct tense for an archetectural erection.

Hmmmm...No further comment.

w2ilp (Incorrectly Located Pavement?) #You're exactly correct sir. #I have no firm grounds to stand on my error.

[W2ILP]

I get no trip from propane,
Mere ethanol doesn't thrill me at all...
but I get a trip out of gas!

w2ilp (Intermediately Laced Petroleum) is not always what it's cracked up to be. When does octane become knockturnal? When it gets too corney.

[W2ILP]

Octane tells how well a fuel operates because it is really a measure of how a certain volume of gas can produce the peak force of its combustion at a desireable and uniform #period of time after ignition. #If a gas is unstable its octane will be unstable and this occurs when some additives are added... but may also be stabilized by adding some other additives. Engines are designed and timed to work with certiain octanes. #Unleaded gas that is now used requires more care to prevent knocking. #If a gas produces force too quickly we have precombustion that causes inefficiency. #There is also a loss of efficiency if the gas does not produce peak force during the engines combustion cycle time and there is a great loss of efficiency if the peak combustion force does not occur in a uniform manner.

Chemically Octane is one of a class of the methane series of hydrocarbons C8H18 but OCTANE NUMBER is a measure of the relative anti-knock properties of gasoline. #High octane gas has no advantage if an engine is tuned for a lower octane.

Octane is Octane in any case and even when gas costs over three bucks per gallon you can bet its price will always end in 9/10 of a cent so it may seem like it costs a penny less from a distance.

w2ilp (Ignition Launches Pistons)...which crank your shafts smoothly when the Octane number is right.

[KC2ESD]

Oh Just "Focus" on better Milage Cars and the price of gas will drop. If every one drives a car like mine gas prices would not be a problem.
Rick KC2ESD a Ford Focus ZX-3 owner

[kg4kww]

I have told you all not to drink the corn squeezens as they are to be used for auto fuel.