Illegal

[KA7RRA]

I was listing to 710 KIRO last night talk show radio, and they had a interesting question last night

If the mother and father are illegal and they bring their kids with them and they go to school from K-12th grade

or if the kids are born in the USA and the parents are illegal what about the kids are they illegal also do we send the whole family back?

They where talking with a illegal emigrant last night and he said he has illegal docs but has been paying taxes for the last 12 yrs or so

[kd5rpo]

An emigrant is someone who leaves the US and goes to another country.

When you speak of kids going back to their parents' native country, if they were born here they are citizens of the US and require authorization to live in Mexico. They can not be forced out of the US. Because their parents are Mexican nationals I don't think the Mexican government would interfere. There may be some papers to be filled out.

If the kids and parents are all citizens of Mexico there should be no problem returning.
There might be a delay at the border in order to be sure they are native to Mexico.

[K0RGR]

If the kids are born here, they are U.S. citizens.

Anti-illegal - immigration folk think that should be changed, but I am not convinced.

[kk7ue]

710 KIRO was the first mistake http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[kb2vxa]

I repeat, there is no such thing as illegal immigration. Anyone can come, anyone can stay, the INS is obsolete, the door is wide open. If this were not the case, why then is the government now so afraid of towel heads hijacking private planes? Hmmm?

"710 KIRO was the first mistake"
Yeah, WOR has to share the frequency after dark! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[k0ro]

One option if the child is a U.S. citizen is to deport the entire family; then, when that child reaches the age of majority he/she could return to the United States.

Such children are often called "anchor babies" and can be the hub that results in many people legally immigrating over time. I think the constitution may be a bit ambiguous on the question as to whether these children, born in the U.S. to illegal aliens, are citizens or not.

Quote[/b] ]"all persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States"

Just what does it mean to be "subject to the jurisdiction thereof?"

The intent of those crafting this part of the 14th amendment is not unclear.

Quote[/b] ]"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.

Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.

The primary inspiration for the 14th amendment was to address and redress wrongs being committed against former slaves.

There has not been a test case heard before the U.S. Supreme Court as to whether this amendment automatically makes the children of illegal immigrants, if born here, citizens. Those of us who believe that the intent of the writers is known and should be followed would like to see such a test case, and I have heard a rumor that one has started.

It would have been suicidal to this cause to have heard such a case with the Court's composition over the past decade or two, unless Justice Ginsberg prevailed upon her colleagues to consult and respect the laws of other nations on this matter in interpreting the Constitution, which is one of her tendencies. If so, then the Court would rule that these children are not citizens. Actually, as long as Justice Ginsberg were consistent with her application of the laws of other nations, and the originalists on the Court held to their method of Constituional interpretation, the issue would be likely be decided that such children are not citizens. The fear is that Justice Ginsberg might selectively use the laws of other nations in order to support whatever result she deemed "fair."

It may not be suicidal to bring this case today.

I expect many of you to disagree with me. As I've stated before I believe that (1) the intent of those who wrote the amendment, if clearly known, should be followed (whether I like it or not) and (2) that those here illegally are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. I am fearful, however, that a judge might rule that the very act of labeling someone's status as being her legally or illegally, or enforcing other laws (criminal laws) against such persons while in this country, makes them de facto subject to our jurisdiction.

Happy Saturday!
Art

[w5klb]

We cannot afford to help people who break our laws by entering our nation illegally. The far left thinks that we should make "citizens" out of all these people. Bush on the other side of the spectrum, would like a "guest worker" program that also encourages this illegal activity. Mexico and El Presidente Fox, are NOT going to help because his country needs our dollars for his economy to run. The Mexicans that come here are impoverished and can't make a living for their families so they come seeking a better life to support their families. Understandable, but they are going about it in the wrong fashion. It seems that our neighbor to the south wants us to pay dearly for their internal economic woes.

It makes me wonder just how much of a "good citizen" these people would make if they broke our laws to get here in the first place. It also makes me wonder how good of "parents" they are by teaching their children that breaking our laws, or any law, is an acceptible practice. Children usually follow the example of their parents. This will start a chain of criminality that would be passed on to the next generation. This is already occurring with some Mexican, and Guatamalin gangs out on the West Coast. They have packed our jails, are further overloading our prisons and our judicial system. Making them "citizens" would NOT solve the problem, it would only make it worse by giving them a "nod" that it's okay to continue to break our laws. #

As the illegals cross, there are rapes, stealing, destruction of private property, littering, drug deals, and death. And some of you actually want to give "citizenship" status to these kinds of people? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

Also, take into account that Mexicans are not the only "illegals" that are crossing our boarder. A terrorist can cross our southern boarder also. So, this isn't just a "illegal immigrant" problem, IT'S A MATTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY. And who says that some Mexicans who have crossed our boarder can't be somehow tied to terrorism?

Any choice we make to solve this problem is going to cost us $$$$$ big time. Deportation, building a barrier of some sort, sending out the National Guard, placing more boarder patrols, etc., etc.,won't be easy or cheap. We will be paying this bill for a long time.

I'm sorry, but I have no sympathy for lawbreakers of any sort no matter if they are citizens or not. Somehow, some way, we must say "enough is enough". We are a nation of laws, and we must have the ability to enforce these laws whether the far left and the Mexicans think so or not.

Post to be filed under the heading "For What It's Worth".

[N6WK]

Wow Gary,
I agree 100 %. Very Good Post, IMHO.

73,
Gordon

[ai4ep]

...but really ---who listens to am radio ?

The 2 local stations went to playing gospel music to try to keep an audience 7 days a week. Nothing wrong with that idea but 20 years ago, it would have been a lousy idea for programming.

[w5klb]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ April 22 2006,18:23)]...but really ---who listens to am radio ?
I do. 1170 kHz, KFAQ at 50 kw out of Tulsa.

I used to listen late nights to Art Bell a.k.a W6OBB on our local radio station on AM.

When I was living in Chicago, I would listen to old radio programs like "The Shadow", Jack Benny, and Amos and Andy on "News Radio SSSSSeventy-Eight", WBBM.

Lot's of neat stuff on AM these days, or at least it is to me. Maybe you're living in the wrong part of the country for good AM broadcasting programs.

[N7YS]

Ponder this. How many of these illegals will stand and fight for the US when the next wave of illegals comes in from, say, China? Betcha they find their way back across the border real quick-like then. Can you fathom the political rhetoric in Foggy Bottom when China demands to send the same percentage of illegals here that have come from the Mexico population? Lets see, 10% of a billion is how many? Guess again, I don't think the Chinese will be voting for any of our politicians. Or the Koreans. Or the Russians. Or the
Folks, it will cost to straighten up the mess now. But it is possible now. Not after you let 12 million illegals stay without becoming legal, through legal channels. The next 120 million or 200 million illegals sent in by all the other countries demanding their "fair share" won't enter legally, either. And you won't have any "legal authority" to toss them out after you give the first 12 million amnesty.
N7YS

[n0jaa]

Simple solution. Round up all illegal aliens and give them 30 days to leave the country. No ifs, ands, or buts. If, after 30 days, they are still here, then list them as enemies of the State and deal with them accordingly.