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n2nh
04-21-2006, 09:42 AM
Every time I check in here, it seems that the winds of change pass by a fair amount of us. Why? Because nobody wants to see things progress, because while the world changes, Amateurs are content to nit-pick, making snide remarks along the way to thwart those who want to progress. Progression is a dirty word. It means I might have to change. Even think that there is a new possibility that might be the way things are done soon.

1) The Read My Lips Dude. This is the guy who says read between the lines. Then when you ask, so by this what you're saying is ____? His reply, "I never said that."

2) The Fence Straddler. This guy who wants to make a point but also wants to sit on the fence. Then if you try to get the gist of it, he pulls back and says your all wrong. Yep, this dude is real enigmatic.

3) The Projector. He waits until you say something then has the smart answer of "I know You are but what am I." We all know full well, he's operating out of a belief system that says, I'd do this, so that must be what you're doing.

4) The Sniper. He lets his friend bait the thread, trolling for a reaction. Then when someone answers, his friend has disappeared and he takes over. Must be some interesting e-mail between them.

5) The Accuser. He likes to point out all your problems, but never acknowleges his own. He quotes from the worst sources, but God help you if you try that one. You know better than that dontcha sonny?

6) Head them off at the pass. I've just done this, but I'm accusing you of doing it so you can't use the same tactic on me. I'll frustrate you until you give up. If he's married she's maso.

7) Cirular Logic. Make point A, they'll start on point B, make point B and they're off to point C, make point C and we're back to point A. Pointless.

8) The Clueless. They'll come up with every cliche they heard on their favorite radio show. If you manage to intelligently disprove that one, they'll just go to the next one, ad naseum. Don't try to convince them, you godless commie you.

9) Tit fer Tat. You say Coulter, They say Franken. They say Kennedy, You say Laura. Let's not forget Clinton/Bush, Carter/Reagan, etc. Really enlightening.

10) Spin Bots. If there's a story, it's not true, because the person was put in that position by a guy who was in office 8 years ago. If you point that out, it's just a political football and what's the difference they all lie. If you point out that the party in power is the controlling party, then it's the LIBERAL PRESS. Yep, the same one they quote when they agree with it.

11) You're wrong, I'm always right. If you make a point, you're just doing that because it agrees with you position. If you disagree it's only because you didn't like the results. Yep, they NEVER do anything like that. Must smell like roses when they leave the bathroom.

12) You're just miserable. They're always pointing out howe how miserable you are. Meanwhile, they're doing 8 hours of spin for free to bolster they're hero. Wonder what's going on downstairs? On the block they live on? In their city? They dunno, they do know you're miserable though. Riiiight.

13) Hey Dummy! Yep, you're STUPID. You're not getting it. You're not listening. My logic is crystal clear - dude, did your mom drop you on your head or something?

I'm certain you've seen these denizens of the troll patrol. I know them well and you're just wasting your time. They know everything and will pounce like a pack of rats on you if you try to intelligently discourse with them. They know better - so don't try.

Of course, with the polls (Liberal ones) the way they are, we'll see in November. Hope they're ready for that one.

This in no way is to cast a disparaging eye to those with legitimate experience or those who can intelligently talk point for point without name calling or any of the above. They have my respect no matter how big our differences and they should not presume to be described above.

Enjoy. Summer's here and the legs are starting to work. I'll be DXing from the great outdoors with a nice blue sky as my roof. Even saw one of those Roller-derby girls today. She's got a nice smile.

KA9VQF
04-21-2006, 10:38 AM
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al2i
04-21-2006, 11:20 AM
Quote[/b] (KA9VQF @ April 21 2006,03:38)]13
Don't be so hard on yourself Tom.

KG4CGC
04-21-2006, 12:05 PM
Change can be good but it is our resistance to change that has everyone grumbling.
#
# "Summer's here and the legs are starting to work."
# I hope it's due to more than just the warm weather http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
I've always loved Spring and Summer.
Not to put down people who like cooler climates but you can keep your cold.
# It never fails however, the second and third week of April always find me. The airborne poison ivy finds me that is. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

AC0H
04-21-2006, 12:11 PM
Quote[/b] ] Amateurs are content to nit-pick, making snide remarks along the way to thwart those who want to progress. #Progression is a dirty word. #It means I might have to change. #Even think that there is a new possibility that might be the way things are done soon. #

Who defines what "progress" is?
Progress for you might be the downhill slide of civilization as we know it for someone else, and visa-versa.

The most misused word in the english language is progress.

I once heard some overpaid underworked supposedly scholarly harvard type say that humans must change, that change in and of itself was a good thing.

I don't believe change for the sake of change is ever a good thing. That's usually how we screw things up royally.

KG4CGC
04-21-2006, 12:17 PM
How about adapt?
I had to adapt to compete with our Mexican friends. Very nice people but too willing to work for TOO little money.

al2i
04-21-2006, 12:25 PM
Quote[/b] (AC0H @ April 21 2006,05:11)]I don't believe change for the sake of change is ever a good thing. That's usually how we screw things up royally.
First, do not harm.

Unfortunately, when you live in a free country, someone always wants change.

ai4ep
04-21-2006, 12:25 PM
Looks like he has all the bases covered. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

KW4MW
04-21-2006, 12:29 PM
You realize that n2nh is setting us all up don't you?

He omited this one:

14. #You are all a bunch of stupid cliches' but I am above all that.

AC0H
04-21-2006, 12:40 PM
Quote[/b] ]How about adapt?
#I had to adapt to compete with our Mexican friends. Very nice people but too willing to work for TOO little money.
I think there's a difference between personally adapting to a changing job market and making wholesale, usually irreversable changes in society based on somebodies educated or uneducated best guess. #
People place too much creedence in University studies and such. Five years ago we were told drinking red wine could help prevent heart attacks. Just this year we find out it ain't true. Same thing with Omega 3 fatty acids (fish oil),.....nope.

I think the biggest problem we have in this country is that we entrust to much power over our lives and take as gospel the publications and studies produced by a group of people who're basically professional students.

Yes, our Mexican friends do work for too little but compared to what they made in Mexico they're standing in comparative high cotton.

al2i
04-21-2006, 12:46 PM
Quote[/b] (KW4MW @ April 21 2006,05:29)]You realize that n2nh is setting us all up don't you?

He omited this one:

14. You are all a bunch of stupid cliches' but I am above all that.
Well, he just committed a 5-6 didn't he? He closed with a #12, but might pull a #1-2 if I call him on it.

I think it is a strategic error, as almost anything he has ever posted or ever will post could be associated to something on his own list. I think that is what Shakespeare meant with his phrase "...hoisted by his own petard".

W2ILP
04-21-2006, 12:48 PM
Are amateurs a close minded bunch?
NO.

w2ilp (I Listen Pateintly)..My opinions can change but change must be in keeping with what is ethically, logically, technically, morally, and/or humanely correct. I am skeptical of anything that may be based on religious "certainty", political dictatorship, spirituality or superstitious mumbo jumbo.

K7DMB
04-21-2006, 12:48 PM
ALL THE ABOVE http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

KW4MW
04-21-2006, 12:54 PM
Quote[/b] ]I think it is a strategic error, as almost anything he has ever posted or ever will post could be associated to something on his own list. I think that is what Shakespeare meant with his phrase "...hoisted by his own petard".
Yep!

N9XR
04-21-2006, 01:49 PM
Quote[/b] ]I don't believe change for the sake of change is ever a good thing. That's usually how we screw things up royally.

Amen brother. I was against the change to invade and occupy Iraq. But we continued to screw things up royally. You are so right there.

w0aew
04-21-2006, 01:54 PM
Change is bad, children. Mmmmkay?

Don't do change. Mmmmkay?

w3sy
04-21-2006, 04:32 PM
Translation:

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KA9VQF
04-21-2006, 06:32 PM
Quote[/b] (al2i @ April 21 2006,04:20)]13
Don't be so hard on yourself Tom.
Perhaps I should have said “Yeah well,… 13 to you then!!”

That is closer to what I meant didn’t mean to refer it back to myself.
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kl7aj
04-21-2006, 06:39 PM
Just remember, Hitler called his concepts "progress." Just cuz it's new doesn't mean it's better.

Eric

kg4kww
04-21-2006, 06:47 PM
In a Nut Shell the answer to the question Are Amateurs A Closed Minded Bunch? is YES.
The CW issue is major proof of it.

K0RGR
04-21-2006, 06:49 PM
Are Amateurs a closed minded bunch?

Surely not here at www.amishradio.com.

Internet discussions are not representative of ham radio as a whole. If they were, we'd go back to using spark gaps.

The great pundits are saying that the national trend toward 'conservatism' may have peaked, and started to recede. Too many people confuse being naysayers with being conservative.

kg4kww
04-21-2006, 07:48 PM
Your link doesn't work K0RGR

AC0H
04-21-2006, 09:39 PM
Quote[/b] ]In a Nut Shell the answer to the question Are Amateurs A Closed Minded Bunch? is YES.
The CW issue is major proof of it.

What CW issue?

W2ILP
04-21-2006, 10:40 PM
For those who are anti-change... I can only see them as Luddites. Perhaps they want to go back to yesteryear and use spark transmitters...or even further and be restricted to smoke signals. Maybe they want to elect a dictator who can be president for life and will his position to his children like a monarch does. Maybe they want to be Republicans or go back far enough to be Pagans..

If you ever took care of an infant...You might smell when it is time for a change. Politically I'm always open to change when the B.S. gets too deep.

The CW issue will eventually go away after there is no longer any need to memorize the Morse Alphabet to get an HF ham license....and the present FISTS all get arthritis.

w2ilp (Immaturity Lasts Perenially)...but progressive growth is a changing process.

WA5KRP
04-21-2006, 11:06 PM
The more change the better.


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n2nh
04-22-2006, 10:25 AM
Quote[/b] ]Who defines what "progress" is?

Sounds like "what do you mean by 'is'?" Let progress denote a move forward whether it be in time or just change. Horse drawn stagecoaches were replaced by Interurbans and in turn by buses. Here in New York the city used to change every 20 years. Now it is changing every 5 to 10 years. There's Social Progress (defined) (*link*) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_progress) like the grandiose ideas of Regan and Bush. Obviously 'compassionate conservatism' has been dropped so just like glasnost, it is roadkill on the progressive highway. Then there's what many Hams see as progress, DSP, Echolink, VoiP, DSS, etc. Just as AM superceded CW as most used mode and SSB in turn superceded AM, some of this will happen. Packet seems to be losing to the Web, but we'll see. Seems that here time is attempting to do the impossible - stand still.

Be ready. Time stands still for no man.

n2nh
04-22-2006, 10:29 AM
Quote[/b] (KW4MW @ April 21 2006,08:29)]You realize that n2nh is setting us all up don't you?

He omited this one:

14. You are all a bunch of stupid cliches' but I am above all that.
Ahhh.. #3 in action.

I never said that. And unlike #1, I'm not being cryptic. If I was, there wouldn't be so many, so upset by so little. In my job you're paid to observe. Like Rod Serling, that's what I did. Rod wasn't God and neither am I. Nor am I trying to be 'above all that'. But your Public display of outrage seems strange. Must've been something I did. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

n2nh
04-22-2006, 10:38 AM
Quote[/b] (al2i @ April 21 2006,08:46)]Quote[/b] (KW4MW @ April 21 2006,05:29)]You realize that n2nh is setting us all up don't you?

He omited this one:

14. You are all a bunch of stupid cliches' but I am above all that.
Well, he just committed a 5-6 didn't he? He closed with a #12, but might pull a #1-2 if I call him on it.

I think it is a strategic error, as almost anything he has ever posted or ever will post could be associated to something on his own list. I think that is what Shakespeare meant with his phrase "...hoisted by his own petard".
"To thine own self be true. And it must follow, as the night the day, Thou can not then be false to any man.”

This thread is "Much Ado About Nothing" unless it has struck a nerve. If it has, maybe the truth revealed is just a bit much for some.

To paraphrase: "The posters doth protest too much, methinks."

Seems that behavior is reinforced by repetitiveness. I ask the reader to correlate posts with the original message.

n2nh
04-22-2006, 10:48 AM
Quote[/b] (kl7aj @ April 21 2006,14:39)]Just remember, Hitler called his concepts "progress." Just cuz it's new doesn't mean it's better.

Eric
If Hitler had stuck to the confines of Germany,
If Hitler had not tried to exterminate those who opposed him or used scapegoats,
If Hitler had not used slave labor,

there would've been some remarkable accomplishments made in progress, which we now take for granted.

The Geosynchronous Satellite (invention: Rocket)
The Interstate Highway System (invention: autobahn)
Atomic Power and Radiation (we would've never started on it if we didn't think he was working on it)
Intercontinental Air Travel (invention: Long Range Bombers)
Jet Engines (invention: Practical Modern Jet Engine)
[yes the British invented them, the Germans put them in the air in quantity and they worked]
Unified Europe (ie: European Union, Common Market, et. al. done for economic factors rather than by war. Notice that Germany is the 'capital' of the EU - coincidence?)

Instead Hitler was a meglo-maniacal madman and murderer. Thank God he didn't listen to his generals.

Sometimes change doesn't come easy. But it still comes. If we didn't accept that change happens during WW II, we'd be speaking German by now.

n2nh
04-22-2006, 10:50 AM
Quote[/b] (KA9VQF @ April 21 2006,06:38)]13
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