QRZ EchoLink Node

[KI4KWR]

Does anything feel it could be a good idea?

[kg4kww]

Yes, I think it would be a very good idea. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif It would allow folks of all license classes to participate.

However, is QRZ.COM brave enough to have a net on EchoLink?

[KI6ADA]

lets go for it http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[al2i]

I prefer IRLP ... at least you need a radio.

[al2i]

Give me a shout on 3027

[KB9YCO]

Echolink is fun when the end result is RF, but I don't know that you really need a QRZ.COM node since all people have to do is post their personal nodes or nodes of choice. Or they could put it in their callsign lookup profile like many people do, but I don't know that a specific one for the website would be necessary. If someone wanted to do it I'd stop by, but I won't get into some of the banter that I may get into online, most of that is better left online and off the air, I'm sure many of you know what I mean.
Lately I've even been wondering whether some of the discussions we have here are appropriate for a mostly amateur radio website anyway. While I know that myself and others appreciate QRZ.COM providing an extra forum that involves sometimes controversial debates I'm starting to wonder if perhaps, at least for me personally, it isn't appropriate on what is for most intents and purposes an amateur website. If I'm wrong someone say so, I just wonder what the average newbie or non-radio person would say about some of the argumentative things that go on here if they just happened upon the site looking for information about radio. Do you think they equate what gets said here with on-air conduct? I hope not. While ve enjoyed the posts that were thoughtful discussions, which I believe is most of them, I'm just wondering if they are properly placed. Just a thought.

[kf4vgx]

QRZ.COM #,Conference server #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif .



I'll get right on it #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif .


Communications, And it all begins with one word: "Hello." Voice over IP

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The concept is simple yet profound. The friendliest word in the English language is "Hello." Voice over IP is all the rage these days, but this year everyone -- radio amateurs most of all -- should celebrate the fact that people have been saying "hello" to one another by radio for 100 years.

Radio (or wireless) is both old and new at the same time. It was heralded as a modern miracle at the dawn of the twentieth century and is still being applied in new and miraculous ways, with no end in sight.

Amateur Radio, too, is both old and new. We honor and maintain our traditions even as we explore and embrace new radiocommunication technologies. We lovingly restore vintage equipment one day and marvel at the features of the latest transceiver the next.

But Amateur Radio is about more than just equipment. It's about people. It's about working together to benefit our communities during public service events so we will know how to work together when a natural disaster strikes. It's about meeting people from outside our normal circle of acquaintances, whether across town or across the ocean. It's about discovering we share common interests with someone we may never see in person, but whom we soon will be saying is our friend.

And it all begins with one word: "Hello."

One of the six tenets of "The Amateur's Code," originally written in 1928 by Paul M. Segal, W9EEA, is: "The Radio Amateur is Friendly...slow and patient operating when requested; friendly advice and counsel to the beginner; kindly assistance, cooperation and consideration for the interests of others. These are the hallmarks of the amateur spirit." Few of us whose lives have been enriched by Amateur Radio would be so blessed had we not encountered, early on, at least one personification of Segal's words. Today we call them "Elmers," although they have many names and are female as well as male. It is in this spirit that the "Hello" campaign extends an invitation to the public to join us in experiencing the magic of Amateur Radio.
See link,

http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2006/04/01/1/?nc=1

[kc7jty]

The big boys won't talk on Tew Metare. It's gotta be HF, get your Morse test passed!

[kf4vgx]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ April 03 2006,19:03)]The big boys won't talk on Tew Metare. It's gotta be HF, get your Morse test passed!
I am one of the * Big Boys *

I talk anywhere there is an amateur to talk to http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (kf4vgx @ April 04 2006,18:09)]I talk anywhere there is an amateur to talk to http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
jty needs to discuss things with a professional.



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[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (kf4vgx @ April 03 2006,19:09)]I am one of the * Big Boys *

I talk anywhere there is an amateur to talk to #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Bless you my son, verily verily I tell you your reward will be great.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (al2i @ April 03 2006,19:14)]Quote[/b] (kf4vgx @ April 04 2006,18:09)]I talk anywhere there is an amateur to talk to #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
jty needs to discuss things with a professional.



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professional WHAT?

[KE5FRF]

Great Idea!...If you get an Echolink Conference server going, I will get my node back up (It'll cost a little money, but I'll do it) and we can have a blast!

I personally don't have the ability to dedicate a conference server, or the bandwidth (dial-up)

73, Great Idea.

[WZ4I]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ April 04 2006,18:28)]Quote[/b] (kf4vgx @ April 03 2006,19:09)]I am one of the * Big Boys *

I talk anywhere there is an amateur to talk to http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Bless you my son, verily verily I tell you your reward will be great.
ROTFLMAO http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[kr4wm]

Once upon a time there was a rock band. They were very successful, and made lots of very popular music. There was also a small undercurrent of jealous people who were unhappy that this rock group was so successful. They wanted to be band members and make music that the masses would enjoy too! The only problem was, they weren't willing to learn how to play the music like all bands played. In fact, they weren't interested in the learning how to use the instruments at all! But they DID want to make music! So- this group of malcontents went out and discovered that they could hide a small music player in their pocket, lip sync, and pretend that they were singing and playing instruments. They thought they were so good that they just KNEW they wouldn't fail! So- they went forth and started their own rock band. They were called Milli Vanilli. See the parallel here? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[kc7jty]

***************RACIST*****************

[KE5FRF]

Quote[/b] (kr4wm @ April 05 2006,10:07)]Once upon a time there was a rock band. They were very successful, and made lots of very popular music. There was also a small undercurrent of jealous people who were unhappy that this rock group was so successful. They wanted to be band members and make music that the masses would enjoy too! The only problem was, they weren't willing to learn how to play the music like all bands played. In fact, they weren't interested in the learning how to use the instruments at all! But they DID want to make music! So- this group of malcontents went out and discovered that they could hide a small music player in their pocket, lip sync, and pretend that they were singing and playing instruments. They thought they were so good that they just KNEW they wouldn't fail! So- they went forth and started their own rock band. They were called Milli Vanilli. See the parallel here? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Then there was the guy who played music and owned an instrument, who wrote songs all day about how much he hates people who enjoy lip-sync music at karaoke bars. He would stand on the street corner with his banjo and an upturned hat singing his anti-lip-sync songs while people walked in and out of the karaoke bars, having a good time and enjoying the fun atmosphere. It did not matter to these folks that they didn't own a guitar and probably couldn't really sing worth a lick, the point to these people was that they really enjoy music and they also like having a good time. No, these folks will never cut an album or get a record contract, but it doesn't matter, because they enjoy what they do, and as they walk out of the karaoke bar and see the poor fellow on the street corner with his banjo, a seemingly talented and gifted man, they toss a quarter into the empty hat, hoping he can sum up enough money to buy a decent meal, because no matter how talented he may be, nobody cares about his talent but him.

And then there was the group of musicians who do in fact play instruments in the band, who go to karaoke bars and lip-sync just for the fun of it, because playing in a band for a living is sometimes too serious, and they like to go sing lip-sync just to have an alternative form of entertainment.

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[kc7jty]

another person who's reward will be great.

[kr4wm]

Quote[/b] (KE5FRF @ April 05 2006,10:16)]Then there was the guy who played music and owned an instrument, who wrote songs all day about how much he hates people who enjoy lip-sync music at karaoke bars. He would stand on the street corner with his banjo and an upturned hat singing his anti-lip-sync songs while people walked in and out of the karaoke bars, having a good time and enjoying the fun atmosphere. It did not matter to these folks that they didn't own a guitar and probably couldn't really sing worth a lick, the point to these people was that they really enjoy music and they also like having a good time. No, these folks will never cut an album or get a record contract, but it doesn't matter, because they enjoy what they do, and as they walk out of the karaoke bar and see the poor fellow on the street corner with his banjo, a seemingly talented and gifted man, they toss a quarter into the empty hat, hoping he can sum up enough money to buy a decent meal, because no matter how talented he may be, nobody cares about his talent but him.

And then there was the group of musicians who do in fact play instruments in the band, who go to karaoke bars and lip-sync just for the fun of it, because playing in a band for a living is sometimes too serious, and they like to go sing lip-sync just to have an alternative form of entertainment.
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The only difference is- mine is a true story- yours is made up.... -KR4WM

[N1MLF]

There's a conference server that a few of us frequent since it isn't loaded with repeaters to try coordinating HF freqs. IMHO it's much better than trying to keep up with a thread here following a moving net.
Sure it isn't RF & theres no repeaters involved BUT it also isn't AIM, Yahoo, Skype etc..

/rant mode on http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
But no matter who checks in you know they are a ham operator & not joe keyboard. They have, at least, the basic qualifications, from their respective licensing authority, to partake in the hobby.
Face it folks.. VOIP is here in many forms & it's here to stay. Echolink being one of them with close to 300,000 nodes world wide. At any given time there are 2-3000 nodes active.
Now if ya like the mode by all means feel free ot use it. If ya don't like the mode then don't use it. Simple as that!
However, standing on a 'keyboard soapbox', preaching your views of negativity only deters others from joining "your" ranks & modes of operation. It also speaks volumes of your regard toward the amateur code and toleration of fellow hams in general unless they walk in *your* footsteps.
So chill out!!
/rant mode off

AFAIK you need a dedicated DSL line 'T1' prefered, dedicated computer & a free software download to put a conference server online along with the verification & authentication process that Echolink requires. Furthermore servers can be established as 'open' or 'private' if necessary & only allow 'accepted callsigns'. If required this feature could limit access to those only interested in net activities.

..food for thought..

Anyway.. I have some info regarding the process as I was interested in setting up a conference server. Feel free to ask & I'll pass on the info.

73..JW..

[WZ4I]

Link (http://messenger.yahoo.com/download.php;_ylt=AigVksjnlKj2REtow5D7T1pwMMIF)

[KB9YCO]

It never ceases to amaze me that just the very mention of Echolink or VOIP starts a debate. (Of course it doesn't stop me from jumping in either, but it is amusing.)

IT'S JUST REMOTE LINKING PEOPLE, NOTHING MORE.

And in most cases the end result is RF in an amateur band. Therefore it doesn't equate to Milli Vanilli or Yahoo Messenger, and it certainly doesn't replace HF or traditional radio to radio contact since the type of usage is not the same. It's remote linking via the internet towards the end result of RF in an amateur band. One does not replace the other in the same way that a hammer does not replace a screwdriver (had to say it yet again), it's just another tool in the tool box. Some of you guys need to lighten up a bit.

[KE5FRF]

KB9YCO,

They'll keep making their comments, and we'll keep making ours. Like you said, it's quite humorous the lengths people will go to to put down something. I wish some of these folks would devote as much time and energy toward something REALLY worth while like third world hunger or charity. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[kf4vgx]

Quote[/b] (KB9YCO @ April 05 2006,12:31)]It never ceases to amaze me that just the very mention of Echolink or VOIP starts a debate. (Of course it doesn't stop me from jumping in either, but it is amusing.)

IT'S JUST REMOTE LINKING PEOPLE, NOTHING MORE.

And in most cases the end result is RF in an amateur band. Therefore it doesn't equate to Milli Vanilli or Yahoo Messenger, and it certainly doesn't replace HF or traditional radio to radio contact since the type of usage is not the same. It's remote linking via the internet towards the end result of RF in an amateur band. One does not replace the other in the same way that a hammer does not replace a screwdriver (had to say it yet again), it's just another tool in the tool box. Some of you guys need to lighten up a bit.
Well said , have you noticed it's usually the same Ole song by the same Ole people.

Some even change their call signs.
But still the same old as-pirin bottles.


They just can't seem to get it out of their cud http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[kb2vxa]

"One does not replace the other in the same way that a hammer does not replace a screwdriver..."

You mean to tell me you never hammered in a screw? DAY-UM!
Wee don' nee' no ekko steenkin' baa-jeez!

"They just can't seem to get it out of their cud"

Lak mah pappy useta say, ahl be a rhuminatin' on it.
Naaaahhhh.

[PE1RDW]

How many actualy use echolink solely trough links and repeaters?
I have a non -l or -r password for echolink but haven't used that for about a year, I do run a 24/7 -l node linked to our local 2m simplex QRG. The users of the QRG enjoy when a previus unheard station pops in just to say hello, it adds life to the QRG.

[KB9YCO]

Quote[/b] ]"One does not replace the other in the same way that a hammer does not replace a screwdriver..."

You mean to tell me you never hammered in a screw?
OK, you got me on that one, but one still doesn't truly replace the other.

Quote[/b] ]How many actualy use echolink solely trough links and repeaters?
I have a non -l or -r password for echolink but haven't used that for about a year, I do run a 24/7 -l node linked to our local 2m simplex QRG. The users of the QRG enjoy when a previus unheard station pops in just to say hello, it adds life to the QRG.

That's all I use Echolink for, I want the end result to be RF in a remote location, but I still wouldn't say it's DX, just a fun way to talk locally in mostly local type bands (there are some HF nodes) without actually being there.

[N2ACX]

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I agree, mention Echolink and it turns into a free-for-all about "what is Amateur Radio. Hey folks, well some anyway, it's just another way to communicate and as Amateurs
I think we can use all the various ways to talk to one another.

Geeeesh, if the majority of the people got this upset in "the ole days' heck, we wouldn't even have the "Iron Horse" automobile and or other signs of progress on the planet.

I use echolink once in a great while and when I do I enjoy it simply because.....I do. I will not stiffin my upper lip and dig in like an 'OLE MULE' and refuse to accept anything but Communication by RF

More than half the planet uses some variant of computer aided and land line or satellite connected devices to communicate with the rest of us, many times ending up as RF in the final stage.

The Communicate by RF or Bust philosophey I will leave to those who refuse change and are in a bottomless pit of which they will never emerge. I prefer to leave them there......I'm going forward
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif so there..............

73 N2ACX

[nx6d]

I don't get the hoopla over IRLP.

My good buddy WD6FTB has a 220 box which is rarely used except by about 10 people. He has node 3927 which I've taken the liberty to use countless times when HF has been dead, dead, dead. It's actually really fun.

I've even talked to AL2I a few times and a guy who publically slammed me on that other website. It's all been cordial and very interesting.

My thing (when I'm in Santa Rosa) is bringing up as many Canadian nodes as possible. I've traveled extensively through Canada so I can speak somewhat intelligently about their country and, yes, their politics. I found two other guys who collect amateur radio license plates that way.

Would I rather speak with people on HF? Yeah. One thing that I'd like to emphasize as a 23 year veteran of amateur radio and a 20 wpm extra is that IRLP is NOT "back of the bus" amateur radio. Anyone that says otherwise is missing the point of communication.

Dave WX7B
Tulelake, CA

[kg4kww]

Are we going to get a EchoLink Conference Server for a QRZ EchoLink Net or Not?

So, why don't you people quite your bitchn and complaining and get the show on the road.

[ai4ep]

kww...have you used Echo Link yet to communicate with the net that you read about that normally only has 10 or less check ins ?

Nah, me neither. I checked in one time ( late as usual ) and aint tried since, since I dont like jumping around like a frog trying to find others .

It just aint worth the effort and apparently others feel the same way, byt NOT checking in, either.

[al2i]

We can do just like on HF and assign a QRZ calling place on an IRLP reflector/channel.

[KB9YCO]

Quote[/b] (KE7DLG @ April 09 2006,20:09)]My use is only when I am within range of my own link radio which I lose within 10 miles of home due to terrain (RF has a hard time going through the bluffs, hills and mountains that surround this area.)
That's what it's really great for, another way to remote link, or if you're an apartment dweller like me that gets full scale noise on most frequencies it's a nice way to get to a local repeater, or talk on a repeater in an area you're not at anymore, etc. Just a nice tool, nothing more. People read too much into some of these 'debates'.

[kg4kww]

You people are wose than a bunch of old women. All you want to do is cry, complain and find fault with every thing.

So, KI4KWR, Let's get the damn show on the road.

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[kf4vgx]

Quote[/b] (KE7DLG @ April 08 2006,19:09)]Quote[/b] (kf4vgx @ April 06 2006,05:40)]Well said , have you noticed it's usually the same Ole song by the same Ole people.
Just make sure you are aiming these statements at the right people. I make cracks about EchoLink but I make cracks about everything. My cracks should never be taken as a firm for or against on any subject. I just happen to have one of those very misunderstood senses of humor. Sometimes I don't even understand it. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

When I am firmly for or against something the cracks go away and the statements have a more serious tone to them and not usually posed in the form of a sarcastic question.

The fact is I too use Echolink on a limited basis. When I say limited I mean to contact one particular person. I don't have a whole lot of time close enough to home to hit the link radio at the house and don't feel right tying up other peoples' links or repeaters for the long conversations we have been known to get into. My use is only when I am within range of my own link radio which I lose within 10 miles of home due to terrain (RF has a hard time going through the bluffs, hills and mountains that surround this area.)
Easy enough, http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

I'm well aware of who to extend my statements to.

Thats why I didn't reply /aim the statement to you #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

As long as your having fun with your hobby # .

Who would I be to complain how you enjoy it .


We all enjoy communications ,just in different ways .

I would respect you just as much if you operated morse code #or HF only .



As long as we respect others in this great hobby for what they enjoy . #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif #at their option of course . http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif


# # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # #with respect, KF4VGX

[ai4ep]

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Me thinks KWW is upset about something.

Any one have any idea what it is ?

---hey look outside...full moon !! --- http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

[wv6z]

Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ April 08 2006,19:58)]You people are wose than a bunch of old women. All you ant to do is cry, complain and find fault with every thing.

So, KI4KWR, Let's get the damn show on the road.

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Actually we are all waiting on you Greg. So when are you going to get it started?

[KB9YCO]

Quote[/b] (ku4my @ April 09 2006,22:56)]Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ April 08 2006,19:58)]You people are wose than a bunch of old women. All you ant to do is cry, complain and find fault with every thing.

So, KI4KWR, Let's get the damn show on the road.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
Actually we are all waiting on you Greg. So when are you going to get it started?
No doubt, you want it so bad go ahead and get it going. I think it's pointless since there are plenty of other places to connect, but if you want it so bad quit complaining about people complaining (an interesting concept itself) and go for it.