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WA5KRP
04-04-2006, 03:09 PM
I am a strong advocate of the death penalty. #As a matter of fact, I think Texas is far too slow in going from conviction to euthanasia but I do find comfort in the fact we lead the nation in annual executions. #So I astonish myself with this thread. #WTF would I want this murderous coward spared the needle?

Lets be clear. #Moussaoui is the only survivor (we have been told about) of the death squads that killed 3,000 Americans on 9/11 and he has confessed to his part in their murders. #His rants make me believe he could just as easily go down a line of 3,000 men, women, and children and put a bullet in each of them right between the eyes. #He is a monster. #I instinctively want this man executed and his ashes spread in a pig pen.

I changed my mind about that recently. #I received an email from a cousin whose brother-in-law was sent to prison for forty years on rape convictions. #His sister showed him a couple letters from her husband who has so far served two years. #He describes prison as brutal and grim and hell on earth and often thinks of suicide. #He wishes he had the courage to cut his throat before something worse happens to him.

Which leads me to think that execution is too good, too simple, too easy for Moussaoui. #Death in the near term is inadequate retribution for a monster. #For that matter, he wants death. #In his belief system those murders will earn him great rewards in his afterlife and the sooner he can get there the better. #Why grant him his wish? #He is a 38 year old man and can reasonably be expected to live another 40 years. #Why should he get a pass on 40 years of hell? #You KNOW prison life for this guy will be doggedly miserable. #Doesn't justice seem better served if he withers away in a cell and old age, instead of a needle, claims his wretched life?

Another practical consideration will be the usual worldwide anti-death penalty crowd whipping millions into a sympathetic frenzy for Moussaoui. #And as usual, we'll come across as a mean bully that has no regard for human rights. #The press will have the world believing there's 300M Americans hell bent on snuffing a freedom fighter. #We don't need the grief or the bad PR that will come with that. #Executing Moussaoui ain't worth it. #We're far better off quietly sending this guy to a deep buried cell. #He will be out of the headlines in less than a week and long forgotten within a month. #It'll just be him and the misery of hell on earth for a very long time.


WA5KRP
Texas

(You can tell I don't like this guy, cantcha...)

ac4ut
04-04-2006, 03:21 PM
I'll go along with this concept. He doesn't deserve the 72 virgins or whatever it is that a martyr of his belief is entitled to.

n8yx
04-04-2006, 03:29 PM
His penance shall be as follows:

25 years to life at hard labor...on a PIG FARM...

kl7aj
04-04-2006, 03:36 PM
Quote[/b] (n8yx @ April 04 2006,08:29)]His penance shall be as follows:

25 years to life at hard labor...on a PIG FARM...
And a diet of pork rinds

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VE7NOT
04-04-2006, 03:39 PM
What about that prison in AZ that makes you work 10 hours 110 degree heat. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

KI6ADA
04-04-2006, 04:38 PM
They interviewed the mother of the son who directed the plane from the white house and forced it down in PA. She said at first he wanted him to die, but after sitting in court and meeting the other surviving family members, she wants him to live in misery, and let him think about every person who was killed on that day.
I agree with the other posts and this mother. He doesn't deserve to die.
I have been in support of the death penalty, but after hearing the court notes of Mousaoui, I am wondering if I should change my views. The bible teaches eye for an eye, but I like what they used to do in Turkey. They would take robbers and theives and cut off their right hand. Why the right hand well, I am not lefthanded but I do not want to offend the young readers on QRZ. Have a great day. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

KC7UP
04-04-2006, 04:48 PM
I can well understand KRP's thinking however I do not want to continue for years and years of supporting his life no matter how miserable it shall be. The stinking prison's already full of low life's that should have been thrown down a deep pit. Up here we have such a place. It's located in Butte, Mt and it called the Berkely pit. It used to be the largest above ground copper mine. Now it is no longer in use and has filled with 8 billion gallons of the most foul, polluted waters one can imagine. Good place for trash of that nature.
Curt

W0MT
04-04-2006, 09:04 PM
While I support the death penalty in appropriate cases and I believe that Zacarias Moussaoui is a vile criminal, I have problems with the jury findings. The jury had to answer “yes” to four questions to find that he is eligible for the death penalty. For these questions, the jury had to answer “yes” beyond a reasonable doubt. The questions are:

1. Was he eighteen years or older at the time of the offense? The answer here is obviously yes.

2. Did he intentionally lie to federal agents in August of 2001? As he admitted that he did so, this is another yes.

3. Did he lie knowing that lethal force would be used or lives would be taken by others? He also admitted this so another yes.

4. Did at least one person die as a direct result of the lies? This is where I have a problem.

For this last question, this means that the jury had to find beyond a reasonable doubt that had he told the truth, the government would have prevented at least one death. This is the same government that ignored the FBI agent’s plea to search this guy’s computer for evidence. This is the same government that bumbled the response to Katrina. This is the same government that didn’t have a clue why Iraq should be invaded and even less of a clue how difficult the whole job would be.

I will admit that it is possible that had he not lied, some lives MIGHT have been saved; MIGHT is a long way from beyond a reasonable doubt. And as others have pointed out, life without parole might be worse than death. Also killing him might well make him a martyr to a lot of the crazies in the Middle East.

al2n
04-04-2006, 09:24 PM
He would not live long in prison if he were allowed to mingle with the other prisioners.

Either keep him in solitary or execute him.

Those are the only options.

KG4CGC
04-04-2006, 10:26 PM
Can't they place him in the gay ward?

k4kyv
04-04-2006, 11:42 PM
I think he wants to get the death penalty, to become a martyr for the cause. Isn't that he wanted originally, as a suicide bomber?

I'm not so sure that he was actually involved in the 11th September plot. My impression of him is more like an insane wannabe.

KI4BNC
04-05-2006, 12:18 AM
yeah.death would be too easy.
it would be worth it to me to see him serve life without the possibility of parole.
let him die on the inside.I don't think he will be a martyr if someone whacks him on the inside if it is not at the hands of the judicial system.I don't think it will go for suicide either.yep.the next 40ish years,in a room with a bolted down cot and nothing to play with but his own feces.
good luck you toilet tick terrorist wannabe.
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wv6z
04-05-2006, 12:38 AM
Quote[/b] (al2n @ April 03 2006,15:24)]He would not live long in prison if he were allowed to mingle with the other prisioners.

Either keep him in solitary or execute him.

Those are the only options.
Agreed.

al2i
04-05-2006, 12:43 AM
Use him for experimental drug testing. It would be better than putting British college kids at risk, and Moussaoui might actually SAVE some lives that way. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

w3sy
04-05-2006, 01:34 AM
Put the filthy sonuvabitch in the same cell as the guard who tormented prisoners with his dog.... AND INCLUDE THE DOG!

W5HTW
04-05-2006, 01:52 AM
I, too, am usually for the death penalty. Our problem is we claim it is "deterrent." That is the wrong way to look at it. It should be punishment for the perp, not deterrent for the next perp. That's why it is not applied very often. People say it doesn't work. But when it is used as punishment, it does work, 100 percent of the time.

I'm still very much pro death penalty. But I began to look at the death penalty as too easy, with Timothy McVeigh was executed. A young mand with a future, who murdered 168 innocent people in Oklahoma City. I felt there should be more. I wished he would not be executed, but would suffer punishment for the next 40 years or so, life, no chance of parole.

On the other hand, I'm not sure this Arab punk deserves life. In this case, I say "let him fry." That makes sense to me because I am an atheist. When he's dead, he simply ceases to exist. He gets no reward in Heaven. And whether he is held in prison or not, he still is a martyr to old bin Laden. So I would, in this case, say "yeah, fire the needles." Spare the expense of the pain killer first, however.

Ed