eQSL

[K3STX]

Glen mentioned eQSL in respond to another post, and I went to the site and found a hundred or so eQSLs for me from about 80 DXCC entities!!

From what I understand, these are not good for DXCC credit or CQ Magazine credit, so what is the point? It is nice to see the cards, and I suppose I could print them out to look at them in person.

What am I missing?

paul

[WB2WIK]

Quote[/b] (K3STX @ Mar. 30 2006,13:51)]What am I missing?
A lot of ink for your printer?

Printing eQSLs is time consuming and fairly costly...

Last time I checked, I had a lot of them waiting. So, I checked a few and of the few I checked, half of them weren't even for valid QSOs so I have no idea why they were sent.

C U on C W

73

Steve WB2WIK/6

[nr4aw]

Here comes the "only mean hams dont use eQSL'' crowd.......

[kj3n]

Here we go again....

It's another round of "Bash eQSL". To be followed by the usual "real hams use paper" crowd and the "it's not 'blessed' by the ARRL" crowd.

Don't like it, don't use it. END OF STORY.

[n0jaa]

Talk about brutal! I prefer the old-fashioned QSL, myself. eQSL takes all the fun out of it. Besides, if a ham can't afford a few bucks for stamps, then he shouldn't have the money to buy one of those $10,000 radios!

[kl7aj]

Quote[/b] (n0jaa @ Mar. 30 2006,14:22)]Talk about brutal! #I prefer the old-fashioned QSL, myself. #eQSL takes all the fun out of it. #Besides, if a ham can't afford a few bucks for stamps, then he shouldn't have the money to buy one of those $10,000 radios!
Cardella the QSL Vamp would NEVER use E-Qsl!

[AK7V]

If you've signed up for eqsl.cc, you automatically are added to the qslvia.com database with eqsl as your preferred QSL route. I don't know if anyone uses qslvia.com, but I updated mine to say that I prefer paper cards.

[W3MIV]

Quote[/b] (K3STX @ Mar. 30 2006,15:51)]Glen mentioned eQSL in respond to another post, and I went to the site and found a hundred or so eQSLs for me from about 80 DXCC entities!!

From what I understand, these are not good for DXCC credit or CQ Magazine credit, so what is the point? It is nice to see the cards, and I suppose I could print them out to look at them in person.

What am I missing?

paul
A lot of folks have become quite attached to the service, so I registered my call as "AG" and I will upload a QSL for anyone who wants one. With nearly every modern logging program, it is easy as burping with the VOX open.

As to the value of their award structure, it is an open question. I don't think that eQSL will ever gain the respectability of the ARRL DXCC awards, nor of the various CQ awards.

I am not a paper chaser, though I do send out QSL cards, and a recent thread about an unanticipated lode of undelivered cards caused me to send some franked covers to the 3-land Buro just in case. They are all volunteers, and I would not want to burden them with any cards that some may have sent via that arcane system, slow as it tends to be.

I have no strong feeling against the eQSL system, though I have seen allegations about fraud etc on various internet sites.

A lot of hams (HAMS?) tend to become exercised over the most unimportant trivia. If you contact me and want me to send you a QSL -- paper or internet -- I will be happy to do so. In fact, I often send the out direct and ask no SASE for the little effort and cost it takes.

On the whole, I prefer the LoTW system, which to me makes a lot of sense for a modern program that is ultimately less expensive for those who want the awards.

Ye pays ye money and takes ye choose. What's to argue about?

[KE5FRF]

Quote[/b] (AK7V @ Mar. 30 2006,16:27)]If you've signed up for eqsl.cc, you automatically are added to the qslvia.com database with eqsl as your preferred QSL route. #I don't know if anyone uses qslvia.com, but I updated mine to say that I prefer paper cards.
Isn't THAT lovely? hihi?

Personally, since I'm not a paperchaser, going to KINKOs and having them print up the eQSLs is fine by me, and not only that, but some day I would like to get my own domain name, and I can post them easily too.

BUT...I had NO IDEA, I had "volunteered" myself to be eQSL only, what a sham!

The arguement against eQSl is silly. This is the year 2006, we can't turn back the clock. Guess what? in just a few years the ARRL will most likely have ITS OWN version of eQSL, and ENCORAGE it. Yeah, you know it is coming.

Yeah, I prefer a glossy piece of paper, and that is what I will send...got my stock on order, but personally I am simply glad to get SOMETHING from the DXers.

[N6WK]

Quote[/b] (AK7V @ Mar. 30 2006,22:27)]If you've signed up for eqsl.cc, you automatically are added to the qslvia.com database with eqsl as your preferred QSL route. I don't know if anyone uses qslvia.com, but I updated mine to say that I prefer paper cards.
Just WHERE do you do that? I looked, Couldn't find it!

Gordon

[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Mar. 30 2006,15:16)]Just WHERE do you do that? I looked, Couldn't find it!
Closest I could find... Go to "My Profile" and way down at the bottom is a section on "Alternative QSL Routing." No way to say "I prefer paper-direct" but you can check Direct and/or Bureau.

On Edit: I checked both Direct and Bureau and in the box at the bottom, wrote in "Direct preferred." Here's what it says if I look myself up:

QSL Routing information for
KF0RT (Robert Ton)
eQSL.cc , but if paper card necessary, QSL via Direct,Bureau,
Direct preferred

Booo, hiss. It looks like once you're in the eQSL system, it will always list eQSL as your preferred route. I don't mind eQSL, but it's certainly NOT my preferred route.

The good news is that this is the first I've ever heard of qslvia.com. I presume and hope most folks use QRZ.

73, Rob

[K3STX]

I'm going to "unregister" ASAP. That is pretty crummy for them to "volunteer" me for something I am not interested in, expecially since the whole thing seems useless anyway.

It was just interesting that all these QSOs from nice places like Qatar were on eQSL. But the only card that counts is the one that comes from the DX, not from my printer.

paul

[ne3r]

I like paper cards, but I do upload my logs to LoTW and EQSL.cc as a courtosey to those who like those services. LoTW, while good for awards, is a real pain to use for a paper logger like myself.

I really need to get a logging program, but I really like my ARRL log book that I write in http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif.

73
Joe
N3PAQ

[KA3QLF]

KE5FRF says:

"The arguement against eQSl is silly. This is the year 2006, we can't turn back the clock. Guess what? in just a few years the ARRL will most likely have ITS OWN version of eQSL, and ENCORAGE it. Yeah, you know it is coming"

Umm..not trying to pick on you or berate you, but ARRL already has a version, it's called Logbook of the World. The qsl's you recieve there are good for their DXCC program, which makes them good for CQ's Country award, and ARRL's WAS program, with more to follow. I don't think it is a matter of someone affording qsl cards or mailing them, but it is a way to utilize technology for ease of tracking such programs. From my standpoint, the only valid reason to use Eqsl is their own award program, which you cannot use paper or LOTW to qualify for, only contacts uploaded and confirmed on Eqsl. To reply to WB2WIK's statement about invalid contacts, I too recieve very many, and the nice part is the reject button. #I am sure there are those also uploaded to LOTW, but that shows the difference between LOTW confirmation process and EQSL's. The bottom line is we are all human individuals, with different goals, aspects, and personal rewards from Amateur Radio. Use only which you wish, tis the freedom we have. #Vy 73--Scott, KA3QLF

[K9STH]

The ARRL at first would not even consider an electronic program for QSL information (one of their stated reasons was that there was too great a chance for fraud). Then, after eQSL had been in use for over 18 months and was getting a lot of good publicity the ARRL "discovered" electronic QSLing and came forth with their version.

Over the years the ARRL has "discovered" various things and has on occasion tried to take credit for the idea even though others had been promoting basically the same thing for quite some time.

Glen, K9STH

[K9STH]

I just checked the QSL requirements for CQ awards (on the CQ site) and there is nothing said about the "hard copy" from eQSL not being accepted for any of the CQ awards. You do have to have a "hard copy" (which you can print from the eQSL site) but there is no mention what-so-ever saying that such a QSL card from eQSL was not acceptable.

Before I would submit such QSL cards to CQ I would definitely contact them to make sure that this is the case. But, from their published requirements a "hard copy" of a QSL through the eQSL system appears to be valid.

If so, then the ARRL is the only major award sponsor that will not accept eQSL cards for their awards.

Glen, K9STH

[kg4kww]

Ok where's the link to eQSL ?

[NF2C]

Try this link.....
http://eqsl.cc/qslcard/Index.cfm

I too prefer a nice hardcopy card, but do put info on and check eqsl periodically....To each his own....
Chris http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[cu2jt]

Paper QSLs is a good business for the post offices, take up a lot of space and cost a lot of money to print.

eQSL and LoTW would be perfect if the major award issuers just could accept them. I have been trying to accomplish the USA-CA award. Today, I have 494 countries confirmed on paper and about 350 more on LotW and eQSL. I would have had that USA-CA a long time ago if only the CQ Magazine would accept my electronic verifications.

They are afraid of fraud. If anybody desires an award so hard that he is prepared to cheat, so be it. In the end, he will just be cheating himself. It is not the end of the world if someone ends up on the DXCC honour role undeservedly.

It would be better if the ARRL and the CQ Magazine could accept any kind of verification. It would save us a lot of money and space and we would not have to wait years to get a QSL via the bureau. I worked a WAC on 80 meters in about 3 hours but it will probably take me 3 years to get the 5 QSL cards needed. I could have had them the next morning on LoTW and/or eQSL, no money spent.

//Gary - CU2JT

[W3MIV]

Quote[/b] (N3PAQ @ Mar. 30 2006,21:31)]I really need to get a logging program, but I really like my ARRL log book that I write in http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif.
Joe, you should give the DX Labs suite a look over. Using the DX Keeper logger to upload to either LOTW or eQSL is a simple, one-click operation and it will also print cards. It is a full suite of apps, including rig control.

Best of all, it is free.

Check it out: DX Lab (http://www.qsl.net/dxlab)

Good support is available thru a Yahoo group run by the software's author.

[K3STX]

I just went to the CQ mag wab-site, and they state explicitly that they intend to accept LOTW electronic confirmations once the ARRL allows this to happen (probably soon, now that LOTW is good for WAS). There is no mention of eQSL in the electronic confirmations section.

paul

[W3MIV]

I think the thing that is slowing down the acceptance of popular awards like some of those offered by CQ Magazine is the cost of adapting the system. If you look at the current stats for LOTW, it is getting very large as its popularity grows.

I guess they could resort to charging a fee beyond the current $0.25 per QSO award credit, but that would not be greeted very well by lots of folks (look at how they howl about even those things the ARRL now does well!).

The present card systems have the virtue of spreading cost out over time, if you have enough time left to deal with the Buro system, whereas the LOTW award structure will mean paying the full cost in one gulp. While the fee is less than the current cost of postage, and either DXCC or WAS is an easy pay, an award like Worked All Counties could put a dent in one's budget!

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[WA3KYY]

Al,

You can apply for credits as you go, at least for DXCC. You do not need to be applying for an award or endorsement. For DXCC you can also purchase awards credits in bulk and then apply the credits when you submit confirmations as part of the award application.

What many overlook with the paper card equation is there is also a cost per card for processing. With your initial DXCC application in a given year you get 120 QSLs for free. After that there is a per card fee that goes along with the $10 application fee.

I'm not sure how WAS works, but the cost per confirmation is less. It cost $5 to process the 50 confirmations plus the normal $10 award fee. I did not see if you can pay for confirmation credits without filing an award application.

I suspect that the US-CA program will be more like the DXCC than WAS when that module is release but the WAC will be more like WAS.

73,
Mike WA3KYY

[cu2jt]

Quote[/b] ] WA3KYY wrote:
I'm not sure how WAS works, but the cost per confirmation is less. It cost $5 to process the 50 confirmations plus the normal $10 award fee. I did not see if you can pay for confirmation credits without filing an award application.


I know, since I applied for a WAS yesterday thru LoTW.
The total is $17.50 - there is a $2.50 charge fo "postage and handling"

[K9STH]

Back in the "goode olde dayes" (up through the mid 1970s at least) none of the ARRL awards cost anything, the repeater directory was free to members, the ARRL would furnish all of the materials necessary to conduct new amateur radio operator classes for free, and so on. The dues were definitely under $10 a year and students got a good break in this.

Today there is a subtantial charge for virtually everything plus many of the technical articles are no longer in QST (which comes with a membership) but are in another magazine that costs extra (QEX).

Since I am not a member I am not criticizing the ARRL, just stating a fact.

Glen, K9STH

[k8pg]

CQ MAG.INC.DOES NOT EXCEPT e-QSLs THE REAL DEAL ONLY.
e-QSLs ARE A FARCE,THEY FINALLY GOT THE DRIFT TO STOP SENDING ME MESSAGES.THIS IS A WAY TO MAKE$$$$OFF AMATEURES:p :rock: DE-K8PG-PAUL

[K9STH]

PG:

I have never sent eQSL any money nor have they ever sent me anything requesting a "donation".

Frankly, I am pretty neutral on the site. However, since most of the big contest stations QSL through eQSL as well as a lot of the smaller contest stations, I always check the site for a week, or two, after a major contest.

I have all of the major awards including over 300 countries worked for DXCC, WAC, WAZ, CQ DX Award, several satellite awards including the first 1000 award in the 5th call area and the 3rd issued anywhere, and so forth. As such, I really don't go looking for QSL cards. If someone sends me one then I will return the favor. If someone sends me one by eQSL then I reply in the same manner and it doesn't cost me one cent!

Glen, K9STH

[N6WK]

Last year, I sent EQSL $30 bucks to upgrade from a Normal "Bronze" member, to a Silver Member.Thought I would help them out and upgrade my status.
Well, about 2 weeks ago, I received a Notice from them that I was being bumped back down to a Bronze member, because I didn't send them any more Money in the last year. They will NEVER get another dime from me and I told them So in an Email.
I let them Know I was NOT happy... get my drift ? !!

Typical BLOOD suckers. !!
Since EQSL doesn't count for ANYTHING, what was the point ??

Gordon

[W3MIV]

I had exactly the same experience with them, Gordon.


And exactly the same reaction, though I didn't bother to send an email. Neither did I send them any more money.

[KC9ECI]

Seems there are quite a few organizations that accept eQSL's for awards purposes. Organizations that accept eQSLs (http://www.eqsl.cc/qslcard/OrgBB.cfm)

Other than that, eQSL also has provisions for eQSL versions of WAS, WAZ, DXCC, etc.

When I qualified for my eDX25, I was happy to print it out and stick it in my scrapbook. Just because it doesn't say ARRL on it somewhere doesn't make it any less valid to me.

[W3MIV]

"Bozo Amateur Radio Fraternity - Good for all BOZO awards. Good for initiation applacation."

Sort of sez it all...

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[k8pg]

e-QSL AWARDS ARE TRASH!WHAT makes the difference between them and ARRL is you MUST show proof by submitting real qsl CARDS OR IN CASE OF LOTW,THE PARTICULAR STATIONS LOGS ARE CHECKED AGAINST YOUR QSO.LIKE IVE SAID 7/10th of all the so called qsos showen for me are BOGUS on e-QSLs.SEND in your hard earned money and maybee you might get a confirmation for P5 that you can count for your bogus qsos! and awards send in enough and you get a platnum designation:p http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif I dont work contests got over that in the late 70s and only did because the club asked me to operate c.w.and I dont collect meaningless pieces of paper,lets see if I went through the REAL qsl cards(DX-28357)ALL C.W. I MIGHT HAVE SOME TYPE OF AWARDS?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?OR MY 63000 STATESIDE REAL QSL CARDS 99% C.W.I MIGHT HAVE A FEW OTHER USELESS AWARDS!WHAT DOES MEAN SOMETHING IS YOUR OPERATING ABILITY,YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF RADIO AND PROP THEORY INTERNATIONAL GOODWILL AND THE R/R PART-97 YEA LOOK ME UP ON e-QSLS SAYS NO QSL FORWARD INFO,NOTHING LIKE GO TO QRZ? WHAT DO YOU CALL THIS JUST BECAUSE YOU DONT CONDONE
THEIR BOGUS $$$$$$$$$$$ CRAP. IT IS NICE TO HAVE A DXCC CERT,WAS,WAC OR WACO AWARD! ILL PRINT 1 OUT AND SIGN ITe-QSL CERTIFIED??? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif HAVE FUN WITH YOUR PRINTERS FOLKS.
WHEN YOU HAVE A OPERATING AWARD IT MUST MEAN SOMETHING NOT JUST e-qsl many yrs of waiting,listenig,hoping getting up at weird hours to hear the rare one and try to get them in the REAL LOG! GETTING THE REAL QSL CARDS BACK MY TAKE YRS.:) THEN YOU KNOW YOU CAN BE PROUD OF THAT AWARD, ALL THAT HAVE THESE AWARDS I COMMEND THEM IF THATS WHAT YOU LIKE TO DO THATS GREAT I HOPE THE DX GODS ARE WITH YOU ALL:)
TAKE CARE,i DO NOT e-QSL HI HI:p http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
K8PG-Paul-C.W. LIVES -VIVA C.W.:)

[KD6NIG]

The only reason I can think of why people are getting so many bogus 'ecards' is that a good amount of people just approve them all verbatim, thus allowing some people to have 'confirmed' non-qsos.

If everyone was semi-diligent in checking, I'm sure people wouldn't go to the trouble.

[K9STH]

PG:

Back when I was the FM Editor of CQ Magazine I was also authorized as a check point for the various awards (I did participate in a lot of DX contests, etc.). This was in the January 1971 to late 1973 time frame.

Even though actual QSL cards were required every-so-often someone would try to get one, or more, "altered" cards through the approval process. I don't believe that the situation is any worse now than over 30 years ago.

An award really means nothing except to the person receiving the award. Frankly, no one else really "cares" if you "fudged" and got the certificate without really completing the requirements. The only person that you are really "fooling" is yourself.

I know of a few people who have actually created awards just so that they could have another certificate hanging on the wall. If this "floats their boat", then so-be-it.

The ARRL is making money from their award programs and they don't want to allow anything to cut down on this income. Remember that in the past there was NO charge for any of the awards. Then they even charged $10 for the Rag Chewer's Club which is nothing more than a piece of 8.5 x 11 inch piece of colored paper run through a printer. When it was free someone actually had to put the paper in a typewriter and manually type it. The Rag Chewer's Club was normally the very first "award" that a newly licensed amateur radio operator "earned" and the award most certainly introduced the ARRL to the newcomer in a favorable way.

There are definitely amateur radio operators who are actively seeking certificates and the CHC (Certificate Hunters' Club) is one example of these persons. The number of awards that an operator can earn number in at least the thousands ranging from some local (work 5 club members, etc.) awards to DXCC, WAZ, etc.

As for myself, I have a number of awards from various organizations and for winning various contests, etc. All of the 8.5 X 11 size or smaller are in a loose-leaf binder (in document holders). The large size like DXCC, the CQ awards, etc., are still in the frames that I put them in many years ago since they won't fit into my awards binder. If someone wants to see them I hand that person the binder. Otherwise, I know what awards I have earned and I don't try to "impress" anyone by naming them.

Every award sponsor has their own QSL requirements. Some don't require anything but a log entry. Others require "hard copy" QSLs that have to be verified. Most are somewhere between these two extremes. The ARRL has consistantly taken the "hard nosed" approach which is their right. However, the "status" of their particular awards just isn't what it used to be. There are definitely those amateur radio operators who place a lot of esteem in the awards, but, more and more amateurs really don't care about the "status" that having the awards supposedly brings.

Glen, K9STH

[KA7RRA]

I have log book of the world and it sucks

[K9STH]

I have seen an E-Mail from ARRL headquarters that says they are in the process of redoing LOTW to make it easier to use. However, they did "point out" that the present LOTW is on the "cutting edge" of software design.

Frankly, most amateur radio operators don't care how "cutting edge" the software is, they just want to be able to use the system without a master's degree in computer software design!

Glen, K9STH

[k8pg]

STH-LIKE I SAID I DONT CARE HOW MANY AWARDS YOU HAVE,IF YOU ARE A FUDGER SO BE IT, DO YOU GET A KICK BACK FROM
# e-QSLSALES????MAYBEE YOU SHOULD BE A MAJOR SHARE HOLDER?
# # # # # # # # # # # #DE K8PG-PAUL# # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # #
THE $$$$$$$$$$$ARRL$$$$$$$$$ MUST FIND A WAY TO PAY FOR THE SALERIES OF THE HIGH AND MIGHTY WITH THE MEMBERSHIPS DWINDLING NUMBERS. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[K9STH]

PG:

I don't collect one cent from eQSL, not do I pay anything to them. I also have not belonged to the ARRL since the late 1970s when I completely gave up on the organization because they most certainly were doing things of which I disapproved.

No where did I even suggest that I "fudged" in acquiring any of the awards that I have and your implication that I did "fudge" is most certainly not called for! What I posted is that if someone does "fudge" then the only person that they are fooling is themselves because no one else gives a rat's patoot how they qualified. I believe that you owe me an apology for making such a statement.

I could not care less if someone uses eQSL or doesn't use eQSL. All that I was doing by posting the information on eQSL was to give people who are not aware of the "service" that there may be QSLs awaiting them on that site. If they choose to go to the site then that is their choice. If they choose to verify the contact via eQSL then that is their choice. If they choose to print out the QSL cards then that is their choice as well.

I started to print out the QSLs from eQSL because several of the contacts were made on 40 meters at the time-of-day that most people believe it is not possible to make the contacts (namely when it was well after dawn in Texas - where I live - and way after "high noon" local time in Europe). I have done the same thing when working JA (Japan) stations (have worked Japan on SSB as late as 11:45 AM local time and as late as 1:30 PM local time on CW) and I have the "official" (through the mail, through the bureau, etc.) QSL cards to prove it.

Since I am not actively pursuing the DXCC honor roll, am not actively pursuing any of the many many other awards, I do not routinely go after QSL cards. If someone sends me a card then I will reply. Now I did send off a total of 6 QSL cards to the 3Y0X DX'pedition along with some cash to help defray the cost of the expedition. I also purchased one of their "QSO verified" medallions and one of their "pins". I have already received the pin and medallion but no QSL cards as of 1 April 2006.

Over the years I have placed high in the various contests (including VHF/UHF as well as HF DX, SS, etc.) that are sponsored by the ARRL, CQ Magazine, the Russians, and so forth. I most certainly didn't "fudge" (which would result in my disqualification) in any of those contests. If I did "fudge" then the chances of my getting "caught" were in the 99th precentile and since I was not disqualified you can be assured that I did not "fudge".

From your last post I get the impression that you do not approve of the ARRL. Frankly, I don't approve of most of what the ARRL is doing these days. However, so long as their activities are completely internal I have no right to make any comments. But, just as soon as they make a proposal to the FCC then that is no longer internal and the ARRL is completely open for comment.

Glen, K9STH

[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (K9STH @ April 01 2006,16:34)]Frankly, most amateur radio operators don't care how "cutting edge" the software is, they just want to be able to use the system without a master's degree in computer software design!
Man, now there's an understatement. Very true, though. From software design to web sites, hams appear to be very far from the cutting edge. There are some exceptions of course, but it's surprising to see so much garbage coming from such a technical crowd.

I wonder if the ARRL went out of their way to design a site with a 60's look and feel. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Kind of a hot button here, I suppose. The good news is that most of it really does work.

73, Rob

[W3MIV]

I am 63 years old. I know little or nothing about computers other than the basics of using one for simple tasks like word processing or logging. Computer code or programming is a whole 'nother world, and I don't wanna go there.

All that said, I have never had any trouble using Logbook of the World. It all seems very straightforward to me, and, most importantly, IT WORKS.

With a modern logging system, such as DXKeeper, for example (which is free for the downloading from DX Labs), it is a simple matter to upload to LOTW with a few mouse clicks. As well, uploading to eQSL is just as simple.

All of the "hoops" that some people object to are there to make it as certain as it can be that each QSL is genuine, and not a fraud. As more and more hams around the world continue to enroll in the system, it can only get better. DXCC and WAS are now available thru LOTW. I think that, over time, other awards will also become a part of the system.

To my way of thinking, using LOTW is a "no-brainer" -- what's to object to?

About the only valid comparison between LOTW and eQSL is that both are on the internet.

[k8pg]

K9STH GLEN:
SORRY ABT THAT I DID NOT MEAN THAT YOU FUDGED ANYTHING,
MY MISUNDERSTANDING GLEN.NO I DO NOT APPROVE OF ALL THE GOINGS ON AT THE $$$$$ ARRL$$$$.TAKE CARE.
DE-K8PG-Paul-C.W. LIVES-VIVA C.W.:)