VA1CHP contest - screw the band plan.

[G7HEU]

Again there is a very important contest this weekend.

It's so important to VA1CHP that he is using 3Khz of bandwidth on 7.0258 with his SSB signal AND saying that he is listening on '295'.

So, this guy uses 6Khz and screw everybody else.

I've no gripe with contesters - indeed I worked contester, (SSB), DR1A on 160Mtrs and 80Mtrs. I tried hard to give them a point on 40Mtrs too but the band was a bit 'long'.

I know very well that this is an old topic but when these lids ignore the band plan what can I do but moan?

Steve.

[WA2ZDY]

He's from Mexifornia, what else need be said?

[K5UOS]

I noticed a few “High Fidelity” fellas in the contest on 40m. My observation is that a number of them mistake lots of bass for quality audio. You know the real ignorant ones by the strength of the carrier bleedthrough. What was even more interesting was how many overall bad signals there are. Some signals were almost drowned out by cooling fan noise. Some were over processed or overdriven. But there were some absolutely beautiful signals from guys who know how to compromise between good audio and clean signals. Getting on frequency still seems to elude some folks. Worst option I think the manufacturers offer on newer rigs is the ability to program the audio.

I was working on a new homebrew receiver and contests are usually good times to give new gear a test run. Doesn't mean much to concentrate on good filter and low noise design. You are still dependant on the other guy.

K5UOS

[ae6yd]

Dangerous ground, ZDY. There's enough of us that we have our own call number. ;)

There are lids everywhere, there always will be, it's unfortunate but we'll never be able to get rid of 'em. If you know them personally, chat with 'em. Otherwise, spin the Dial of Fortune!

[WA2ZDY]

CZG, you're right. But the left coast has a reputation among the rest of the country as being the land of free spirits, of those who do as they please, and of those who are just friggin nuts.

VA1CHP may or may not be any of the above. My take on it is he was a ham - a prolific DXer from California - who retired and moved to Canada. And now he's feeling his oats, being free of mode restricted subbands and just having at it.

The only thing that surprises me is he was apparently a cop in California and I'd expect him to be very conscious of and adherent to things like band plans. But hey, who knows.

[W3MIV]

As an amusing amplification of Chris's point, the esteemed Mr Hollingsworth gave a presentation to the Baltimore area hamfest on Saturday in which he commented that, in so far as enforcement is concerned, there is California -- and then there is the rest of the US.

He again stressed, BTW, that his worst problems are not the newbies, or revetted CBers, but Xtra and Advanced OFs who can't get a grip on change...

There were ample examples yesterday during the contest when lots of OFs showed up to find "their" frequency was already in use.

[WA3KYY]

There was no legitimate reason for CHP to be so low in the 40M band. First he is authorized to transmit on 7.295 where he was listening. Second, the majority of operators who are permitted to use SSB that low on 40 do adhere to the bandplans so his chances of actually working someone simplex down that low were not very good.

One thing I was pleased to see was all the Region 1 ops who are permitted to use 7.1-7.2 or even higher making an effort to work the Region 2 simplex. I had more simlpex QSOs with Europe on 40 than I did split QSOs this weekend. I can't wait for 7.1-7.2 to be fully opened up in few years time.

I agree with K5UOS, there were a lot of truely horrible sounding signals on the air. Some where so distorted I never was able to copy their callsigns even though the were S9. That was with both the 10dB attenuator cut in and the RF gain turned down to reduce their signal strength. They still sounded like crap. Other stations were just as strong or even stronger but had properally adjusted audio and were a breeze to copy, even in heavy QRM.

Then there were the alligators. Huge signals but broken receivers. I had better luck making contacts with stations close to the noise floor than I did some of the truely loud signals on the band. Makes you wonder if they trying for a good score or not.

73,
Mike WA3KYY

[M3KCK]

Quote[/b] (G7HEU @ Mar. 27 2006,00:06)]It's so important to VA1CHP that he is using 3Khz of bandwidth on 7.0258 with his SSB signal AND saying that he is listening on '295'.
Greetings Steve,

I am just wondering where you are operating from?

As with a G7 call sign the frequencies you mention do not fall in Our Band plan!

Perhaps you are Globe trotting?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
73
Regards,
Andrew M3KCK

[G7HEU]

Quote[/b] (M3KCK @ Mar. 27 2006,15:44)]Quote[/b] (G7HEU @ Mar. 27 2006,00:06)]It's so important to VA1CHP that he is using 3Khz of bandwidth on 7.0258 with his SSB signal AND saying that he is listening on '295'.
Greetings Steve,

I am just wondering where you are operating from?

As with a G7 call sign the frequencies you mention do not fall in Our Band plan!

Perhaps you are Globe trotting?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
73
Regards,
Andrew # M3KCK
Andrew

I don't know what you are talking about. I can listen where I choose on H.F. and am licensed to transmit from 7.000 to 7.200Mhz.

Globe trotting? Again what the heck do you mean?

Please tell me you are not another M3 licensee who ,(incorrectly), thinks he knows everything.

Steve M0HEU / G7HEU.

[WB2WIK]

Quote[/b] (G7HEU @ Mar. 27 2006,16:33)]Quote[/b] (M3KCK @ Mar. 27 2006,15:44)]Quote[/b] (G7HEU @ Mar. 27 2006,00:06)]It's so important to VA1CHP that he is using 3Khz of bandwidth on 7.0258 with his SSB signal AND saying that he is listening on '295'.
Greetings Steve,

I am just wondering where you are operating from?

As with a G7 call sign the frequencies you mention do not fall in Our Band plan!

Perhaps you are Globe trotting?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
73
Regards,
Andrew M3KCK
Andrew

I don't know what you are talking about. I can listen where I choose on H.F. and am licensed to transmit from 7.000 to 7.200Mhz.

Globe trotting? Again what the heck do you mean?

Please tell me you are not another M3 licensee who ,(incorrectly), thinks he knows everything.

Steve M0HEU / G7HEU.
Catfight!

Meeeooowwwrrrr http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

I heard a lot more stations than just VA1CHP down low in the CW segment using SSB. Dozens of them, from all over the world.

Bad operating, bad idea. A pox on all of them, there's simply no reason to be below 7025 on SSB, contest or not.

WB2WIK/6

[G7HEU]

f.a.o. WIK

Hi Steve

I hope things are good with you. Re cat fight - well, Grrr!

I know very well that you have distinguished yourself as a world class contest operator. Glad to hear that you wouldn't use SSB so low on 40.

Did you see my reference to you on my not very good web site?

Steve.

[WB2WIK]

Hi Steve, yes, I did!

Your website is one million times better than mine (I don't have one...)

One of these days...I'm not sure what I'd put there, every scrap of information in the world is already on the internet. I'd have to post pictures of the XYL in the bath to gain any attention, and not sure she'd like that. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

73,

Steve

[G7HEU]

WIK / Steve

And then I read more carefully:

'no reason to be below 7025 on SSB, contest or not'.


http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

I have poor CW so hang around 7.043 whenever possible. The QRP folks tend to be very kind with regard to 'QRS'. It's good practise but annoying when some splattering SSB arse ruins it all!

Steve.

[G7HEU]

Added my reply Steve and then saw yours. It's 01:23 here so must go to bed.

Just enough time to say that I would be very happy to post pictures of your XYL, (in the bath), on my site for you. I'm sure it would do wonders for my ranking. I said ranking.

Please send the pics to my e-mail address for review / approval.

Steve.

[w4hwd]

I was listening to 160M yesterday (Sunday) around 1600L and a 2x1 in Georgia was calling "CQ contest" repeatedly and nobody was coming back; that's the contest way, but this dude was 6.5kc wide in my receiver! No preamp, no NB used, 2.4kc filters...6.5kc wide from end to end! He was not a wide-fi nut; but he definitely had his processor cranked six miles high! Not only was he hughely wide, you could hear "spits" of his highs as far above him as 11kc! I didn't tell him because telling these people usually yields nothing but a smart-alecky remark.

[AG3Y]

I'm not a contester, so forgive me if my idea is "off the wall", but if I were a contester, and if I had the choice of putting my signal in one of the following two places, which do you think I would choose?

Place 1 In amongst all the other SSB stations in the world and especially the United States, all vying each other for 3 khz of quiet bandwidth so my "CQ Contest" could be heard above all the other "CQ Contest"s in the US phone band.

or

Place 2 Down in the US CW only portion of the band, where very few other DX SSB stations, and certainly no US SSB stations are to be found. Where my signal will stick out like a sore thumb and will no doubt get many replies at whatever frequency I say I am "listening" !

Now, really, where do you think I would operate?

73, from a non-contester, Jim

[KB3LIX]

Looking back on my log, I worked 2 stations split that were using spectrum below 7.025.
One in Aruba and one in Barbados.

And, I gotta agree, there were quite a few HORRIBLE sounding stations this past weekend. There were several that I could not tune in, so I just passed them bye.

[DK1KPP]

Quote[/b] ]Bad operating, bad idea. A pox on all of them, there's simply no reason to be below 7025 on SSB, contest or not.


There is no reason for SSB to be below 7045 says my bandplan for region 1. Nothing against contesters but I strongly believe that they should stay in the area for their mode. I understand the urge to log more stations than anybody else but I hate it when those guys make every other contact impossible. There are only 10 KHz for Digimodes on 40 in region 1 (I also hate the guys that interefere SSB-QSOs in RTTY or PSK, by the way)!

Is it only the bandwidth or more ham spirit why I seldom see cw-contesters roaming that far from their area in the bandplan?

73 de Angela

[PE1RDW]

Not only does region 1 have "large" cw regions but also contest free regions in the bandplan, neither are followed by a number of contesters, I wouldn't be surpriced to hear a contester on top of the IBP frequenties

[WA3KYY]

One way to curb the operators who refuse to follow the bandplan is to require the actuall transmit frequency be recorded in the log. Most every serious contestor is using computer logging with direct input from the rig into the software so that is not really a burden.

When the logs are checked, exact a penalty for each QSO that falls outside the bandplan for their location and if too many penalties, DQ the log. It is done now for invalid QSOs so why not?

73,
Mike WA3KYY ( a semi-serious contestor when I feel like it )

[WA2ZDY]

How about a rule about it and if they don't play by the rules, they don't play at all?

[M3KCK]

Quote[/b] (G7HEU @ Mar. 27 2006,23:33)]Quote[/b] (M3KCK @ Mar. 27 2006,15:44)]Quote[/b] (G7HEU @ Mar. 27 2006,00:06)]It's so important to VA1CHP that he is using 3Khz of bandwidth on 7.0258 with his SSB signal AND saying that he is listening on '295'.
Greetings Steve,

I am just wondering where you are operating from?

As with a G7 call sign the frequencies you mention do not fall in Our Band plan!

Perhaps you are Globe trotting?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
73
Regards,
Andrew # M3KCK
Andrew

I don't know what you are talking about. I can listen where I choose on H.F. and am licensed to transmit from 7.000 to 7.200Mhz.

Globe trotting? Again what the heck do you mean?

Please tell me you are not another M3 licensee who ,(incorrectly), thinks he knows everything.

Steve M0HEU / G7HEU.
Steve M0HEU / G7HEU,
Let’s not get the Claws out shall we http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Fine business you are only listening on the frequencies you mentioned and rightly so as you say, You are Only licensed from 7.000 - 7.200 on 40 metres.

I thought you might have been operating from another country after reading your bio?

And to answer your question, No I do Not know everything, Do you?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

Enjoy your Hobby and Swl,
73
Regards,
Andrew # M3KCK (almost an MØ (I await the results)) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[WA2ZDY]

7.0258 is surely between 7 and 7.2 unless the math and counting methods are different over in the old country, no?

[NN3W]

Let me clarify this issue. CHP may or may not be allowed to transmit on 7025.8 - he probably is.

Most folks don't approve of it, but it probably isn't against his license rules. Most stations feel that 7040 is the lower bounds, but a large number is willing to push 7030 as the bottom end of the SSB band.

As to why he does it is because 1) most of the foreign contest stations on in a contest like WPX SSB can transmit only below 7100 Kc. Becuase the #1 audience for these stations are U.S. stations, there is a tendency for any DX station to want to stay below 7100 even if they can go above 7100 just because most all U.S. stations are conditioned to listen only below 7100.

Good U.S. stations that "run" on 40 will on both their own transmit frequency and the listening frequency below 7100. The rest usually only listen below 7100.

That is why the DX station would be likely to only want to transmit low in the band.

[cu2jt]

The band plan discussion is a little weird. If you listen on 40m from an European perspective you will note that the 60 KHz are absolutely crammed with stations one above the other and the mega-power stations with the mic gain turned up to max win because they are so wide and generate so much splatter that it is virtually impossible to hear anything. I could name several Eu stations with horrible audio and probably too much power.

There is an other aspect: Listen to the US stations in the contests. They give their receiving frequencies on sub 7040 KHz frequencies. So, if the US hams think it's OK for the Europeans to ignore the recommended band plans, why don't they come down below 7100 themselves. After all, that is also an amateur radio band.

Nobody ever asks me to transmit SSB on 14085 so why would it be ok to go below 7040 just because there is less QRM down there.

If the CQ Magazine, ARRL and DARC etc could have the courage to change the contest rules making it subject to disqualification if you transmit below the band plan, then perhaps we could see a change in attitude.

The bottom line is: 40m is just too small for all the Eu stations.

//Gary - CU2JT 40m enthusiast

[WA3KYY]

Gary,

As you know in the US the FCC regulations forbid us to transmit on phone or image below 7.150 if you hold the Extra or Advanced Class licenses and below 7.225 if you hold the General Class license. Unlike a bandplan which is not enforced by the local regulatory authorities and is considered good practice, these restrictions are coded into our regulations.

Still, it is poor practice indeed to encourage DX stations to violate the bandplans by stating you are listening below 7.040. The contest organizers should be paying attention to the bandplans as more then just highly recommended but I doubt they will.

73,
Mike WA3KYY

PS, you are sounding very good on 40M recently, the new amp sure helps.

[NN3W]

Well, perhaps the answer should be to widen the band allocation on 40 meters. You have a band that is nearly as capable as 15 meters which has a phone subband 250 KHz in width. Instead of 250 KHz, you're forcing everybody into 60 KHz of space.

[WA3KYY]

Quote[/b] (NN3W @ Mar. 29 2006,09:46)]Well, perhaps the answer should be to widen the band allocation on 40 meters. #You have a band that is nearly as capable as 15 meters which has a phone subband 250 KHz in width. #Instead of 250 KHz, you're forcing everybody into 60 KHz of space.
Regions 1 & 3 by the International Radio Regulations only have exclusive use of 7.0-7.1 MHz. After WARC-03, administrations were given the option of allowing use of 7.1-7.2 on a non-interfereing basis with International Shortwave Broadcasting which is primary in Regions 1 & 3. After 2009, all SWBC is supposed to be out of that segment and it will be mostly amateur primary from 7.0-7.2. Once that happens, we should see new bandplans with more room for phone on 40M and much of the need to work split will dissappear.

There is a proposal for WARC-07 to obtain the rest of 40M as amatuer exlcusive or primary but there is likely to be stiff opposition to that.

73,
Mike WA3KYY

[KD6NIG]

How about NOT WORKING HIM AT ALL?

I see many people putting the responsibility on the person who is allegedly out of band. #The funny thing is, I'm sure plenty of people worked him there, knowing he wasn't supposed to be there, but did it anyway.

I have seen quite a few threads out here about people complaining about lids on other bands, and the general attitude is if you ignore them, they will go away. #

Illegal is illegal. #Wether it be because of the persons language, etc, etc. #If he is so illegal in what hes doing, why would anyone work him? #Why aren't the local amateurs following the 'spirit of self policing' and recording this person and turning him in?

You'd do it for some foul mouthed drunk fool, why not do it for illegal out of band operation as is alleged here?

I'd guess the reason why he does it is 1) He gets many contacts, which is his goal; 2) Nobody has called him on it or has gotten someone after him about his illegal operations where he's at and; 3) Thus he doesn't care at all.

I'm sure if he was served official notice, or ignored because hes not on a legal frequency for the jurisdiction in which he is in, he would legal himself up right quick.

Oh wait, its a CONTEST. #Rules don't apply to a CONTEST.

I see an awful lot of complaining about 'lids' who curse and stuff, but every weekend when we have a contest we toss the rulebook out the window. #Don't you realise that one of these days, the recordings of the foul mouthed lids are going to land them in court, and some savvy attorney is going to point to all of the illegal operation occuring every weekend during a contest and say "you're singling out my client because he is foul-mouthed, but every weekend THIS is allowed to occur, and THOUSANDS of people are doing this?"

Sure, its a bit far fetched-but have you SEEN some of the decisions made by our judges lately?

When I get onto HF, sure I'll probably be looking to pursue awards and the like, and I'll probably contest a bit. #But, being a self-policing ham, I'll play by my rules as outlined, and it will probably take me much longer to get there....but if we ALL did that, wouldn't everyone get back into line, or just sit out there in the region they are not allowed, being ignored because they aren't properly operating thier station?

The bottom line is, if this person is out of band, or improperly operating in a subband not designated for the emission type he's using, hes not a lid. #He's not legal, and should be treated as such. #Many of you wouldn't THINK about identifying into a QSO with a foul mouthed person for any reason....but you have no problem dropping your callsign to someone who isn't legal, at least according to what you're saying.....

Compliance with the rules I believe means not engaging in QSO's with people who shouldn't be there, right? #

(Note: # I don't know if the person originally "cited" in this post was illegal or not. #I'm not on the HF bands, so I don't honestly know nor care at this point, but I know in the world above 50MHZ that if someone is there that shouldn't be, or is acting like an (insert word for donkey here that starts with a) that its probably in my best interests to spin the VFO or report the person, or in the case of a repeater, notify a control operator, NOT TO GIVE THEM CONTEST POINTS and/or ENGAGE IN A QSO, or if a QSO is currently in progress and this begins, removing thy self from said QSO immedietely..... #Am I right or wrong?)

[kj3n]

Quote[/b] (KD6NIG @ Mar. 29 2006,10:12)](insert word for donkey here that starts with a)
I thought the word started with a "j"; jackass. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[G7HEU]

Quote[/b] (M3KCK @ Mar. 28 2006,16:03)]Quote[/b] (G7HEU @ Mar. 27 2006,23:33)]Quote[/b] (M3KCK @ Mar. 27 2006,15:44)]Quote[/b] (G7HEU @ Mar. 27 2006,00:06)]It's so important to VA1CHP that he is using 3Khz of bandwidth on 7.0258 with his SSB signal AND saying that he is listening on '295'.
Greetings Steve,

I am just wondering where you are operating from?

As with a G7 call sign the frequencies you mention do not fall in Our Band plan!

Perhaps you are Globe trotting?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
73
Regards,
Andrew # M3KCK
Andrew

I don't know what you are talking about. I can listen where I choose on H.F. and am licensed to transmit from 7.000 to 7.200Mhz.

Globe trotting? Again what the heck do you mean?

Please tell me you are not another M3 licensee who ,(incorrectly), thinks he knows everything.

Steve M0HEU / G7HEU.
Steve M0HEU / G7HEU,
Let’s not get the Claws out shall we http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Fine business you are only listening on the frequencies you mentioned and rightly so as you say, You are Only licensed from 7.000 - 7.200 on 40 metres.

I thought you might have been operating from another country after reading your bio?

And to answer your question, No I do Not know everything, Do you?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

Enjoy your Hobby and Swl,
73
Regards,
Andrew # M3KCK (almost an MØ (I await the results)) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Apologies to everyone else for cluttering the board:

Andrew,

I read you post as a suggestion that I was transmitting outside of the band plan or even the band itself. You say that wasn't your intention and so I apologise - sorry.

I am currently taking the anti smoking drug 'Zyban' which seems to effect my temper!

Best wishes,

Steve.

[KD6NIG]

Quote[/b] (n3jja @ Mar. 29 2006,08:43)]Quote[/b] (KD6NIG @ Mar. 29 2006,10:12)](insert word for donkey here that starts with a)
I thought the word started with a "j"; jackass. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
I don't use "jack" in front of it, because I think thats demeaning to Jack. Jack didn't do anything wrong to deserve to have to be associated with the second part of the word http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[k0cmh]

OK, i'm a little confused with this thread. I think some of it is that some folks got their band plan numbers mixed up.

I can tell that a totally international contest has problems with the difference in frequency allocations in different parts of the world.

One proble is the US being a "big elephant" in many of these contests, since it has by far the highest number of operators.

The US limits its Hams to no lower than 7.150 MHz for SSB. Other regions will not allow hams to transmit above 7.100 MHz. So, that puts hams with the 7.100 MHz limitation at a numerical disadvantage. And when one takes into consideration that most of the contacts are made in the "US General license" portion of the band (7.225 - 7.300 MHz), then it really gets interesting for international operations.

So it seems to me that if they want to participate in a contest dominated by US operators, they are forced to work a split situation. And US operators that want those non-US multipliers, need to do it also.

So, I guess to me it is not a big problem, and I would not call someone a "lid" for doing so. I would say it is just the situation that international contests create. Folks just trying their best to live with the laws they have.

[cu2jt]

Quote[/b] (NN3W @ Mar. 29 2006,09:46)] After 2009, all SWBC is supposed to be out of that segment and it will be mostly amateur primary from 7.0-7.2.

Yes, the ANACOM (= The Portuguese "FCC") has told me so. Just let's hope I still have a nose in 2009. I grow older as we speak and after a contest like the CQ WPX, I feel like a hundred years...

By the way, thanks Mike for the encouraging words about my signal. Yes, it helps but alas, no improvement on reception side... No use to be heard and not hear...

[NN3W]

K, I'm not seeing where the operation was actually illegal. #Can comebody cite to me the Industry Canada requirement that forbids SSB operations on 7025.8?

Not saying that it is or it isn't. I'd just like to see the actual band plan.

[WA3KYY]

I don't know about others but in the last few world-wide SSB contests I participated in, I did not work anyone who was operating outside the bandplan. It the WPX contest I did not even tune below 7.040 to look for contacts.

But let's be clear. The DX operating that low were not violating any of their country's regulations. I do not believe any country has coded into their regulations that failure to abide by the Regional bandplan is a violation of their rules. The Canandian rules permit SSB all the way down to 7.00 subject to the emissions remaining totally above 7.00 MHz. They encourage but do not require adherence to voluntary band plans. The reason is to provide for those infrequent times when usage requires more space for a given mode than the bandplan normally allocates. The rules against interference to those already on a frequency however still do apply.

Mike WA3KYY

[M3KCK]

Quote[/b] (G7HEU @ Mar. 29 2006,17:05)]Apologies to everyone else for cluttering the board:

Andrew,

I read you post as a suggestion that I was transmitting outside of the band plan or even the band itself. You say that wasn't your intention and so I apologise - sorry.

I am currently taking the anti smoking drug 'Zyban' which seems to effect my temper!

Best wishes,

Steve.
Hi Steve M0HEU / G7HEU,
Thank you for your reply and don’t worry about it as it is all so easy to be misunderstood in this virtual world that is the Internet, Your apology is accepted http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Good luck with giving up smoking, I wish I could do the same!
Best 73 to you,
Regards,
Andrew M3KCK

[kj3n]

Quote[/b] (cu2jt @ Mar. 29 2006,08:56)]The bottom line is: 40m is just too small for all the Eu stations.
And I'll bet a lot of those stations are waiting impatiently for the change over to 7.0-7.2 to happen.

Always nice to hear you on the Century Club 40m net, Gary.

[G7HEU]

Quote[/b] (n3jja @ Mar. 29 2006,13:18)]Quote[/b] (cu2jt @ Mar. 29 2006,08:56)]The bottom line is: 40m is just too small for all the Eu stations.
And I'll bet a lot of those stations are waiting impatiently for the change over to 7.0-7.2 to happen.

Always nice to hear you on the Century Club 40m net, Gary.
You may well be aware that the U.K. already has the 'extension' to 7.2Mhz. It's of limited use for DX though until the high power broadcast stations move away.

Steve.