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Quote[/b] ]Iraq's president pressed political parties on Monday to move faster to form a coalition government after deadly car bombings he said were aimed at inflaming sectarian tensions and triggering civil war.
(*linky*) (http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2006-03-13T111512Z_01_L12780549_RTRUKOC_0_UK-IRAQ.xml)
Hmmm... now you don't think that there were reprisals by the other side do you? I mean, we're told that this isn't going to happen and just like all those WMD's that were found, they're probably right about this too...
Reprisal Killings Leave 68 Dead Throughout Baghdad
(*linky*) (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/14/international/middleeast/14iraq-cnd.html?hp&ex=1142398800&en=171ef29ccfc1926a&ei=5094&partner=homepage)
Maybe the British are smart getting out now.
kc7jty
03-14-2006, 06:44 PM
The Brits are leaving!!?? Why, those bastards.
w5klb
03-14-2006, 09:10 PM
Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Mar. 14 2006,11:44)]The Brits are leaving!!?? Why, those bastards.
Let 'em leave. This means more oil for us, and Haliburton.
k4kyv
03-14-2006, 09:38 PM
It's nothing short of criminal that so many people, Iraqi, American and otherwise are still dying in a futile effort to hold that artificial country together.
Iraq's borders are purely arbitrary, carved out by European colonial powers after the old Ottoman Empire fell apart during WW1. That border cuts across ethnic lines, forcing together nationalities who have hated each other for centuries, while dividing ethnic groups into separate countries.
The non-existent "nation of Iraq" is not worth the bones of one American (or British) soldier.
The only thing that has ever held it together is brutal dictatorship. Saddam was the most recent strongman, who happened to be especially brutal.
Let the natives settle their own issues as Iraq reverts to three independent countries, predominantly Shi'ite, Sunni and Kurdish, and while they're at it, let Kurdistan regain its territory that was given to Turkey, Iran and Syria.
KB9YCO
03-14-2006, 09:51 PM
Quote[/b] (k4kyv @ Mar. 14 2006,16:38)]It's nothing short of criminal that so many people, Iraqi, American and otherwise are still dying in a futile effort to hold that artificial country together. #
Iraq's borders are purely arbitrary, carved out by European colonial powers after the old Ottoman Empire fell apart during WW1. #That border cuts across ethnic lines, forcing together nationalities who have hated each other for centuries, while dividing ethnic groups into separate countries.
Exactly right, part of the reason that the Bush administration should've known better to think they could just march in and whip a little American style Democracy on 'em. They underestimated the situation (or didn't care, not sure which at this point) in an area that has been at war with itself and others for countless years largely due to religious and ethnic strife, plus political and financial conflict much of it stemming from the aforementioned religious and ethnic problems. (gotta love that old timey fundamentalist religion eh?) The arrogance of this administration to think that even the best and most well-trained army in the world could change a situation that has been in turmoil for a long, long time in an area with an entrenched and unidentifiable enemy.
I don't think anyone with a brain wants a failure by our troops or for Iraq to become complete chaos, but I also don't think that the complexity of this situation is as simple as a win-lose in a traditional war with two known armies. How the Bush administration couldn't have known this (or didn't care, still not sure which) is beyond me. It's a tangled mess that just keeps tangling with no end in sight, yet.
G0GQK
03-16-2006, 10:28 PM
Its very easy isn't it to make judgements about the de-markation of land after the Great War of 1914-1918 when millions of people were killed and some sort of order had to be imposed on countries after the horror of that war.
There are some places in the world which never have, and which never will be at peace, and in almost every case religion is the basis of these problems.
People from every corner of the world were affected by the Great War soldiers from all the British Commonwealth countries were involved.
Turkey ruled all the middle east, and they were defeated in the Great War. #They ruled their empire with a rod of iron and after the collapse of that country peace had to be restored as quickly as possible.
Who had to restore the peace and attempt to restore order, after having defeated Germany with the help of soldiers from armies around the globe ? #The British, that's who, and that's why we ended up bankrupt for many years, fighting to keep freedom.
Britain has been bankrupted twice by two world wars and if the government had listened to its people instead of a foreign government leader in 2002 we would not have been involved in Iraq. #America tried to drag Britain into Vietnam ,but at that time #we had a governent leader with the ability to say no. We have been involved in far too many wars, remember that we have been around a long, long time.
G0GQK
kc7jty
03-18-2006, 05:38 PM
G0GQK:
# # #You are on our leash and we are on Israel's.
Where does this leave the French one might ask?
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WA5VQM
03-18-2006, 06:57 PM
The present administration misunderestimated the situation.
Quote[/b] (k4kyv @ Mar. 14 2006,14:38)]It's nothing short of criminal that so many people, Iraqi, American and otherwise are still dying in a futile effort to hold that artificial country together.
Iraq's borders are purely arbitrary, carved out by European colonial powers after the old Ottoman Empire fell apart during WW1. That border cuts across ethnic lines, forcing together nationalities who have hated each other for centuries, while dividing ethnic groups into separate countries.
The non-existent "nation of Iraq" is not worth the bones of one American (or British) soldier.
The only thing that has ever held it together is brutal dictatorship. Saddam was the most recent strongman, who happened to be especially brutal.
Let the natives settle their own issues as Iraq reverts to three independent countries, predominantly Shi'ite, Sunni and Kurdish, and while they're at it, let Kurdistan regain its territory that was given to Turkey, Iran and Syria.
In chess matches when I was a kid, my friends and I used to refer to a perfect grasp of a position as a "brilliancy". I think this post qualifies for that moniker. Nice brilliancy kyv.
Quote[/b] (WA5VQM @ Mar. 18 2006,11:57)]The present administration misunderestimated the situation.
In keeping with the chess nomenclature, Bush Blundered.
One more comment: Some kids in my chess club never ever experienced a "brilliancy," but Bush seems like the kind of kid who wasn't even in the club. Why was a guy like him able to rise so far? It is pathetic.
kc7jty
03-18-2006, 10:03 PM
Quote[/b] (al2i @ Mar. 17 2006,13:41)]#Why was a guy like him able to rise so far? #It is pathetic.
The people need something to believe in?
I'm telling you all the Iraq thing has nothing to do with Iraq, and everything to do with our gvt wanting permanent military bases there (land grab). That's why we aren't leaving....not now or ever.
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k6bbc
03-18-2006, 10:19 PM
"The insurgency in Iraq is in the last throes."
Okay guys, who said it?
Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ Mar. 18 2006,09:19)]"The insurgency in Iraq is in the last throes."
Okay guys, who said it?
That be the lying Dick Cheney in May 2005.
So Who said "...the war may take six days, or six weeks, but surely not more than six months"? Back as we prepared to invade Iraq, the nation received this promise.
k6bbc
03-18-2006, 10:49 PM
Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Mar. 18 2006,15:43)]Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ Mar. 18 2006,09:19)]"The insurgency in Iraq is in the last throes."
Okay guys, who said it?
That be the lying Dick Cheney in May 2005.
So Who said "...the war may take six days, or six weeks, but surely not more than six months"? #Back as we prepared to invade Iraq, the nation received this promise.
That would be Rummy.
Is a pattern being formed?
Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ Mar. 18 2006,09:49)]Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Mar. 18 2006,15:43)]Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ Mar. 18 2006,09:19)]"The insurgency in Iraq is in the last throes."
Okay guys, who said it?
That be the lying Dick Cheney in May 2005.
So Who said "...the war may take six days, or six weeks, but surely not more than six months"? Back as we prepared to invade Iraq, the nation received this promise.
That would be Rummy.
Is a pattern being formed?
You gotta love these guys. Anyone who can lie to their nation and kill so many American people are great for something I guess.
Who was it who said "The problem here is that there will always be some uncertainty about how quickly he can acquire nuclear weapons. But we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud"?
k6bbc
03-18-2006, 11:29 PM
Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Mar. 18 2006,16:14)]Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ Mar. 18 2006,09:49)]Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Mar. 18 2006,15:43)]Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ Mar. 18 2006,09:19)]"The insurgency in Iraq is in the last throes."
Okay guys, who said it?
That be the lying Dick Cheney in May 2005.
So Who said "...the war may take six days, or six weeks, but surely not more than six months"? #Back as we prepared to invade Iraq, the nation received this promise.
That would be Rummy.
Is a pattern being formed?
You gotta love these guys. #Anyone who can lie to their nation and kill so many American people are great for something I guess. #
Who was it who said #"The problem here is that there will always be some uncertainty about how quickly he can acquire nuclear weapons. But we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud"?
I think Cheney again - but the one that really gets me MAD is Bush's response to an inquiry how the hunt of OBL was going and replying that he doesn't give it much thought.
There was a three part documentary on a couple of nights ago about the fall of Milosevic. Clinton, Blair, Chirac, Albright, Milosevic, Wesley Clarke, and many many others were interviewed. The statesmanship (and brinksmanship) utilized by all parties was fascinating and inspiring. One could only imagined how a dummy like Bush would have handled the situation. In fact, one does not have to imagine.
bbc
There are some people who feel we invaded to keep the dollar (instead of the Euro) as the basis for oil. Seems to have backfired a bit with the Docks for Oil thing they had with the UAE.
k4kyv
03-19-2006, 05:26 PM
Iraq is in a state of civil war and is nearing the point of no return when the country’s sectarian violence will spill over throughout the Middle East, former Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad Allawi said on Sunday.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11906068/
kc7jty
03-19-2006, 09:16 PM
Quote[/b] (k4kyv @ Mar. 18 2006,11:26)]Iraq is in a state of civil war and is nearing the point of no return when the country’s sectarian violence will spill over throughout the Middle East, former Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad Allawi said on Sunday.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11906068/
Wouldn't it be fun to see former Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad Allawi & Big Dick Cheney nude in a mud wrestling contest?......sorry Dick, you CAN NOT have a shotgun with you during the competition.