BUSH DIDN'T LIE, NEW IRAQI DOCUMENTS

[K3XR]

Bush got it RIGHT.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/3/13/115752.shtml?s=icp

[KA9VQF]

Quote[/b] ]But according to the Washington Times today, an unnamed U.S. official reports that "newly translated Iraqi documents

sounds a bit like the National Enquierer's "experts" to me

[n2nh]

Don't insult the National Enquirer. News Max doesn't even come close.

Too bad if you disagree with anything this administration says or does you're either not an American, a Bush hater or a Commie. It must be nice to see things in the eyes of a 3 year old.

[N9XR]

Quote[/b] ]Bush got it RIGHT.

Then where were the WMD? There were no stockpiles of WMD as promised. Bush got that wrong. Next.

The article mentions nothing of the "convincing " speech by Powell at the UN where he showed pictures of the WMD stockpiles. That is because this speech was a Bush supported lie. He either KNEW there was no WMD, or he has too few brain stem cells to be able to ride a bicycle or chew a pretzel.

Darn, I guess you got me there. I guess he did not lie. Sorry for the confusion. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[n2nh]

Another day, another "truthism".

So Very Sad.

[W8EFA]

What a funny story. #A prime example of stringing a couple of unrelated facts together to trick people into believing the Headline conclusion you want. #

From the article:

Headline - C
Quote[/b] ]New Iraqi Documents Show Bush Didn't 'Lie'

Statement - A
Quote[/b] ] according to the Washington Times today, an unnamed U.S. official reports that "newly translated Iraqi documents . . . tell of Saddam seeking uranium from Africa in the mid-1990s

OK unnamed? #Maybe it's true. #Let's assume it is anyway because we already know he had weapons #before he destroyed them etc and was stronger in the mid 90's.

Statement - B
Quote[/b] ]In his January 2003 address, Bush told the nation:

"The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."

Only a disreputable biased source like Newsmax can put together Statement A and Statement B which does not factually add up to Coclusion C. I don't think that Bush was referring to 10 years ago when he said recently.

[w5ljm]

"Seeking"-"Sought " uranium from Africa. #Well I was seeking to marry Ms. America, but I didn't. #I was seeking to be a millionaire by time I became 47, but it didn't happen.
I don't "hate" Bush, #I just wish he'd admit his failures and step down to go live happily with his lovely bride and let someone in the White House who'll think before they act, and quit being a puppet to his ex president, daddy.
Saddam was bad, but Osama is worse.
When the man (Dubbya) brings Osama bin Hasbeen in and makes the camel flea pay for his crimes, #then I'll be a little more sympathetic toward Bush. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[W8EFA]

Osama Who? Oh yea.... I remember him. The 6'4" Inch Arab on a dialysis machine we can't seem to locate. Might have something to do with all our resources are deployed in Iraq because King George said they had WMD's?

[N9XR]

Quote[/b] ]Don't insult the National Enquirer. News Max doesn't even come close.


The Enquirer owns Newsmax. Their whole clientele base is dependent on those who cannot think for themselves.

[n2nh]

Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Mar. 13 2006,17:32)]Quote[/b] ]Don't insult the National Enquirer. News Max doesn't even come close.


The Enquirer owns Newsmax. Their whole clientele base is dependent on those who cannot think for themselves.
I see your point but it seems that the Enquirer has already lost a number of lawsuits from not being factual. In fact they invented "Dan Rather Disease". OTOH, News Max has yet to be held accountable for it's bizzare imitation of the "truth".

[al2n]

You mean Elvis is really dead?

Say it aint so!

[K6BBC]

NEWSMAX - LOL!

BBC

[K8EEI]

I thought after we took over Iraq , gas prices would go down ...... Oh , wait a second .......I did not vote for an oil man for Prez . Did you ? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[KI4BNC]

Quote[/b] (al2n @ Mar. 13 2006,16:37)]You mean Elvis is really dead?

Say it aint so!
No.
Elvis is not dead.
He is alive and well and living in a little town called Yucon Idaho.(when he is not on his home planet of saturn)
Also the reason they can't find osama is that the dyalasys(yeah I can't spel worth a shot)machine scrambles the satellite imagery.
or something.
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[n8yx]

Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Mar. 13 2006,15:20)]Osama Who? Oh yea.... I remember him. The 6'4" Inch Arab on a dialysis machine we can't seem to locate.
Glad to know that I'm not the only one who's been puzzling over this...

"Which way did he go, George...which way did he go??!!??"

[W2ILP]

Who cares what Saddam Hussein was alleged to seek? #You can't incriminate a man because he went to a gun show but couldn't buy a gun. #Maybe Saddam was looking to start a nuclear power plant and wanted to know if it was cheaper than his oil. #Maybe he was just price shopping. #Maybe ...maybe... #If....If...
BUT...BUT...
The point is Saddam Hussein did not get any uranium from Africa and he had not built any WMDs, nor did he have the potential to build any when he was invaded.

The U.S. intelligence could not have been based on intentions alone..The false intelligence reports or the false ignorant interpretation of intelligence reports that led to "war" with Iraq are what we can blame our president and most of our congress for. #Wishful intentions mean very little. They are no more than impossible dreams.

w2ilp (Intentionally Lost Probability?)

[n4ems]

If Bush's lips are moving, he's lying; and don't blame me as a Democrat for this mess either, I didn't vote for him, his brother or his Daddy. #Thank God there are only 1027 days, (as of the date I am posting this), until Inauguration Day 2009. (For a more accurate countdown, check out Freedom Clock (http://www.vertetsable.com/freedomclock/clock.htm) .)

[n8yx]

Quote[/b] (n4ems @ Mar. 13 2006,23:18)]Thank God there are only 1027 days, (as of the date I am posting this), until Inauguration Day 2009.
That is, if he willingly relinquishes his "throne"...

[n2nh]

Quote[/b] (KI4BNC @ Mar. 13 2006,22:00)]Quote[/b] (al2n @ Mar. 13 2006,16:37)]You mean Elvis is really dead?

Say it aint so!
No.
Elvis is not dead.
He is alive and well and living in a little town called Yucon Idaho.(when he is not on his home planet of saturn)
Also the reason they can't find osama is that the dyalasys(yeah I can't spel worth a shot)machine scrambles the satellite imagery.
or something.
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Heck we all know Kirk isn't dead either. http://www.subvertcentral.com/forum/images/smiles/mutley-ani1.gif

[wv6z]

Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ Mar. 12 2006,19:32)]NEWSMAX - LOL!

BBC
Ditto

[k4kyv]

Sounds like something you would have heard on XERF or WCKY back in the 50's. Some REAL journalism there!

One of the links in the article (http://www.newsmax.com/blaylock/5a.cfm?PROMO_CODE=1C71-1)

[KB9YCO]

This has got to win the load of crap of the month award. No offense to the original poster but this isn't exactly solid journalism here. And, as has been mentioned, if this were the case about the weapons then where are they? I'm not a Bush hater, he is starting to seem so ridiculous to me that I could only pity his ignorance and blind party line logic, though I certainly don't forgive him for what he's done and not done for our country.
Besides, this whole supposed neo-conservative movement is not exactly conservative in action, they're about as conservative as Tipper Gore is liberal. Such easy labels to throw around, after awhile they don't even mean what they really do mean, know what I mean?
If anyone wants to send me some printed Newsmax I'm sure my bird will enjoy it.

[KC2KFC]

Brett,

I'm kind of curious what you think about the Iran "nuclear weapons program". All the world is saying they have one including GWB, but many in the world also said Saddam had a WMD program back in the late 90's. Do you think this latest "intelligence" about Iran is just a bunch of crap?

[KA9VQF]

About now someone in lock step should say something like “Why do you hate freedom”

Then cut to W running down the hall yelling “Daddy, there thinking again”

[w5ljm]

Quote[/b] (n8yx @ Mar. 13 2006,23:25)]Quote[/b] (n4ems @ Mar. 13 2006,23:18)]Thank God there are only 1027 days, (as of the date I am posting this), until Inauguration Day 2009.
That is, if he willingly relinquishes his "throne"...
Yeah but the fool is gonna get us all killed within 1027 days. A lot can happen in 1000 days.

[k4kyv]

British Prime Minister Tony Blair received stark warnings from senior diplomatic and military staff three years ago that the United States was mishandling the post-war occupation of Iraq with disastrous effects, a series of leaked memos has revealed.

The then British envoy to Baghdad, John Sawyers, wrote a string of confidential memos to Downing Street in May and June 2003 describing U.S. failures in the aftermath of the invasion.

http://www.spacewar.com/reports....aq.html (http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Blair_Told_Of_US_Mess_In_Post_War_Iraq.html)

[K0RGR]

Well, here we have that upstanding news organization, NewsMax and its' assorted snake oil vendors quoting a story in the Washington Times. The Washington Times is a publication of NewsCorp, aka Fox News - the 24X7 'Bush can do nothing wrong' fair and wildly unbalanced network. So, you have a likely distorted story being further misconstrued.

[KB9YCO]

Quote[/b] (KC2KFC @ Mar. 15 2006,11:37)]Brett,

I'm kind of curious what you think about the Iran "nuclear weapons program". All the world is saying they have one including GWB, but many in the world also said Saddam had a WMD program back in the late 90's. Do you think this latest "intelligence" about Iran is just a bunch of crap?
That's a different story from the one that was posted, but there is certainly a need for some concern since the Iranians are admitting to wanting nuclear capabilities. (That's not the same as a story from a National Enquirer type source with somewhat specious information.)
I don't think anyone wants more nukes, especially from a fairly unstable and aggressive country like Iran, but I also find it amusing that the US preaches cutting back on nuclear weapons while we continue to stockpile and own the most in the world. (Let's also not forget that the Bush administration is willing to help India with it's energy problems, granted that is different than Iran, but it can't be making Pakistan, our allies, too happy either.) That being said I obviously trust our government much more than someone like Iran, but there is a definite hypocrisy with US policy and for people outside of country it would appear even more hyopcritical since many of them don't trust us to start with. The problem is that the Bush administration only wants to deal with certain people and refuses to do anything but bully a country like Iran, while that may be warranted in many cases it has an obvious backlash effect in both Iran and the perceptions of the Muslim world in general.
Do I personally think it's a load of crap? No, since they've admitted to seeking out nuclear capabilities, though they say it is to supplement their energy issues who really knows with a country that has a history of lying. But is it always America's job to police the world without some sort of coalition? The so-called evidence on Iraq was wrong and we completely disregarded the UN and many of our allies, I don't know that that's a path we should take again though there may be a real threat to the world from Iran.

[K6BBC]

This is such CRAP. The UN and IAEC said he didn’t have them. Saddman said he didn’t have them. AND HE DIDN’T HAVE THEM. There is a world of difference between “have,” “had, “ and “wants.”

Looking at the most recent polls, it appears only the Kool-Aid drinkers are still supporting Bush on this one.

bbc

[KA8DKT]

Looks like another Rove propaganda plant.
-gary

[kb0yup]

Sigh--we told Saddam for a whole year that we were coming. If he did have WMD he had plenty of time to make them disappear in whatever fashion he chose, including arms sales.

[w5ljm]

You know, IF I were going to do a random drug check on one of my kids room, I don't think I would tell him/her a week in advance. Then the drug check would be worthless. "hey, I'll just stash it at a friends house for a few days. No biggy!" http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[W8EFA]

Sigh - There were no WMD's and they were not hidden or taken anywhere. #We have interviewed thousands of Iraquis including Sadaam and intelligence shows they had none. #We were also spying on Iraq for 10 years before we attacked, we would have detected any movement of weapons. #

We also had weapons inspectors in Iraq for over two months before we invaded with unfettered access to any facilities and they found nothing. #Common sense told us that Bush didn't care about WMD's when he pulled out the inspectors. #Every day they didn't find anything made it harder to invade.

Anyway our premise for attacking Iraq was that he had WMD's and he would use them. #If he had them, and moved them, and didn't use them against the U.S. who invaded his country - our whole premise was obviously wrong.

You people need to face the facts!

[w0aew]

Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Mar. 16 2006,08:34)]You people need to face the facts!
They remind me of Linus waiting in the pumpkin patch for the Great Pumpkin to appear.

"The Great Pumpkin flies around the world on Halloween night looking for the most sincere pumpkin patch."

Pathetic, actually.

Now that we're afraid of Iran, look for Bush to invade....Ethiopia.

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[W8EFA]

Quote[/b] ]Now that we're afraid of Iran, look for Bush to invade....Ethiopia

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Good one

[n8yx]

Quote[/b] (WA5OES @ Mar. 16 2006,08:40)]Now that we're afraid of Iran, look for Bush to invade....Ethiopia.
France. We're going after them next.

They've not done anything to us and given us no reason to suspect that they ever will...but...you just KNOW how these things turn out, right?

[KC2KFC]

Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Mar. 16 2006,08:34)]Sigh - There were no WMD's and they were not hidden or taken anywhere. We have interviewed thousands of Iraquis including Sadaam and intelligence shows they had none. We were also spying on Iraq for 10 years before we attacked, we would have detected any movement of weapons.

We also had weapons inspectors in Iraq for over two months before we invaded with unfettered access to any facilities and they found nothing. Common sense told us that Bush didn't care about WMD's when he pulled out the inspectors. Every day they didn't find anything made it harder to invade.

Anyway our premise for attacking Iraq was that he had WMD's and he would use them. If he had them, and moved them, and didn't use them against the U.S. who invaded his country - our whole premise was obviously wrong.

You people need to face the facts!
Bill,
I'm curious about your thoughts on Iran. I know everyone is saying they have a weapons program. Do you think they really have one?

[K8AG]

Quote[/b] (KC2KFC @ Mar. 16 2006,12:32)]Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Mar. 16 2006,08:34)]Sigh - There were no WMD's and they were not hidden or taken anywhere. #We have interviewed thousands of Iraquis including Sadaam and intelligence shows they had none. #We were also spying on Iraq for 10 years before we attacked, we would have detected any movement of weapons. #

We also had weapons inspectors in Iraq for over two months before we invaded with unfettered access to any facilities and they found nothing. #Common sense told us that Bush didn't care about WMD's when he pulled out the inspectors. #Every day they didn't find anything made it harder to invade.

Anyway our premise for attacking Iraq was that he had WMD's and he would use them. #If he had them, #and moved them, #and didn't use them against the U.S. who invaded his country - #our whole premise was obviously wrong.

You people need to face the facts!
Bill,
I'm curious about your thoughts on Iran. I know everyone is saying they have a weapons program. Do you think they really have one?
I don't think they have one, yet. That's why they want to restart their refining program. ;)

73, JP, K8AG

[W8EFA]

Kevin
KC2KFC


No not yet , but they are certainly trying to develop them. Estimates I have seen is they could be ready in 1 to 2 years.

[N9XR]

Quote[/b] ]You know, IF I were going to do a random drug check on one of my kids room, I don't think I would tell him/her a week in advance. Then the drug check would be worthless. "hey, I'll just stash it at a friends house for a few days. No biggy!"

You would tell them that you will have a drug check. If they don't have drugs, then you will be happy. If they do have drugs, then, hey, a lot of kids use drugs.

I see this attitude on this forum when the present administration lies, breaks laws, or flip flops and breaks promises.

Being a parent has never been easier.

[kf6rdn]

Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Mar. 16 2006,20:40)]You would tell them that you will have a drug check. If they don't have drugs, then you will be happy. If they do have drugs, then, hey, a lot of kids use drugs.
"You had drugs?"


"And you didn't SHARE? ? ?"
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[w5ljm]

Riiight! #If you say so.

I get tickled at all the Super Parents out there. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[k4kyv]

Rep. John Murtha: 'The only people who want us in Iraq are Iran and al-Qaida.'

http://www.alternet.org/columnists/story/33663/

[wa6ccw]

Quote[/b] (k4kyv @ Mar. 19 2006,06:21)]Rep. John Murtha: 'The only people who want us in Iraq are Iran and al-Qaida.'

http://www.alternet.org/columnists/story/33663/
http://www.sacredcowburgers.com/parodies/the_murtha_of_all_morons.jpg

The Murtha of All Morons (http://www.sacredcowburgers.com/leftovers/commentary.cgi?the_murtha_of_all_morons)

[N9XR]

Right wingers hate military heroes who served honorably.

[K6BBC]

Quote[/b] (wa6ccw @ Mar. 19 2006,16:23)]Quote[/b] (k4kyv @ Mar. 19 2006,06:21)]Rep. John Murtha: 'The only people who want us in Iraq are Iran and al-Qaida.'

http://www.alternet.org/columnists/story/33663/
http://www.sacredcowburgers.com/parodies/the_murtha_of_all_morons.jpg

The Murtha of All Morons (http://www.sacredcowburgers.com/leftovers/commentary.cgi?the_murtha_of_all_morons)
Did you serve CCW?

bbc

[K6BBC]

This country is under the grip of Christian fascism that, in the name of Jesus, will go to no lengths to smear apposing viewpoints.

I have seen Rep. Murtha interviewed several time since he became a news-junkie celebrity. He has always conducted himself with dignity and grace and not taken offence (at least publicly) to the to the insults the God pimps have thrown at him.

This country is in a weird, bizarre state because a pack of loud-mouthed crazies are manipulated by cynical, harsh people who only want one think – POWER.

Finally, FINALLY, it appears the pendulum has reached its zenith and the Christian right’s mom and apple pie veneer is cracking as there corruption is bathed in the light of truth.

Murtha is a fine American who has a right to speak without a pack of lying hyenas pouncing like mindless guppies.

K6BBC

[W2ILP]

Bringing in or killing Bin Ladin will not end the conditions that lead to Fundamentalist Muslim terrorism. #Capturing Saddam Hussein made things worse...and when Arafat passed the Palistinians voted for Hammas, which is harder to deal with than Arafat. #
We are not fighting Hitler and Tojo guys... We are fighting Muslim extremists. #We may be doing so for the remainder of our days no matter who leads them.

w2ilp (Islam's Leaders Persist) ...no matter who they are now or who they will be.

[wa6ccw]

Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ Mar. 20 2006,09:28)]Did you serve CCW?

bbc
Absolutely.

Why do you ask?

[wa6ccw]

Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ Mar. 20 2006,10:59)]This country is under the grip of Christian fascism that, in the name of Jesus, will go to no lengths to smear apposing viewpoints.
Really? Well, I'm an atheist (in case you were wondering).

[wa6ccw]

Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Mar. 20 2006,07:51)]Right wingers hate military heroes who served honorably.
Really? Is that what it is?

Geez... thanks for clearing that up. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[K6BBC]

Quote[/b] (wa6ccw @ Mar. 19 2006,23:35)]Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ Mar. 20 2006,10:59)]This country is under the grip of Christian fascism that, in the name of Jesus, will go to no lengths to smear apposing viewpoints.
Really? Well, I'm an atheist (in case you were wondering).
My apologies – and congratulations.

bbc

[wa6ccw]

Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ Mar. 20 2006,14:12)]Quote[/b] (wa6ccw @ Mar. 19 2006,23:35)]Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ Mar. 20 2006,10:59)]This country is under the grip of Christian fascism that, in the name of Jesus, will go to no lengths to smear apposing viewpoints.
Really? Well, I'm an atheist (in case you were wondering).
My apologies – and congratulations.

bbc
Hey, no problem (and thanks). http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif