Think your cables are completely broken in?

[k4kyv]

Although it is not yet fully understood scientifically, the phenomenon of "cable break-in" has been experienced by many audiophools. Interconnects, speaker cables and even power cords seem to go through a conditioning period when used in an audio/video system, and will sound better after many hours of in-system use. The sonic differences between wiring that is broken-in and wiring that is not are very audible in high quality audio systems.

http://www.audioexcellenceaz.com/audiodharmacablecooker.htm

[w3sy]

Checking the calendar.... Nope, not April 1st yet...

[WA5KRP]

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WA5KRP
Texas

[KF0RT]

I buy all my cables preconditioned. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

73, Rob

[KC0W]

I'm honestly shocked & (almost) left speechless after reading about this piece of garbage. The crap that people will try to sell to the unsuspecting is absolutely amazing.

There really should be a law.



Tom kcØw

[k4kyv]

Quote[/b] (kc0w @ Feb. 18 2006,13:38)]I'm honestly shocked & (almost) left speechless after reading about this piece of garbage. The crap that people will try to sell to the unsuspecting is absolutely amazing.

There really should be a law.
Well, you ain't seen nothing yet. Check out some more of these goodies.

http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina28.htm
http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina64.htm
http://www.amusicdirect.com/products/detail.asp?cat=280&sku=AELEV (http://www.amusicdirect.com/products/detail.asp?cat=280&sku=AELEV) (genuine porcelain power pole insulators)
http://www.mother-of-tone.com/acoustic_panel.htm
http://www.altmann.haan.de/tubeolator/default.htm
http://www.shakti-innovations.com/hallograph.htm
http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/mit_oracle_v21.htm
http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/audiomagic_clairvoyant.htm
http://virtualdynamics.ca/products/MAS/POW
http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina31.htm

And this one is probably really intended to serve a genuine purpose, to defeat certain types of copy protection. I have heard of it being successfully done with an ordinary permanent marker (at 1/10 the price):
http://www.elusivedisc.com/prodinfo.asp?number=AP-CDSL

[K9STH]

True "audiophools" will pay hundreds of dollars for "preconditioned", "oxygen free copper", gold plated connectors, etc. They "swear" that they can detect a "difference" in the performance of their equipment.

They also like "black beauty" capacitors (that have been going bad in amateur radio equipment for decades - get extremely leaky) and will pay tens of dollars for those that have been removed from equipment because they are causing problems.

Glen, K9STH

[KA3RFE]

Sure! It's true! The "SWRs" go away!

[G0GQK]

I've often wondered why I had all these unexplained problems with the antenna and the swar meter and the funny connectors with pointy bits on the end. I'll have to do what the old boys told me when I was got my first rig and stretch the coax and leave it out in the rain to weather it a bit. That'll cure the problems

G0GQK #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[KW4MW]

Do those cables have gain? How much?

[KB3LIX]

Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Feb. 18 2006,15:52)]True "audiophools" will pay hundreds of dollars for "preconditioned", "oxygen free copper", gold plated connectors, etc. #They "swear" that they can detect a "difference" in the performance of their equipment.

They also like "black beauty" capacitors (that have been going bad in amateur radio equipment for decades - get extremely leaky) and will pay tens of dollars for those that have been removed from equipment because they are causing problems.

Glen, K9STH
Quoting Sherman T. Potter, MASH 4077:



HORSE HOCKEY !

[AG3Y]

Quote[/b] (k4kyv @ Feb. 18 2006,16:50)]Quote[/b] (kc0w @ Feb. 18 2006,13:38)]I'm honestly shocked & (almost) left speechless after reading about this piece of garbage. The crap that people will try to sell to the unsuspecting is absolutely amazing.

There really should be a law.
Well, you ain't seen nothing yet. #Check out some more of these goodies.

http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina28.htm
http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina64.htm
http://www.amusicdirect.com/products/detail.asp?cat=280&sku=AELEV (http://www.amusicdirect.com/products/detail.asp?cat=280&sku=AELEV) (genuine porcelain power pole insulators)
http://www.mother-of-tone.com/acoustic_panel.htm
http://www.altmann.haan.de/tubeolator/default.htm
http://www.shakti-innovations.com/hallograph.htm
http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/mit_oracle_v21.htm
http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/audiomagic_clairvoyant.htm
http://virtualdynamics.ca/products/MAS/POW
http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina31.htm

And this one is probably really intended to serve a genuine purpose, to defeat certain types of copy protection. #I have heard of it being successfully done with an ordinary permanent marker (at 1/10 the price):
http://www.elusivedisc.com/prodinfo.asp?number=AP-CDSL
I don't know if it's found among this bunch of URLs, but my favorite review was for various tone arms. A certain one constructed of WOOD of all things, was highly praised for the "Space" that it created between the various notes of music that were being performed on the record being auditioned for the test! How in the world this "Space" was defined by the reviewer was never made clear!

The wooden tone arm cost several hundred dollars, and that was several years ago !

Give me some Balsa wood, and I can carve you a real nice wooden tone arm , too ! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif


"Space" indeed ! ! !
73, Jim

[KB3LIX]

"Space"
The final Frontier....never mind.

[WB2WIK]

Used coax and antenna wire for sale:

100' RG213 new: $39.95
100' RG213 preconditioned (used five years and all the electrons are completely relaxed): $139.95

Send check or money order to

AARH
PO Box 88
Moscow

(AARH = Associaton for Advancement of Retarded Hams)

[N9XR]

A store chain who has a name similar to "Radio Shaft" used to train it's sales force that 75 ohm coax is better than 300 ohm twinlead BECAUSE 300 OHMS is about 4 times the resistance and therefore much more lossy than the 75 ohm cable.

People with power and money can propagate many lies. People listen and pay attention believing that they are learning, and the stories are plausible to the untrained.

[w3sy]

<span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:red'>DANGER! 300 OHMS!</span></span>

[ab8ma]

Goes along with the &quot;theory&quot; that the preamp and amp must remain ON so that the wires remain &quot;in harmony&quot;.

I fell in this trap once. Bought a couple of interconnects for $40 and loved the sound.

Seems though that I had always loved the sound.

Oh well.

[k9cn]

This is for real and it applies even in amateur radio.

For years I've noticed that periodically reversing your transmission line re-balances the harmonic deviations that are otherwise imprinted on the line through interactions with the earth's magnetic field. Failure to do this on a periodic basis inevitably leads to undesirable gradient effects that manifest themselves in the form of less power being delivered to the antenna than is delivered from the transmitter. By swapping the transmission line end for end at appropriate times, the harmonically induced gradient effects can be counterbalanced and avoided. As a further benefit, energy previously thought to be &quot;lost&quot; in the line can be recovered, actually leading to MORE energy going into the antenna than is delivered by the transmitter.

Those who haven't tried this are no-doubt skeptical, but believe me IT WORKS.

As to how often the line should be reversed, this depends on hyper-responsive convergences dictated by the earth's magnetic field iso-resonant dynamic functions. I'm still investigating this and will report with my findings shortly.

In the meantime, good listening.

[K7KBN]

Many years ago, a salesbeing at Radio Store answered my innocent question, &quot;What does this 'RMS' mean, referring to audio power?&quot;

He beamed at me. &quot;That stands for Real Music Sound!&quot;

You could have heard my eyeballs rolling in the next county.

[K9STH]

SY:

When I was in college the campus store used to sell 3X5 cards with &quot;Danger: 1,000 MegOhms&quot; printed on them.

Even then there were some engineering students who wouldn't touch one of the cards.

Glen, K9STH

[KC0W]

Quote[/b] (k9cn @ Feb. 21 2006,00:13)]For years I've noticed that periodically reversing your transmission line re-balances the harmonic deviations that are otherwise imprinted on the line through interactions with the earth's magnetic field. Failure to do this on a periodic basis inevitably leads to undesirable gradient effects that manifest themselves in the form of less power being delivered to the antenna than is delivered from the transmitter. #By swapping the transmission line end for end at appropriate times, the harmonically induced gradient effects can be counterbalanced and avoided. #As a further benefit, energy previously thought to be &quot;lost&quot; in the line can be recovered, actually leading to MORE energy going into the antenna than is delivered by the transmitter.
I have absolutely no idea as to what this is saying.......Hope I'm not alone.


Tom kcØw

[k9cn]

Quote[/b] (kc0w @ Feb. 20 2006,18:45)]Quote[/b] (k9cn @ Feb. 21 2006,00:13)]For years I've noticed that periodically reversing your transmission line re-balances the harmonic deviations that are otherwise imprinted on the line through interactions with the earth's magnetic field. Failure to do this on a periodic basis inevitably leads to undesirable gradient effects that manifest themselves in the form of less power being delivered to the antenna than is delivered from the transmitter. By swapping the transmission line end for end at appropriate times, the harmonically induced gradient effects can be counterbalanced and avoided. As a further benefit, energy previously thought to be &quot;lost&quot; in the line can be recovered, actually leading to MORE energy going into the antenna than is delivered by the transmitter.
I have absolutely no idea as to what this is saying.......Hope I'm not alone.


Tom kcØw
Well, Tom, that's because you are too bound by the rigidity of so-called &quot;scientific fact&quot; and &quot;accepted theory.&quot; Those who delve into the upper levels of audio technological research will have no trouble understanding what I'm saying!

[W2ILP]

Audio cables are only made into fetishes by HiFi nuts who claim to hear differences at audio frequencies. #A mathematical analysis can show that the characteristic impedance of audio cables are not critical, especially when audio devices usually run between 8 and 600 ohms impedances.

BUT RF coax cables may be critical and they must maintain a reasonable characteristic impedance (Z) for maximum power transfer without distortion. #The Z of a coax cable depends on the dimensions of the cross section of the center conductor and the shield and also on the characteristics of the dielectric. (but not the length) #Foam dielectrics may offer the least RF loss per foot but may not be temperature stable. #They may also be damaged by sharp cable bending. #There are specs that apply to military type RG- cables. #Non mil cables may not meet the mil specs even when they have the same RG- numbers.

All cables have some loss and the loss is a function of frequency as well as length. #At microwave frequencies coax loss is so great that waveguides must be used instead of coax.
The loss of audio cables at audio frequencies is negligible as long as their electrical resistance is reasonably low and they are not too long.

Cables are not considered active devices and can not have any gain....but a cablegram from a lottery could be profitable.

A coax cable with a holy shield might be broken into but a twisted pair audio cable will only fail as a function of time if it comes up short.

w2ilp (Intertwined Long Pairs)..have common mode rejection even if the Earth's magnetic field was a billion times stronger and it reversed at audio frequencies.

[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (k9cn @ Feb. 20 2006,17:13)]For years I've noticed that periodically reversing your transmission line re-balances the harmonic deviations that are otherwise imprinted on the line through interactions with the earth's magnetic field. Failure to do this on a periodic basis inevitably leads to undesirable gradient effects that manifest themselves in the form of less power being delivered to the antenna than is delivered from the transmitter. By swapping the transmission line end for end at appropriate times, the harmonically induced gradient effects can be counterbalanced and avoided. As a further benefit, energy previously thought to be &quot;lost&quot; in the line can be recovered, actually leading to MORE energy going into the antenna than is delivered by the transmitter.
I have actually created an inline harmonic rebalancer that eliminates these effects. The counterbalance is achieved using a special tri-metal alloy (very expensive) along with a specially formulated Delrin ™ dielectric. As you might imagine, these formulations are a closely guarded secret. As a convenience advantage, and to help prevent theft, my harmonic rebalancer looks just like an ordinary SO-239 barrel connector.

If anybody would like one, just send $1499.95 (or a new IC-7000) to my QRZ address.

73, Rob

[KC0KBH]

The &quot;cable cooker&quot; looks like $20 worth of parts from rat shack. $10 for the box, $10 worth of jacks. I wonder what it looks like inside? Probably just jacks in the front of the box, with no wires or anything soldered to them.

[k4kyv]

Quote[/b] (KC0KBH @ Feb. 21 2006,14:39)]The &quot;cable cooker&quot; looks like $20 worth of parts from rat shack. $10 for the box, $10 worth of jacks. I wonder what it looks like inside? Probably just jacks in the front of the box, with no wires or anything soldered to them.
Wonder if anyone reading this recalls the infamous &quot;Maxcom automatic antenna matcher.&quot;


But none of this stuff works correctly unless you have &quot;high end&quot; a.c. power outlets installed in your house.

http://www.audioexcellenceaz.com/oyaideoutlets.htm

I think I'm in the wrong business.

[W2ILP]

Anybody who buys a &quot;cable cooker&quot; might also have bought the Brooklyn Bridge and been convinced that it was needed to find the coefficient of expansion of the bridge's suspension cables.

I haven't tried to sell the Brooklyn Bridge lately. It isn't as easy to do these days...but I was told that some recent arrival to New York City put a down payment on the Statue of Liberty.

Hmmm....&quot;Cable Cooker&quot;? Can you buy one from Betty Crocker if you have enough points?

Are cooked cables better than raw cables? Nope...Not if they are insulated by PVC as opposed to Teflon. PVC can melt like cheese....but toasted Teflon won't melt.
I don't need any oven to prove that...all it takes is a short circuit.

w2ilp (Incinerated Lousy PVC)...don't try cooking it! Any cooking will then be the result of a short inside job.

[KC0KBH]

Cooking instructions:
Take a pot, and fill it with 2 quarts of water. Add 1 tbsp of salt, and boil cables for 10 mins. Serve with broiled gold plated connectors. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[KC0KBH]

http://www.audioexcellenceaz.com/acrolink.htm

I can't help but get an overwhelming feeling of what a load of crap this stuff all is. A better sounding power cable?!?!?!?!
Quote[/b] ] UPDATE....customers have been reporting great results with the 046 and 037 cables on their plasma and LCD monitors.

If I use one of the fancy power cables with my cheap, mediocre 15&quot; LCD, it will still be a cheap, mediocre 15&quot; LCD. I can gaurantee there would be no difference. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[KC0KBH]

http://www.audioexcellenceaz.com/images/p4060fweb.jpg

Looks like normal housewiring to me, just with a different jacket.

[ve2nsm]

I have had some exchanges with these nutcases who claim to be able to hear the difference between 3ft of standard 16ga speaker wire and another 3ft of monster 4/0ga supper copper gold plated oxygen free and the whole 9 yards.

What they don't seem to grasp in that inside the amp, the wires that go to the PCB are like 22ga, and inside the speaker box, going through the crossover and all the sh**... well, you get the point.

If they knew that in most of my pro installations, I usually run 12ga stranded for runs in excess of 100' to a 4ohms load.

An for the video buffs, they get green if you tell them complete studio infrastructures runs on belden 1694A for runs well in excess of 100' and this cable costs about $0.25 a foot http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[N4DIA]

I just have to add this story. #When I was a kid, we convinced another neighborhood kid that he needed to change the air out in his bike tires because the air would get stale.

Once a week he would let the air out and get out the bicycle hand pump out and refill them. #This went on for a few weeks until his father asked him what he was doing.

[KC0KBH]

If you let all the air out of a tire at once, if it is an older tire, like the ones on my four wheeler (I had bead seating problems), that does stink! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[k9cn]

And furthermore, what's all this about &quot;cooking&quot; cables? Everyone knows that FREEZING your components is the true -- indeed only -- way to audio bliss.

(That one I'm not making up. I've actually heard people make this claim.)

[W2ILP]

In the movie &quot;The Gold Rush&quot;, Charlie Chaplin was so starved that he ate his own boot. He handled the boot laces like they were spaghetti. Can you imagine what Charlie could have done with gnarly cooked cables and the proper sauce impedances!

w2ilp (Ingesting Little Plugs) when you can't make cable ends meat.

[w8znx]

Quote[/b] (k4kyv @ Feb. 21 2006,15:57)]infamous &quot;Maxcom automatic antenna matcher.&quot;


But none of this stuff works correctly unless you have &quot;high end&quot; a.c. power outlets installed in your house.

http://www.audioexcellenceaz.com/oyaideoutlets.htm

I think I'm in the wrong business.
ur right
lets see now audio fools all love triodes
can start puting some 811A in the ice box

still have a few old receivers that need recaping

most audio fools
realy go for nice wood boxes
im not bad with varnish
can make up some nice wood boxes
know where to find some good looking wood
put a gunplexer inside for better ghz audio

just when i think iv seen it all
somebody comes up with more ways
to make money off of fools
with little brain pwr and too too much cash

there is another side
anybody here remember &quot; Audio Amateur &quot; magazine
man it was full of great projects
they did not fall for audio fool bs

but then they were in to building gear
not buying gear

mac

[k4kyv]

Quote[/b] (KC0KBH @ Feb. 21 2006,19:59)]http://www.audioexcellenceaz.com/acrolink.htm

I can't help but get an overwhelming feeling of what a load of crap this stuff all is. A better sounding power cable?!?!?!?!
Quote[/b] ] UPDATE....customers have been reporting great results with the 046 and 037 cables on their plasma and LCD monitors.

If I use one of the fancy power cables with my cheap, mediocre 15&quot; LCD, it will still be a cheap, mediocre 15&quot; LCD. I can gaurantee there would be no difference. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Quote[/b] ]Minute impurities create variations in impedance, inhibiting the ability of a cable to achieve extended frequency response. Responsible for meeting the needs of leading edge computer and aerospace technology, Acrolink has developed a multi-stage process that removes each impurity individually. Applying this to audio they have been able to achieve flat frequency response to 18 GHz in their Mexcel series!

Audio up to 18 GHz? Besides, I thought you had to use waveguides at those frequencies. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif