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KC9EOG
02-17-2006, 06:16 PM
natalee holloway (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060217/ap_on_re_us/aruba_missing_teen)
Her parents are suing the kid who is suspected of having something to do with her disappearance. They let a high school girl travel to Aruba to party and they think it was all innocent? What teen-ager is going to go on one of these spring break trips and sit around drinking apple juice? If they wouldn't have let their little girl go, she would probably still be alive. Their foolishness contributed to this, and they should be punished like all bad parents should be.
KA3RFE
02-17-2006, 07:50 PM
Legal responsibility falls onto the person or persons who committed the act if a crime was committed.
There is nothing wrong with her parents allowing her to make that trip. Numerous graduating hish school kids take similar trips every year. In Natalie's case there were adult chaperones with the kids.
WB2WIK
02-17-2006, 10:30 PM
Not so sure anybody can successfully sue or prosecute anybody here until and unless someone can be charged with a crime.
Natalee was 18 years old, making her of majority age to do what she wished in Aruba, or at home for that matter.
Doubt the chaperones could be successfully prosecuted, as it would be pretty easy to say, "She's over 18 -- we told her not to do this and that, and she did it, anyway."
WB2WIK/6
I didn't know how old she was. I have been trying to ignore the new-age news with its manic, non-stop reporting of a few particular crimes and misdemeaners to the exclusion of a million other crimes I don't really care to know about either.
Ship the three "suspects" off to Gitmo and see how tough they act after a while...
KA3RFE
02-17-2006, 11:17 PM
Quote[/b] (al2i @ Feb. 17 2006,14:08)]Quote[/b] (KA3RFE @ Feb. 17 2006,12:50)]Legal responsibility falls onto the person or persons who committed the act if a crime was committed.
There is nothing wrong with her parents allowing her to make that trip. Numerous graduating hish school kids take similar trips every year. In Natalie's case there were adult chaperones with the kids.
Then the adult chaperones should be vigorously prosecuted in either a civil or criminal court, or both.
No, sorry, there is no law broken by parents or adult supervisors on the trip. If Natalie was murdered the murder suspect(s) have all legal responsibilities once a court rules so.
If the girl was, in fact, 18 years old, parents and chaperones are completely without responsibilty. I know nothing about Dutch law but 18 year old women in the US are adults and free to do as they wish. The parents could have been against her going on the trip but there was nothing they could do about it from a legal standpoint.
As I said and reiterate ad-nauseum, I did not follow this media-driven case. I avoided it in fact. I thought it was about a younger girl.
There, I deleted my original post. Why there are "adult chaparones" for an 18 year old is beyond me. Perhaps some kids were younger. I assumed the girl was younger.
Anyhow, is the "slut" word appropriate or not?
ae4fa
02-18-2006, 12:33 AM
Quote[/b] ]The parents could have been against her going on the trip but there was nothing they could do about it
Other than refusing to pay for it.
KA3RFE
02-18-2006, 12:44 AM
Quote[/b] (al2i @ Feb. 17 2006,16:39)]There, I deleted my original post. #Why there are "adult chaparones" for an 18 year old is beyond me. #Perhaps some kids were younger. #I assumed the girl was younger.
Anyhow, is the "slut" word appropriate or not?
Her prior sexual history, no matter what it is, has little to do with anything. Sluts have the right to justice too, mister, and if she was murdered, her attackers must be brought to justice and punished.
Go back to ignoring the story.
Quote[/b] (KA3RFE @ Feb. 17 2006,17:44)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ Feb. 17 2006,16:39)]There, I deleted my original post. Why there are "adult chaparones" for an 18 year old is beyond me. Perhaps some kids were younger. I assumed the girl was younger.
Anyhow, is the "slut" word appropriate or not?
Her prior sexual history, no matter what it is, has little to do with anything. Sluts have the right to justice too, mister, and if she was murdered, her attackers must be brought to justice and punished.
Go back to ignoring the story.
I was wondering if she went on to some other young man/men after being with the first group, not whether it was illegal to murder sluts.
KA3RFE
02-18-2006, 02:07 AM
Quote[/b] (ae4fa @ Feb. 17 2006,17:33)]Quote[/b] ]The parents could have been against her going on the trip but there was nothing they could do about it
Other than refusing to pay for it.
Well, yes, that is true. I haven't seen any indication of who paid for it but it is still not her parent's who are at fault.
73
WB2WIK
02-18-2006, 03:19 AM
Well she was 18 (or maybe "is" 18, I am hopeful she's still alive, someplace) and that's an adult in most places.
You can vote and join the armed forces, and you can drive in all 50 states at that age, but it's not old enough to "drink" in many states, including mine (CA).
I think the age of majority should be raised to 21 everywhere. 18's too young. I figure if the government won't allow 18 year olds to drink alcohol, that's a very telling statement about how much they can really be trusted, on average, and I tend to agree with it.
People are all different. Anyone can act stupid or irresponsibly at any age, but I'd give 'em another three years to chew on it.
WB2WIK/6
ae4fa
02-18-2006, 03:31 AM
Quote[/b] ]Anyone can act stupid or irresponsibly at any age, but I'd give 'em another three years to chew on it.
Y'know, Steve, I can't disagree with that at all. Hell, sometimes I think legal age ought to be 30.
WA2ZDY
02-18-2006, 03:34 AM
Quote[/b] (KA3RFE @ Feb. 17 2006,20:44)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ Feb. 17 2006,16:39)]There, I deleted my original post. #Why there are "adult chaparones" for an 18 year old is beyond me. #Perhaps some kids were younger. #I assumed the girl was younger.
Anyhow, is the "slut" word appropriate or not?
Her prior sexual history, no matter what it is, has little to do with anything. Sluts have the right to justice too, mister, and if she was murdered, her attackers must be brought to justice and punished.
Go back to ignoring the story.
Absolutely correct. There is no such thing as "she asked for it." But there is also such a thing as "didn't use her head." It sounds as though she clearly did not. And one would hope other young folks would learn, but that's not the case.
Aruba's reputation has been sullied for the foreseeable future. From what I understand it's a fine fine place, and now the actions of a few are making the rest look bad.
But again, it sounds like this young lady allowed something, be it alcohol, sex, whatever, to interfere with the good judgement her friends and family claim she had.
And as for her parents having any control, legally no, they did not. But my impression has been since this case first hit the news that this young lady is/was a spoiled princess who in the eyes of her parents could do no wrong. And the parents maintain that image to this day. "Our daughter would NEVER do . . . " Yeah, uh huh, guess again.
Quote[/b] (al2i @ Feb. 16 2006,18:53)]Quote[/b] (KA3RFE @ Feb. 17 2006,17:44)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ Feb. 17 2006,16:39)]There, I deleted my original post. #Why there are "adult chaparones" for an 18 year old is beyond me. #Perhaps some kids were younger. #I assumed the girl was younger.
Anyhow, is the "slut" word appropriate or not?
Her prior sexual history, no matter what it is, has little to do with anything. Sluts have the right to justice too, mister, and if she was murdered, her attackers must be brought to justice and punished.
Go back to ignoring the story.
I was wondering if she went on to some other young man/men after being with the first group, not whether it was illegal to murder sluts.
It certainly isn’t legal here and is discouraged, except where and when they may be catapulted into the air in place of clay pigeons and used for skeet practice.
Quote[/b] (ku4my @ Feb. 18 2006,05:09)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ Feb. 16 2006,18:53)]Quote[/b] (KA3RFE @ Feb. 17 2006,17:44)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ Feb. 17 2006,16:39)]There, I deleted my original post. Why there are "adult chaparones" for an 18 year old is beyond me. Perhaps some kids were younger. I assumed the girl was younger.
Anyhow, is the "slut" word appropriate or not?
Her prior sexual history, no matter what it is, has little to do with anything. Sluts have the right to justice too, mister, and if she was murdered, her attackers must be brought to justice and punished.
Go back to ignoring the story.
I was wondering if she went on to some other young man/men after being with the first group, not whether it was illegal to murder sluts.
It certainly isn’t legal here and is discouraged, except where and when they may be catapulted into the air in place of clay pigeons and used for skeet practice.
That would explain some of the more bizarre sightings in the UFO thread.
ai4ep
02-18-2006, 04:07 PM
2 questions ( neither are real important )
1) chaparone ? was there one and why havent the parents raised heck with him/her ?
2) If the area of Aruba is so bad, so wild and so lousy...why would folks send their own children there ?
solution to the whole problem --- send CHENEY there with only one bullet...he will get answers real fast !! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
k6pme
02-18-2006, 04:38 PM
So the parents are going to sue a young man who might very well be completely innocent. By doing so they trying to "convict" him, whether by penal statute and civil court it amounts to the same thing.
Absurd foolishness.
WB2WIK
02-18-2006, 07:20 PM
Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Feb. 18 2006,09:07)]2 questions ( neither are real important )
#1) chaparone ? #was there one and why havent the parents raised heck with him/her ?
2) If the area of Aruba is so bad, so wild and so lousy...why would folks send their own children there ?
solution to the whole problem --- send CHENEY there with only one bullet...he will get answers real fast !! # # # #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
There were chaparones, but not one for each kid. And Natalee was 18, so she could legally tell her chaparone to go pound sand if she wanted to; she's already an adult. Maybe that did happen, and maybe we'll never know.
Aruba was never considered a bad or dangerous place. I've operated from there three times and it's a great DX location. Nice beaches, nice hotels, good snorkeling and diving. Kind of a fairly close by paradise. Crime happens everywhere. I was on the beach in Rio de Janeiro only five minutes when everything I laid down on my blanket got stolen, including the blanket, and I was never more than 50 feet away. Kids. They run very fast.
As for Cheney, I think it would be better to send him with some birdshot shells, he has experience shooting stuff with those. Don't know about bullets.
WB2WIK/6