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Did you ever want to participate in a International Space Station mission? Starting Friday, February 3rd, you may get your chance. An old, used Russian spacesuit has been transformed into a most unusual earth orbit satellite. Just add one Kenwood TH-K2AT handi-talkie transceiver, a battery pack, a sensor for temperature readings, a compact voice synthesizer and telemetry device and a small helmet-mounted antenna and you are good to go.
The modified spacesuit will be thrust out of the space station into orbit and will begin broadcasting voice messages and slow scan television on 145.990 MHz FM in the two-meter amateur band. The Kenwood HT produces 5 watts RF output. Discover the time of fly-by using NASA's fascinating J-Pass program available at: http://science.nasa.gov/RealTime/JPass/25/JPass.asp. Enter your Zip Code and you'll instantly know when the next show begins. Aim your Yagis toward the proper position in the sky! You may hear Suit Sat's 30-second message of greetings, followed by a burst of telemetry. Transmission of a slow scan TV picture ends the sequence.
Mission Specialists at NASA have especially encouraged schools to participate in listening for Suit Sat and reporting receptions to the project's website suitsat.org. Awards will be issued to groups that copy Suit Sat's message. Extra credit is given to those who can capture the slow scan TV picture!
For more information on Suit Sat, head for these web sites: http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/articles/SuitSat/ and http://www.suitsat.org/ You can see a press conference clip on the mission at: http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/information/videoNews.php By the way, I like a snug fit. Do you have anything in a 42 Regular in white?
73 de N2KZ Karl
KC0USQ
01-28-2006, 06:03 PM
I would really like to listen to the suit-sat, but it is around were i live at about 3am, so i probubly wont be up listining. The only thing that intrists me in it is that i am an owner of a Kenwood,th-k2at. And usually that thing isnt worth crap, so it would be fun to hear it.
# # # # # # # # # # #-Jim,kc0usq
This is a sad testament to both ham radio and NASA.
As if there isn't ENOUGH junk out there already.
n5kbp
01-28-2006, 08:18 PM
Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 28 2006,11:18)]This is a sad testament to both ham radio and NASA.
As if there isn't ENOUGH junk out there already.
If you took the time to read the article you would have read that it will reenter the atmosphere in about 6 weeks. Junk problem solved.
K1RFF
01-28-2006, 08:21 PM
What's with all the negative and childish comments? If a school is going to get involved with this guess who will be helping them? A ham of course, who else would have the equipment? Don't you think it will be pretty exciting for kids to receive signals from outer space? And maybe see an image? The school kids will get an opportunity to learn about things they would otherwise not be exposed to, such as understanding orbits, radio equipment, slow scan tv methods, etc etc.
And as far as space junk goes, it's orbit will soon decay and it will burn up in the atmosphere.
Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 28 2006,11:18)]This is a sad testament to both ham radio and NASA.
As if there isn't ENOUGH junk out there already.
Like BPL systems on HF and RFID tags on 70 cm.
Sorry, but someone had to say it.
Just try to get a perspective of where NASA has gone...and look at the expectations we've defined for our kids.
A Japanese transceiver, fabbed in Korea and China,attached to a Russian suit.
MacGuyverisms are fine, but this is just goofiness. Not even guerilla engineering....
Quote[/b] (N4QX @ Jan. 28 2006,13:22)]Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 28 2006,11:18)]This is a sad testament to both ham radio and NASA.
As if there isn't ENOUGH junk out there already.
Like BPL systems on HF and RFID tags on 70 cm.
Sorry, but someone had to say it.
Don't follow...what this has to do with ham radio and NASA is....
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Quote[/b] (K1RFF @ Jan. 28 2006,13:21)]What's with all the negative and childish comments? #If a school is going to get involved with this guess who will be helping them? #A ham of course, who else would have the equipment? #Don't you think it will be pretty exciting for kids to receive signals from outer space? #And maybe see an image? #The school kids will get an opportunity to learn about things they would otherwise not be exposed to, such as understanding orbits, radio equipment, slow scan tv methods, etc etc.
And as far as space junk goes, it's orbit will soon decay and it will burn up in the atmosphere.
C'mon OM; this isn't exactly NEW.
NA1SS has been operating for some time. A REAL American in REAL space. Not a Russian throw away junker with a Japanese transceiver.
Motivating kids is great. And here's an even BETTER idea: WHY NOT get those astronaut Technicians to UPGRADE to show the kids an enhanced PATH to further skills and learning?
ARE you aware that well over 90% of ham-astronauts never went beyond Tech class; most let their licenses expire after their 'truck riding' days; and almost none are radio-active except for the rides.
There's a message for the kids...:-(
W9GRN
01-28-2006, 11:36 PM
Should be exciting! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Thanks for the suggestion to read the article. I stand corrected on some key points.
I still don't get it: if you have the module, and so on, then why do you need the suit? It sure looks like the suit is some cancerous growth attached to the satellite/transciever module.
Why the suit?
Don't tell me it's the batteries...
kb3mse
01-29-2006, 01:48 AM
Quote[/b] (KC0USQ @ Jan. 28 2006,11:03)]I would really like to listen to the suit-sat, but it is around were i live at about 3am, so i probubly wont be up listining. The only thing that intrists me in it is that i am an owner of a Kenwood,th-k2at. And usually that thing isnt worth crap, so it would be fun to hear it.
-Jim,kc0usq
Check again. Depending on what site you looked on it may only have shown you VISABLE passes... which are useful for looking at the bright light of the satellite passing over. However, make sure you are getting ALL passes... (ie.. during hte day as well). Here in PA I have about 2 passed during the day.
kb3mse
01-29-2006, 01:51 AM
So which is it?
The Kenwood HT produces 5 watts RF output.
I read elsewhere it produces 0.5watts... Hrmm! Big difference. I mean it IS pretty much line of site... but it's also a pretty good distance.
Either way lots of fun...
I currently own an HT (VX-7R) with a rubber ducky omni. Can I pick it up with that (without using a directional) and if so what do I want to do? Just orient the antenna so it's pointing 90 degrees from where I expect the ISS/suit to be?
KC0TPI
01-29-2006, 01:58 AM
well now if jpass site would work maybe i could find out when to listen
It's funny, it seems everytime somebody wants to inform the radio community on QRZ there's always an argument on the topic. That's the 1 problem with radio, you get many people with many different views on things together the crap hits the fan. It's not just this thread, it's the vast majority. I can see why they say don't talk about religion on the radio, I mean theres an argument over stupid stuff on here regularly. If it ever changed to religion the debate would move mountains. I think it's pretty neat and thanks for the information N2KZ.
73 - Brian
kg4kww
01-29-2006, 02:24 AM
I will be listening for the signal.
Click Here For Info On Suit Sat (http://www.qrz.com/ib-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=7;t=112880;st=0)
Will someone explain the value to having a satellite like this last 2-4 days?
This I also don't get.
KC0TPI
01-29-2006, 06:46 AM
now that i got the jpass site to work all i need now is the sstv stuff that is if techs are allowed to veiw/transmit sstv? :0 and what all it take...
kb3mse
01-29-2006, 01:39 PM
Quote[/b] (KC0TPI @ Jan. 28 2006,23:46)]now that i got the jpass site to work all i need now is the sstv stuff that is if techs are allowed to veiw/transmit sstv? :0 and what all it take...
Of course techs are allowed to view SSTV http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif You are always allowed to "view" or "listen" to anything (well except Cell Signals). And yes, Techs can also transmit SSTV. But aside from that, get some software on your computer to decode SSTV.
Hopefully the signal will make it to earth.. I guess we'll find out!
Between the International Space Station, SuitSat and the Peter l DXpedition, my students are really enthusiastic about all aspects of Amateur Radio!
Thank You!
Phil Leonelli, WF6L
Teacher
Iowa Street School K- 8
ARRL "Big Project" Pilot School
http://iss.fuesd.k12.ca.us
AD5JN
01-29-2006, 02:53 PM
Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 28 2006,18:28)]Thanks for the suggestion to read the article. I stand corrected on some key points.
I still don't get it: if you have the module, and so on, then why do you need the suit? It sure looks like the suit is some cancerous growth attached to the satellite/transciever module.
Why the suit?
Don't tell me it's the batteries...
The suit provides some protection for the radios inside. If you tossed a radio with a battery in space, It would not last very long. The heat and cold of space will ruin the equipment in short order.
AD5JN
Why didn't they put the transmitter and battery into an old Chevy? Those things last a long time (you can find them on farms behind the barns) especially with the engine running and the heater on.
K2WH
w5jck
01-29-2006, 07:40 PM
Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 28 2006,18:28)]I still don't get it...
Hmmm, I suspect there are a lot of things you don't get. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
I explained this neat experiment to my 8 year old granddaughter and she came up with an interesting question:
"If some ET finds the spacesuit floating around, and they open it up, and find a little radio, will they think we (earthlings) are just little radios instead of people?"
hmmmmm
keep smiling!! and of course...73!
Mike KM1R
Quote[/b] (KE5FEM @ Jan. 29 2006,12:40)]Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 28 2006,18:28)]I still don't get it...
Hmmm, I suspect there are a lot of things you don't get. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
This is certainly true.
Here's a heady example.
The LTE temperature is probably 270K in sunlight and perhaps 50K in shadow. Therefore the huge swing in temperature is a valid concern--especially for the batteries.
However, what one really does is find ways of mitigating the heating rates and cooling rates so that the differential is a slowly varying function with a smaller extreme. In other words, the diurnal variation is far smaller.
I went into #MATLAB and modeled some heating and cooling functions. Based upon this, I still get a 150K+ variation in the un-controlled suit in the course of a 3 hour 'day'. This appears to exceed the battery norms.
Perhaps your better knowledge on this problem, Jack, can set this poor #Cornell Ph.D. astrophysicist straight? As far as I can tell, this is just on the verge of failing within a few hours.
Any help? I beg your personal insight and assistance.
73,
Chip N1IR
Quote[/b] (kc8vwm @ Jan. 29 2006,13:29)]One thing is for sure, we should be thankful that someone came up with this idea.
I mean, who was responsible for thinking of this whole concept of placing a kenwood HT inside a space suit and making an orbiting amateur radio satellite out of it?
Makes you wonder if we can deploy similar equipment in the future.
The HT is NOT inside the suit.
Apparently the batteries are inside. The suit is basically a leaky thermos bottle for the batteries, as far as I can see.
ke5eiy
01-29-2006, 11:15 PM
Quote[/b] ]However, what one really does is find ways of mitigating the heating rates and cooling rates so that the differential is a slowly varying function with a smaller extreme. In other words, the diurnal variation is far smaller.
I went into MATLAB and modeled some heating and cooling functions. Based upon this, I still get a 150K+ variation in the un-controlled suit in the course of a 3 hour 'day'. This appears to exceed the battery norms.
Perhaps your better knowledge on this problem, Jack, can set this poor Cornell Ph.D. astrophysicist straight? As far as I can tell, this is just on the verge of failing within a few hours.
Gee Chip ole' boy, you using MATLAB 6? Did you include the temp. gradiant for the material and the function of a delta T? Do you know the exact type of batteries used? How about rotation of the suit or if the orbit may be in darkness for long periods of time? A lot of variables to consider here old man. I'll send you a Heat and Thermo book to brush up a bit on some of the math if you like. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Nothing lasts forever.
Quote[/b] (ke5eiy @ Jan. 29 2006,16:15)]Quote[/b] ]However, what one really does is find ways of mitigating the heating rates and cooling rates so that the differential is a slowly varying function with a smaller extreme. In other words, the diurnal variation is far smaller.
I went into #MATLAB and modeled some heating and cooling functions. Based upon this, I still get a 150K+ variation in the un-controlled suit in the course of a 3 hour 'day'. This appears to exceed the battery norms.
Perhaps your better knowledge on this problem, Jack, #can set this poor #Cornell Ph.D. astrophysicist straight? As far as I can tell, this is just on the verge of failing within a few hours.
Gee Chip ole' boy, you using MATLAB 6? #Did you include the temp. gradiant for the material and the function of a delta T? #Do you know the exact type of batteries used? #How about rotation of the suit or if the orbit may be in darkness for long periods of time? #A lot of variables to consider here old man. #I'll send you a Heat and Thermo book to brush up a bit on some of the math if you like. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #
Nothing lasts forever.
In the absence of specific knowledge, one must go with guestimates and test for sensitivity.
Why would I possibly need a thermo book? I've got plenty, and I used to teach it.
Since this was an OTS project, I suspect the probability for failure within 24 hours is high, based on the temperature differential. However, as you point out, the uncertainty places some fairly generous error bars.
My point: you cannot exclude a failure in the first day.
I will be fascinated to see which side of the 2 to 4 days it survives, based on the published guestimates..
Still waiting for Jack (Cedurn) to fill me in....
aa1mn
01-30-2006, 01:26 AM
Quote[/b] ]This is a sad testament to both ham radio and NASA.
As if there isn't ENOUGH junk out there already.
My sentiments exactly.
When NASA gets to pulling stunts like this off, especially when related to another failed attempt at space exploration like ISS has turned out to be, it makes me wonder if our tax dollars wouldn't be better spent by pulling the plug on NASA altogether.
Is this the height of science that is being performed on ISS? Of course, it just might be ...
Chuck, AA1MN
KC0TPI
01-30-2006, 01:41 AM
Quote[/b] (kb3mse @ Jan. 29 2006,06:39)]Quote[/b] (KC0TPI @ Jan. 28 2006,23:46)]now that i got the jpass site to work all i need now is the sstv stuff that is if techs are allowed to veiw/transmit sstv? :0 #and what all it take...
Of course techs are allowed to view SSTV http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif #You are always allowed to "view" or "listen" to anything (well except Cell Signals). # #And yes, Techs can also transmit SSTV. #But aside from that, get some software on your computer to decode SSTV.
Hopefully the signal will make it to earth.. I guess we'll find out!
got any suggestions as for a program and where to get it? im running windows 98 and i think something new like this should keep my busy lol http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
W1LWT
01-30-2006, 01:57 AM
this is so neat for all .dont spread negative comments come on its great it something for all.
KEEP it up great happenings for NASA and kids and all HAMS in all places in the world and all ages.
THUMBS Up:) ;)
n5vho
01-30-2006, 03:12 AM
You guys are really funny. Especially with the misinformation...if you read the article on the AMSAT website ( AMSAT (http://www.amsat.org)), you will find that the radio IS inside the suit and that this is a Russian project and not a NASA project.
Best of luck with the experiment!
Quote[/b] (kc8vwm @ Jan. 29 2006,21:46)]I suspect there will always be some people that refuse to understand what this experimentation process is supposed to be all about.
Some would rather sit in their armchairs and spew off misinformed comments with the intelligence factor of Archie Bunker, (probably an ex CB'er mentality) rather than understand the scientific basis and value of conducting such analytical scientific NASA experiments.
BTW The radio is located "inside" the spacesuit. It would last approx. 5 minutes otherwise. I can't believe someone would even suggest the radio could possibly be operational otherwise?
Also, this experiment is not a waste of tax dollars. Similarly, crash testing is not a waste of tax dollars.
Get informed. Try and stick to the facts of the analysis. Make comments only if you have an education. Otherwise, some of the comments appear like they are coming from primary school dropouts.
Thank you.
Information helps.
Attitude does not.
And, FYI an 'analytical experiment' is an oxymoron. It is either 'analytical' or an 'experiment'.
The probability of failure on this is very high. That is an informed scientific opinion.
I do have valid questions about the validity #and worthiness of this enterprise--beyond the stunt value.
To say that NASA is not involved is fatuous: American money and time was spent on this #and is being spent on this. And I don't mean AMSAT.
Our young people need better inspiration than so-called SuitSat. They need bright people taking risks and managing them. They need robots that do more than take pictures of Mars' surface (which we did first in 1976, thirty years ago)
They need astronauts that use ham radio beyond part of their truck riding job; astronauts that UPGRADE their LICENCES to show a PATH to young people on continued development of telecom SKILLS and knowledge.
They need more than Suitsat.
And if you look at the arrangements so shown, the HT is in a box that attaches at the top of the helmet. If this is wrong, then please blame those who present the information--not those who use it.
Thank you.
kb3mse
01-30-2006, 01:09 PM
Quote[/b] (KC0TPI @ Jan. 29 2006,18:41)]Quote[/b] (kb3mse @ Jan. 29 2006,06:39)]Quote[/b] (KC0TPI @ Jan. 28 2006,23:46)]now that i got the jpass site to work all i need now is the sstv stuff that is if techs are allowed to veiw/transmit sstv? :0 and what all it take...
Of course techs are allowed to view SSTV http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif You are always allowed to "view" or "listen" to anything (well except Cell Signals). And yes, Techs can also transmit SSTV. But aside from that, get some software on your computer to decode SSTV.
Hopefully the signal will make it to earth.. I guess we'll find out!
got any suggestions as for a program and where to get it? im running windows 98 and i think something new like this should keep my busy lol http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Try google:)
http://www.kent.net/ve3rdn/software.html
Should just be able to dump the audio from your HT/Mobile/Recorder to the input on your computer.
aa1mn
01-30-2006, 01:14 PM
Quote[/b] ]You guys are really funny. Especially with the misinformation...if you read the article on the AMSAT website ( AMSAT), you will find that the radio IS inside the suit and that this is a Russian project and not a NASA project.
[B]Could it be YOU who needs more information?
Or perhaps you already knew that the Russian Federal Space Agency is one of the five agencies that is part of the joint project for ISS?
Chuck, AA1MN[QUOTE]
Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 28 2006,15:16)]Perhaps your better knowledge on this problem, Jack, #can set this poor #Cornell Ph.D. astrophysicist straight? As far as I can tell, this is just on the verge of failing within a few hours.
Any help? I beg your personal insight and assistance.
73,
Chip N1IR
Boy!!!
I'm certainly impressed.
I can't remember where I read it, but it was my impression that this was a way of getting rid of some of their junk.
The suit was going to be discarded and allowed to burn up upon reentry and someone had the idea of putting a radio and other experiments into it for the ride.
Eric
N9SX
kb4rsm
01-30-2006, 05:55 PM
Yes. When I watched the NASA video feed about this, they said that it is normal for the Russians to simply throw their old space suits out of the station (to be burned up). #The suit’s already going, why not let the radio go along for the ride…
-Glen
Quote[/b] (kb4rsm @ Jan. 30 2006,10:55)]Yes. When I watched the NASA video feed about this, they said that it is normal for the Russians to simply throw their old space suits out of the station (to be burned up). #The suit’s already going, why not let the radio go along for the ride…
-Glen
Tnx. Glen for clarifying this...after all of the highly verbose pontificating on this subject by other know-it-alls, I was just waiting for someone to point out the obvious...that this is an experiment with space junk that was going to be burned up in the atmosphere anyway.
Shame on anyone trying to rain on this parade. #As men of science, there's absolutely no need for this kind of thinking. #I believe it's a wonderful "just-for-the-hell-of-it" experiment to get young ones involved in space exploration and ham radio. #Doesn't matter if it has much merit, we taxpayers have spent millions (nay, billions) of dollars on pork-barrel projects. #If some of you guys are so concerned with govt. waste, why don't you spend more time addressing those issues and let the scientists at least try to do something interesting with their funding. $2 million ain't nothing compared to what we spent on the Alaskian "Bridge to Know-Where" project...
I guess my question to you would be "Is this a hill you want to die on?" #Because I can easily point to many other govt. waste programs not related to NASA or space exploration.
Regarding the comments on why other astronaut hams haven't upgraded...well duh, because there's no NEED for them to do it. #Just about everything they do is in the VHF/UHF band, so why would they need (much less care) to upgrade? #The fact is there are some folks that don't really want to move on to the wonders of HF radio and skywave DX...why do we have to compare a ham operator,s dedication to the hobby by what class license they have? #Didn't we fight a revolutionary war against this kind of elitist behavior?
One simple question: why not the best?
Why shouldn't ham astronauts show a path to enhancing skills? They are role models.
Why not the best?
Why should kids think that space technology is 'duAL USING' discarded space suits?
Why not the best?
Why shouldn't we question the best use of money for space?
Why NOT the best?
Quote[/b] (N5UV @ Jan. 30 2006,11:43)]Regarding the comments on why other astronaut hams haven't upgraded...well duh, because there's no NEED for them to do it. #Just about everything they do is in the VHF/UHF band, so why would they need (much less care) to upgrade? #The fact is there are some folks that don't really want to move on to the wonders of HF radio and skywave DX...why do we have to compare a ham operator,s dedication to the hobby by what class license they have? #Didn't we fight a revolutionary war against this kind of elitist behavior?
The reason (MS) astronauts are forced--and I said forced--to become hams is that it acts as a role model 'outreach'.
In other words, MS astronauts are not voluntary hams. Essentially, for them, getting a Tech is a condition for flight.
Astronaut hams upgrade their ham licenses at a rate far lower than the general ham population. Which is expected if you are not voluntarily pursuing the amateur radio service.
But I find this all but hardly sincere: if you want to inspire kids, then show them that they too, have a path to learning something that stretches them and makes them strive to something beyond their numerical age. Encourage them to keep on the learning curve.
In a word: UPGRADE. LEARN.
31 Jan inclusion--here's is a quote from a new CNN story that mirrors my concerns on the roles we set and what we wish to teach in and by student outreach--
"They argue that, just as a stronger focus on math helped the United States top the Soviet Sputnik launch by putting a man on the moon, the country needs to improve math education to win an economic race with China and India and a national security race against terrorism"
This isn't about VHF privileges--it's about sincerity of motivation.
When was the last time you heard that a ham-astronaut had upgraded beyond the minimum that they were forced to do by NASA? And when was the last time you heard a recent MS astronaut ON THE AIR when not flying??
I think that students will be much more inspired by the fact they are talking to an astronaut than a Amateur Radio Operator.
I really doubt the students care if the astronaut has a Tech ticket or an Extra.
Eric
N9SX
kb3mse
01-30-2006, 07:35 PM
Is there some way to know when this thing is actually thrown out? I've seen all kinds of things thrown around, no pun intended, and figure I should be able to hear it February 4th here in Pennsylvania, but it would be nice to know when it actually goes zip.
At this point, I wish the mission well and have articulated my concerns. I will wait and see what happens. And hope to pass along congrats --if it works.
73,
Chip N1IR
n5sdh
01-30-2006, 08:50 PM
I think it's cool and I would love to hear it and hopefully have some of my friends and family around to hear it with me just so I could tell them what was going on. I don't care about the political stuff as it doesn't matter to me. I try to enjoy life and not worry about the things that cannot be changed. The suit will be ejected whether we like or not so if you don't want to hear it then don't listen for it otherwise leave it be for others to enjoy.
Anyway, have a good one.
n5vho
01-30-2006, 09:39 PM
Quote[/b] (kb3mse @ Jan. 30 2006,12:35)]Is there some way to know when this thing is actually thrown out? #I've seen all kinds of things thrown around, no pun intended, and figure I should be able to hear it February 4th here in Pennsylvania, but it would be nice to know when it actually goes zip.
The EVA is scheduled to start at 2220 UTC on Feb 3. SuitSat is the first item on the activity list so it should be deployed within an hour and a half after hatch opening.
KK6BS
01-30-2006, 11:14 PM
Does this mean I can get on and call "CQ SS CQ SS CQ SS?" (Suit Sat) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
73 and good luck in the contest!
JoJo, KK6BS
Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 30 2006,11:51)]One simple question: why not the best?
Why shouldn't ham astronauts show a path to enhancing skills? They are role models.
Why not the best?
Why should kids think that space technology is 'duAL USING' discarded space suits?
Why not the best?
Why shouldn't we question the best use of money for space?
Why NOT the best?
"Why not the best?"...that's a nice little speech, I'm sure Winston Churchill would have loved that...but lets come back to reality...
If the astronauts do not USE any of the priveleges outside of the Technician class, then what's the point in upgrading? #Particularly if they are forced to get their licenses? #I do not equate Excellence in Science with the class level of your ham license. #Upgrade if you feel like, dude, don't do it just for the greater good of science.
Astronauts have a job to do, and it's a blessing that we get to have such frequent and widely available contact between the public and our space program thru publicity "stunts" such as this. #Did NASA even try to do anything like this 30 to 40 years ago? #
I agree, why not the best indeed...but excellence in science is a 2-way street. #Rather than finding faults and being critics, why not at least appreciate this event for what it is...a nice little experiment with disposable space junk that would have just burned up anyway.
And if you are that concerned about our youth not learning enough math, please volunteer your time and mentor some teenagers...I can think of many public schools in Texas that would appreciate the help.
Quote[/b] (N5UV @ Jan. 31 2006,09:35)]Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 30 2006,11:51)]One simple question: why not the best?
Why shouldn't ham astronauts show a path to enhancing skills? They are role models.
Why not the best?
Why should kids think that space technology is 'duAL USING' discarded space suits?
Why not the best?
Why shouldn't we question the best use of money for space?
Why NOT the best?
"Why not the best?"...that's a nice little speech, I'm sure Winston Churchill would have loved that...but lets come back to reality...
If the astronauts do not USE any of the priveleges outside of the Technician class, then what's the point in upgrading? #Particularly if they are forced to get their licenses? #I do not equate Excellence in Science with the class level of your ham license. #Upgrade if you feel like, dude, don't do it just for the greater good of science.
Astronauts have a job to do, and it's a blessing that we get to have such frequent and widely available contact between the public and our space program thru publicity "stunts" such as this. #Did NASA even try to do anything like this 30 to 40 years ago? #
I agree, why not the best indeed...but excellence in science is a 2-way street. #Rather than finding faults and being critics, why not at least appreciate this event for what it is...a nice little experiment with disposable space junk that would have just burned up anyway.
And if you are that concerned about our youth not learning enough math, please volunteer your time and mentor some teenagers...I can think of many public schools in Texas that would appreciate the help.
Not Winston Churchill. Jimmy Carter.
Go read Part 97.
It provides, in the mission statement, more than sufficient reason to consider upgrading.
Frankly, a few years ago, no one would be having this conversation: instead, we would hear whining about what a difficult #effort it was to pursue.
If you want to have a job which uses ham radio as an example for young people, then implement the mission of Part 97.
Provide a pool of those skilled. Give them a path to learn and build confidence. Don't stop on the middle ground.
Are you asking if Technicians should upgrade? YES. Build a knowledge base. Enhance your abilities. Demonstrate that accomplishment via upgrade.
Who cares if you don't want HF? That's a 'hobbyist' response.
Amateur radio, as defined in Part 97, is not a hobby.
If the objective was merely to 'expose' young people to telecom, then use 2.4 GHz unlicensed ISM. Not the amateur radio service.
And keep the hobby issue--which is your point--out of the mix.
Finally, you have no idea who I am and what I do. So don't makes silly statements about volunteering in Texas schools.
73,
Chip N1IR
N9JAB
01-31-2006, 08:33 PM
Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 28 2006,15:52)]Quote[/b] (K1RFF @ Jan. 28 2006,13:21)]What's with all the negative and childish comments? If a school is going to get involved with this guess who will be helping them?
C'mon OM; this isn't exactly NEW.
NA1SS has been operating for some time. A REAL American in REAL space. Not a Russian throw away junker with a Japanese transceiver.
:-(
The message being transmitted is the voices of several kids from around the world. Who cares where the suit came from or who made to transmitter. Does that have any effect on the kids who will hear it?
And so what if the astronauts aren't active when they get back on the ground... would you rather there be no one to talk to up there. Do you put down other people who have different hobbies and interests than you?
kb9lbc
01-31-2006, 08:38 PM
Has it occured to anyone that the suit might have been slated for disposal ANYWAY? It looks kinda worn. And it's not like they're putting a brand new 706 or a TS-2000 in the darn thing. They're basically setting up a temporary beacon.
They're gonna lose ONE little HT. Geez... It's not worth squabbling over. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif
kb2wye
01-31-2006, 08:44 PM
heads up when it comes down:p
Quote[/b] (N9JAB @ Jan. 31 2006,13:33)]Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 28 2006,15:52)]Quote[/b] (K1RFF @ Jan. 28 2006,13:21)]What's with all the negative and childish comments? #If a school is going to get involved with this guess who will be helping them? #
C'mon OM; this isn't exactly NEW.
NA1SS has been operating for some time. A REAL American in REAL space. Not a Russian throw away junker with a Japanese transceiver.
:-(
The message being transmitted is the voices of several kids from around the world. #Who cares where the suit came from or who made to transmitter. #Does that have any effect on the kids who will hear it?
And so what if the astronauts aren't active when they get back on the ground... would you rather there be no one to talk to up there. #Do you put down other people who have different hobbies and interests than you?
It matters if NASA is trying to motivate American children.
I do hope you appreciate that as an American, that is where my first interest lies. I appreciate that (as an opposing point) some view this as one big global economy. My opinion is that economy begins with bright minds stateside.
I am not alone in this opinion.
73,
Chip N1IR
Quote[/b] (N9JAB @ Jan. 31 2006,13:33)]And so what if the astronauts aren't active when they get back on the ground... would you rather there be no one to talk to up there. #Do you put down other people who have different hobbies and interests than you?
You should think carefully about this first sentence.
If you collect garbage then I will most certainly correct you on it. Otherwise, I am, at worst, indifferent to other hobbies.
What hobby are YOU talking about?
I am talking about the amateur radio SERVICE.
Take off the hobby cap.
Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 31 2006,09:48)][quote=N5UV,Jan. 31 2006,09:35][quote=n1ir,Jan. 30 2006,11:51]
If you want to have a job which uses ham radio as an example for young people, then implement the mission of Part 97.
Provide a pool of those skilled. Give them a path to learn and build confidence. Don't stop on the middle ground.
Are you asking if Technicians should upgrade? YES. Build a knowledge base. Enhance your abilities. Demonstrate that accomplishment via upgrade.
Isn't this experiment contributing to the amateur radio service, per 97.1, parts A-E? #I still say some folks are poo-pooing this event when they should at least embrace the effort, right or wrong, regardless of whether it works or not.
I don't see anything in Part 97.1 that sez one HAS to upgrade their license to advance the cause of the amateur radio service. #It's a choice for every ham as to HOW they advance the service...or at what pace they do it. #And if they quit the service, so be it...happens all the time. #But I've seen many of them eventually come back to the amateur radio service after being inactive for several years. By your rigorous interpretation of Part 97, then amateur radio should be the end-all-be-all for anyone carrying that license....when I sez that ain't the case for all 500,000+ hams in this country.
And as for volunteering your time to mentor the young and enhance their knowledge of science...I wasn't literally suggesting you come down here, I'm sure there's plenty of schools in your local area that would like your assistance. #I'm just saying when I was in school, we had a lot of retired college educators, lab techs, and "men of science" serve as substitute teachers. #They were, in fact, the best educators we had. #Had it not been for those folks, my interest in amateur radio would never have even been tweaked in the least. Don't know if you have the luxury of imparting your knowledge of science to the youth of our nation (hell, I don't have time either, not any more at any rate). But I always say, if you want to change the world, then make a difference in your local community.
M5AKA
02-01-2006, 08:19 AM
A special Commemorative SuitSat QSL Certificate will be available to those sending in reports of SuitSat signal on 145.990 MHz FM. Suitsat is due for launch Friday 3rd Feb at 22:20 UTC and will only transmit for a few days.
For further details see
http://www.southgatearc.org/news....ate.htm (http://www.southgatearc.org/news/february2006/suitsat_qsl_certificate.htm)
SpaceWeather.com is providing an alert service to let you know when SuitSat is within range, see
http://www.southgatearc.org/news/february2006/spaceweather_alerts.htm
A Slow Scan TV decoding programme to display the SSTV picture that will be transmitted by SuitSat can be downloaded from
http://mmhamsoft.ham-radio.ch/mmsstv/
Further information on SuitSat can be found at
http://www.southgatearc.org/news/index.htm
To find out when you can hear SuitSat use the AMSAT Online Satellite Pass Predictions page. Suitsat will be in the same orbit as the International Space Station so select ISS
http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/tools/predict/
AMSAT-UK produce a quarterly newsletter "Oscar News" which is full of Amateur Satellite information. For membership details contact the secretary Jim Heck G3WGM
Tel: +44 (0)1258 453959
E-mail: g3wgm@amsat.org
Website: http://www.uk.amsat.org/
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Quote[/b] (N5UV @ Jan. 31 2006,15:41)]Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 31 2006,09:48)][quote=N5UV,Jan. 31 2006,09:35][quote=n1ir,Jan. 30 2006,11:51]
If you want to have a job which uses ham radio as an example for young people, then implement the mission of Part 97.
Provide a pool of those skilled. Give them a path to learn and build confidence. Don't stop on the middle ground.
Are you asking if Technicians should upgrade? YES. Build a knowledge base. Enhance your abilities. Demonstrate that accomplishment via upgrade.
Isn't this experiment contributing to the amateur radio service, per 97.1, parts A-E? #I still say some folks are poo-pooing this event when they should at least embrace the effort, right or wrong, regardless of whether it works or not.
I don't see anything in Part 97.1 that sez one HAS to upgrade their license to advance the cause of the amateur radio service. #It's a choice for every ham as to HOW they advance the service...or at what pace they do it. #And if they quit the service, so be it...happens all the time. #But I've seen many of them eventually come back to the amateur radio service after being inactive for several years. #By your rigorous interpretation of Part 97, then amateur radio should be the end-all-be-all for anyone carrying that license....when I sez that ain't the case for all 500,000+ hams in this country.
And as for volunteering your time to mentor the young and enhance their knowledge of science...I wasn't literally suggesting you come down here, I'm sure there's plenty of schools in your local area that would like your assistance. #I'm just saying when I was in school, we had a lot of retired college educators, lab techs, and "men of science" serve as substitute teachers. #They were, in fact, the best educators we had. #Had it not been for those folks, my interest in amateur radio would never have even been tweaked in the least. #Don't know if you have the luxury of imparting your knowledge of science to the youth of our nation (hell, I don't have time either, not any more at any rate). #But I always say, if you want to change the world, then make a difference in your local community.
I think your point of view here is valid, although I disagree.
As a scientist, I am interested to see what the objective is--but this will only be important when the 'experiemnt' works.
So I'm happy to wait.
Certainly; enjoy it if you wish.
Mentoring is very important and we agree heartily on this.
73,
Chip N1IR
wa8mea
02-01-2006, 02:33 PM
I have to agree that this is a wonderful opportunity to show young students the fun of ham radio.
If this project turns out to be a success at my home QTH, I plan on packing up the rig and a small yagi and taking it to my children's school Monday or Tuesday so they can hear the "space suit" transmissions.
How many remember China's first satellite in the early 70's? Seems it transmitted their national anthem on a frequency near 21 Mhz. I was able to hear them on my old Allied Knight-kit Star Roamer my dad built for me.
73, Bill - WA8MEA
http://HamRadioFun.com
Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 31 2006,14:09)]Quote[/b] (N9JAB @ Jan. 31 2006,13:33)]Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 28 2006,15:52)]Quote[/b] (K1RFF @ Jan. 28 2006,13:21)]What's with all the negative and childish comments? #If a school is going to get involved with this guess who will be helping them? #
C'mon OM; this isn't exactly NEW.
NA1SS has been operating for some time. A REAL American in REAL space. Not a Russian throw away junker with a Japanese transceiver.
:-(
The message being transmitted is the voices of several kids from around the world. #Who cares where the suit came from or who made to transmitter. #Does that have any effect on the kids who will hear it?
And so what if the astronauts aren't active when they get back on the ground... would you rather there be no one to talk to up there. #Do you put down other people who have different hobbies and interests than you?
It matters if NASA is trying to motivate American children.
I do hope you appreciate that as an American, that is where my first interest lies. I appreciate that (as an opposing point) some view this as one big global economy. My opinion is that economy begins with bright minds stateside.
I am not alone in this opinion.
73,
Chip N1IR
..and if you saw the State of the Union address last night, you would see who else shares these opinions.
73,
Chip N1IR
".and if you saw the State of the Union address last night, you would see who else shares these opinions."
Chippy, was that you I saw sitting next to Hitlery?
(Edited for spelling)
W0LPQ
02-01-2006, 05:31 PM
Chicom-1 theme song was "The East is Red" and was played obviously by a loop tape that had a glitch at the end. Lots of warble. Had recordings of it until a couple of years ago.
We could go back to Sputnik and listen on 20Mhz..! I know that I did..
Reports are the suit is an old outdated one that had been slated for disposal anyway. What is the problem with doing it this way? None.
Bill, W0LPQ
KC0UAV
02-01-2006, 11:27 PM
Hay im a kid and i have my lissens and i have been trying to convinse my electronics techer to let use lisiton to it.In hopes of recruting a few of them but all i have is a hand held and i dont know what time it is pasing over my area:( .
I heard they are repeating the Suitsat via the IIS on 440mhz at 10W, does anyone know the exact frequency?
N2MMM
02-02-2006, 01:47 PM
Operations like this are just the thing the space program needs. Finding ways to get more bang for the buck will allow for more opportunities for Amateur operation from space. I Like it and will be following the Suit Sat story closely. America just needs to dump the Shuttle (30 year old technology) and build a new interplanetary capable vehicle as well as a capsule based dump truck to access the ISS.
kb3mse
02-02-2006, 09:12 PM
Quote[/b] (kc8vwm @ Feb. 01 2006,22:06)]the ISS onboard station NA1SS will relay SuitSat-1 signals on 437.800 MHz FM.
Are we 100% sure about this? I've heard they were thinking about it.. but not that they decided to do it.
zl3pg
02-02-2006, 10:36 PM
who cares. why can't we just listen in and enjoy some fun, after all isn't this what the hobby is all about, having fun with communications?::
M5AKA
02-03-2006, 12:19 AM
A reminder that SuitSat will be launched at 22:20 UTC today. It will transmit on 145.990 MHz FM and a special QSL is available for reports, see
http://www.southgatearc.org/news....ate.htm (http://www.southgatearc.org/news/february2006/suitsat_qsl_certificate.htm)
The latest information and pass predictions can be seen at
http://www.southgatearc.org/news/index.htm
The launch will be broadcast live at
http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/
73 Trevor M5AKA
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k7nys
02-03-2006, 03:11 AM
Quote[/b] (n5kbp @ Jan. 28 2006,13:18)]Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 28 2006,11:18)]This is a sad testament to both ham radio and NASA.
As if there isn't ENOUGH junk out there already.
If you took the time to read the article you would have read that it will reenter the atmosphere in about 6 weeks. Junk problem solved.
If it doesn't completely burn up upon reentry, I wonder if it will end up on Ebay?
K2HAL
02-03-2006, 05:04 AM
Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 28 2006,17:52)]C'mon OM; this isn't exactly NEW.
NA1SS has been operating for some time. A REAL American in REAL space. Not a Russian throw away junker with a Japanese transceiver.
Motivating kids is great. And here's an even BETTER idea: WHY NOT get those astronaut Technicians to UPGRADE to show the kids an enhanced PATH to further skills and learning?
ARE you aware that well over 90% of ham-astronauts never went beyond Tech class; most let their licenses expire after their 'truck riding' days; and almost none are radio-active except for the rides.
There's a message for the kids...:-(
A lot of new discoveries and inventions have been made by someone just goofing around so to speak. Who knows what this could spark. Most kids don't care about license class in the interest stage, if they get into it because they heard an Astronaut then great, it is their own intrest that will drive them to advance.
Quote[/b] (K2HAL @ Feb. 02 2006,22:04)]Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 28 2006,17:52)]C'mon OM; this isn't exactly NEW.
NA1SS has been operating for some time. A REAL American in REAL space. Not a Russian throw away junker with a Japanese transceiver.
Motivating kids is great. And here's an even BETTER idea: WHY NOT get those astronaut Technicians to UPGRADE to show the kids an enhanced PATH to further skills and learning?
ARE you aware that well over 90% of ham-astronauts never went beyond Tech class; most let their licenses expire after their 'truck riding' days; and almost none are radio-active except for the rides.
There's a message for the kids...:-(
A lot of new discoveries and inventions have been made by someone just goofing around so to speak. Who knows what this could spark. Most kids don't care about license class #in the interest stage, if they get into it because they heard an Astronaut then great, it is their own intrest that will drive them to advance.
Been there done that.
The issues are of second-order to this premise.
But a role model is a role model. Why NOT the best??
KC0TPI
02-03-2006, 10:10 AM
Quote[/b] (kc8vwm @ Jan. 29 2006,21:46)]I suspect there will always be some people that refuse to understand what this experimentation process is supposed to be all about.
Some would rather sit in their armchairs and spew off misinformed comments with the intelligence factor of Archie Bunker, (probably an ex CB'er mentality) rather than understand the scientific basis and value of conducting such analytical scientific NASA experiments.
BTW The radio is located "inside" the spacesuit. It would last approx. 5 minutes otherwise. I can't believe someone would even suggest the radio could possibly be operational otherwise?
Also, this experiment is not a waste of tax dollars. Similarly, crash testing is not a waste of tax dollars.
Get informed. Try and stick to the facts of the analysis. Make comments only if you have an education. Otherwise, some of the comments appear like they are coming from primary school dropouts.
Thank you.
watch the CB'er talk i am still one and proud to say that's where i got my start before coming to HAM as well as many others and not all HAM are polite i heard hams act like CB'ers and they been hams for a long time http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
ke4pjw
02-03-2006, 02:34 PM
As I understand it, they are going to defenestrate the suit at 4PM CST today. Is that correct?
I think my dad will get a kick out of it.
WA6MHZ
02-03-2006, 02:37 PM
With all the bellyaching about the purpose for this mission, I would expect these same people to have said our missions to the MOON were ONLY so we could plant an American Flag there before the "Ruskies" did it. Oh, and to pay for it, we collected some Moon Rocks and dust to put on Ebay!
Hey guys, the story made it to Yahoo News!!! #Man, this is exciting, I just might build my own 2 meter beam to try and receive this for fun!
You know what, even if the experiment is a complete failure, the fact that they attempted the experiment AND it brought ham radio more public exposure is a victory in itself!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060203/ap_on_sc/space_station
CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. - Here on Earth we get rid of our old clothes by dropping them off at the Salvation Army. But what do astronauts at the international space station do?
Friday, they will stuff an old spacesuit with discarded clothes and a radio transmitter and toss it out the door. Complete with helmet and gloves, off it should float like a lost soul in space.
The transmitter will send recorded messages in six languages to amateur radio operators — known as hams — before eventually re-entering Earth's atmosphere and burning up.
The stunt will precede a six-hour spacewalk by Russian flight engineer Valery Tokarev and U.S. commander Bill McArthur to perform maintenance and photography tasks.
The project, known as SuitSat-1, was the brainchild of a Russian ham radio operator. It will send several words in code for schoolchildren listening on the ground. Radio operators will be able to pick up the messages by tuning into FM frequency 145.990 MHz.
Along with the radio transmitter, it also will have internal sensors to monitor temperature and battery power. As the empty suit floats along, it will transmit its telemetry — temperature, battery power and time it has been in space — to the ground.
On a NASA Web site, students and others can track the spacesuit's location. The suit is expected to pass once or twice a day in the U.S., between midnight and 4 a.m., according to NASA.
"We expect the ham radio operators on the ground to be able to receive the suit signal for several days," said Kwatsi Alibaruho, flight director for the spacewalk at NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston.
(more story on Yahoo!)
kb1htw
02-03-2006, 06:16 PM
I thought someone would have done a better job explaining the rationale for dumping a used space suit, so here it is:
Remember that the service "truck" for the ISS, the space shuttle, isn't flying at this time. Remember that little accident a couple of years ago? And the Russion Progress spacecraft isn't exactly as roomy as the shuttle when it comes to transferring equipment to and from the ISS.
It makes more sense economically, better for mission safety and for efficiency, that large disposable items don't take up valuable cargo space on the Progress that could otherwise be used for returning experiments and such to Earth. It's better to eject them from the ISS into a decaying orbit so that it burns up in the atmosphere a few days or weeks later.
Plus it gives NORAD/Northern Command another target to track to hone their skills at detecting a small space-based weapon that virtually no one has the economic resources to deploy ;-)
If you're so pissed at NASA for wasting resources, why don't you get off your collective butts and write - no, VISIT - your congressman and convince him/her that you yourself have the answer? Otherwise, let the rest of us celebrate this all too infrequent boost to the visibility of our hobby.
Jon - KB1HTW
kd0jbn
02-03-2006, 06:39 PM
Just saw it on CNN.COM (http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/space/02/02/recycled.spacesuit.reut/index.html).
73
Don - KDŘJBN
That is something! It really did make it to CNN. Here's the =entire= link.
http://www.cnn.com/2006....ex.html (http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/space/02/02/recycled.spacesuit.reut/index.html)
BTW , you can track SuitSat's progress here:
http://www.n2yo.com/
KD8CPP
02-03-2006, 09:17 PM
WOW!
At my school on Monday I am bringing my radio equipment and we are going to listen!
I am very excited to hear this, and 1hr 3 mins to release!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
KC2ESD
02-03-2006, 10:06 PM
T- 20 Minutes and counting. Pushing Major Tom out the Hatch (Suitsat) KC2ESD Listening 145.990Mhz at 04:00 Feb 4th.
BTW The First Friday Simplex Net is tonight Friday 3rd at 19:30Hrs EST. If you are near the Atlantic City Area check in.
The Frequency is 146.580Mhz.
Rick KC2ESD Net Control.
wb9aza
02-03-2006, 10:09 PM
Great Idea for the kids in school. To bad KC0usq cant spell and what a heck of a vhf shack. I wonder who should be in school ..:laugh:
KC0UTE
02-03-2006, 11:55 PM
Hey Thats pretty cool...I cant get the link to open tho..I'd love to know when or if it will pass over My location...Thanks for the info!
KCŘUTE
N0CTO
02-04-2006, 12:40 AM
Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 31 2006,14:12)]Quote[/b] (N9JAB @ Jan. 31 2006,13:33)]And so what if the astronauts aren't active when they get back on the ground... would you rather there be no one to talk to up there. Do you put down other people who have different hobbies and interests than you?
You should think carefully about this first sentence.
If you collect garbage then I will most certainly correct you on it. Otherwise, I am, at worst, indifferent to other hobbies.
What hobby are YOU talking about?
I am talking about the amateur radio SERVICE.
Take off the hobby cap.
No, I would suggest you take off the "Service Cap" Why? Because it a HOBBY! Do you get paid for it? No? That makes it a hobby.
I helped run a Navy MARS station for three years. That was a military duty. The amateur radio part our our "club" was just that. Our ARES service was a vital part during and after Hurricane Ivan in Pensacola but guess what? We didn't get paid. We volunteered. No pay. We did it because we wanted to.
ARES and others that volunteer during are wonderful people but don't make it out to be more than it is. Call it what you want but a hobby is a hobby is a hobby no matter how serious you take it.
W0LPQ
02-04-2006, 12:56 AM
CTO the FCC calls it the Amateur Radio Service...!
Bill, W0LPQ
K9RNC
02-04-2006, 01:32 AM
Sounds like to me some of you wern't breast feed as a baby.
kf6myv
02-04-2006, 02:20 AM
So when will we hear it. Dont get that Jpass thing. Got to many kids tugn on me to figure out right now http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
Quote[/b] (km1r @ Jan. 29 2006,13:02)]I explained this neat experiment to my 8 year old granddaughter and she came up with an interesting question:
"If some ET finds the spacesuit floating around, and they open it up, and find a little radio, will they think we (earthlings) are just little radios instead of people?"
hmmmmm
keep smiling!! and of course...73!
Mike KM1R
Heh heh, thats great...kids are hilarious. but it IS a valid question.
And yes, i WILL keep smiling...its good for the health. :-)
I will be listening...i hope i can stay awake long enough.
73...N7YA
KC2ESD
02-04-2006, 04:44 AM
Suitsat is a Dead Stick i'm sorry to say. Better luck next time.
I just wish NASA and the Russian Space Agency will remember next time "Failure is not an Option"
Rick KC2ESD
BTW I would probily have better luck Launching a VX-2R in a Large model Rocket with a "G" class engine.
KG8FV
02-04-2006, 05:16 AM
What a big joke..In less then 5 hours in orbit it died!..
KC2ESD
02-04-2006, 07:34 AM
Just listen to 145.990 Nothing Heard, Will listen on next pass at 04:00Hrs EST in Atlantic City NJ
Major Tom your Circuts Dead do you copy Major Tom...-David Bowie
Rick KC2ESD Listening and standing by....
KC2ESD
02-04-2006, 09:09 AM
Listen on 145.990, Nothing Heard. Yet on 145.800 the ISS Packet station come in full scale S9+30db. Maybe later in the day when Suitsat is in the Sun the batteries will warm up and Suitsat will come back up to be heard. Good Luck Suitsat.
Rick KC2ESD clear 73 Suitsat.
KB1LQC
02-04-2006, 09:26 AM
YEah, unfourtunatly nothing heard over in in Chelmsford, MA at the 3:58 AM fly over... will try again, great idea though and hopefully it will work! Good luck SuitSat!
Thanks
Bryce Salmi
KB1LQC
CHSARC - KB1NAY
M5AKA
02-04-2006, 10:55 AM
It was feared that SuitSat was lost see
http://www.southgatearc.org/news/february2006/suitsat_dead.htm
However Achim DH2VA/HB9DUN reports it being heard this morning at 0917 UTC
73 Trevor M5AKA
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Suitsat-1 heard 0917UT !
Hello all!
positive report from DL0WH (Clubstation Weinheim)
0917 UT : clear over noise, girls voice: 'This is suitsat-1'
We have it on video tape and just play it back and forth, but even audible
if retransmitted over 2m local http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
In addition strong QRM once every 5 sec from local station trying to
uplink on 145.990.. stupid !
For the second half of the pass also QRM by local cable network leaking
here in the 2m band..
We will try to convert the movie and put it online, but give us some
days..
73s Volker, DF7IT and Achim, DH2VA/HB9DUN
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WA9SPT
02-04-2006, 11:14 AM
If this is really for kids and the baterries are only going to last 2 or 3 days, why was the launch late on Friday?
KB1LQC
02-04-2006, 12:58 PM
OK, I appreciate all the enthusiasm on the site but for these "If it was for kids comments" Please stop, It doesnt matter when they launch it. It just so happened that their on a spacewalk yesterday so it was convienient. It's not like they can jsut open the door chuck it out and close it in the matter of minuts or an hour, its a long process. And just for the fact I am one of the founders of the Chelmsford High School Amateur Radio Club (CHSARC) and am a junior in High School and the whole club and all the teachers I told wre very enthusistic about suit sat.
Thanks
Bryce Salmi
KB1LQC
CHSARC - KB1NAY
kb3mse
02-04-2006, 01:38 PM
Ok.. So they think the batteries or radio froze. Yeah it's cold in space. I'm curious though. Can someone explain how OSCAR sats and all those other sats stay up there when it is so cold? What keeps them from freezing?
K8ERV
02-04-2006, 01:55 PM
$$$$$$$$$
TOM K8ERV Montrose Colo
kb3mse
02-04-2006, 02:59 PM
Quote[/b] (K8ERV @ Feb. 04 2006,06:55)]$$$$$$$$$
TOM K8ERV Montrose Colo
Heheh.. yeah money... but WHAT do those sats have that suit sat didn't? I heard from NASA-TV that when the astronauts are in the suits the heat from the body keeps them warm, and they actually have to cool themselves off. This didn't exactly make sence to me, since I'd think heat would be wisked away to the outside. On the other hand, space is a vacuume and heat doesn't transfer through a vacuume, so.... But I guess the question is, what keeps other sats working? Different equipment? Heaters? Anyone know?
AC9TS
02-04-2006, 03:49 PM
"WHAT do those sats have that suit sat didn't?"
Heat. Suitsait was said to not have any environmental suit controls turned on to conserve battery power.
Tom - AC9TS
ke4pjw
02-04-2006, 06:09 PM
Quote[/b] ]On the other hand, space is a vacuume and heat doesn't transfer through a vacuume
Uh, yes it does. Step outside during the daytime. Do you feel the sun on your face? Almost the complete distance from the sun, that "heat" traveled in a vacuum.
CNN Article About Mr. Smith (http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/space/02/04/bc.spacestation.ap/index.html)
W2ILP
02-04-2006, 08:18 PM
Infra red heat is radiated through a vacuum just as radio waves are. #Both are part of the electromagnetic spectrum. #Heat is RADIATED through both air and vacuums but warmed air currents travel in our atmosphere. #Warm air is less dense than cold air so it usually tends to rise.
The heat is not what travels in this sense, it is the air which is heated that travels.
It is not only children that need to review high school level science. #I hope programs like SuitSat can help.
w2ilp (I Listened Passively)...heard nil.
So if they can throw out a space suit with an HT, why cant they throw out a small satellite like an Oscar 6http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
N2RCA
02-04-2006, 10:33 PM
I can't believe sutch a simple and FUN thing to do would stir up so much debate and negtive comments. Do some of you miserable old farts actually remember having some fun??
No wonder this is a dyeing hobby, who would want to have a real qso with some of you, never mind the "your 5-9, 73, qrz". Sheesh!!!
I'll remind you of a line from "Good Morning Viet-Nam", "It's only radio, and your just mean"
Lighten up, you take yourselves to serious.
73, Dave n2rca
ps; don't give a hoot about "the code" because it don't diddly and proud of it! ;]
KC8YXA
02-04-2006, 10:45 PM
Nasa did it again:p
N1NKM
02-04-2006, 11:19 PM
I set up my station to copy the SSTV at 11pm on 2/3/2006. According to the WEBsite, it was supposed to pass over at 1am & 4am. All I got was one frame of static. It DID trigger in ROBOT36 mode, though, which is the mode they were using! Unfortunately, nothing was visible.
Sadly, "SuitSat" went QRT only a few hours into it's orbit. From what info I have been able to glean, the batteries froze. So there will be a lot of disappointed kids. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif What a shame. i was looking forward to catching this one! Sigh.
As for the old curmudgeons who do nothing but gripe... IGNORE THEM!!!
Willie...
kf6myv
02-04-2006, 11:34 PM
Hmm that thing didnt last long now did it http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
N0FPE
02-05-2006, 12:55 AM
I am not afraid to say it ...N1IR has to be one of the MOST NEGATIVE persons I have ever encountered. Never a positive thing from his keyboard and never anything useful or upbeat in his thoughts.
Dan
ko4ma
02-05-2006, 02:24 AM
I thought I'd pass this along to end some rumors...73,Drew KO4MA
For Immediate Release---
Silver Spring, Maryland
4 February 2006 at 22:00 UTC
Paraphrasing Mark Twain....the demise of SuitSat-1 is high exaggerated!!
It is now nearly 24 hours since the successful deployment of the SuitSat-1
experiment. #These past 24 hours have been a wild ride of
emotions...tremendous highs...deep lows when people reported no signals and
said SuitSat-1 was dead and now....some optimism.
It is absolutely clear that SuitSat-1 is alive. #It was successfully turned
on by the ISS crew prior to deploy and the timing, micro-controller
functions and audio appear to be operating nominally. #The prime issue
appears to be an extremely weak signal.
I have heard several recordings and have monitored two passes today. #When
the signal is above the noise level, you can clearly hear partials of the
student voices, the station ID and the SSTV signal. #One of the
complicating factors in reception is the very deep fades that occur due to
the spin of SuitSat.
Based on the information we know thus far, one can narrow down the issue to
the antenna, the feedline, the transmitter output power and/or any of the
connections in between. #Through your help, we would like to narrow down
the issue further and also gather some internal telemetry from the
Suit. #If the transmitter is running at full power, we would expect the
Suit to end operations in the next few days to a week. #If it is not, then
it will operate much longer. #Since we do not know how long this experiment
will last, we ask for those with powerful receive stations to listen for
Suitsat---especially during direct overhead passes when the Suit is closest
to your area. #If you can record these passes and send the audio to us, it
would be most appreciated. #We will continue to be optimistic that this
issue will right itself before the batteries are depleted. #So please KEEP
LISTENING!
Based on what we have learned, we would like to provide the following
guidelines to save you time and facilitate gathering information.
1) #You need as high a gain antenna as possible with mast mounted
pre-amps. #An arrow is the minimal set...it provides very brief snipets of
the communications. #HTs and scanners won't cut it.
2) #I would not waste your time on passes below 40 degrees
elevation. #SuitSat is too far from your station to receive a reliable
signal. #We have found that closest approach provides several seconds of
SuitSat communication with 22 element yagis.
3) #The "gold" we are looking for right now is the telemetry information
and how long the vehicle stays operational. #So if you hear any of the
telemetry, please let us know.
We are also working to get the voice repeater set up on ISS to downlink
SuitSat audio on 437.80 in the event that the ISS Kenwood radio can receive
the SuitSat transmissions. #The repeater may be operational as early as
mid-day Sunday. #Please do NOT transmit on 145.99, voice or packet, until
we have confirmed that SuitSat is no longer transmitting. #These
transmissions interfere with our ability to hear SuitSat.
While the transmission part of the SuitSat experiment has not been stellar,
SuitSat-1 has been tremendously successful in several areas. #Some of these
successes include:
-We have captured the imagination of students and the general public
worldwide through this unique experiment
-The media attention to the SuitSat project represents one of the biggest
ever for amateur radio
-We have had well over 2 million internet hits on www.suitsat.org today
-Our student's creative artwork, signatures and voices have been carried in
space and are on-board the spacesuit---the students are now space travelers
as the Suit rotates and orbits the Earth
-Carried in the spacesuit CD are pictures of Roy Neal, K6DUE, and Thomas
Kieselbach, DL2MDE, two of our colleagues who have contributed to the ARISS
program and have since passed away
-We successfully deployed an amateur radio satellite in a Spacesuit from
the ISS, demonstrating to the space agencies that this can be safely done.
-This ARISS international team was able to fabricate, test and deliver a
safe ham radio system to the ISS team 3 weeks after the international space
agencies agreed to allow SuitSat to happen. #This was a tremendous feat in
of itself.
SuitSat-1/Radioskaf #is a space pioneering effort. #Pioneering efforts are
challenging. #Risk is high. #But the future payoff is tremendous. #As you
have seen, we have not had total success. #But we have captured the
imagination of the students and the general public. #And we have already
learned a lot from this activity. #This will help us and others grow from
this experience.
Keep your spirits up and let's continue to be optimistic. # And please keep
monitoring!!
73, #Frank H. Bauer, KA3HDO
ARISS International Chairman
AMSAT-NA VP for Human Spaceflight Programs
Does anybody have the CORRECT url for the pass calculator? The one on here doesn't work.
KG6YTZ
02-05-2006, 08:41 AM
My two bits...
Local rumor said there was to be a pass over here just after midnight. Tried listening outdoors with my HT and the best antenna I had with me; heard nothing, and didn't honestly expect to, really. One ham said he heard a 1... bar? S-unit? signal. I don't know whether anyone else in the group heard it.
Oh, well. {shrug}
Quote[/b] (K4JF @ Feb. 04 2006,22:32)]Does anybody have the CORRECT url for the pass calculator? #The one on here doesn't work.
Never mind the above question. #Although the "j-pass" program doesn't work, (found it by going directly to NASA.gov instead of the defective link) another NASA website (by city) says there will be no passes over South Carolina between 01 Feb and 13 Feb. #Bummer........
The URL is OK if you don't include the sntence period at the end of it (highlighting; copy/paste instead of a regular click).... I had trouble with J-pass until I got to right site... Google kept sending me to an alternate when the period was on the URL http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Quote[/b] (N0FPE @ Feb. 04 2006,17:55)]I am not afraid to say it ...N1IR has to be one of the MOST NEGATIVE persons I have ever encountered. Never a positive thing from his keyboard and never anything useful or upbeat in his thoughts.
Dan
And you, Sir, are an utter jerk to try to make ME the scapegoat for this disasterous 'experiment'.
Your assertion that 'never anything useful or upbeat from his thoughts' is demonstrably false. For example: I described that diurnal amalysis connoted very early failure in this mission. That is most certianly useful. Furthermore, I am the FIRST PERSON who started the ball rolling in sending donations to our ham colleague who was the sole survivor of the mining disaster in WV.,
You owe me a #public #apology for this defamatory statement.
I made it very clear that the diurnal variations strongly connoted early failure, well before 24 hours. This was from a BOTEC modeling analysis I did. I described it elsewhere as a post. Here is what I said on 29 Jan, 2006:
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"The LTE temperature is probably 270K in sunlight and perhaps 50K in shadow. Therefore the huge swing in temperature is a valid concern--especially for the batteries.
However, what one really does is find ways of mitigating the heating rates and cooling rates so that the differential is a slowly varying function with a smaller extreme. In other words, the diurnal variation is far smaller.
I went into MATLAB and modeled some heating and cooling functions. Based upon this, I still get a 150K+ variation in the un-controlled suit in the course of a 3 hour 'day'. This appears to exceed the battery norms.
Perhaps your better knowledge on this problem, Jack, can set this poor Cornell Ph.D. astrophysicist straight? As far as I can tell, this is just on the verge of failing within a FEW HOURS.
Any help? I beg your personal insight and assistance.
73,
Chip N1IR "
-----------------------------
We have now seen that failure.
So go blame yourself for letting your hopes get so high.
Trying to make lemonade from a now virtually uncopyable signal is utter folly.
Accept the fact that is is a utter waste of time and American taxpayer's money--and ask what to do to prevent it from happening again.
So much for inspiring the young...
kc5lmf
02-05-2006, 08:30 PM
Quote[/b] (kc8vwm @ Feb. 05 2006,12:53)]On the contrary, Suitsat has been an overwhelming success.
Regardless of whether or not anyone actually heard Suitsat, it generated a good amount of renewed interest in space technology and hopefully ham radio communications with the youngsters.
One man's space junk, is perhaps a young persons lifelong adventure in amateur radio.
73
I see absolutely no proof how it has helped renew any interests in the amateur radio service by being a complete failure.
If it had worked perhaps -- but all we did was demonstrate our ability to pick up static and waste allot of peoples time.
Also, SUITSAT is dead regardless of someone thinking that they may have heard a second's worth of garbled voice, etc etc.
If it ain't transmitting where kids can hear it then its dead.
For all we know some local amateur came up on the freq and was playing tricks on you.
Quote[/b] (kc8vwm @ Feb. 05 2006,12:53)]On the contrary, Suitsat has been an overwhelming success.
...
One man's space junk, is perhaps a young persons lifelong adventure in amateur radio.
73
IMO, to call this an 'overwhelming success' is beyond words.
It does, IMO, make hams look like goofballs with no sense of reality nor scope.
As I assume that is not who you are and what you represent, I suggest you review this opinion.
73,
Chip N1IR
Quote[/b] (KG8FV @ Feb. 03 2006,22:16)]What a big joke..In less then 5 hours in orbit it died!..
This is most regrettable--
BUT predicted.
On 29 Jan, I reported a MATLAB BOTEC model that predicted failure of the batteries within a few hours of deployment.
Science is powerful, but indifferent to feelings.
73,
Chip N1IR
Quote[/b] (kc8vwm @ Feb. 05 2006,15:31)]"Everything that is new or uncommon raises a pleasure in the imagination, because it fills the soul with an agreeable surprise, gratifies its curiosity, and gives it an idea of which it was not before possessed."
- Joseph Addison
The Suitsat project was created to inform, involve and inspire...
Now ask yourself, did the Suitsat project sucessfully meet this objective in young people's minds?
If you are not somehow interested, inspired or even curious about Suitsat, then why are you here reading this forum?
In other words, to suggest that young people have not expressed any interest in the Satsuit project is a complete denial of the facts at hand.
- KC8VWM
My opinion; and informed one--
this is utter, unmitigated cow poop.
k9ekg
02-06-2006, 02:11 AM
Quote[/b] (W0LPQ @ Feb. 03 2006,17:56)]CTO the FCC calls it the Amateur Radio Service...!
Bill, W0LPQ
Yeah, and they call CB the Citizen's Band Radio Service....your point?
Quote[/b] (kc8vwm @ Feb. 05 2006,18:04)]...Please take a moment and listen to the following Suitsat transmission which occurred days after the 5 hour demise some people are incorrectly reporting:
http://www.aj3u.com/blog/ve6bld-telem.mp3
Recorded by VE6BLD on Feb 5th, 2006 - 7:07 Local Time.
(...More than 5 hours in orbit I am afraid.)
...Dr. Chip, since you are a highly regarded Cornell Ph.D. Astrophysicist and since my lowly Bachelors degree in the health sciences is of no comparison to your worldly knowledge gained; I was wondering if you could go over that highly technical Matlab Botec battery life prediction model you were discussing?
I am expressly interested in your expanded explanation about how these batteries aboard Suitsat are supposed to be dead just after a few short hours of space operation one more time?
Thank you.
- KC8VWM
BScN, CPR Instructor, GED, DDD,OO, Eham and QRZ
1)Batteries are rated for performance within a range of temperatures;
2) Performance degrades substantially outside of said ranges;
3) the temperature is a well-defined quantity--both in shadow and sunlight-- in the circumterrestrial envrionment;
4) Newton's law and heat transfer diffeq allow estimates of heating and cooling rates;
5) Relevant parameters can be checked for sensitivity analysis using a handy program like MATLAB; Mathematica; and so on;
6) the sensitivity analysis reveals that excursions of 150 K diurnally will be found--WITH the suit;
7) this exceeds battery rating and thus the likely degradation and failure modality (reported as a 20+dB attenuation from expected levels; that is a LOT);
8) NASA is quoted as ID'ing the battery failure and temp sensitivity as cause.
9) This failure could and should have been easily anticipated. A sophomore engineer could have done the sensitivity analysis.
Accept the failure and move on. I do not enjoy the game of 'I told you so'. But I did.
73,
Chip N1IR
KE5FFV
02-06-2006, 03:11 AM
You people are so cruel.:( #I think it is a great and inventive idea. #If it is in my area durring school hours I will be showing it to the elementry kids in my district.
A high school student,
KE5FFv
Quote[/b] (KE5FFV @ Feb. 05 2006,20:11)]You people are so cruel.:( #I think it is a great and inventive idea. #If it is in my area durring school hours I will be showing it to the elementry kids in my district.
A high school student,
KE5FFv
Sure seems kinda silly to launch it at the end of the school day on FRIDAY and then fail FRIDAY night....
And a 20 dB degradation of signal from battery failure IS a mission failure.
So much for leveraging the eager cadre of American students....
KC2ESD
02-06-2006, 12:04 PM
SuitSat has such a weak Signal that the ISS Crew should, aftet Suitsat drops Dead from Battery Failure and Reentry, Rebroadcast its signal on 145.800Mhz from the spare back up of Suitsat's CD. I can recieve the ISS 145.800Mhz Signal at full scale when the ISS is over my QTH. That would make it easy to recieve for schools and students and might wet the apitite of some students to become Hams.
Rick KC2ESD
Quote[/b] (kc8vwm @ Feb. 05 2006,20:29)]Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Feb. 05 2006,20:07)]9) This failure could and should have been easily anticipated. A sophomore engineer could have done the sensitivity analysis.
Accept the failure and move on. I do not enjoy the game of 'I told you so'. But I did.
73,
Chip N1IR
Ok please explain the failure you are indicating.
Apparently Suitsat is still operational?
Sign me off as confused.
By your own admission--
you are confused.
Time to move on OM.
73,
Chip N1IR
Maybe the Russians were simply playing a bit of a joke on us. They did, after all, want to get rid of a leaky old suit.
Oh no!
What say you Chipper?
Suitsat is a failure.
Obviously the batteries aren't dead: but anyone who attributes that false statement to me is a total goofball, IMO.
The batteries have failed because of performance degradation from temperature variations. 'Failure' means that they do not function within prescribed voltage and currents as specified. 'Dead' means they produce no voltage.
Suitsat's radio mission was to function as a beacon copyable by low gain, usually omni or hemi antennas. In fact, because it's signal is down over a --FACTOR OF 100--from expected values (due to failed batteries) it is only, and rarely detectable by high gain antennas from fixed spots, with very limited dwell time within the unidirectional beam. Ergo, it is hardly an 'outreach' tool.
It is a very poorly working beacon with occasionally copyable signal at very specialized stations.
A failure.
To say that is a success is like saying the ISS would be a success if it somehow got up 2 miles instead of 200...
#
Suitsat is now taking on an added factor: revealing #a bizarre and extreme example of denial and zealousness among some hams. Bad, bad PR for the service, IMO.
Quote[/b] (kc8vwm @ Feb. 06 2006,13:30)]...So your saying the batteries aboard Suitsat didn't fail, or did they fail?
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't a dead battery considered a battery that fails as is suggested in the following statement:
ie. According to AAA, the number one reason for road service calls is battery failure.
That does mean to suggest it's dead doesn't it?
Clueless.
Hello world: not ALL hams are like this.
Some of us actually foster new technologies; strive for being better than who we are; and know the difference betwee failure and success.
Best to all the schoolkids.
73,
Chip N1IR
kc0vql
02-06-2006, 09:25 PM
Chip -
I've read almost the entire mesage thread here and I have noticed that you constantly pound out the message that "This is a failure" and "They should have known better", and "I told you so".
Why don't you take your Astrophysicist Phd and put it to good use and just maybe make some suggestions as to what changes you would make to make something like this more of a success in the future.
Degrading something without attempting to make it better only wastes your time and everybody elses, along with getting people bent out of shape.
Let's try to do something constructive here!
-Patrick, KC0VQL
M5AKA
02-06-2006, 10:24 PM
Stories on upcoming School contacts with the International Space Station have
been published at http://www.southgatearc.org/ , see
ARISS Event - Pine Ridge/Immokalee, Wed Feb 08
http://www.southgatearc.org/news/february2006/ariss_event_080206.htm
(also see David Worboys M0ZLB/KG4ZLB NASA Night article at
http://www.southgatearc.org/news/october2005/nasa_night.htm )
ARISS Event - DeGolyer Elementary, Tue Feb 07
http://www.southgatearc.org/news/february2006/ariss_event_070206b.htm
ARISS Event - Dale High School, Tuesday Feb 7
http://www.southgatearc.org/news/february2006/ariss_event_070206.htm
73 Trevor M5AKA
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Quote[/b] (kc0vql @ Feb. 06 2006,14:25)]Chip - #
I've read almost the entire mesage thread here and I have noticed that you constantly pound out the message that "This is a failure" and "They should have known better", and "I told you so".
Why don't you take your Astrophysicist Phd and put it to good use and just maybe make some suggestions as to what changes you would make to make something like this more of a success in the future.
Degrading something without attempting to make it better only wastes your time and everybody elses, along with getting people bent out of shape.
Let's try to do something constructive here!
-Patrick, #KC0VQL
Step one.
Ask:" What are we trying to accomplish?'
Step Two:
Review Step one and answer it.
Step Three:
Review Step Two.
Don't waste my time, let alone anyone else's, until you have your act together.
Hope this helps.
kb3mse
02-07-2006, 02:22 PM
I don't know about anyone else.... but every time I hear that girls voice saying "This is Suit Sat 1 RS0RS" through the static, it just seems kinda earie. I'm not sure why....
Anyway, guess the suit's still ticking today. Going on 4 days now. Too bad the signal was so low.
n6kzb
02-07-2006, 03:13 PM
It stirred much interest and media coverage for amateur radio, et al.
It harmed no one, and was a neat idea.
Sucess can be measured in ways other than 2 weeks of an S-9 signal.
It is interesting to note that with any QRZ.COM "posting", #within 1 day, the soothsayers of "doom n gloom", and rampant EGO's soon outpace the original message content.
Ah, the price we pay for a free country.......
Enjoy life and the pusuit of your amatuer radio interests........
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
I'll bet that you did not know that our hobby contained so many dingalings!
Quote[/b] (k5co @ Feb. 07 2006,08:23)]I'll bet that you did not know that our hobby contained so many dingalings!
Yes, it is a disappointment to come to that realization.
And Space Cadets.
73,
Chip N1IR
Quote[/b] (kc8vwm @ Feb. 06 2006,13:44)]Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Feb. 06 2006,13:35)]Quote[/b] (kc8vwm @ Feb. 06 2006,13:30)]...So your saying the batteries aboard Suitsat didn't fail, or did they fail?
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't a dead battery considered a battery that fails as is suggested in the following statement:
ie. According to AAA, the number one reason for road service calls is battery failure.
That does mean to suggest it's dead doesn't it?
Clueless.
Hello world: not ALL hams are like this.
Some of us actually foster new technologies; strive for being better than who we are; and know the difference betwee failure and success.
Best to all the schoolkids.
73,
Chip N1IR
There certainly isn't a need for namecalling is there Dr. Chip?
...I am merely seeking clarification regarding your earlier statement.
Dr. Chip, did you know that you have demonstrated yourself to be very condesending toward others?
Curious.., is that a requirement on these message boards?
It is important to be real.
Scientists are always direct with the truth.
If you had read and understood my simple and clear statement, you would not be asking such an inane question.
I am sorry that you find that not to your liking.
n6kzb
02-07-2006, 09:03 PM
Great Job, despite the nay sayers, SuitSat 1 is NOT a failure.
Considering what was tossed out into the cold void of space.........
Try this link and judge for yourself.
And move on.....
http://www.aj3u.com/blog/
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
UA6EZ
02-12-2006, 09:50 PM
Удивлен разными мнениями американских радиолюбителей !
Сколько я ни слушал 145990 -- я ничего не услышал к
сажалению! Даже брал бинокль и высматривал скафандр !
МКС видел как пролетает, а вот скафандр--нет !
С наилучшими пожеланиями ! 73 ! 12.02.2006г.:p
UA6EZ
02-12-2006, 09:51 PM
Удивлен разными мнениями американских радиолюбителей !
Сколько я ни слушал 145990 -- я ничего не услышал к
сажалению! Даже брал бинокль и высматривал скафандр !
МКС видел как пролетает, а вот скафандр--нет !
С наилучшими пожеланиями ! 73 ! 12.02.2006г.:p
KD8CMV
02-13-2006, 01:40 AM
Quote[/b] ] n1ir
In the absence of specific knowledge, one must go with guestimates
WOW, even you said it yourself (Orbiting Space Suit Transmitting on 2 meters! Space Station mission! Topic page 4)
These folks involved in the SuitSat project did exactly that when they came up with the project, question pool, what to include or not, etc, and used available materials to save money since it was their first go at it.
Quote[/b] ]
KB1HTW
If you're so pissed at NASA for wasting resources, why don't you get off your collective butts and write - no, VISIT - your congressman and convince him/her that you yourself have the answer? Otherwise, let the rest of us celebrate this all too infrequent boost to the visibility of our hobby.
Jon - KB1HTW
Quote[/b] ]
KC0VQL
Chip -
I've read almost the entire message thread here and I have noticed that you constantly pound out the message that "This is a failure" and "They should have known better", and "I told you so".
Why don't you take your Astrophysicist Phd and put it to good use and just maybe make some suggestions as to what changes you would make to make something like this more of a success in the future.
Degrading something without attempting to make it better only wastes your time and everybody elses, along with getting people bent out of shape.
Let's try to do something constructive here!
-Patrick, KC0VQL
Patrick and Jon, exactly what I’ve been saying! I didn’t realize until today that he was in this one also, bashing away at the project and people …
Also, to those who like to pontificate or act like the only good or real ham is one that upgrades or finally makes it to Extra class, these people are a big reason why so many women don’t talk on the radio, community, etc. We get enough gruff off the radio and some of it just for being a woman, which they feel is already lower class. Some are demeaned enough at home…why go out and look for it.
If those are the types of people out there in the higher bands, there’s no way these scared people are going to upgrade just to get blasted or made to feel stupid, etc.
I’m sure we all know the ones I’m talking about…
If a Ham is going to upgrade, it should be because they want to…to better themselves, or even to be able to get out further and talk to more people. Not because someone who holds a higher class license or a nicely framed degree says so.
I know there are higher classed persons (in my area & elsewhere) who wouldn’t even think of talking down to a tech or a no code tech. Heck, they’ve helped me and others in this area!
If the only ones out there were the bad apples, I know I wouldn’t even consider upgrading like I am right now. I just plan to stay away from those bad apples, that’s all.
Thank you to all those other Hams who’ve helped and not hindered our hobby and shame on the bad apples. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Former college professor, I hope you treated your students better then folks in here…
7-3
KD8CMV
kb2rkp
02-13-2006, 05:13 PM
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KD8CMV
Also,to those who like to pontificate or act like the only good or real ham is one that upgrades or finally makes it to Extra class, these people are a big reason why so many women don’t talk on the radio, community, etc. We get enough gruff off the radio and some of it just for being a woman, which they feel is already lower class. Some are demeaned enough at home…why go out and look for it.
If those are the types of people out there in the higher bands, there’s no way these scared people are going to upgrade just to get blasted or made to feel stupid, etc.
I’m sure we all know the ones I’m talking about…
If a Ham is going to upgrade, it should be because they want to…to better themselves, or even to be able to get out further and talk to more people. Not because someone who holds a higher class license or a nicely framed degree says so.
I couldn't have said it better myself...
Bill
KB2RKP
A No-Coder with an engineering degree.
Quote[/b] (KD8CMV @ Feb. 12 2006,18:40)]Quote[/b] ] n1ir
In the absence of specific knowledge, one must go with guestimates
WOW, even you said it yourself (Orbiting Space Suit Transmitting on 2 meters! Space Station mission! Topic page 4)
These folks involved in the SuitSat project did exactly that when they came up with the project, question pool, what to include or not, etc, and used available materials to save money since it was their first go at it.
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KB1HTW
If you're so pissed at NASA for wasting resources, why don't you get off your collective butts and write - no, VISIT - your congressman and convince him/her that you yourself have the answer? Otherwise, let the rest of us celebrate this all too infrequent boost to the visibility of our hobby.
Jon - KB1HTW
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KC0VQL
Chip -
I've read almost the entire message thread here and I have noticed that you constantly pound out the message that "This is a failure" and "They should have known better", and "I told you so".
Why don't you take your Astrophysicist Phd and put it to good use and just maybe make some suggestions as to what changes you would make to make something like this more of a success in the future.
Degrading something without attempting to make it better only wastes your time and everybody elses, along with getting people bent out of shape.
Let's try to do something constructive here!
-Patrick, #KC0VQL
Patrick and Jon, exactly what I’ve been saying! I didn’t realize until today that he was in this one also, bashing away at the project and people …
Also, to those who like to pontificate or act like the only good or real ham is one that upgrades or finally makes it to Extra class, these people are a big reason why so many women don’t talk on the radio, community, etc. We get enough gruff off the radio and some of it just for being a woman, which they feel is already lower class. Some are demeaned enough at home…why go out and look for it.
If those are the types of people out there in the higher bands, there’s no way these scared people are going to upgrade just to get blasted or made to feel stupid, etc.
I’m sure we all know the ones I’m talking about…
If a Ham is going to upgrade, it should be because they want to…to better themselves, or even to be able to get out further and talk to more people. Not because someone who holds a higher class license or a nicely framed degree says so.
I know there are higher classed persons (in my area & elsewhere) who wouldn’t even think of talking down to a tech or a no code tech. Heck, they’ve helped me and others in this area!
If the only ones out there were the bad apples, I know I wouldn’t even consider upgrading like I am right now. I just plan to stay away from those bad apples, that’s all.
Thank you to all those other Hams who’ve helped and not hindered our hobby and shame on the bad apples. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Former college professor, I hope you treated your students better then folks in here…
7-3
KD8CMV
Admittedly, the notion that someone would not --want--to better themselves is very foreign to me. It's not part of the American character. And as I spent 15 years actively working at mentoring such people, it feels deliciously odd to have it asserted as elitist. My impression was that the elitist actively worked to keep the folks trying to better themselves out. Hence the alleged paradox.
Finally, you are correct--I think anyone who wants to be a metaphorical couch potato is a weeny. Work. Improve Grow. I'm rootin' for ya!
As for the woman stuff, it's hard to imagine this is relevant to the topic. Certainly I make no distinctions in ham radio nor engineering/ science. And I'm married to a Chem E./Harvard MBA, so I'm not exactly discouraging such stuff. And I won't patronize anyone based upon their sex or sexual orientation. Sorry. It just isn't a differentiator for me. Effort; gumption; execution--these are not sexually dimorphic. But damn honorable no matter who the person.
As for the rest, what I see is---
Anger.
Transference.
Vent.
Cordially,
A Retired college professor
ab8ma
02-14-2006, 08:52 PM
Quote[/b] (ua6ez @ Feb. 12 2006,21:51)]Удивлен разными мнениями американских радиолюбителей !
Сколько я ни слушал 145990 -- #я ничего не услышал к
сажалению! Даже брал бинокль и высматривал скафандр !
МКС видел как пролетает, а вот скафандр--нет !
#С наилучшими пожеланиями ! 73 ! 12.02.2006г.:p
Well said. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif But I would think a telescope would work better than field glasses if you wish to spot the suit visually.
Quote[/b] (ua6ez @ Feb. 12 2006,14:51)]Удивлен разными мнениями американских ради