Your Government Cares So Much For U

[N0WVA]

http://animalid.aphis.usda.gov/nais/about/pdf/NAIS_Draft_Strategic_Plan_42505.pdf


Looks like mandatory tracking by 2009. Guess who pays for the system? Guess who will reap the benefits of total control?

[VE7NOT]

Quote[/b] (N0WVA @ Jan. 23 2006,23:02)]http://animalid.aphis.usda.gov/nais/about/pdf/NAIS_Draft_Strategic_Plan_42505.pdf


Looks like mandatory tracking by 2009. Guess who pays for the system? Guess who will reap the benefits of total control?
Ian Tyson once wrote a song called 'clude dallas'... or something a bunch of government men came to his ranch... he gunned them down on the spot saying: "They were gonna cut me down!" http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

Poor guys really think an averagye farmer will actually do this are nuts. This is what brought france down.

[G8ADD]

A few years ago we had a really devastating outbreak of Foot and Mouth disease (you may know it as Hoof and Mouth) which nearly ran completely out of control because there was so much undocumented movement of cattle around the country. If the documentation that we have in place now had been available then, the outbreak of disease would have been brought under control much more rapidly and far fewer cattle would have had to be slaughtered and burned.

In this case you should be pleased that your government is doing the right thing - for once!

73

Brian G8ADD

[AC0H]

Quote[/b] ]A few years ago we had a really devastating outbreak of Foot and Mouth disease (you may know it as Hoof and Mouth) which nearly ran completely out of control because there was so much undocumented movement of cattle around the country. If the documentation that we have in place now had been available then, the outbreak of disease would have been brought under control much more rapidly and far fewer cattle would have had to be slaughtered and burned.

EXACTLY!!!

Some of you "The governement is out to get me" conspiracy nuts need to take the tin foil off your heads, climb out of the basement, and actually do something.

The way we keep and use livestock data needs to be standardized so that we can track EVERY animal back to birth along with what it's been fed.

I was working in the packing industry when the "cow that stole christmas" tested positive for BSE (Mad Cow Disease) in December of 1993. The export market for beef sounded like a door slamming shut. Japan has just now re-opened for export beef.

Turns out that particular cow was of Canadian heritage, had been fed bone meal (#1 source of BSE transmission). It took nearly a month for the USDA to find that information. Not nearly fast enough as the damage had already been done.

It's not fun watching 1,000 employees come in to get their last paycheck, when a business you helped start from the ground up fails because farmer Joe doesn't think it's important to keep good records.

[N0WVA]

Quote[/b] (G8ADD @ Jan. 24 2006,03:25)]A few years ago we had a really devastating outbreak of Foot and Mouth disease (you may know it as Hoof and Mouth) which nearly ran completely out of control because there was so much undocumented movement of cattle around the country. If the documentation that we have in place now had been available then, the outbreak of disease would have been brought under control much more rapidly and far fewer cattle would have had to be slaughtered and burned.

In this case you should be pleased that your government is doing the right thing - for once!

73

Brian G8ADD
Our food supply is in fine shape, and whats more, its relatively free from our government regulating what food we grow for ourselves.

Id prefer to keep it that way and take my chances. I think of all our men and women who risked thier lives to keep it that way here at home , and think its the least I can do to accept a little "risk" in my own country if it means keeping RF tags out of my animals, and out of me , so be it.

Its this "safety at any cost" mentality that will lead to acceptance of tagging humans.

Nothing good can come from this sort of thing. Only more regulation, taxes,and big industry knowing how to fix prices when they can tell what how much livestock is coming up for sale. Again, the small guy gets screwed. Thats why the likes of Cargill is pushing for this.

Some of you guys are willing to lay down your liberty much too easily.

[W4BD]

Well lets go back and look at history. #The Founding Fathers of the United States were very familar with the way things were done back in Europe. #The lower class was at the mercy of the King and the Lords of the Manor. #What ever they said the lower class had to abide by. #This is where the BILL OF RIGHTS came from so that we would always be free of the KING and his MEN and their heavy handed ways. #We are getting a taste now of KING DUBW and his men. #If they want to track things start by tracking all the FORGIENERS that are running loose in this Country. #KING DUBW has taken away more of our freedom that anyone else save FDR during WWII on the AMERICAN CITIZENS who happened to be JAPANESE decent in over 200 years. #We are getting into a POLICE STATE NATION where we have to have PAPERS to move about we are not free to talk on the telephone with out somebody listening in and recording what we say. #We have RIGHTS but the people that are over here that are NOT CITIZENS have NO RIGHTS so BUG them and track them leave us alone. #Leave our animals alone because there is an ulteria motive in the reason to want to track them=TAX. #Anytime the GOV wants to do something there is a motive behind it and it ain't to our benefit. #I LOVE MY COUNTRY BUT I FEAR MY GOVERMENT.

73's

Bill #W4BPK
Donalsonville, Ga.

[AC0H]

Quote[/b] ]Our food supply is in fine shape, and whats more, its relatively free from our government regulating what food we grow for ourselves.

The new regulations don't apply to animals you've grown for YOUR OWN CONSUMPTION. They do apply to animals you intend to sell for the rest of us to eat.

RF ID tags also make it easier for the farmer/cattleman to keep track of his animals. With the wave of a wand ALL of the information about that particular steer or heifer is uploaded to the computer. No more digging around in reams of paper, no more guessing.

Quote[/b] ]Well lets go back and look at history. #The Founding Fathers of the United States were very familar with the way things were done back in Europe. #The lower class was at the mercy of the King and the Lords of the Manor. #What ever they said the lower class had to abide by. #This is where the BILL OF RIGHTS came from so that we would always be free of the KING and his MEN and their heavy handed ways. #We are getting a taste now of KING DUBW and his men. #If they want to track things start by tracking all the FORGIENERS that are running loose in this Country. #KING DUBW has taken away more of our freedom that anyone else save FDR during WWII on the AMERICAN CITIZENS who happened to be JAPANESE decent in over 200 years. #We are getting into a POLICE STATE NATION where we have to have PAPERS to move about we are not free to talk on the telephone with out somebody listening in and recording what we say. #We have RIGHTS but the people that are over here that are NOT CITIZENS have NO RIGHTS so BUG them and track them leave us alone. #Leave our animals alone because there is an ulteria motive in the reason to want to track them=TAX. #Anytime the GOV wants to do something there is a motive behind it and it ain't to our benefit. #I LOVE MY COUNTRY BUT I FEAR MY GOVERMENT.

I have no idea what this yammering is about. It certainly has nothing to do with the subject of the thread, RF ID's on livestock. Crawl back down into your basement and put on your tin foil hat.

[KA8NCR]

I'm not much on animal rights, but I have to say that maybe they'd have a better time controlling disease if they'd get rid of the factory feedlots where some of the beef is raised. If they'd stop having cattle stand in their own waste their entire lives and feed them grasses as they're built to digest, they wouldn't need to be pumped with antibiotics to keep them upright.

[N0WVA]

AC0H:

"The new regulations don't apply to animals you've grown for YOUR OWN CONSUMPTION. They do apply to animals you intend to sell for the rest of us to eat."


N0WVA:

I didnt read that exclusion in there, but perhaps I missed it. Ill look closer later this evening.

AC0H:

"RF ID tags also make it easier for the farmer/cattleman to keep track of his animals. With the wave of a wand ALL of the information about that particular steer or heifer is uploaded to the computer. No more digging around in reams of paper, no more guessing."


N0WVA:

Well, thats fine and the ranchers or farmers who want to do that have every right to do such. But there is nothing to stop them from doing it now. Do we need the government to mandate this? Its kinds working on the wrong end of the spectrum. Treat the symptom and not the cause.

You can go ahead and make fun of the rest of us with the tin hat jokes, but what are you going to do when they want you to line up and shove a chip up your ass?( Yeah I know thats not where it goes). Are you going to bend over and gladly accept it all the name of "safety"?

There seems to be a silent war going on in this country. From my perspective it seems that it is against the person who wants to be independent and live out of the grip of our beloved government. There are bills that have been coming up in my state to put meters on public wells, and even charge us and regulate for estimated spring water usage, even runoff going to a pond used by cattle. A little rediculous, dont ya think?

I dont expect those who have known such a lifestyle to understand. Those who love thier concrete and asphalt cant survive on thier own, so they really dont care what happens to the small independent farmer. As long as they can go down to the grocery store and get food, all is well. Just wave your hand in front of the scanner to purchase that T-Bone. You can then rest assured as you hear that conforting "beep!" that your government cares enough for you to let you be able to purchase that T-Bone and is much safer for you because now its all in the control of your trusting US Gov. Never mind that they couldnt enforce the laws we already had.

[N0WVA]

What really gets me is a few ragheads crash into a couple buildings and all of a sudden everybody is ready to jump on the world identification bandwagon.

Thats just exactly what they wanted.

[AC0H]

Quote[/b] ]but what are you going to do when they want you to line up and shove a chip up your ass?( Yeah I know thats not where it goes). Are you going to bend over and gladly accept it all the name of "safety"?

Of course I'll resist it but what were talking about here and what you are suggesting are light years apart.

It's good from a USDA/Food Safety point of view. It's good from a cattle management point of view, and it's good from an export marketing point of view. The japanese won't let any beef in the country which is older than 30 months. Up until this time the only way to know for sure is for an USDA inspector at the packing plant to physically inspect the teeth of that particular animal after decapitation. Unreliable at best, the heads for what ever reason may not stay with the carcass like they're supposed to.

[KW4MW]

I don't see a big problem here - no invasion of privacy, no spying on innocent folks, etc. #

My stepdad has raised Herefords for over 50 years. #Each animal was ear tagged and he kept meticulous records on all his sales and purchases. #However if for some reason the Feds ever needed to backtrack the sale of an animal that had been moved from feedlot to feedlot they would have to meticulously backtrack through the written documents of each farmer meaning of course that they would have to contact every person in that chain in order to get the next contact person. #That's a very inefficient system that takes days, even weeks to track down the source of a bad cow. #

This appears to me to be a much needed upgrade of an archaic record keeping system.

Now if you truly want to get indignant, think about those products you buy at Wally-Mart and other stores with RFID chips attached. # Go here first: #http://www.spychips.com/

[W4BD]

AC0H

Well first I don't have a basement and even if I did I wouldn't be down there. #I live in a real world and I believe in facing life in real time. #Now the tracking of farm animals by it's self is not too bad but when you add that and everything else up it gets to be GOD awful. #Just to give you a for instance! #I wanted to open up a checking account at a new bank. #I have been known as Bill for 65 years and all my other accounts are as Bill with my correct SS number well now it seems that due to the GOV and the Patriot Act I have open this new account in the name of William. #Well It's just the idea that I am an AMERICAN and I should be able to open up and account in what ever name I want as long as I have the CORRECT SS number so they can get their TAX money. #Money is another thing go to your bank and try to draw out a large amount of cash and see if you aren't turned in to the IRS. #The bank by law has to report any and all transactions for over $10,000 or ANY amount in cash that the teller thinks is going to be used for anything illeagl. #Where did our freedom go on that one. #You can call my outlook on things as YAMMERING but just hide and watch people like you will be the ruin of this NATION. #DO WHAT EVER YOU WANT JUST KEEP ME SAFE. #Well I will keep myself safe or die in the process.

73's

Bill #W4BPK
Donalsonville, Ga.

[N3ATS]

Quote[/b] (N0WVA @ Jan. 24 2006,15:35)]What really gets me is a few ragheads crash into a couple buildings and all of a sudden everybody is ready to jump on the world identification bandwagon.

Thats just exactly what they wanted.
Yup. It's all about fear. When you are scared, the person who calms you is your hero.

When you're scared, you're willing to do anything to feel secure.

Not scared anymore? Well, well, well. Do we have a cure for THAT!

Whether its bogus beheading videos, or more B.S. Bin Laden tapes (which incidentally seem to turn up right about the time we learn how the government has ursurped yet another Consitutional right).

We'll keep you afeared! Just so we can make you feel all better!

Why do you think Bin Laden is still at large? As long as he is, he has scare power. And as long as people fear him, the government has the upper hand. Keep him on the loose and he's still a threat. Reel him in, the threat is greatly, greatly diminished and so are the reasons to rule with an iron fist.

That is, until the next "crisis" occurs.

[KA7RRA]

Quote[/b] (W4BPK @ Jan. 24 2006,08:09)]#KING DUBW has taken away more of our freedom that anyone else
What freedoms a GWB taken away from us?? I can still do what I want I can still travel through out the US

I still have freedom of speech iam going to Dayton has he taken my right to go to Dayton?? So what freedoms has he taken away?
Dave

[n5tjd]

This may be an issue to implement on our herd, but I think it is a great idea. When you sell your livestock for consumption by others you are responsible. This protects the market and the ranchers because problems can be tracked and isolated much quicker.

[kf4vgx]

Your Government Cares So Much For U !
Tell em thanks !

[N0WVA]

Quote[/b] (KA7RRA @ Jan. 24 2006,17:15)]Quote[/b] (W4BPK @ Jan. 24 2006,08:09)]#KING DUBW has taken away more of our freedom that anyone else
What freedoms a GWB taken away from us?? I can still do what I want I can still travel through out the #US

I still have freedom of speech #iam going to Dayton has he taken my right to go to Dayton?? #So what freedoms has he taken away?
Dave
Its true you wont have any checkpoints along the way this year to show your "papers". But just wait a few more, its on the horizon.

The freedom to live without the government intruding into our personal property and lives is a biggie for me.

[G8ADD]

Quote[/b] (W4BPK @ Jan. 24 2006,14:27)]AC0H

Well first I don't have a basement and even if I did I wouldn't be down there. #I live in a real world and I believe in facing life in real time. #Now the tracking of farm animals by it's self is not too bad but when you add that and everything else up it gets to be GOD awful. #Just to give you a for instance! #I wanted to open up a checking account at a new bank. #I have been known as Bill for 65 years and all my other accounts are as Bill with my correct SS number well now it seems that due to the GOV and the Patriot Act I have open this new account in the name of William. #Well It's just the idea that I am an AMERICAN and I should be able to open up and account in what ever name I want as long as I have the CORRECT SS number so they can get their TAX money. #Money is another thing go to your bank and try to draw out a large amount of cash and see if you aren't turned in to the IRS. #The bank by law has to report any and all transactions for over $10,000 or ANY amount in cash that the teller thinks is going to be used for anything illeagl. #Where did our freedom go on that one. #You can call my outlook on things as YAMMERING but just hide and watch people like you will be the ruin of this NATION. #DO WHAT EVER YOU WANT JUST KEEP ME SAFE. #Well I will keep myself safe or die in the process.

73's

Bill #W4BPK
Donalsonville, Ga.
Bill, I sympathise with what you are saying, in this country we are faced with a fight to avoid having compulsory identity cards, when ever since the end of WW2 it has been a source of national pride that WE don't need no stinkin' ID cards!!

However.

During the foot and mouth outbreak huge areas of countryside were closed off completely until the contagion was contained and eliminated. City dwellers were largely confined to cities or not allowed to leave main roads in case they spread the disease. Pastimes like rambling and rock climbing came to an end. Areas such as the Lake District that are largely supported by tourism were completely closed off and some hoteliers went bankrupt.

In other words, liberty was sacrificed to defeat the disease, and if proper records had existed so that cattle exposed to the disease could be tracked quickly, the outbreak would have been smaller and controlled more quickly and easily.

Liberty must be treated as precious, but I think you have to choose your battleground with care!

73

Brian G8ADD.

[W2ILP]

Hmmm...
So the government wants to track animals. We just had a hearing to promote the fact that the U.S. government , under the U.S. Constitution, doesn't have the right to track citizens.

Should animals have the same rights as humans? Nah...Animals are not given human rights or any God given rights. Killing animals for food or fur is not a crime and I don't think animals, know or care if they are being tracked, if they aren't being tracked for food or fur.

Tracking tom cats might be useful in establishing kitten paternity suits but the importance of tracking disease carriers is a priority that should be exploited in this age of technology. The Japanese are always trying to make electronic gear smaller. This leads to having devices that require us to operate them with magnifier glasses and tooth picks...BUT I want to see them make some GPS units and radio transmitters that are small enough to mount on a cockroach or bed bug. We must selectively track the most offensive creatures before we track innocent ones.,

w2ilp (Invading Lice's Privacy?)...Lice aren't protected by an pertinent lousy laws.

[AC0H]

Quote[/b] ]This leads to having devices that require us to operate them with magnifier glasses and tooth picks
Like current dual and single band HT's.

[W4BD]

G8ADD Brian

Well I just can't get used to the fact that I can't and don't trust my own Government. I have seen too much abuse by the powers to be. I remember when the Hoof and Mouth disease was running over in England several years ago. I don't see where being able to track a farmer's livestock would have helped at all. From what I was shown on the news they just came in and killed all the animals and burned the carcuss period. Over here I think they want to track so they can TAX the farmers on the livestck that he owns. I mean everything revolves around the almighty American Dollar. The Goverments want to have PEOPLE CONTROL and they will do it anyway they can. King DUBW was on the radio news today saying that they were just spying on overseas calls and emails and if you believe that I have some Seaside property out in Phoenix Arizona I would like to sell you. I remember back during the Viet Nam war about the body counts and how the Goverment lied about them. I LOVE MY COUNTRY BUT I FEAR MY GOVERNMENT.

73's

Bill W4BPK
Donalsonville, Ga.

[KI4BNC]

Quote[/b] (W4BPK @ Jan. 25 2006,17:49)]G8ADD Brian

Well I just can't get used to the fact that I can't and #don't trust my own Government. #I have seen too much abuse by the powers to be. #I remember when the Hoof and Mouth disease was running over in England several years ago. #I don't see where being able to track a farmer's livestock would have helped at all. #From what I was shown on the news they just came in and killed all the animals and burned the carcuss period. #Over here I think they want to track so they can TAX the farmers on the livestck that he owns. #I mean everything revolves around the almighty American Dollar. #The Goverments want to have PEOPLE CONTROL and they will do it anyway they can. #King DUBW was on the radio news #today saying that they were just spying on overseas calls and emails and if you believe that I have some Seaside property out in Phoenix Arizona I would like to sell you. #I remember back during the Viet Nam war about the body counts and how the Goverment lied about them. #I LOVE MY COUNTRY BUT I FEAR MY GOVERNMENT.

73's

Bill #W4BPK
Donalsonville, Ga.
The whole thing with the rfid in animals is just a foot in the door of tracking/tagging humans.I don't care what anybody says.I have grown accustomed to the freedoms I was born with and have not been recinded by the government (YET!)and plan strongly on keeping them.
as far as being a conspiritorialist-yes I am.I almost agree with Bills last statement.I love my country but I DISTRUST my government.The government could give a sh!# less about the average person.Always remember:
A PEOPLE THAT FEARS ITS GOVERNMENT IS A TYRANNY
A GOVERNMENT THAT FEARS ITS PEOPLE IS A LIBERTY!



We do not work for the government.
THEY WORK FOR US.and until we get that across to them
then they will continue to have the upper hand!They did not put US where we are.WE put them where THEY are.
I have nothing further to say on the matter.




just my .02

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[G8ADD]

Quote[/b] (W4BPK @ Jan. 25 2006,17:49)]G8ADD Brian

Well I just can't get used to the fact that I can't and #don't trust my own Government. #I have seen too much abuse by the powers to be. #I remember when the Hoof and Mouth disease was running over in England several years ago. #I don't see where being able to track a farmer's livestock would have helped at all. #From what I was shown on the news they just came in and killed all the animals and burned the carcuss period. #Over here I think they want to track so they can TAX the farmers on the livestck that he owns. #I mean everything revolves around the almighty American Dollar. #The Goverments want to have PEOPLE CONTROL and they will do it anyway they can. #King DUBW was on the radio news #today saying that they were just spying on overseas calls and emails and if you believe that I have some Seaside property out in Phoenix Arizona I would like to sell you. #I remember back during the Viet Nam war about the body counts and how the Goverment lied about them. #I LOVE MY COUNTRY BUT I FEAR MY GOVERNMENT.

73's

Bill #W4BPK
Donalsonville, Ga.
The problem was a long chain of secondary infections; cattle were sold and then sold on with no proper paperwork and it was a nightmare trying to find where the beasts had gone and what other beasts they had been in contact with in transit, when even the briefest contact sufficed to pass on such a highly contagious disease. The vast cordons and mass slaughtering around each known infection was necessary to prevent the infection running like a brush fire.

I see distrust of the government as a highly right and proper attitude but one which is entirely seperate to the issue of being able to track animals to halt the spread of diseases. It is the duty of any free man to keep a jaundiced eye on those who think that the nation is their pig trough, and in all honesty I cannot remember a time when either of our nations could afford to relax and let the politicians get on with it. It has always been my opinion that the desire to be a politician should instantly disqualify a person from EVER being a politician. Politicians should be selected by lot and expected to serve only one four or five year term.

73

Brian G8ADD