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KI4CIA
01-09-2006, 03:03 AM
Have you ever wished that Straight Key Night would go on and on and on? #
Have you ever wished for other incentives to dig out your old straight key or old bug and knock the dust off? #
Ever wished they had a Straight Key Night more than once a year? #
That is a light you see at the end of the tunnel!! #Recently, a group of hams have decided to make their wishes come true and founded the Straight Key Century Club – a/k/a “SKCC”. #Yep, a Straight Key club - where you can dust off your straight key or old bug, and get on the air and torture other ops with your straight key fist …
Here’s how it will work: #
# # A) # #Open to any interested amateur
# # B) # #Membership is free, there are no dues and it shall stay that way as long as practical.
# # C) # #SKCC numbers are issued for life. #Once you get it, it's yours. #Take care of it. #Above all, USE it.
The first day of each month, at 0000Z will be designated as a monthly operating event that allows SKCC members or non-SKCC members to work each other for credit. #Contact with 100 SKCC members will qualify that person for a certificate of accomplishment.
Suggested operating frequencies are:
# # 1820
# # 3720
# # 7120
# # 10120
# # 14048
# # 18080
# # 21120
# # 24910
# # 28170
# # 50090
# # 14407
The website (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/skcc/) is a work in progress, so please bear with us as Tom works on building it. #
For membership, please email Tom, KC9ECI, at tom@galesvillefiredepartment.org.
73,
KC9ECI, Tom Peterson (SKCC # 1)
KI4CIA, Melinda Alsobrook (SKCC # 2)
KC9ECI
01-15-2006, 03:40 PM
The interest soon overwhelmed the website so we've moved things to a yahoo group, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/skcc/ where we can better organize things. #Hope to hear all of your fists on the air.
73
Tom
KC9ECI
Hate to admit it but I never used one. Right before I got my tech, Heathkit came out with the HD-1410 keyer. I used that with my HW-101 for a long time. Since then it has always been some type of paddles, Bencher or Ten-Tec. The way my fingers work now (not very well) I doubt anyone would want to hear me using a straight key.
I remember a lot of old-timers (back before I was included in that group) used straight keys and you knew who was on the other end before you got the callsign. Some people have a really great, almost musical quality to their sending that is totally lost with a keyer. So I hope you have success with your group!
VY 73, Mike w3mz
Quote[/b] (w3mz @ Jan. 15 2006,09:58)]Hate to admit it but I never used one. Right before I got my tech, Heathkit came out with the HD-1410 keyer. I used that with my HW-101 for a long time. Since then it has always been some type of paddles, Bencher or Ten-Tec. The way my fingers work now (not very well) I doubt anyone would want to hear me using a straight key.
I remember a lot of old-timers (back before I was included in that group) used straight keys and you knew who was on the other end before you got the callsign. Some people have a really great, almost musical quality to their sending that is totally lost with a keyer. So I hope you have success with your group!
VY 73, Mike w3mz
Well, Mike,
You might want to wire one up and give it a try. #
Over the years, I have worked guys whose fist sounded like a symphony and I have worked guys whose fist sounded like a train wreck. #In either case, I've enjoyed working all of them.
Im in, i collect old keys...i currently use a Les Logan Speed-X. i guess its about 70 years old. I have some strap keys going back to the turn of the century, and a bunch of military stuff including a Berlin-battlefield dug German WWII tank key i picked up in Gettysburg...i just have a bunch of old keys, heh.
Ill go check it out because i only use these types of devices...good idea you have there.
73...Adam, N7YA
w4gpw
01-15-2006, 06:46 PM
I've been a big straight key fan since I got on code last year. I missed SKN this year and hate that I did, but now that I've joined (158!) I can experience it every day.
WA5KRP
01-15-2006, 07:08 PM
Just signed up. Great idea. But I gottatellya - I'm horrible on a straight key. I've been using a keyer since 1974.
WA5KRP
Texas
KI4CIA
01-15-2006, 07:55 PM
Thanks to the moderators for getting this up, even though the thread that started all this is still going in another forum.
I've edited the website link, so it will now go the Yahoo address and one change was made on the list of calling frequencies, it's now 5090.
And glad to have you new guys join up!!
73,
Melinda
KI4CIA
W5HTW
01-15-2006, 08:03 PM
5090?
Do you mean 50.900? Or 50.090? The 14407 is 144.070, but I'm not sure about the 50 mhz frequency. Thanks.
I gotta get out my J38 and practice a bit. Been on a keyer for 30 years. Back to basics!!
Ed
KI4CIA
01-15-2006, 08:10 PM
50900 ... thanks for pointing that out!!
You know, there is an ulterior motive in all this ... it is putting all you who have been on keyers and bugs for a humpteen dozen years on a level playing field with us (the new crop) now!! heeheehee http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
W9JDH
01-15-2006, 08:41 PM
The founders of this group SKCC need to be commended for their hard work. With all the bandwidth and spectrum issues going on, maybe this will get CW going again.
Even with band conditions being poor lately, the new CW activity even in the Novice portions are alive and well. Hopefully the word will spread and get some newcomers interested in the art of CW!
73,
W9JDH, SKCC #80
CW--AN ENDANGERED SPECIES??
k1fpv
01-15-2006, 09:05 PM
Having used nothing but a straight key for over 43 years as a ham, I find this concept refreshing. You will find me on the suggested operating frequencies often. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
kd5tlc
01-15-2006, 09:13 PM
Sounds like FUN... I don't use anything for CW other than a straight key.
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w4rot
01-15-2006, 09:25 PM
I sent out a mail to couple of OF's who help me a bunch.
They were right on it.
but....
If you get cocky and crank it up speedwise...they will put you in the dirt.
This is great thing for all of us!
kudos to kc9eci and ki4cia!
w4rot
w8cbc
01-15-2006, 10:27 PM
I've worked more than one "train wreck" fist - it always gets better as the contact proceeds and helps me improve mine own as well. So whatever you think of yourself, I'll happily work you.
KC9ECI
01-15-2006, 11:55 PM
Quote[/b] ]Activity within 7 days:
153 New Members - 8 New Links - 147 New Messages - 3 New Databases - 26 New Photos - 4 New Files
I just registered SKCC number 224
I just uncovered the old J-38 used in my novice days (1957)......forgot I had it, and now that it is found and with this new Straight Key initiative you have introduced, I'd like to get involved. #If you can issue my number, I'll be happy to join in just as soon as I can locate a coil spring to replace the one missing from this old key.....Mike Pilgrim, K5MP@hwn.org, Boca Raton, Fl
n5vkn
01-16-2006, 03:39 AM
Hello All. SKCC #248 here. Since joining the group a couple of hours ago my mail box has been flooded with SKCC Mail from the Yahoo Group. MMMMM.... guess CW is not dead after all. hi hi #SKCC is a great idea to promote ham radio. Keep up the good work !!! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
w8cbc
01-16-2006, 03:42 AM
Something woke up the Novice segment in 80, that's for sure. It used to be, I could call in there all night and nothing. Now I got people calling me a LID and everything. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
A: No.
Aren't we getting a little TOO enamored with the nostalgia bit?
What's next--the Silent Key Century Club??
w8cbc
01-16-2006, 05:30 AM
n1ir - Some of us like it simple and uncluttered.
Kind of like what's between my ears in the morning.
w4rot
01-16-2006, 06:05 AM
I guess a 50 khz section of the band is somehow impeding the enjoyment of n1ir's experience of the em spectrum. Seems like such a prodigy could figure out how to overcome it...you know for the simpletons.
Guess not,
w4rot
on edit for math error...can not believe i got away with that one
ag4rq
01-16-2006, 06:48 AM
Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 15 2006,21:52)]A: No.
Aren't we getting a little TOO enamored with the nostalgia bit?
What's next--the Silent Key Century Club??
I think I'll take a drive in my '55 T-bird. Then I'll go home and watch Honeymooners reruns on my Muntz TV. After that, I can put some Dion and the Belmonts records on the Victrola. I'm ready for another Subway Series this year. Do you think the B'klyn Dodgers have a chance of winning the Series this year?
Ain't nothing wrong with nostalgia. If you don't like it, spin your VFO. I think the Straight Key thing is a great idea! We don't need any rain on this parade.
n1ir, so what's ur point???
I say YES to the original question.
I would rather use a "bug" or "Iambic" but
its all personal choice.
I have lots of "brass keys"
Some folks don't know the difference between
a "keyer" and and "key"
That point is SAD
Quote[/b] (kd8bsr @ Jan. 15 2006,22:30)]n1ir - Some of us like it simple and uncluttered.
Kind of like what's between my ears in the morning.
Sure; but that's different than being enamored with it.
It's just a switch.
Confessing love for a switch. Think about it.
Quote[/b] (ag4rq @ Jan. 15 2006,23:48)]Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 15 2006,21:52)]A: No.
Aren't we getting a little TOO enamored with the nostalgia bit?
What's next--the Silent Key Century Club??
I think I'll take a drive in my '55 T-bird. Then I'll go home and watch Honeymooners reruns on my Muntz TV. After that, I can put some Dion and the Belmonts records on the Victrola. I'm ready for another Subway Series this year. Do you think the B'klyn Dodgers have a chance of winning the Series this year?
Ain't nothing wrong with nostalgia. If you don't like it, spin your VFO. I think the Straight Key thing is a great idea! We don't need any rain on this parade.
You are comparing a love of a switch with a '55 T-Bird.
You are comparing love of a switch with a harmonic expression with mixylodian temperment.
And so on.
That is SO wrong.
Quote[/b] (NY7Q @ Jan. 16 2006,05:02)]n1ir, so what's ur point???
That point is SAD
It's a switch.
This is a group founded on the love of a switch.
Is this what ham radio has been, should be?
That's my point.
Quote[/b] (NY7Q @ Jan. 16 2006,05:02)]n1ir, so what's ur point???
I say YES to the original question.
I would rather use a "bug" or "Iambic" but
its all personal choice.
I have lots of "brass keys"
Some folks don't know the difference between
a "keyer" and and "key"
That point is SAD
Yeh, I have a couple of straight keys. I've had well over a dozen thru the years. Make that the EARLY years.
I've sent 28 WPM on a straight key. Passing CW traffic on HF. Both now boldly outmoded and out of date.
Great way to get repetitive injury syndrome ('fatigue')--which is why bugs were invented.
Had a nice Kent one--brass- which I sold last Summer for a profit. Figured it needed to be sold before the market died out.
Bugs and paddles make sense. Straight keys are just crude --crude--switches. Accept it. Move on to 2006.
There is NOTHING WRONG with hams having a little fun. #And to the ignorant, it is not a switch we are in love with. #It is an efficient pure basic radio communications method we are in love with. #Saying it is a switch is like saying we sailors are in love with a piece of cloth. #It is not the little thing, it is the whole experience.
As one who tried and failed to master an iambic keyer, it will be a pleasure to go back to a real key for a little while (as long as my wrist will take it.) #Nothing crude about the one here, and it is certainly more modern than voice.
ei5ja
01-16-2006, 03:53 PM
Charlie Whiskey fights back! Great idea.
See you all there when I get back on the air.
73 Ed:rock:
N7COA
01-16-2006, 03:57 PM
Now I have another reason to put aside the old MFJ keyboard and put the Vibroplex paddles to rest for a while. The old GNRR key I've had since Novice days in 1959 still works like a champ and the only thing that gets in the way is arthritis. No speed merchant here.
Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 15 2006,21:52)]A: No.
Aren't we getting a little TOO enamored with the nostalgia bit?
What's next--the Silent Key Century Club??
I think the real proof of great big fuzzy ones is the concept of SKCC/m. That should separate the OMs from the kidz, lidz and space cadets.
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w8cbc
01-16-2006, 04:12 PM
Once I get my copy up to scratch I'll be taking a key mobile.
I made one voice contact this weekend, the regional Sunday afternoon AM thing, most of us run tube gear. That was it. The rest were CW. This has made a dramatic change in my op habits.
Quote[/b] (K4JF @ Jan. 16 2006,08:04)]There is NOTHING WRONG with hams having a little fun. #And to the ignorant, it is not a switch we are in love with. #It is an efficient pure basic radio communications method we are in love with. #Saying it is a switch is like saying we sailors are in love with a piece of cloth. #It is not the little thing, it is the whole experience.
As one who tried and failed to master an iambic keyer, it will be a pleasure to go back to a real key for a little while (as long as my wrist will take it.) #Nothing crude about the one here, and it is certainly more modern than voice.
It's a switch.
CW is fine. Having fun is fine. Using more sophisticated switching systems is fine.
Using even this crude equivalent of a knife switch is fine, too.
Just don't pledge undying love to it. That's weird.
73,
Chip N1IR
Sounds good to me: I'll sign on.
Chip is a bit strange, isn't he?
Thanks for for establishing such a wonderful thing. #I look forward getting my SKCC# and hearing many of you on the air. #FISTS or SKCC both sound like great organizations to inspire new comers and old alike to the wonderful world of CW. Keying with Bug, Str Key, bare wires, or whatever, makes no difference just have fun with it and make new friends.
Thanks
Rob - W8YRB
I love my switch, I am enamored with my switch, sometimes late at night, I will drink a beer or two and cruise for pictures of switches on the internet. I wish my wife had a switch... attached to her audio output.
I pledge my undying love to it. Weird? It's ham radio for cryin' out loud, a little late to be worrying about weird isn't it?
SKCC #53
Quote[/b] (k5co @ Jan. 16 2006,09:33)]Chip is #a bit strange, isn't he?
Apparently, if you define a straight key fetish as normal...
Quote[/b] (WA2LKV @ Jan. 16 2006,11:25)]I love my switch, I am enamored with my switch, sometimes late at night, I will drink a beer or two and cruise for pictures of switches on the internet. I wish my wife had a switch... attached to her audio output.
I pledge my undying love to it. Weird? It's ham radio for cryin' out loud, a little late to be worrying about weird isn't it?
SKCC #53
Heheheh!
;-)
WA3KYY
01-16-2006, 07:14 PM
Quote[/b] (KI4CIA @ Jan. 15 2006,13:10)]50900 ... thanks for pointing that out!! #
You know, there is an ulterior motive in all this ... it is putting all you who have been on keyers and bugs for a humpteen dozen years on a level playing field with us (the new crop) now!! #heeheehee #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
I sure hope you mean 50.090 which is near the top of the CW exclusive region on 6M. 50.900 is way above where even the AMers hang out on 6M.
Now you are going to make me build the little diode circuit I need to have both the paddles and straight key online simultaneously and let the rig figure out which one I'm using.
73,
Mike WA3KYY
KI4CIA
01-16-2006, 08:06 PM
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(I guess you know now which band I DON'T use.)
Ever just have one of those days that will never end? Yes, that's what I meant, but the brain got hung up on 5090 for some reason.
I think I'll go find something else to do for a while that will clear out the cobwebs http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
73,
Melinda
KI4CIA
Quote[/b] (k5co @ Jan. 16 2006,09:33)]Chip is #a bit strange, isn't he?
Yessir. But that's OK. If he wants to miss out on the fun, let him.
Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 16 2006,09:16)]Quote[/b] (K4JF @ Jan. 16 2006,08:04)]There is NOTHING WRONG with hams having a little fun. #And to the ignorant, it is not a switch we are in love with. #It is an efficient pure basic radio communications method we are in love with. #Saying it is a switch is like saying we sailors are in love with a piece of cloth. #It is not the little thing, it is the whole experience.
As one who tried and failed to master an iambic keyer, it will be a pleasure to go back to a real key for a little while (as long as my wrist will take it.) #Nothing crude about the one here, and it is certainly more modern than voice.
It's a switch.
CW is fine. Having fun is fine. Using more sophisticated switching systems is fine.
Using even this crude equivalent of a knife switch is fine, too.
Just don't pledge undying love to it. That's weird.
73,
Chip N1IR
OK, it's a switch. #Certainly most of them are a long way from crude, but you can make an extreme stretch into technicality and class it with switches. #But if you are going to get that technical, your computer is just a whole bunch of switches. #That's undeniable, because that's what binary is.
Again, the love is with the whole communications medium, not just the device that makes it possible. #
(But for your own safety do NOT get on a sailboat and tell the owner it is just a rag of cloth!! #Same thing. Sailors tend to get a little more physical than hams.)
Quote[/b] (KI4CIA @ Jan. 08 2006,20:03)]For membership, please email Tom, KC9ECI (tom@galesvillefiredepartment.org). #
73,
KC9ECI, Tom Peterson (SKCC # 1)
KI4CIA, Melinda Alsobrook (SKCC # 2)
OK, you wanna give us an email address for Tom? QRZ sez "not found on this server".
Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 16 2006,09:16)]It's a switch.
CW is fine. Having fun is fine. Using more sophisticated switching systems is fine.
Using even this crude equivalent of a knife switch is fine, too.
Just don't pledge undying love to it. That's weird.
73,
Chip N1IR
Chip,
Your hyperbole is tiring. No one has professed "undying love" to a straight key. Nor anything even close to that. That's a straw man arguement and you know it. How many times are you going to declare "it's just a switch?" Ever hear of live and let live?
Quote[/b] ]No one has professed "undying love" to a straight key.
Wrong, I did.
It's not Morse Code...It's Retro-Digital, the new digital mode of choice.
SKCC# 53
k1fpv
01-16-2006, 09:18 PM
What is all the fuss about? Geeeeze ! I'll still have fun using "Original Digital" with my straight key.
K1FPV
SKCC # 199
FISTS # 10418
KC9ECI
01-16-2006, 10:22 PM
Quote[/b] (K4JF @ Jan. 16 2006,15:39)]Quote[/b] (KI4CIA @ Jan. 08 2006,20:03)]For membership, please email Tom, KC9ECI (tom@galesvillefiredepartment.org). #
73,
KC9ECI, Tom Peterson (SKCC # 1)
KI4CIA, Melinda Alsobrook (SKCC # 2)
OK, you wanna give us an email address for Tom? #QRZ sez "not found on this server".
tom@galesvillefiredepartment.org
You can get more info about this group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/skcc/
ab8ma
01-16-2006, 10:26 PM
Quote[/b] (k1fpv @ Jan. 16 2006,21:18)]What is all the fuss about? Geeeeze ! #I'll still have fun using "Original Digital" with my straight key.
K1FPV
SKCC # 199
FISTS # 10418
That's the point I think the Chipster is trying to make.
You are wrong for having fun. That's weird.
Wrong, Period.
WA5VQM
01-16-2006, 10:35 PM
Quote[/b] (kd8bsr @ Jan. 15 2006,20:42)]Something woke up the Novice segment in 80, that's for sure. It used to be, I could call in there all night and nothing. Now I got people calling me a LID and everything. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Nice to hear some activity up there. I've heard BSR & CIA already working each other and others.
I tried calling CQ on 7120 Sat nite but there were no takers.
My 80M is only a db or two better than a dummy load but will give it a try on or about 3720 this week.
Noise floor is waaaay up there.
Gee, people enjoying CW, who woulda thunk it!
Mark
ag4rq
01-16-2006, 10:57 PM
Quote[/b] (ab8ma @ Jan. 16 2006,15:26)]Quote[/b] (k1fpv @ Jan. 16 2006,21:18)]What is all the fuss about? Geeeeze ! #I'll still have fun using "Original Digital" with my straight key.
K1FPV
SKCC # 199
FISTS # 10418
That's the point I think the Chipster is trying to make.
You are wrong for having fun. That's weird.
Wrong, Period.
Chip is just trying to tell us how stupid it is to have fun. Just look at all the idiots who go camping. They leave the comfort of home to sleep outdoors in tents and sleeping bags. How asinine! They risk getting bitten by snakes, bugs and wild animals, when they could have all the comforts of home. Why cook over an open fire when microwaves are so much easier?
Also, there are the idiots that go hang gliding. Flying on a commercial airliner is a lot safer. Oops! I forgot about the risk that terrorists may hijack your plane and slam it into a building. I guess hang gliding is not that stupid, after all.
What about those who go horseback riding? Isn't that a stupid thing to do? Talk about nostalgia and living in the past! The automobile replaced the horse a century ago.
How about those who use a treadmill? There's a real dumb thing to do! You're burning up all that energy and you're not even going anywhere. Go take a walk outside, or better yet, use your car if you want to go somewhere.
How about this for stupidity? You have a bunch of men on a grassy field. First they bend over. Then they fight. Then the man in the striped pajamas comes to break up the fight. They call it football, even though the ball is seldomly kicked.
Just a switch? Without switches, this world would be in a lot of trouble. Just about everything in the world functions because it has switches.
Now, the one last thing I'll do when I post this is to use the switch that's attached to my left mouse button when I click the button that says "Add Reply".
Well, i AM a little weird to begin with...i collect these switches. i have a bunch of them. some collect stamps (just a small paper square), some collect old coins (little metal discs), some collect dolls (ok, that IS weird to me)...so i like these goofy little switches.
I cant explain why, but then lets not forget...Chip clicked on to the thread to see what it was all about. and i've read other posts hes made on many other threads...he enjoys throwing firecrackers into the cattle herd now and again.
Chip is right, it is just a switch...we all know this, but a key or a bug takes more skill to use with any semblence of flow or rhythm than a keyboard. Im a musician, i know some guys who love drums for the feeling they get when they use them....and wouldnt dream of using preprogrammed computer drum tracks to do something they spent so much time trying to master. besides, they like it....so what.
Chip, its ok buddy...leave us weirdos with our switches and we promise not to bother you.
ill add on to this...i just read Chips bio...and i WANT to like him...the picture says it all (by the way, only jazz cats still 'shred')...i also read that hes disillusioned with DXing, no sweat...im the same way with the record industry.
He seems like quite an accomplished guy...and we all spent a little more time talking about Chip than straight keys...2 posts in a row about Chip from me alone, heh heh.
A PhD, honor roll, etc...hes ok from anyones perspective...now that we all know Chip a little better (read his bio), we can all get back to talking about keys and bugs, which i like a lot.
....now, where were we?...
Well now that I know Chip thinks this is a bad idea, I think I'll give it a shot. Actually the first set of paddles I built was two J38s mounted sideways. Now if I can just find that thing and take it apart......
Thanks Guys (and Gal)! 73 de Mike w3mz
P.S. Hey Joe Montana, it's just a football!
Quote[/b] (N7YA @ Jan. 16 2006,16:34)]Chip, its ok buddy...leave us weirdos with our switches and we promise not to bother you.
I will hold you to that.
Chip N1IR
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"Better shred than dead".
Home of chicken pickin staccato explosions from the STRAT-O-MASTER.
Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 16 2006,20:20)]"Better shred than dead".
Home of chicken pickin staccato explosions from the STRAT-O-MASTER.
...oh geez...i met a million guys like you at guitar center...you damn well better be good.
w8cbc
01-17-2006, 04:34 AM
3720 +/- was bangin' tonight. If you guys had quit arguing long enough to get on the air... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
I did my share. A bit over 1/2-hour with n0hsy at 3716. Chirp chirp. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
I actually was on the air while i was typing, ill keep it on topic from here...i was on 80 for a bit but only heard a really loud W6.
Oh how i long for the return of the cycle...theres a steady S9 noise floor here on the low bands, and i have a 20 meter indoor loop that tunes on 80 with a little persuasion...but its poop for RX. its a little better on 40...but not much to talk to there...ill try it again until i get one of you!!
I need to get my yahoo account going with my call so i can get my number. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
w8cbc
01-17-2006, 05:28 AM
I well know the restricted-aerial situation!
I'm getting away with that 90-ft wire. I expect any day to be told to reel it in and never string it out there again. Then it'll be back to the zigzag and its almost complete lack of ERP below 7 MC. So I'm enjoying what I can while I can.
I hear ya! I have gotten quite good at hiding wires...yes, enjoy that 90 foot wire for as long as you can! I was on the air once in an apartment complex when i heard some rattling around...it was the complex manager and the groundskeeper pulling my V out of the tree by the end weights...i had to run out there and take it down. They had no idea what it was and i didnt want to tell them! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
One of these days i will get my dream home...a simple cabin in the mountains, by a lake, and a nice plot of land on solid bedrock (no oil under it or near a pass to put a freeway through) and up will go the mega-wire system! until then...its an apartment on the Vegas strip.
well, i just tried 7120...S9 noise level with a carrier in there to boot, so i tuned around either side but heard nothing...even called CQ, nada.
Ill try it again tomorrow.
w8cbc
01-17-2006, 06:13 AM
I think my worst problems in this apartment here stem from the impossibility of a decent RF ground. I make do with a crow's foot on the balcony floor. Otherwise - third floor - even the cold water pipes get resonant at some frequencies, RF on everything, you get the picture I'm sure.
I'm countin' the days 'til mid April when I head for northeast VE3 and my thousand-ft wire. My ground system there runs into the river. A week of RF paradise, that. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
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Just to stay on topic... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
I'll be bringin' the J38 along natch. 30 and 80 metres with no distractions save for feeding the wood stove every hour or so.
w5alt
01-17-2006, 11:26 AM
Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 16 2006,23:20)]Quote[/b] (N7YA @ Jan. 16 2006,16:34)]Chip, its ok buddy...leave us weirdos with our switches and we promise not to bother you.
I will hold you to that.
How's that saying go?
It's better to have loved and switched than to never have switched at all. ... or something like that?
Quote[/b] (N7YA @ Jan. 16 2006,20:48)]Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 16 2006,20:20)]"Better shred than dead".
Home of chicken pickin staccato explosions from the STRAT-O-MASTER.
...oh geez...i met a million guys like you at guitar center...you damn well better be good.
Very.
But after you made this a personal attack rather than a lively discussion on a fetish--you will never know. Unless you buy the CD. And I won't sell it to you.
And I am not disillusioned by DX. It says: 'DX isn't what it used to be..." It is an observation of DX'ing in a temporally comparitive way. Not my feelings on whether I like it any more or not. That is hardly the same thing. Where do you come up with these things?!
I don't hang at GC. Stop guessing who I am.
Quote[/b] (w5alt @ Jan. 17 2006,04:26)]Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 16 2006,23:20)]Quote[/b] (N7YA @ Jan. 16 2006,16:34)]Chip, its ok buddy...leave us weirdos with our switches and we promise not to bother you.
I will hold you to that.
How's that saying go?
It's better to have loved and switched than to never have switched at all. # ... or something like that?
Heheh! :-)
Strat-O-Master!!??
Oh go on with yourself...real men play Telecasters!
wa4gch
01-17-2006, 01:34 PM
As long as you keep off SSB calling frequencies have fun and BTY this weekend is the VHF contest .....
Ill be on ....:)
w8cbc
01-17-2006, 01:34 PM
I slip-cue 45s with the best of 'em. I'm baaaaad on the wheels. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
What sucks of course is, everything on-air (broadcast) is done from a freaking computer nowadays. Much has been lost.
Quote[/b] (WA2LKV @ Jan. 17 2006,06:26)]Strat-O-Master!!??
Oh go on with yourself...real men play Telecasters!
Look at the pix on my look-up.
That's a silver Tele with a custom Bigsby and a nitro neck. Custom Humbucker at neck PU. I lent it out to the Pernice Bros, who are doing a session now. I have it's clone as a gold-top.
I play both Tele and Strat. And a Harmony Rocket. Main playing g's at moment.
Tele-master instead ;-)?
Quote[/b] ]Tele-master instead ;-)?
RIGHT ON brother! I wasn't so sure about you after your switch assertions but now you get a free pass. Cool guitar, cool hat, and blue skin to boot.
Hey, do you know Bob Davis out of Gloucester.
Man this thread has swerved. If it helps; Telecaster is the J-38 of the music world.
WA5VQM
01-17-2006, 02:49 PM
Quote[/b] (WA2LKV @ Jan. 17 2006,06:53)]Quote[/b] ]Tele-master instead ;-)?
RIGHT ON brother! I wasn't so sure about you after your switch assertions but now you get a free pass. Cool guitar, cool hat, and blue skin to boot.
Hey, do you know Bob Davis out of Gloucester.
Man this thread has swerved. If it helps; Telecaster is the J-38 of the music world.
Wow, I have a Strat, a Tele, and a J-38!
I also have a Rickenbacker....
Mark
WA5VQM
01-17-2006, 02:52 PM
Quote[/b] (kd8bsr @ Jan. 16 2006,21:34)]3720 +/- was bangin' tonight. If you guys had quit arguing long enough to get on the air... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
I did my share. A bit over 1/2-hour with n0hsy at 3716. Chirp chirp. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Yes it was. I had a nice QSO with KD8AKW who has a homebrew transmitter and a homebrew key! I felt like an appliance operator with my Hallicrafters HT-37 and J-38! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
QRM eventually got us. QRM? On 3720? I'd say this SKCC thing is stirring up some activity.
Mark
ag4rq
01-17-2006, 02:53 PM
switch (swich) #n., v. <switched, switch-ing>
# # # # # # #n.
# # # # # # # # #1. #a slender, flexible shoot, rod, etc.,
# # # # # # # # # # # used esp. in whipping or disciplining.
# # # # # # # # #2. #the act of whipping or beating with or as
# # # # # # # # # # # if with such an object; a stroke, lash,
# # # # # # # # # # # or whisking movement.
# # # # # # # # #3. #a bunch or tress of long hair or some
# # # # # # # # # # # substitute, worn by women to supplement
# # # # # # # # # # # their own hair.
# # # # # # # # #4. #a device for turning on or off or
# # # # # # # # # # # directing an electric current or for
# # # # # # # # # # # making or breaking a circuit.
# # # # # # # # #5. #a track structure for diverting moving
# # # # # # # # # # # trains or rolling stock from one track
# # # # # # # # # # # to another.
# # # # # # # # #6. #a turning, shifting, or changing.
# # # # # # # # #7. #a tuft of hair at the end of the tail of
# # # # # # # # # # # some animals.
# # # # # # #v.t.
# # # # # # # # #8. #to whip or beat with a switch or the like.
# # # # # # # # #9. #to move, swing, or whisk (a cane, a
# # # # # # # # # # # fishing line, etc.) with a swift,
# # # # # # # # # # # lashing stroke.
# # # # # # # #10. #to change or exchange.
# # # # # # # #11. #to turn, shift, or divert: to switch the
# # # # # # # # # # # subject.
# # # # # # # #12. #to connect, disconnect, or redirect (an
# # # # # # # # # # # electric circuit or the device it
# # # # # # # # # # # serves) by operating a switch (often
# # # # # # # # # # # fol. by off or on).
# # # # # # # #13. #a. #to move or transfer (a train, car,
# # # # # # # # # # # # # #etc.) from one set of tracks to
# # # # # # # # # # # # # #another.
# # # # # # # # # # # b. #to drop or add (cars) or to make up
# # # # # # # # # # # # # #(a train).
# # # # # # #v.i.
# # # # # # # #14. #to strike with or as if with a switch.
# # # # # # # #15. #to change, as direction or course; turn or
# # # # # # # # # # # shift: to switch to another road.
# # # # # # # #16. #to exchange or replace something with
# # # # # # # # # # # another.
# # # # # # # #17. #to move back and forth briskly, as a cat's
# # # # # # # # # # # tail.
# # # # # # # #18. #to be shifted, turned, etc., by means of a
# # # # # # # # # # # switch.
# # # # # # [1585-95; earlier swits, switz slender riding
# # # # # # whip, flexible stick; cf. LG (Hannover) schwutsche
# # # # # # long, thin stick]
# Derived words
# # # # # # --switch'er, n.
Quote[/b] (WA5VQM @ Jan. 16 2006,15:35)]Gee, people enjoying CW, who woulda thunk it!
Mark
Shhhhh.... can't say that on QRZ.com. You'll get all kinds of angry retorts!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
w8cbc
01-17-2006, 03:36 PM
Quote[/b] (WA5VQM @ Jan. 17 2006,07:52)]Yes it was. I had a nice QSO with KD8AKW who has a homebrew transmitter and a homebrew key! I felt like an appliance operator with my Hallicrafters HT-37 and J-38! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
QRM eventually got us. QRM? On 3720? I'd say this SKCC thing is stirring up some activity.
Mark
I heard you guys! I waited and waited and waited... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Then I went down to 3716 and answered n0hsy's CQ.
AKW attracted my attention because he chirps just like I do, if downward instead of upward. He was 599, you were about 469.
I heard all the QRM surrounding 3720 too. Amazing. The R392 and my ears couldn't separate all those signals.
W5HTW
01-17-2006, 04:19 PM
Quote[/b] (WA2LKV @ Jan. 17 2006,06:53)]Quote[/b] ]Tele-master instead ;-)?
RIGHT ON brother! I wasn't so sure about you after your switch assertions but now you get a free pass. Cool guitar, cool hat, and blue skin to boot.
Hey, do you know Bob Davis out of Gloucester.
Man this thread has swerved. If it helps; Telecaster is the J-38 of the music world.
Nope. Martin is the J-38 of the guitar world. But I did Telecaster for years. Briefly owned an original Strat, but that was when I was young, which was like 1959. Spent a lot of my time, though, on a Les Paul, and had a neat Gretch, but didn't use it a lot. Got too poor to own multiple guitars. Sold it all but the Paul, and eventually sold that, too.
Ain't a-gonna sell thet thar J-38, though! It's gonna be glued to my mitts when I'm buried. May wanta send an SOS from Beyond.
Ed
WA5VQM
01-17-2006, 04:22 PM
Quote[/b] (kd8bsr @ Jan. 17 2006,08:36)]Quote[/b] (WA5VQM @ Jan. 17 2006,07:52)]Yes it was. I had a nice QSO with KD8AKW who has a homebrew transmitter and a homebrew key! I felt like an appliance operator with my Hallicrafters HT-37 and J-38! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
QRM eventually got us. QRM? On 3720? I'd say this SKCC thing is stirring up some activity.
Mark
I heard you guys! I waited and waited and waited... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Then I went down to 3716 and answered n0hsy's CQ.
AKW attracted my attention because he chirps just like I do, if downward instead of upward. He was 599, you were about 469.
I heard all the QRM surrounding 3720 too. Amazing. The R392 and my ears couldn't separate all those signals.
I know about the waiting, I'd heard you and CIA the last several nights and was hoping to catch you both. We'll get there eventually.
Lots of interesting signals on the bands. I'm sure my HT-37 was drifting a bit as well.
I'm happy with a 469 considering my worm-burner 80M antenna. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
73, Mark
aa1mn
01-17-2006, 05:01 PM
Quote[/b] ]A: No.
Aren't we getting a little TOO enamored with the nostalgia bit?
What's next--the Silent Key Century Club??
Answer: No to all of the above as well.
Actually, Chip, your idea of starting a "Silent Key Century Club" isn't such a bad idea after all. Did you notice that the ones who posted that they have been using straight keys or have been collecting them have been doing so for decades?
Got me to wondering how old these people were so I checked their detailed info here on QRZ.com ... seems most of 'em aren't long for the grave, anyways.
If you're willing, Chip, I'd be willing to go into this with ya as a 50/50 split so long as we charge 'em $100.00 for membership fee. Laugh if you will if think it won't work ... but consider before you judge too harshly that "Heaven's Gate" got a bunch of followers, too.
Chuck, AA1MN
wa4gch
01-17-2006, 05:53 PM
"Shhhhh.... can't say that on QRZ.com. You'll get all kinds of angry retorts!! "
Realy?
I think it's GREAT that a group of CW guys are out there having fun the diffrence here is it's a group of people who WANT to have fun with code.
Most posts on QRZ are the REQUIREMENT that we all learn code and this soon will be solved one way or the other.......
Have fun! and I'll keep my J-38 near buy and my FT-840 ready ( with the cw filter on and the DSP set to sharp ) just incase someone goes slow enough for me to read them .......
Bruce
on 6 since 66
SMIRK# 70
QCWA
OOTC
and Life member ARRL ( Yep still costing them money )
KI4CIA
01-17-2006, 06:24 PM
Quote[/b] (WA5VQM @ Jan. 17 2006,09:22)]I know about the waiting, I'd heard you and CIA the last several nights and was hoping to catch you both. We'll get there eventually.
Lots of interesting signals on the bands. I'm sure my HT-37 was drifting a bit as well.
I'm happy with a 469 considering my worm-burner 80M antenna. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
73, Mark
Hi Mark,
If you hear me again, better set your clock for about an hour or so then check back http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif It's like fishing, once you reel one in you don't want to let it go ...
I started training on the CW traffic handling last night, so catching me on 80 at night is going to be tough for a little while. I'll be around 3702 / 3698 most nights "training" from about 8:00 to 9:00 or so (central time), then some nights it will be up to 3721 for the Kentucky Slow Speed Net at 9:00 central. I'll be scanning from sometime after 7:00 to about close to 8:00 listening for someone calling CQ or to see whose out there.
If I take a night off (I occassionally have to) I'll be sure and come up to 3720 and say "hi".
Speaking of 3720 ... didn't realize it until Saturday night but there is a slow speed training net held at 9:00 central each night on 3721. These guys have moved frequency before if it's already in use, but just wanted to give you a heads up in case you hadn't already noticed. I've heard a couple of check-ins that weren't quite zero-beat so they were probably using older rigs that "waiver" just a bit. You'll probably hear of some of them joining SKCC, I've already gotten a couple of emails to that effect http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
And I think my speed's picking up too ... listened to the "pros" on the section net one night this week and they didn't sound quite so fast as before ... even picked out a few call signs!
73,
Melinda
kc2egl
01-17-2006, 06:36 PM
Quote[/b] (k5co @ Jan. 16 2006,09:33)]Chip is #a bit strange, isn't he?
That is a understatement. He has decided to rain on what seems to be a very fast growing parade.
ab8ma
01-17-2006, 06:44 PM
Quote[/b] (ag4rq @ Jan. 17 2006,14:53)]# # # # # # [1585-95; earlier swits, switz slender riding
# # # # # # whip, flexible stick; cf. LG (Hannover)
Wow. CW is much older than I thought! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
wd4ptj
01-17-2006, 08:44 PM
just got my skcc # ( 373 ) hope to work some of you on my chinese army surplus key. glad to see this club get started.
Quote[/b] (ab8ma @ Jan. 17 2006,11:44)]Quote[/b] (ag4rq @ Jan. 17 2006,14:53)]# # # # # # [1585-95; earlier swits, switz slender riding
# # # # # # whip, flexible stick; cf. LG (Hannover)
Wow. CW is much older than I thought! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Still not as old as voice. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
KC8RLP
01-18-2006, 12:37 AM
Hi Tom. Just joined the Yahoo group. Your original post here on QRZ states the first of every month for SKCC. But reading the posts it sounds like SKCC wil be a busy thing. I am working to get my code back to some sort of speed again,have't used the mode for quite awhile. Need the pratice. I will be on a mission trip to Haiti in June. I am hoping to get some operating time in while I am there. Making SKCC contacts from Haiti would be a very cool thing.
k1fpv
01-18-2006, 01:19 AM
Well.....cudos to KI4CIA and to KC9ECI for re-kindling memories of times when I first obtained my novice license back in the early 60's. I was struggling using my old $3.95 hand key to get my code speed up. At that time, the novice license was good for just one year, and if you didn't upgrade to General or Technician, you were out of Ham Radio.
It is amazing how radidly one's code speed increases when operating CW often. For 10 months, all I did as a novice was operate CW...and when I took my General exam at the FCC field office, I was able to copy over 20 WPM.
Keep up the good work folks.....see you on the SKCC frequencies.
Bill
K1FPV
SKCC # 199
FISTS # 10418
w8cbc
01-18-2006, 01:29 AM
RLP - You're in good company. Many of us are either rusty or, as in my case, newbs. We're helping each other with the proficiency. Mine has picked up greatly in just the last few weeks.
I'm determined to earn that 13 WPM certificate. The next qualifying run from W1AW may be it. I managed to copy 10 WPM on the 6th and have done a lot of operating since.
Quote[/b] (kd8bsr @ Jan. 16 2006,23:13)]I think my worst problems in this apartment here stem from the impossibility of a decent RF ground. I make do with a crow's foot on the balcony floor. Otherwise - third floor - even the cold water pipes get resonant at some frequencies, RF on everything, you get the picture I'm sure.
I'm countin' the days 'til mid April when I head for northeast VE3 and my thousand-ft wire. My ground system there runs into the river. A week of RF paradise, that. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
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Just to stay on topic... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
I'll be bringin' the J38 along natch. 30 and 80 metres with no distractions save for feeding the wood stove every hour or so.
A 1000' wire?? and a river to ground it in??? i dream about that...matches with my dream home scenario.
Right now, the apartment i live in has fire heads in every room...im not kidding, the closet, porch, bathroom, everywhere...i was concerned about tripping them off with RF energy or something so i did my research into how these things work. ive been ok so far. :-)
I have a J-36 and a J-38...the 36 is a great key...like a pickup truck or an old dog, just plain reliable. my J-38 stopped keying...theres a break in the system somewhere and i cant find it, so i have to do surgery. its a smooth bug and i will have it back up and running soon.
I singed on to yahoo last night...and i put in for my number too, hope to see you guys there soon.
oops...36 and 38...stop, reverse that...ok...carry on...
w8cbc
01-18-2006, 01:54 AM
Heh. I ran the wire and put down the ground last October. That was the first time I ever managed to pull in the European longwave broadcast stations! The wire's fairly low so its results in 160 are okay but not spectacular. It has a funky radiation pattern in 80 metres, there are some deep nulls, one of which is unfortunately toward Cincinnati. For 40 and shorter - a Monster! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif I worked lots of Europe in 15 metres. A 21-wavelength wire really does work for transmitting.
I'm QZZ tonight (see my first definition in the "Q signals" thread) (on the weekend, the second definition applies, heehee) so I may try 3720 +/- while dinner's cooking but I won't persist. 0245 GMT give or take. Chirp chirp.
21 wavelength...heh heh, thats ridiculous!! Im envious! I read a few years back about an op out in OX land who runs a 7500' cable in a straight line out onto the icepack elevated up on telephone poles...that always stayed with me. i can imagine what his RX is like. i would imagine military applications, but for me, i would enjoy some topband work with that setup.
I am on 7120 right now...nothing doing there...but i will move to 80 in about 15 minutes and see if i can grab you there....i now have an SKCC number and didnt even know it. :-)
If nothing happens there...i will call it dinner time as well.
73...Adam, N7YA
skcc #410
Wow, Chip has me motivated. If he thinks it's stupid, then I'm definately on board.
Found the old Nye Viking master key. Some cleaning, a little practice, and I'm ready for some serious "switching".
A great idea, and it might slow down the speed a bit so some folks can work on their copy.
By the way Chip, my boat has sails, so I am really out of it. Once gas is $7.00 a gallon, I may be looking for a horse.
73 - Bob
SKCC #358
dont egg him on...hes really sensitive. heh heh
wr1tx
01-18-2006, 04:24 AM
Just worked KS4HE on 3.720 for my 1st SKCC QSO. I'm hearing some faint CW in the background, but too much QRN right now.
Chip is only trying to tick us off, but he doesn't realize what he's missing! I think I'll go for the SKCC WAS; this will also help me work for my ARRL WAS on CW!
Warren / WR1TX
SKCC #228
Quote[/b] (wr1tx @ Jan. 17 2006,21:24)]Just worked KS4HE on 3.720 for my 1st SKCC QSO. I'm hearing some faint CW in the background, but too much QRN right now.
Chip is only trying to tick us off, but he doesn't realize what he's missing! I think I'll go for the SKCC WAS; this will also help me work for my ARRL WAS on CW!
Warren / WR1TX
SKCC #228
Yep, it is fun to get that old Viking key going.
I found that radio shack has a Headphone plug adapter:
Model 274-894 $5.99
1 male 1/4" into the Radio and two females for the Iambic and the Viking key. My straight key has a 3 cond. phone jack already, so they can both be pluged in.
I will be able to switch at the push of the keyer button on the radio.
The Viking key works pretty good, but sure is ugly. Checking the J-38's on EBay. Is that a fetish?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
73 - Bob SKCC #358
w8cbc
01-18-2006, 06:17 AM
Quote[/b] (N7YA @ Jan. 17 2006,19:34)]21 wavelength...heh heh, thats ridiculous!! Im envious! I read a few years back about an op out in OX land who runs a 7500' cable in a straight line out onto the icepack elevated up on telephone poles...that always stayed with me. i can imagine what his RX is like. i would imagine military applications, but for me, i would enjoy some topband work with that setup.
I am on 7120 right now...nothing doing there...but i will move to 80 in about 15 minutes and see if i can grab you there....i now have an SKCC number and didnt even know it. :-)
If nothing happens there...i will call it dinner time as well.
73...Adam, N7YA
skcc #410
I had to give up on 80 metres, it just wasn't working here.
I played tag with Gordon around the QSB in 40 though. That was fun.
A funny thing about that wire. One of the Europeans I worked (CT1IZU in Portugal) in 15 metres was also running a thousand-ft. wire! His was off-centre-fed, mine was end-fed, both were putting hot signals into one another.
An easy way to remember BTW - 1000 ft. is 305 metres = just a gnat's arse over 1 wavelength at 1 MC. So the length in wavelengths is essentially the frequency in MC.
As for 7500 ft. up on telephone poles - now I'm envious! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif That dude could do longwave and still have wire to spare.
I'm glad some of you are having fun.
Now: can you also R-E-A-D?
I didn't SAY 'don't have fun'; 'don't use CW'.
I SAID keep your hand key fetish under wraps.
If you don't have one...well, then is THIS your motivation for mis-representing my statements?
Or is it a 21st century ham thing?
Here's a good question for you--why wasn't there a SKCC, say, 20 years ago, 40 years ago?
What has CHANGED about ham radio to make this something --NOW?
ka5pat
01-18-2006, 03:41 PM
Hi Tom, de KA5PAT, Pat fm Los Lunas NM. I was first licensed in 1957 while in the military, WA2DNN. I purchased a Vibroplex key in 1960 or 61. Lost the license five years later because of non active status. Just got back in Ham radio in March of 2003 with the vanity call KA5PAT. That is the only key I use, or ever have used. Sounds like a good idea, count me in.:laugh:
Quote[/b] ]What has CHANGED about ham radio to make this something --NOW?
I told you daddy-O, it's all the rage now. CW is coming back. Even Bonnie is gonna be doing it soon.
They don't call it CW anymore. It's new (kind of), it's hip....it's Retro-Digital.
Quote[/b] (K8HUR @ Jan. 18 2006,09:23)]I've been a ham fer 47 yrs, but wait a minute, the suggested frequencies are all in the Extra #only sub-bands and I'm an Advance. Oh well, another reason I don't support or belong to any ham organizations. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
Which of those frequencies are in the "Extra" sub bands?
3720 certainly isn't
7120 is in the Novice band
21120 is in the novice band
I don't see a single on in an "Extra" sub band.
w8cbc
01-18-2006, 04:29 PM
n1ir: Quote[/b] ]Here's a good question for you--why wasn't there a SKCC, say, 20 years ago, 40 years ago?
What has CHANGED about ham radio to make this something --NOW?
That is something to ponder. I rather think the changing climate in the hobby has something to do with it. We're surrounded by the latest-and-greatest in a continually accelerating pace of change and might like to take time out from it and get back to basics.
I liken it to taking the '72 Valiant for a spin one weekend, realising it's still a practical car and a nice ride despite its lack of gadgets and automatics, and winding up driving it every day just because.
K8BBE
01-18-2006, 06:14 PM
I would like to get Four numbers for the following:
W8KYK Club Station
K8BBE Chuck Girt
KA8CRF Barbara Girt
N8ZDS Charles Girt Jr.
We all enjoy CW, and believe it will be fun. Just so happens
I still have my old H/B Novice transmitter sitting on 3720.
Sounds like CW may not be dead after all..
Hope to hear all of you.
KI4CIA
01-18-2006, 06:43 PM
Hi Chuck,
I've sent your information to Tom, KC9ECI, so you should be getting a SKCC number in a day or two.
Thanks and welcome aboard http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Also, we are now up to 504 members, 508 once Chuck and gang gets their numbers.
73,
Melinda / KI4CIA
Why the attachment to the Straight Key?
I think that many of us long for the day when Amateur Radio was just that, Amateur Radio. When communcations were simple, the equipment we used was simple. For the day when a knowledge of electronics and electronic theory was the norm and not the exception. The day when antennas were made by the Ham and not bought from a store. The day when one decided to become a Ham and simply went to work and made it happen.
we did go to work and make it happen...and "back in the day" there wasnt as many modes to chose from...im sure you recall.
Who cares, we like keys...its fun...whats with you guys with all the scrooge stuff???!!!
Quote[/b] (N7YA @ Jan. 18 2006,13:44)]we did go to work and make it happen...and "back in the day" there wasnt as many modes to chose from...im sure you recall.
Who cares, we like keys...its fun...whats with you guys with all the scrooge stuff???!!!
"scrooge stuff"http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?
w4rot
01-18-2006, 09:29 PM
Quote[/b] ]it's Retro-Digital.
like..i can dig it.
w4rot
W5HTW
01-18-2006, 09:30 PM
Quote[/b] (kd8bsr @ Jan. 18 2006,09:29)]n1ir: Quote[/b] ]Here's a good question for you--why wasn't there a SKCC, say, 20 years ago, 40 years ago?
What has CHANGED about ham radio to make this something --NOW?
Musta been some other radio service. Forty years ago many thousands of us were doing straight keys. Nightly. Didn't need a club - we WERE a club: the fraternity of ham radio.
Twenty years ago, though, there were too many people fighting to get rid of CW (nor Morse - CW) but there were still a heck of a lot of guys and gals on CW.
How times change
Ed
k1fpv
01-18-2006, 09:31 PM
Quote[/b] (K8HUR @ Jan. 18 2006,09:23)]I've been a ham fer 47 yrs, but wait a minute, the suggested frequencies are all in the Extra only sub-bands and I'm an Advance. Oh well, another reason I don't support or belong to any ham organizations. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
None of those recommended frequencies are in the Extra portions of the band! Check out this web site for the frequency allocations.
http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/bands.html
73,
Bill
K1FPV
k9ekg
01-18-2006, 09:42 PM
Quote[/b] (KI4CIA @ Jan. 08 2006,20:03)]Have you ever wished that Straight Key Night would go on and on and on? #
Have you ever wished for other incentives to dig out your old straight key or old bug and knock the dust off? #
Ever wished they had a Straight Key Night more than once a year? #
No....sounds interesting though
kb9ygd
01-18-2006, 10:16 PM
[B]I Like This Idea.Its Abt time.Tnx e s 73 de kb9ygdMy Webpage (http://mysite.verizon.net/res868sp/thetriantafilosfamily/index.html)
Quote[/b] (W5HTW @ Jan. 18 2006,14:30)]Quote[/b] (kd8bsr @ Jan. 18 2006,09:29)]n1ir: Quote[/b] ]Here's a good question for you--why wasn't there a SKCC, say, 20 years ago, 40 years ago?
What has CHANGED about ham radio to make this something --NOW?
Musta been some other radio service. #Forty years ago many thousands of us were doing straight keys. #Nightly. #Didn't need a club - we WERE a club: the fraternity of ham radio.
Twenty years ago, though, there were too many people fighting to get rid of CW (nor Morse - CW) but there were still a heck of a lot of guys and gals on CW. #
How times change
Ed
Exactly the point.
It's 2006...
CW is fine. Ragchewing is fine. Using a key for the sake of using a key is really nerdy, IMO.
w8cbc
01-19-2006, 12:10 AM
Awww, give it a rest, huh?
I'm dead certain that the majority of us couldn't give two electrons what you think of it; I have had plenty enough already of people telling me what I'm supposed to be "in to". I drive my old cars, play my old albums and 45s, run my old tube radios, and chirp away on them with my old J-38, and don't care one whit whether or not anyone "approves".
ab8ma
01-19-2006, 12:12 AM
Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 19 2006,00:00)]Quote[/b] (W5HTW @ Jan. 18 2006,14:30)]Quote[/b] (kd8bsr @ Jan. 18 2006,09:29)]n1ir: Quote[/b] ]Here's a good question for you--why wasn't there a SKCC, say, 20 years ago, 40 years ago?
What has CHANGED about ham radio to make this something --NOW?
Musta been some other radio service. #Forty years ago many thousands of us were doing straight keys. #Nightly. #Didn't need a club - we WERE a club: the fraternity of ham radio.
Twenty years ago, though, there were too many people fighting to get rid of CW (nor Morse - CW) but there were still a heck of a lot of guys and gals on CW. #
How times change
Ed
Exactly the point.
It's 2006...
CW is fine. Ragchewing is fine. Using a key for the sake of using a key is really nerdy, IMO.
"Didn't need a club - we WERE a club: the fraternity of ham radio."
I think that applies to everybody here as well. Thank you, Chip N1IR, for being here.
I would say the above quote should say "we ARE a club".
Quote[/b] (W5HTW @ Jan. 18 2006,14:30)]Forty years ago many thousands of us were doing straight keys. #Nightly. #Didn't need a club - we WERE a club: the fraternity of ham radio.
Ed
Yep, Ed, you're right. #That's how I got my WAS. #Straight key and 40 watts on 2 bands with a DX-40. #Great fun! Started trying to use a keyer and paddles about 7 or 8 years ago. It is so unnatural and difficult to learn that I basically lost interest in CW. Maybe this will bring it back, if my wrist will hold up!
w4nti
01-19-2006, 03:00 AM
Quote[/b] (W9JDH @ Jan. 15 2006,13:41)]The founders of this group SKCC need to be commended for their hard work. With all the bandwidth and spectrum issues going on, maybe this will get CW going again.
Even with band conditions being poor lately, the new CW activity even in the Novice portions are alive and well. Hopefully the word will spread and get some newcomers interested in the art of CW!
73,
W9JDH, # SKCC ##80
CW--AN ENDANGERED SPECIES??
You act like CW is dead. Sorry, ain't so. I am glad to see a group getting going that supports straight keys and Bugs tho. That's real CW.
Dan/W4NTI
WA5VQM
01-19-2006, 03:37 AM
Quote[/b] (kd8bsr @ Jan. 18 2006,17:10)]Awww, give it a rest, huh?
I'm dead certain that the majority of us couldn't give two electrons what you think of it; I have had plenty enough already of people telling me what I'm supposed to be "in to". I drive my old cars, play my old albums and 45s, run my old tube radios, and chirp away on them with my old J-38, and don't care one whit whether or not anyone "approves".
Amen Brother....
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Mark
k0ews
01-19-2006, 04:32 AM
Quote[/b] ]CW is fine. Ragchewing is fine. Using a key for the sake of using a key is really nerdy, IMO.
To each his own. Straight keys are fun to use. I don't mind making slower speed ragchews with my straight key. I'm normally a bug user (and sometimes keyer and sometimes keyboard), but if this gives me the motivation to keep the straight key out, and make some nice ragchews with some of our slower speed ops, or just pass the time working a straight key, that's fine.
Some folks don't like QRP, contesting, special events, 2 meters, satelites, DXing, nets, homebrewing, emcomms, ragchewing, etc., etc., etc. Isn't it nice that there is room in amateur radio for all of these interests?
I see that N1IR is a musician. That's what I do; teach it for a living. I compare my bug, key, and keyer to different musical instruments. They all have their place, and at certain times, each one is very appropriate for its situation.
I commend Tom for starting this group. It has re-kindled my interest in my straight key, and allowed me to make some nice QSOs.
w1eof
01-19-2006, 05:29 AM
Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 16 2006,09:16)]Just don't pledge undying love to it. That's weird.
73,
Chip N1IR
Nah Chip, not weird at all. What's weird is spending so much of one's time being a troll here on QRZ. You go from one discussion to the next trying to get people upset with your contrarian comments.
So I just smile when I see one of your posts. The only ones that will have a problem and get upset are those that will take you seriously. But that would silly, wouldn't it Chip?
Go outside Chip. Or go rent a movie. Something other than trying to stir things up here on QRZ.
73,
Mark W1EOF
Quote[/b] (kd8bsr @ Jan. 17 2006,18:29)]
Quote[/b] ]I'm determined to earn that 13 WPM certificate. The next qualifying run from W1AW may be it. I managed to copy 10 WPM on the 6th and have done a lot of operating since.
I don't think there is a 13 WPM code proficiency certificate from ARRL. IIRC, they go in 5 wpm increments from 10 to 40 wpm.
So you may just have to 'settle' for 15 wpm. And I think you'll do it, no problem, just keep at it the way you've been doing.
Then there's 20 wpm...25 wpm....30 wpm.....
--
SKCC got me motivated to look around 3720 instead of 3540. The J-37 was still hooked up from SKN so I pounded out a nice QSO with a KA3. Great fun - I'll be back there. It's where I started, actually - 10 watts, long wire and simple receiver, 3726 kHz, 1967 (as WN3IYC).
Somebody said 'it's just a switch'. That's not the whole story - my J-37 was and is a key to a whole new world....
As for "fetish" or "love of a switch" - just nonsense phrases. What's important is not the straight key itself, but what it does and what it represents: Skill, simplicity, knowledge, self-reliance, learning-by-doing, and good ol' radio *operating*.
Somebody mentioned musical instruments. Well, if a straight key is "outmoded" because a computer can send code faster and better, then so are most musical instruments "outmoded", because you can just feed the sheet music into a suitable computer and it will do the rest of the music-making.
73 de Jim, N2EY
SKCC 307
FISTS 4360
yv6azc
01-19-2006, 02:44 PM
Quote[/b] (N2EY @ Jan. 19 2006,03:08)]
As for "fetish" or "love of a switch" - just nonsense phrases. What's important is not the straight key itself, but what it does and what it represents: Skill, simplicity, knowledge, self-reliance, learning-by-doing, and good ol' radio *operating*.
# # Right! That's the point.
# # 73 de Jose
# # YV6AZC
w8cbc
01-19-2006, 03:51 PM
EY - yep, you're right. I couldn't manage the 15 WPM this morning but got 10 solid so off it goes in the mail. I couldn't even hear the characters at 35! People can understand that speed? And send it? I think I could work up to 20 eventually but my mind is a little too slow for anything beyond that.
KC9AFN
01-19-2006, 04:31 PM
Just got my number 337, thanks Tom.
Hope to work some of you on the air. Only problem is I work 3rd shift so I'm usualy on in the morning. Well, I'll be sending som CQs anyway http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
73 de KC9AFN ... -.-
Anytime there is a interest in keeping CW alive, I am for it 100 percent. What seperates this group from similiar ideas the Fists club has is the specification of straight keys being used. What the heck I have not had a good case of glass arm in quite a few years. See you all on the bands.
SKCC #559 http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Quote[/b] (kd8bsr @ Jan. 19 2006,08:51)]
Quote[/b] ] I couldn't manage the 15 WPM this morning but got 10 solid so off it goes in the mail.
CONGRATULATIONS!
Now to work on 15 wpm....
Quote[/b] ]I couldn't even hear the characters at 35! People can understand that speed?
Oh yes. It becomes as natural as listening to someone talk. Easier, really. But that kind of skill doesn't come all at once.
Do you remember learning to read and how much work it was at first? Or learning to ride a bike, drive a car, or play a musical instrument?
Now you don't even think about it, I bet, you just do it.
Quote[/b] ]And send it?
Less effort than talking or typing once you get the knack.
Quote[/b] ]I think I could work up to 20 eventually but my mind is a little too slow for anything beyond that.
Don't defeat yourself before you've tried.
It's a new skill to you. Actually a new *set* of skills.
You got the 10 wpm solid, right? 5 wpm now seems dead slow, doesn't it? Yet I think there was a time, not too long ago, when 5 wpm sounded fast to you.
See you on 3720
73 de Jim, N2EY
Quote[/b] (w1eof @ Jan. 18 2006,22:29)]Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 16 2006,09:16)]Just don't pledge undying love to it. That's weird.
73,
Chip N1IR
Nah Chip, not weird at all. What's weird is spending so much of one's time being a troll here on QRZ. You go from one discussion to the next trying to get people upset with your contrarian comments.
So I just smile when I see one of your posts. The only ones that will have a problem and get upset are those that will take you seriously. But that would silly, wouldn't it Chip?
Go outside Chip. Or go rent a movie. Something other than trying to stir things up here on QRZ.
73,
Mark W1EOF
And that person worried about us using classic keys, should take sometime to replace that outdated "classic" Bigsby tremelo on their guitar, with a "modern" Floyd Rose Locking Tremelo. It is 2006 you know.
Using an old Bigsby sounds like a fetist to me.
I just couldn't resist.
73 - Bob SKCC #358
Quote[/b] (W6NJ @ Jan. 19 2006,11:30)]Quote[/b] (w1eof @ Jan. 18 2006,22:29)]Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 16 2006,09:16)]Just don't pledge undying love to it. That's weird.
73,
Chip N1IR
Nah Chip, not weird at all. What's weird is spending so much of one's time being a troll here on QRZ. You go from one discussion to the next trying to get people upset with your contrarian comments.
So I just smile when I see one of your posts. The only ones that will have a problem and get upset are those that will take you seriously. But that would silly, wouldn't it Chip?
Go outside Chip. Or go rent a movie. Something other than trying to stir things up here on QRZ.
73,
Mark W1EOF
And that person worried about us using classic keys, should take sometime to replace that outdated "classic" Bigsby tremelo on their guitar, with a "modern" Floyd Rose Locking Tremelo. It is 2006 you know.
Using an old Bigsby sounds like a fetist to me.
I just couldn't resist.
73 - Bob SKCC #358
Don't be a dummy.
You don't put a Floyd Rose on a Tele. The wood is too thin and too soft. It would crack in the routing, or when pulling the whammy bar up-pitch..
I have a FR on my relic Strat and my JEM77VWH.
I built the Strat. Or shall I assume you don't believe me?
Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 19 2006,11:42)]Quote[/b] (W6NJ @ Jan. 19 2006,11:30)]Quote[/b] (w1eof @ Jan. 18 2006,22:29)]Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 16 2006,09:16)]Just don't pledge undying love to it. That's weird.
73,
Chip N1IR
Nah Chip, not weird at all. What's weird is spending so much of one's time being a troll here on QRZ. You go from one discussion to the next trying to get people upset with your contrarian comments.
So I just smile when I see one of your posts. The only ones that will have a problem and get upset are those that will take you seriously. But that would silly, wouldn't it Chip?
Go outside Chip. Or go rent a movie. Something other than trying to stir things up here on QRZ.
73,
Mark W1EOF
And that person worried about us using classic keys, should take sometime to replace that outdated "classic" Bigsby tremelo on their guitar, with a "modern" Floyd Rose Locking Tremelo. It is 2006 you know.
Using an old Bigsby sounds like a fetist to me.
I just couldn't resist.
73 - Bob SKCC #358
Don't be a dummy.
You don't put a Floyd Rose on a Tele. The wood is too thin and too soft. It would crack in the routing, or when #pulling the whammy bar up-pitch..
I have a FR on my relic Strat and my JEM77VWH.
I built the Strat. Or shall I assume you don't believe me?
Wow,
Using an old guitar, that won't use a modern tremelo.
Sounds like a fetish to me.
I already know the answer. "The telecaster has a sound that makes it different".
Guess what, CW from folks using hand keys sounds different then folks using keyers.
You sure love to argue, OM. I don't give a bird what guitar you play, and you shouldn't give one about my guitars or the key I use.
I guess I should trade my Hammond B3 for a Roland, as the B3 was made in 1958.
To me, putting any tremelo on a Telecaster, is next to worshiping satan, but that is my opinion.
Your choice is not my business, just like the key I decide to use is not yours.
Coming on this thread to tell folks that using straight keys is some "weird fetish", is in itself a weird fetish.
Build another guitar, take a cruise, find a worthwhile issue to debate. This isn't one of them.
Did you rent that video yet?
73 - Bob
Quote[/b] (W6NJ @ Jan. 19 2006,13:28)]Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 19 2006,11:42)]Quote[/b] (W6NJ @ Jan. 19 2006,11:30)]Quote[/b] (w1eof @ Jan. 18 2006,22:29)]Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 16 2006,09:16)]Just don't pledge undying love to it. That's weird.
73,
Chip N1IR
Nah Chip, not weird at all. What's weird is spending so much of one's time being a troll here on QRZ. You go from one discussion to the next trying to get people upset with your contrarian comments.
So I just smile when I see one of your posts. The only ones that will have a problem and get upset are those that will take you seriously. But that would silly, wouldn't it Chip?
Go outside Chip. Or go rent a movie. Something other than trying to stir things up here on QRZ.
73,
Mark W1EOF
And that person worried about us using classic keys, should take sometime to replace that outdated "classic" Bigsby tremelo on their guitar, with a "modern" Floyd Rose Locking Tremelo. It is 2006 you know.
Using an old Bigsby sounds like a fetist to me.
I just couldn't resist.
73 - Bob SKCC #358
Don't be a dummy.
You don't put a Floyd Rose on a Tele. The wood is too thin and too soft. It would crack in the routing, or when #pulling the whammy bar up-pitch..
I have a FR on my relic Strat and my JEM77VWH.
I built the Strat. Or shall I assume you don't believe me?
Wow,
Using an old guitar, that won't use a modern tremelo.
Sounds like a fetish to me.
I already know the answer. "The telecaster has a sound that makes it different".
Guess what, CW from folks using hand keys sounds different then folks using keyers.
You sure love to argue, OM. I don't give a bird what guitar you play, and you shouldn't give one about my guitars or the key I use.
I guess I should trade my Hammond B3 for a Roland, as the B3 was made in 1958.
To me, putting any tremelo on a Telecaster, is next to worshiping satan, but that is my opinion.
Your choice is not my business, just like the key I decide to use is not yours.
Coming on this thread to tell folks that using straight keys is some "weird fetish", is in itself a weird fetish.
Build another guitar, take a cruise, find a worthwhile issue to debate. This isn't one of them.
Did you rent that video yet?
73 - Bob
This is not a 'romance of the code' issue. It's about weird interests.
You can use a hand key all you want.
My point is that you shouldn't pledge it undying love.
And that using one as a matter of passion is utterly nerdy.
I suspect, BTW, that if you asked Joe Shmoe which was acceptable: deliberately communicating with a hand-key..when other options are available--or playing a Telecaster-- that it would be quite apparent which of the two is within societal norms.
Ham radio has some major problems. Emphasis on the 'good ol' days' to this extreme only showcases them.
BTW, the 'good ol' days' sucked. That why people switched to paddles and keyers at the earliest opportunity. The price point kicked in about 1967, with the switch from vacuum tube keyers to transistorized ones--like the HD-10 from heathkit.
Again: why not an SKCC--twenty years ago? Why now?
Answer: ham radio has too many looking back, who either do so with polyanna filters, or young squirts who want to be a fictionalized version of what they THOUGHT it must have been like.
You really had relatively few of these 20 years ago.
W1EOF, go sit on an egg. I'll ski circles around your sedate position. ...outside OM.
And NJ--trade your Hammond for an EMU B3 and a Kurzweil SP88.
73,
Chip N1IR
14 pages of QRZ stupidity, I love it!
Looking back? Tell that to the guy who paid $47,000 for the 1950 Esquire last week. It only had one pick up...and NO Bigsby at all!
I just pulled the Floyd Rose of my Kramer Pacer and replaced it with my J-38. So there!
Quote[/b] (WA2LKV @ Jan. 19 2006,15:02)]14 pages of QRZ stupidity, I love it!
Looking back? Tell that to the guy who paid $47,000 for the 1950 Esquire last week. It only had one pick up...and NO Bigsby at all!
I just pulled the Floyd Rose of my Kramer Pacer and replaced it with my J-38. So there!
Hmmm...interesting use for dual technology! An FM'er makes more sense than a switch...
Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 19 2006,14:53)]And NJ--trade your Hammond for an EMU B3 and a Kurzweil SP88.
73,
Chip N1IR
I expected that answer. Pretty funny.
I guess you see those B3's in concert all of the time, because the artists just like to lug around 450lb organs and 150lb leslies. Besides having to pay an average $10,000 price for a restored B3. A model that was discountinued by Hammond in 1972. Just a fetish?
In reality, the B3 imitations are just that. That isn't even debated by anyone other then hacks that can't afford one.
You're a trip Chip. An expert on all fronts.
73 - Bob
w8cbc
01-20-2006, 12:41 AM
N2EY, Jim - Thanks for the encouragement. I'll keep at it of course, but I am beginning to slow a bit mentally these days. Getting calcified at 40, aye. CRS runs in the family. The ultimate goal is to get to 20 and become a "real" Extra (yes, I know - but it matters to me, heehee). Anyhow, again, thanks!
"BTW, the 'good ol' days' sucked. That why people switched to paddles and keyers at the earliest opportunity."
Not the case. #And this OF only switched when my wrist (probably from using a computer at work) went kaput. #The SK was more fun, and a whale of a lot easier to use. #Up to about 30 wpm. #Fingers might be faster than wrist above that. #
Interesting - the first QSO after I hooked the old key back up (dual keying inputs on the TS-870 - keyer and straight key - now that's modern!), my fist tried to send my old call (that I used for over 20 years). #That's really bringing back the old fun times!
K4JF #SKCC 430 (ex: WA4LHL)
Was throwing down CQs near 7020 this evening 9:30ish central USA time (Thursday). No takers, no one else heard.
I listen to 15 meters most every weekend. You would be surprised what you can hear and work with some patience. Don't let the sunspot rubbish deter you. Worked Hawii last week and Japan the week before. I will listen on the SKCC frequency. Come up and visit.
SKCC#33
Straight Key Fetish CC#001
KI4CIA
01-20-2006, 04:25 AM
Come on up to 80 meters. I work IN and IL all the time on 80 meters (seems like it anyway). You know, its like everywhere you go you see a car tag from IL or IN, well most of my QSO's seems to be from IL or IN ... so, you're either traveling or you're hamming? Do you guys have jobs? (just kidding)
It is a bit of a stretch, it just seems like it's a better than 75% chance that the other op is from IL or IN.
Had a very enjoyable and long QSO (finally!) with Mark, WA5VQM, on 3722.25 this afternoon. I warned ya Mark http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif I can get a little long-winded at times. I think I wore my key out though, because I had a few problems with the next QSO.
W5WAX jumped in there after we finished. Sorry I couldn't stay and have decent chat, WAX, but I am John's "alarm clock" at night and he leaves for work at 10:15. Sometimes he "hits" the snooze button for 15 mins or so, but that wasn't an option tonight. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Mark - here's a picture of John's "new" key I was telling you about ...
Looks like this is really catching on. I just stumbled on this thread this evening -- sent in for a SKCC # while reading it -- got #665 from Tom a few minutes later (tnx, Tom!) -- heard W2PL calling "CQ SKCC" on 3720 ten minutes later and had a fb QSO with Phil as my first SKCC contact.
If this puts a few more CW stations on the bands, I'll all for this new/old "fetish" !! Thanks for getting this started. Hope to work most of you "newtimers" in the coming days/nights.
73,
Rock
heh, who still uses a whammy bar?? you know, Chip, you seem like a real self centered kid. I wouldnt hire you...you would likely not play the song correctly without throwing appregiated runs and whammy dives all over everything in an attempt to get the whole world to tell you how great you are.
You just dont strike me as a team player.
...and i wouldnt buy your album anyway, but you dont even know business that well...even if im not fond of you, i would still sell YOU one of mine. i would even mark up the price, LOLOLOL...and whats with the blue stuff on your face??
...it must suck to be you...really, im not kidding.
w8cbc
01-20-2006, 06:15 AM
CIA - I heard you with VQM (didn't hear him). I'd called CQ down by 3717 a bit earlier and WAX answered but I couldn't copy him worth a darn through the local *&^%$#@!. Gave up, was about to turn the gear off, heard another strong signal, didn't jump on it quick enough, walked away to do something else, heard KG4LDD working someone, called him tail-end and got my nightly CW fix after all. Then Jimmy, W9JDH, called me tail-end and we battled the conditions for a bit.
This stuff is fun!
I can just imagine what 3720+/- will sound like this weekend. We have WOKE the Novice segments UP!
Quote[/b] (N7YA @ Jan. 19 2006,23:11)]heh, who still uses a whammy bar?? #you know, Chip, you seem like a real self centered kid. I wouldnt hire you...you would likely not play the song correctly without throwing appregiated runs and whammy dives all over everything in an attempt to get the whole world to tell you how great you are.
You just dont strike me as a team player.
...and i wouldnt buy your album anyway, but you dont even know business that well...even if im not fond of you, i would still sell YOU one of mine. i would even mark up the price, LOLOLOL...and whats with the blue stuff on your face??
...it must suck to be you...really, im not kidding.
Despite these goofy, PERSONAL ATTACKS--
Despite the multitudinous FALSEHOODS--
Despite the deliberate DIGRESSION AWAY FROM TOPIC--
It's still a switch, not a very good one, and some people are socially deviant in their love of it.
Accept it. Call them on it. Express an informed opinion--for example: Tell them how such obsessive behavior detracts from your enjoyment of the occasional hand-key QSO. Tell then how it makes us look weird and very antiquated to everyone else, and feeds into the vicious stereotype that hams are worthless and an anachronism in today's telecom society.
The ol' days (in HR) sucked. Don't look back.
Hope this helps in your re-calibration.
73,
Chip N1IR
Quote[/b] (kd8bsr @ Jan. 19 2006,23:15)]CIA - I heard you with VQM (didn't hear him). #I'd called CQ down by 3717 a bit earlier and WAX answered but I couldn't copy him worth a darn through the local *&^%$#@!. #Gave up, was about to turn the gear off, heard another strong signal, didn't jump on it quick enough, walked away to do something else...,
This stuff is fun!
That's fun? ?
Quote[/b] (W6NJ @ Jan. 19 2006,13:28)][
Your choice is not my business, just like the key I decide to use is not yours.
Coming on this thread to tell folks that using straight keys is some "weird fetish", is in itself a weird fetish.
Build another guitar, take a cruise, find a worthwhile issue to debate. This isn't one of them.
Did you rent that video yet?
73 - Bob
The difference here is that any ol' fart can collect antique penny banks or cypress knees. That's a right.
But ham radio is not a right--it is a PRIVILEGE extended by the government on behalf of it's citizens.
How we act and what we do is important, and celebrating an obsession with something that CLEARLY is not expressed as our Part 97 mission is not appropriate.
Go ahead and have fun with it. Just don't get teary-eyed and obsessed over it --and then sign your callsign.
My opinion. Yours may differ.
73,
Chip N1IR
ab8ma
01-20-2006, 01:53 PM
Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 20 2006,13:42)]Quote[/b] (kd8bsr @ Jan. 19 2006,23:15)]CIA - I heard you with VQM (didn't hear him). #I'd called CQ down by 3717 a bit earlier and WAX answered but I couldn't copy him worth a darn through the local *&^%$#@!. #Gave up, was about to turn the gear off, heard another strong signal, didn't jump on it quick enough, walked away to do something else...,
This stuff is fun!
That's fun? ?
See? Fun is bad if not universal. Rethink when you think you are having fun. You are probably wrong. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 20 2006,06:48)]The difference here is that any ol' fart can collect antique penny banks or cypress knees. That's a right.
But ham radio is not a right--it is a PRIVILEGE extended by the government on behalf of it's citizens.
How we act and what we do is important, and celebrating an obsession with something that CLEARLY is not expressed as our Part 97 mission is not appropriate.
Go ahead and have fun with it. Just don't get teary-eyed and obsessed over it --and then sign your callsign.
My opinion. Yours may differ.
73,
Chip N1IR
What?
Now, you are telling us that using a straight key is evil, and "celebrating an obsession with something that CLEARLY is not expressed as our Part 97 mission"?
You just have to bring your "dark cloud" into everything.
By the way, you started the name calling here, but that is your MO.
You are one twisted dude. You always have to tell everyone that what they do is stupid, and spout off about your degrees.
We will continue having all the fun we want, and ignore your attempts to draw us into your dark world.
Just incredible.
73 - Bob
WA5VQM
01-20-2006, 02:34 PM
Quote[/b] (KI4CIA @ Jan. 19 2006,21:25)]Come on up to 80 meters. I work IN and IL all the time on 80 meters (seems like it anyway). You know, its like everywhere you go you see a car tag from IL or IN, well most of my QSO's seems to be from IL or IN ... so, you're either traveling or you're hamming? Do you guys have jobs? (just kidding)
It is a bit of a stretch, it just seems like it's a better than 75% chance that the other op is from IL or IN.
Had a very enjoyable and long QSO (finally!) with Mark, WA5VQM, on 3722.25 this afternoon. I warned ya Mark http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif I can get a little long-winded at times. I think I wore my key out though, because I had a few problems with the next QSO.
W5WAX jumped in there after we finished. Sorry I couldn't stay and have decent chat, WAX, but I am John's "alarm clock" at night and he leaves for work at 10:15. Sometimes he "hits" the snooze button for 15 mins or so, but that wasn't an option tonight. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Mark - here's a picture of John's "new" key I was telling you about ...
Hi Melinda,
The key looks great! Thanks again for the very enjoyable QSO. Your signal got stronger as we went on, cutting through the QRM. A nice ragchew like that is a rarity these days. Gee, dare I say it? It was FUN.
BTW, how long has it been since there's been QRM in the novice bands? SKCC's success can be measured by the renewed activity. As you stated now you can just turn on the radio and have a good chance at having a QSO right off.
Not hearing much activity in 40M, but 80 is hopping. Can't check on the upper bands during the day (I'm a working stiff) but maybe this weekend.
73, Mark
WA5VQM
01-20-2006, 02:39 PM
Quote[/b] (kd8bsr @ Jan. 19 2006,23:15)]CIA - I heard you with VQM (didn't hear him). I'd called CQ down by 3717 a bit earlier and WAX answered but I couldn't copy him worth a darn through the local *&^%$#@!. Gave up, was about to turn the gear off, heard another strong signal, didn't jump on it quick enough, walked away to do something else, heard KG4LDD working someone, called him tail-end and got my nightly CW fix after all. Then Jimmy, W9JDH, called me tail-end and we battled the conditions for a bit.
This stuff is fun!
I can just imagine what 3720+/- will sound like this weekend. We have WOKE the Novice segments UP!
Hey, man I'm huntin' for ya'. Once conditions permit you're going in the logbook!
Keep that Apache warmed up and chirping and I'll keep an ear out for you. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
73, Mark
Quote[/b] (W6NJ @ Jan. 20 2006,07:25)]Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 20 2006,06:48)]The difference here is that any ol' fart can collect antique penny banks or cypress knees. That's a right.
But ham radio is not a right--it is a PRIVILEGE extended by the government on behalf of it's citizens.
How we act and what we do is important, and celebrating an obsession with something that CLEARLY is not expressed as our Part 97 mission is not appropriate.
Go ahead and have fun with it. Just don't get teary-eyed and obsessed over it --and then sign your callsign.
My opinion. Yours may differ.
73,
Chip N1IR
What?
Now, you are telling us that using a straight key is evil, and "celebrating an obsession with something that CLEARLY is not expressed as our Part 97 mission"?
You just have to bring your "dark cloud" into everything.
By the way, you started the name calling here, but that is your MO.
You are one twisted dude. You always have to tell everyone that what they do is stupid, and spout off about your degrees.
We will continue having all the fun we want, and ignore your attempts to draw us into your dark world.
Just incredible.
73 - Bob
No.
I am wondering: is the issue a processing one or an emotional one? I can't seem to get your intepretation out of my comments at all. I.e., that's not what I said.
May I suggest that your print out my comments, and that you find a 'happy place' , sit down and read contemplatively, and then attempt to understand the straight-forward comments so posed.
This rude intrepretation is not it.
73,
Chip N1IR
Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 20 2006,06:39)]It's still a switch, not a very good one,
The ol' days (in HR) sucked. Don't look back.
Wrong and wrong. Modern hand keys are excellent, far above "good". Some very sophisticated mechanical technology.
And the old days were FUN, not "sucked". People were friendly, all OTs helped newcomers, the newcomers did not claim to know it all when they just started, and did not put down anyone just because they had been around a while. Great QSOs about all kinds of subjects, from our station and community, to camping with Scouts, to geneaology. And everybody QSLed.
Sorry, OM, wrong on all counts.
Yep, im right...it MUST suck to be Chip....but its fun to mess with him though. :-)
Quote[/b] (K4JF @ Jan. 20 2006,09:47)]Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 20 2006,06:39)]It's still a switch, not a very good one,
The ol' days (in HR) sucked. Don't look back.
Wrong and wrong. #Modern hand keys are excellent, far above "good". #Some very sophisticated mechanical technology.
And the old days were FUN, not "sucked". #People were friendly, all OTs helped newcomers, the newcomers did not claim to know it all when they just started, and did not put down anyone just because they had been around a while. #Great QSOs about all kinds of subjects, from our station and community, to camping with Scouts, to geneaology. #And everybody QSLed.
Sorry, OM, wrong on all counts.
The rigs sucked. Hand keys were an invitation to sloth communication. They still are.
I invite you to cite FOC members who use hand keys on an exclusive basis.
People were friendly. That much was true.
Quote[/b] (N7YA @ Jan. 20 2006,09:57)]Yep, im right...it MUST suck to be Chip....but its fun to mess with him though. :-)
It must really suck to burn bridges. IMO you are very good at it.
What bridges? if i recall, you came here with the intent of personally attacking all these folks with your "spirited discussion", so you dont deserve the respect of discussion...you are not a nice person at all. you roll in here, and every other thread, with a high and mighty attitude...ask anyone who reads your trash regularly.
Chip, YOU are burning the bridges. You got what you wanted out of me, you got a response. you beg for attention and go to great lengths to get it.
You say i am personally attacking you? you bet, you earned it...and THAT is what im good at when its called for. yours is the first bridge ill burn.
There are two threads going on in this one thread...one is about keys, which is going on just fine without you...and the other is about you, which is your whole purpose for living, it seems.
Someone else here nailed it when they said you troll QRZ.com looking for trouble...and i agree with him...THAT is a "weird fetish".
ok, your turn...blah, blah, blah....
Quote[/b] (N7YA @ Jan. 20 2006,11:05)]What bridges? if i recall, you came here with the intent of personally attacking all these folks with your "spirited discussion", so you dont deserve the respect of discussion...you are not a nice person at all. you roll in here, and every other thread, with a high and mighty attitude...ask anyone who reads your trash regularly.
#Chip, YOU are burning the bridges. You got what you wanted out of me, you got a response. you beg for attention and go to great lengths to get it.
You say i am personally attacking you? #you bet, you earned it...and THAT is what im good at when its called for. yours is the first bridge ill burn.
There are two threads going on in this one thread...one is about keys, which is going on just fine without you...and the other is about you, which is your whole purpose for living, it seems.
Someone else here nailed it when they said you troll QRZ.com looking for trouble...and i agree with him...THAT is a "weird fetish".
ok, your turn...blah, blah, blah....
+ for me.
Well said.
I have nothing to add.
The same old story from that guy. Best to ignore it.
73 - Bob
Quote[/b] (N7YA @ Jan. 20 2006,11:05)]You say i am personally attacking you? #you bet...
This says it all.
Your interest is not in a discussion of the topic.
Quote[/b] (N7YA @ Jan. 20 2006,11:05)]What bridges? if i recall, you came here with the intent of personally attacking all these folks with your "spirited discussion", so you dont deserve the respect of discussion...you are not a nice person at all. you roll in here, and every other thread, with a high and mighty attitude...ask anyone who reads your trash regularly.
#Chip, YOU are burning the bridges. You got what you wanted out of me, you got a response. you beg for attention and go to great lengths to get it.
You say i am personally attacking you? #you bet, you earned it...and THAT is what im good at when its called for. yours is the first bridge ill burn.
There are two threads going on in this one thread...one is about keys, which is going on just fine without you...and the other is about you, which is your whole purpose for living, it seems.
Someone else here nailed it when they said you troll QRZ.com looking for trouble...and i agree with him...THAT is a "weird fetish".
ok, your turn...blah, blah, blah....
Sorry sport. I have no interest in giving you any of the attention you apparently crave.
Good luck in your endeavors.
Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 20 2006,11:45)]Sorry sport. I have no interest in giving you any of the attention you apparently crave.
Good luck in your endeavors.
...you got be to kidding me right now!!
holy smokes, man...you are twisted.
ok, fair enough...ill throw the towel in.
73 to you OM
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Quote[/b] (W6NJ @ Jan. 20 2006,11:34)]Quote[/b] (N7YA @ Jan. 20 2006,11:05)]What bridges? if i recall, you came here with the intent of personally attacking all these folks with your "spirited discussion", so you dont deserve the respect of discussion...you are not a nice person at all. you roll in here, and every other thread, with a high and mighty attitude...ask anyone who reads your trash regularly.
#Chip, YOU are burning the bridges. You got what you wanted out of me, you got a response. you beg for attention and go to great lengths to get it.
You say i am personally attacking you? #you bet, you earned it...and THAT is what im good at when its called for. yours is the first bridge ill burn.
There are two threads going on in this one thread...one is about keys, which is going on just fine without you...and the other is about you, which is your whole purpose for living, it seems.
Someone else here nailed it when they said you troll QRZ.com looking for trouble...and i agree with him...THAT is a "weird fetish".
ok, your turn...blah, blah, blah....
+ for me.
Well said.
I have nothing to add.
The same old story from that guy. Best to ignore it.
73 - Bob
Again, I invite you to name FIRST CLASS OPERATOR CLUB members (FOC)--the creme de la creme of CW operators-- who exclusively use HAND KEYS in their CW contacts. In other words, ones that: 'wish that SKN would go on and on...'
We're not talking occasional , charming, use mind you, but hard-core fetish.
So, name'em.
k4ksw
01-20-2006, 08:01 PM
I'm glad to see there is still an interest in straight key CW. I was first licensed in 1960 (WV2HVO) and was CW only at the time. Well, I got away from Ham Radio until just last year when I retested and got my new callsign. I decided to go through my box of "Old radio stuff" and I found my original Navy J-44 key which I dusted off and I'm currently using.
73's
KI4KSW
Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 20 2006,06:39)]
Quote[/b] ]The ol' days (in HR) sucked.
No, they didn't, Chip. The "