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wd5jnc
01-24-2006, 09:31 PM
I always thought Ham radio was sopposed to be fun. seems N1IR feels fun is only what he likes. I dont work Packet or EME but i dont bad mouth those that do. N1IR get a life. Ham radio is for what ever makes you happy.
13wpm advanced
N7COA
01-25-2006, 02:44 AM
Fun? Absolutely! So what if someone wants to work EME or satellite exclusively. Or ASCII, Pactor, Amtor, RTTY, etc. To each his own. Ya picks your mode and goes with it. I like SSB and CW. And I try to ignore those who would try to tell me I am in the wrong for liking the parts of ham radio that interest me.
73,
de Dave
SKCC #323http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Quote[/b] (N2EY @ Jan. 24 2006,10:46)]Quote[/b] ]As if there hasn't been radical change in the last decade, and even more radical change already in the works and quite probably unstoppable.
Like what?
I've been a ham for over 30 years, and have been interested since the 50s. NEVER have I seen Amateur Radio under attack like it is today. And, sadly, much from the inside. Not just the code thing, but the groups pushing for banning of the mode, elimination of exams, elimination of license classes, opening up all frequencies to all modes, unattended robots, hams denying that hams do or even can assist in emergencies, some demanding that only SSB be allowed, and so on. Then there are the attacks from outside; BPL, spectrum greed, expensive junk electronics causing neighbor problems, CC&Ls, the list goes on and on.
I hope I'm wrong, but it doesn't look good, fellows.
Quote[/b] (N8CPA @ Jan. 24 2006,09:00)]Quote[/b] (K4JF @ Jan. 24 2006,10:57)]Quote[/b] (N8CPA @ Jan. 24 2006,07:48)]Quote[/b] (w4rot @ Jan. 18 2006,17:29)]Quote[/b] ]it's Retro-Digital.
like..i can dig it.
w4rot
What a great slogan for SKCC members! #
"I retro-digit!"
I see T-shirts!
HEY, TOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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SKCC #8
How about:
# # # # #I'M RETRO-DIGITAL
# # # # # # # # # #SKCC
Because "I'm retro-digital" does not make a pun on "dig it." #"I retro digit" = "I retro dig it," in a matter of spacing.
OK, sorry, please forgive me.
Quote[/b] (ai4cb @ Jan. 24 2006,05:43)]Have you ever wished that this thread would go on and on and on? #
Have you ever wished for incentives to dig out your old tired arguments or old insults and knock the dust off? #
Ever wished they had a thread like this more than once a week? #
That is a light you see at the end of the tunnel!! #Recently, a group of hams have decided to make their wishes come true and founded the Chip Doesn't Like Straight Key Fetish Thread – #Yep, a Chip thread - where you can dust off your favorite Chip bashing cliche's , and Chip can get on the 'net and torture other QRZ users …
(Not an exact quote ...)
Chuckle;-0)
One of my favorite aspects of amateur radio is all of the fighting. There is nothing more relaxing after a long day at work than to come home and fight with people. Yes it is so much fun to go round and round about the same subject over and over. Using lots of words but really saying nothing. It is even fun to take the occasional jab below the belt and call someone stupid or use the “F” word. Oh how I love this hobby!
wa4gch
01-25-2006, 05:47 PM
"They are a CW group (and no, I'm not a member). A most appropriate acronym. Sad that it has such a limited future. "
"How is FISTS' future limited? "
When you dont test for code how long will it take untill no one cares .... with the ARRL bandwidth proposal it's only a matter of time and CW will join the cohearer and galana crystal in some showcase.
Quote[/b] (K4JF @ Jan. 24 2006,22:24)]#
Quote[/b] ]Quote[/b] (N2EY @ Jan. 24 2006,10:46)]Quote[/b] ]As if there hasn't been radical change in the last decade, and even more radical change already in the works and quite probably unstoppable.
Like what?
I've been a ham for over 30 years, and have been interested since the 50s. NEVER have I seen Amateur Radio under attack like it is today.
Well, I've been a ham since 1967 and interested a few years before that.
I don't mean to minimize the problems of today, but from what I've seen and what I've learned of amateur radio history, we've always been under one attack or another.
See list below
Quote[/b] ]And, sadly, much from the inside. Not just the code thing, but the groups pushing for banning of the mode, elimination of exams, elimination of license classes, opening up all frequencies to all modes, unattended robots, hams denying that hams do or even can assist in emergencies, some demanding that only SSB be allowed, and so on. Then there are the attacks from outside; BPL, spectrum greed, expensive junk electronics causing neighbor problems, CC&Ls, the list goes on and on.
I hope I'm wrong, but it doesn't look good, fellows.
Just for historical reasons, here's my list:
1950s:
TVI was an enormous problem. Many if not most ham rigs from before the TV era were simply too "dirty" to use around TV sets, without extensive modification. No cable or dish TV. The relatively few TV stations on the air then were running low power compared to today, so lots of folks were in fringe areas. And the TVs were often not very good at rejecting strong local HF and VHF signals that were 100% clean! Some TVs even had 21 MHz IFs!
Ham gear back then was incredibly expensive by today's standards, when you consider that back then a $5000/yr gross income would put a family of 4-6 well into the middle class. ARRL and others were pushing SSB, a mode whose gear cost more and was more complex, as the wave of the future.
In the early 1950s, FCC gave all hams above Novice and Tech all amateur privileges, widened the 'phone bands, and increased the number of potential Conditional licenses. The advantages and status of an Advanced or Extra were all but eliminated.
We lost the 11 meter ham band to something called "citizens band". CB had existed for more than a decade at UHF, but had few takers. 27 MHz cb was a bit different....
Yet all through the 1950s, the number of US hams grew at a rate that more than doubled our number in the decade.
1960s:
"Incentive licensing" was discussed for almost 5 years and put into effect at the end of the decade. Most hams lost some privileges, and all hams had the requirements for full privileges raised.
The number of cb users exceeded the number of hams in the early 1960s.
SSB replaced AM as the primary HF amateur voice mode, transceivers replaced separates in most hamshacks, and homebrewing became a specialty instead of a common activity.
Hippies, Vietnam, "counterculture" and other social effects made ham radio "square" in the eyes of many young people.
The growth of the 1950s ended and our numbers became static at around a quarter million.
1970s:
Energy crises and speed limits put cb on the front page
Most US makers of ham gear disappeared, replaced by imports.
FM and repeaters replaced AM on VHF/UHF.
Stagflation and unemployment eroded most people's financial situation.
FCC and EIA wanted to reassign all of the 220 band to a new version of cb.
Bash books. 'Nuff said.
And yet ham radio grew like mad in the 1970s.
1980s:
VECs, CSCEs, question pools, no more sending test.
Computers in the ham shack, rising equipment costs and complexity.
HF packet was supposedly going to drive us all off the bands...
CC&Rs are more the rule than the exception for new constuction.
1990s:
Code waivers, nocodetest ham licenses, internet, etc.
Yet ham radio is still here.
73 de Jim, N2EY
This was amasing. I just skimmed 27 pages of you folks actually catering to the pokes and prods of Nathan Cohen, n1ir. Pretty funny stuff. But surely you must see that he just loves to hear himself talk. He seems rather delusional to me.
Ignore the Alpha-Hotel and he will go away.
I think it is a good thing that he is 'too good' to be interested in communicating with a straight key. I bet he has a lousy fist, HI.
Michael
N0XY
Every night is straight key night at N0XY
w4rot
01-25-2006, 07:17 PM
Quote[/b] ]Hippies, Vietnam, "counterculture" and other social effects made ham radio "square" in the eyes of many young people.
Can't hang with you on this one sir.
Visit the ClassicEffects Part. (http://www.schematicheaven.com/)
I just missed it the first time.
I have no problem backtracking.
Enjoy!
w4rot
wa4gch
01-25-2006, 07:51 PM
"Hippies, Vietnam, "counterculture" and other social effects made ham radio "square" in the eyes of many young people."
REALY? Now i know where i went wrong ....
WA4GCH
US ARMY
1968 - 1970
Quote[/b] (w4rot @ Jan. 25 2006,12:17)]Visit the ClassicEffects Part. (http://www.schematicheaven.com/)
I just missed it the first time.
I have no problem backtracking.
Enjoy!
w4rot
Glad you posted that site.
Looking at the old diagrams sure brought back memories.
I got to meet Jim Marshall at NAMM in Anaheim two years ago, and that was cool. His amps sure had an effect on Rock and Roll.
Valve amps still can't be beat.
73 - Bob
Quote[/b] (wa4gch @ Jan. 25 2006,12:51)]#
Quote[/b] ]"Hippies, Vietnam, "counterculture" and other social effects made ham radio "square" in the eyes of many young people."
REALY?
Yep - really.
'Many', not 'most', and certainly not 'all'.
But a sizable percentage of the age groups that had produced most of the new hams of the 1950s were "turned off' to ham radio "establishment" in the 1960s.
I don't think there was a ham station at Woodstock, for example, even with hundreds of thousands of people there.
Quote[/b] ]Now i know where i went wrong ....
Who says you went wrong? Not me!
73 de Jim, N2EY
licensed 1967, age 13
Quote[/b] (w4rot @ Jan. 25 2006,12:17)]
Quote[/b] ]Quote[/b] ]Hippies, Vietnam, "counterculture" and other social effects made ham radio "square" in the eyes of many young people.
Can't hang with you on this one sir.
Visit the ClassicEffects Part. (http://www.schematicheaven.com/)
I just missed it the first time.
I have no problem backtracking.
Enjoy!
Musical instrument amps and audio studio stuff are great, but they're not ham radio.
I knew a *lot* of technically-minded young folks
back in those days who went into audio rather than radio.
73 de Jim, N2EY
"It goes up to 11!" - (This Is Spinal Tap)
wa4gch
01-26-2006, 12:02 AM
"73 de Jim, N2EY licensed 1967, age 13 "
Lissin up you wipper snapper! This was my 6 meter #station at ft Knox in 68 ...
Quote[/b] (KB0KMJ @ Jan. 25 2006,09:25)]One of my favorite aspects of amateur radio is all of the fighting. There is nothing more relaxing after a long day at work than to come home and fight with people. Yes it is so much fun to go round and round about the same subject over and over. Using lots of words but really saying nothing. It is even fun to take the occasional jab below the belt and call someone stupid or use the ?F? word. Oh how I love this hobby!
Mike, its just on QRZ, and maybe a little on the air on ssb...but other than that, i really dont hear infighting.
This place is unhealthy, some spend entirely way too much time here for one reason or another.
Nathan? hes just his own entity...not very important, anything that can be said about him has already been said.
But ham radio has been through plenty of changes, as evidenced by N2EY's post (which i enjoyed), change is good.
QRZ is a very helpful website, but the forum is nothing more than a battlefield anymore.
QRZ without the forum would be most helpful...
...heres something to check out, find a thread that starts with a post about something like...oh, say...military apprecition day operations...not very controversial, just about everyone can agree on its content.
It runs its entirety with maybe 10 to 20 posts total...if that.
THEN, start a thread about something like code/no code, newbies, BPL or something else that gets attention but CAN be discussed in a normal manner.
It starts out with the first 5 to 10 comments being a general discussion...then decends into a melee with instigators, OT's set in their ways, people trying to calm everyone down, someone not wording something just right and getting attacked...and maybe one or two people actually making sense in a clear frame of mind.
Most just get sucked into the fight and become people they usually arent normally.
Mob mentality can rule easily here, even i got myself into it for no good reason...and it really wasnt worth it. I stand by everything i say, but it just wasnt worth it.
and what was the original thread about?? just some folks wanting to play with some straight keys and have a little fun....look what happened.
QRZ is quickly losing its charm on me...i really appreciate the call lookup, and the many other features, but this forum thing is killing us. it allows us to turn into a soccer game....we stop enjoying the game and start stomping eachother.
Ham radio is fine, its changing...and as long as there are at least 2 licensed hams out there, we will have ham radio in some form or another. this forum seems to bring out the worst in us...i bet even N1IR is a nice guy to chat with on the air, hes a wahoo in here...he probably has a ton of knowledge that could help, and his 'thinking forward' mentality is not a bad one, many of our ranks ONLY look backwards and shun new technology. but look what this place allows him to become. looking back at some of these posts, i dont like what it made ME become. how often do we talk like this to eachother at the swap meet?
I have been having fun talking to SKCC members on the air, will continue to do so. and ive been at the SKCC website conversing in a normal way. I hope we can level off and remain decent human beings. thats all i have.
73...N7YA
Quote[/b] (N7YA @ Jan. 25 2006,19:49)]Quote[/b] (KB0KMJ @ Jan. 25 2006,09:25)]One of my favorite aspects of amateur radio is all of the fighting. There is nothing more relaxing after a long day at work than to come home and fight with people. Yes it is so much fun to go round and round about the same subject over and over. Using lots of words but really saying nothing. It is even fun to take the occasional jab below the belt and call someone stupid or use the ?F? word. Oh how I love this hobby!
Mike, its just on QRZ, and maybe a little on the air on ssb...but other than that, i really dont hear infighting.
This place is unhealthy, some spend entirely way too much time here for one reason or another.
Nathan? #hes just his own entity...not very important, anything that can be said about him has already been said.
But ham radio has been through plenty of changes, as evidenced by N2EY's post (which i enjoyed), change is good.
QRZ is a very helpful website, but the forum is nothing more than a battlefield anymore.
QRZ without the forum would be most helpful...
...heres something to check out, find a thread that starts with a post about something like...oh, say...military apprecition day operations...not very controversial, just about everyone can agree on its content.
It runs its entirety with maybe 10 to 20 posts total...if that.
THEN, start a thread about something like code/no code, newbies, BPL or something else that gets attention but CAN be discussed in a normal manner.
It starts out with the first 5 to 10 comments being a general discussion...then decends into a melee with instigators, OT's set in their ways, people trying to calm everyone down, someone not wording something just right and getting attacked...and maybe one or two people actually making sense in a clear frame of mind.
Most just get sucked into the fight and become people they usually arent normally.
Mob mentality can rule easily here, even i got myself into it for no good reason...and it really wasnt worth it. I stand by everything i say, but it just wasnt worth it.
and what was the original thread about?? #just some folks wanting to play with some straight keys and have a little fun....look what happened.
QRZ is quickly losing its charm on me...i really appreciate the call lookup, and the many other features, but this forum thing is killing us. it allows us to turn into a soccer game....we stop enjoying the game and start stomping eachother.
Ham radio is fine, its changing...and as long as there are at least 2 licensed hams out there, we will have ham radio in some form or another. this forum seems to bring out the worst in us...i bet even N1IR is a nice guy to chat with on the air, hes a wahoo in here...he probably has a ton of knowledge that could help, and his 'thinking forward' mentality is not a bad one, many of our ranks ONLY look backwards and shun new technology. but look what this place allows him to become. looking back at some of these posts, i dont like what it made ME become. how often do we talk like this to eachother at the swap meet?
I have been having fun talking to SKCC members on the air, will continue to do so. and ive been at the SKCC website conversing in a normal way. I hope we can level off and remain decent human beings. thats all i have.
73...N7YA
Adam Taylor, N7YA, of Las Vegas, NV consistently and continually manifests personal attacks and false characterizations. He continues to do so without any provocation on my part. I wish to publicly remind the group of his self-professed motivation:
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Quote (N7YA @ Jan. 20 2006,11:05)
You say i am personally attacking you? #you bet...
Unquote
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Such motivations and harassment are contrary to the T&C's of QRZ.com, as defined by QRZ.com
I am going to singularly, publicly, #and definitively request that Mr. Taylor stop this harassment of personal attacks and false characterizations.
Thanks.
Chip N1IR
wr1tx
01-26-2006, 03:55 PM
As for me, SKCC has been a lot of fun so far. I agree with Melinda; it's been far more than just exchanging 599s and such...you get to know the op at the other end.
SKCC has really gotten me on the air using CW far more than I ever have in 15 years as a ham. It has the right intent, and I'm glad to be a part of this. Everyone has had good input on the awards portion, and there has been a lot of interesting conversation about straight keys, QSL cards, antennas, QRP, and more. We are being positively stimulated in our hobby, and THAT'S been needed for a long time.
I've also sent in my FISTS membership so I can be even more active in the hobby, especially on CW. Both FISTS and SKCC are relevent today, and should sustain that for the foreseeable future. I'll enjoy both groups without any problem.
BTW, I don't see anything wrong about being "retro-digital." Isn't "retro" supposed to be in on a lot of things now???
Warren / WR1TX
SKCC #228
10M showing signs of life...just had a nice QSO with Ci, WU7R #022 in MT!
I am finally up to 7 skcc qso's...I am using the J48A quite a bit. And i am actually going to make the trip to Dayton this year to meet W1TP. I have chatted with him in email and have taken a few of his extras off his hands. :-)
I may even drag a few of my good keys with me and see if i can trade up. i would hope to see a few of you guys there...bring your keys!! we may make a deal!
73...Adam, N7YA #410
Quote[/b] (wr1tx @ Jan. 26 2006,08:55)]As for me, SKCC has been a lot of fun so far. I agree with Melinda; it's been far more than just exchanging 599s and such...you get to know the op at the other end.
SKCC has really gotten me on the air using CW far more than #I ever have in 15 years as a ham. It has the right intent, and I'm glad to be a part of this. Everyone has had good input on the awards portion, and there has been a lot of interesting conversation about straight keys, QSL cards, antennas, QRP, and more. We are being positively stimulated in our hobby, and THAT'S been needed for a long time.
I've also sent in my FISTS membership so I can be even more active in the hobby, especially on CW. Both FISTS and SKCC are relevent today, and should sustain that for the foreseeable future. I'll enjoy both groups without any problem.
BTW, I don't see anything wrong about being "retro-digital." Isn't "retro" supposed to be in on a lot of things now???
Warren / WR1TX
SKCC #228
Unlike some would say, the SKCC has given hams another reason to get on the air.
Bottom line in keeping frequencies, is getting on those frequencies. Usage is number 1. Doesn't matter about what key you use. Or how bad you key, as the activity is what counts. An SOS from a hack is better then dead air.
Not hard to understand, now is it?
Great Job.
W6NJ
I agree, i have gotten back into collecting again because of this...its nice to adjust a late 1800's key from the old box that i havent seen in a while. im in the proccess of locating the parts i need to complete some of the keys i have that are missing some stuff, paddles, knobs, springs, etc...its satisfying to get an old key up and running again that hasnt seen action since it was used by some young GI in WWII...thats cool to me. its even better to put these great old instruments on the air.
I am happy to see the group nearing 1000 members, and with talks of a booth at Dayton, maybe we can meet a couple of folks from the club. I havent heard this much action on the novice bands in years...i mean, a lot of years! Its great to hear a guy in CA call cq and get jumped on by 3 stations in the novice bands!! whodathunkit!
This is real CW sent with real personality, i am starting to recognize who is who by the fist...havent dont THAT in years either. overall, this was one idea that worked.
Just a question...when do we get T shirts?? :-)
73...Adam, N7YA #410
kc8ypa
01-28-2006, 03:34 AM
OM N1RP's really slowing down! #Why, just a few pages ago, he was taking up at least 50% of the posts per page.
(I think he's actually a relative of Ralph Nader and secretly polishes his '59 Edsel under cover of the night.)
KFC (Key Fetishists Club) #90125
The only problem with being #1000 is all the dahs...and not to mention, whoever gets it will be constantly asked for a repeat. hi.
73...Adam, N7YA
KI4CIA
01-28-2006, 05:03 AM
Member number 1004 has just been issued, along with the first SKCC Centurion Award (W4DF). Not sure who has # '1K' yet ...
Quote[/b] (kc8ypa @ Jan. 27 2006,20:34)]OM N1RP's really slowing down! #Why, just a few pages ago, he was taking up at least 50% of the posts per page.
(I think he's actually a relative of Ralph Nader and secretly polishes his '59 Edsel under cover of the night.)
KFC (Key Fetishists Club) #90125
In this forum, we discuss things. We debate them. I introduce valid points and pose relevant questions. I get others to think. Once in a while I see thoughtful comments that get me to do so also.
For those who are too lazy, too ignorant, or perhaps too couched in propaganda tactics or mean spirits, one could introduce the false assumption that I discuss for the sake of discord or loquaciousness.
Sorry. Not me.
So can yet another false characterization.
Fetish with a hand key is socially deviant. It is not normal behavior. The item is merely a switch. I hope you understand that this is not how people are and I hope you will get professional help to get you back on track.
Also, I've seen my name changed--not to mention my call. Imagine the lack of trust that engenders to emergency folks when hams can't get TYPED names and calls right--let alone ones sent on a hand key.
73,
Chip N1IR
Looks like we got bumped down a bit, we may be wrapping this thread up soon. We are well over 1000 members now and it keeps going up. bands are a bit slow today, im hearing things but nothing strong...we are at the true bottom of the cycle, it seems. well, i think we have succeeded with this thread so im going to take it back to the SKCC site and continue the conversation in a real forum amongst invited friends...good job, everyone.
And on a final note...i am truly amazed at how angry a telegraph key can make someone, heh heh....Skip, N1IP should just relax, its not healthy to get this upset about other people having fun without you. So Mitch, N2IJ...i am truly , deeply and regretfully sorry for the pain, agony and suffering that I, and my fellow constituents, have caused you. the pain and bereavement must be unbearable to have laid so dear a commitment as being a pioneer in the field of fractal antenna work and not be recognized for the brilliant genius that you so obviously are.
I am no longer angry with you, i have come to know you a bit more, we all have...all your posts have done was expose you as a personal attacker of characters, an insecure man...a VERY insecure man, and someone who needs attention badly...to the point of desperately throwing out jabs to try to get someone...ANYONE...to respond and pay attention to you, to basically validate you... so i will be a gentleman and throw you one last bone before i leave this thread. consider it charity.
Kim, K1IR, has probably helped the SKCC grow stronger a little bit...at least on QRZ. Folks, I hear a 'cq skcc' on the air right now...and i am going to answer....with my straight key. take care all, this is it for me on here. :-)
...oh and Trip, N4TR...have a good one buddy, keep up the great work on that fractal antenna stuff. <big thumbs up>
73...Adam, N7YA
a very proud skcc #410
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Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 28 2006,05:34)]Quote[/b] (kc8ypa @ Jan. 27 2006,20:34)]OM N1RP's really slowing down! #Why, just a few pages ago, he was taking up at least 50% of the posts per page.
(I think he's actually a relative of Ralph Nader and secretly polishes his '59 Edsel under cover of the night.)
KFC (Key Fetishists Club) #90125
In this forum, we discuss things. We debate them. I introduce valid points and pose relevant questions. I get others to think. Once in a while I see thoughtful comments that get me to do so also.
For those who are too lazy, too ignorant, or perhaps too couched in propaganda tactics or mean spirits, one could introduce the false assumption that I discuss for the sake of discord or loquaciousness.
Sorry. Not me.
So can yet another false characterization.
Fetish with a hand key is socially deviant. It is not normal behavior. The item is merely a switch. I hope you understand that this is not how people are and I hope you will get professional help to get you back on track.
Also, I've seen my name changed--not to mention my call. Imagine the lack of trust that engenders to emergency folks when hams can't get TYPED names and calls right--let alone ones sent on a hand key.
73,
Chip N1IR
What?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?
"A #Fetish with a hand key is socially deviant" If you use a hand key, "I hope you will get professional help to get you back on track".
You are calling people that use a straight key "socially deviant"
You have got to be the most "socially deviant" human being that I have ever seen.
Did you hear about 9/11/01, or did you read about Normandy Beach? I'm sure you are an expert on both.
You ARE an EXPERT on EVERYTHING.
Deviant is a word that you don't even deserve. Yes you are, but that word would be too much of a milestone for you to reach.
What is "socially deviant"?
Is Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden just "socially deviant"? #or "fun news" while the rest of us play "real deviant (CW) games"?
But I wouldn't be suprised if you said, that we deserved it (9/11). Fill us in Nathan?
Did we get what we deserved http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?? (Skip N2GR)
I really want to know http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
Tell us how we should pay for screwing poor UBL.
Tell us how we should commit suicide for using a straight key?
You are the sickest JO,that I have read on any thread.
Using a straight key is what?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
Unreal......
In case that the wording is too hard for you to understand, I will make it real simple for your sorry ass.
You are not a Ham, you are the anti-ham. You are everything that is in every ham's nightmare. You are someone that thinks they are God, but not quite God, now are you? You are the Nathan Ham, that knows all.
I sure can't wait for your reply to tell me what an ass I am. Other hams are waiting as well, my Lord.
73 - Bob
Quote[/b] (W6NJ @ Jan. 28 2006,20:34)]Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 28 2006,05:34)]Quote[/b] (kc8ypa @ Jan. 27 2006,20:34)]OM N1RP's really slowing down! #Why, just a few pages ago, he was taking up at least 50% of the posts per page.
(I think he's actually a relative of Ralph Nader and secretly polishes his '59 Edsel under cover of the night.)
KFC (Key Fetishists Club) #90125
In this forum, we discuss things. We debate them. I introduce valid points and pose relevant questions. I get others to think. Once in a while I see thoughtful comments that get me to do so also.
For those who are too lazy, too ignorant, or perhaps too couched in propaganda tactics or mean spirits, one could introduce the false assumption that I discuss for the sake of discord or loquaciousness.
Sorry. Not me.
So can yet another false characterization.
Fetish with a hand key is socially deviant. It is not normal behavior. The item is merely a switch. I hope you understand that this is not how people are and I hope you will get professional help to get you back on track.
Also, I've seen my name changed--not to mention my call. Imagine the lack of trust that engenders to emergency folks when hams can't get TYPED names and calls right--let alone ones sent on a hand key.
73,
Chip N1IR
What?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?
"A #Fetish with a hand key is socially deviant" If you use a hand key, "I hope you will get professional help to get you back on track".
You are calling people that use a straight key "socially deviant"
You have got to be the most "socially deviant" human being that I have ever seen.
Did you hear about 9/11/01, or did you read about Normandy Beach? I'm sure you are an expert on both.
You ARE an EXPERT on EVERYTHING.
Deviant is a word that you don't even deserve. Yes you are, but that word would be too much of a milestone for you to reach.
What is "socially deviant"?
Is Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden just "socially deviant"? #or "fun news" while the rest of us play "real deviant (CW) games"?
But I wouldn't be suprised if you said, that we deserved it (9/11). Fill us in Nathan?
Did we get what we deserved http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?? (Skip N2GR)
I really want to know http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
Tell us how we should pay for screwing poor UBL.
Tell us how we should commit suicide for using a straight key?
You are the sickest JO,that I have read on any thread.
Using a straight key is what?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
Unreal......
In case that the wording is too hard for you to understand, I will make it real simple for your sorry ass.
You are not a Ham, you are the anti-ham. You are everything that is in every ham's nightmare. You are someone that thinks they are God, but not quite God, now are you? You are the Nathan Ham, that knows all.
I sure can't wait for your reply to tell me what an ass I am. Other hams are waiting as well, my Lord.
73 - Bob
Nope. I most certainly did not say that.
But it's a powerful propaganda topic to takes someone's comments and ADD to them to make it appear that they did say it.
Congratulations. You and the Nazis now have something in common.
If you have an obsessive reverence for hand keys then that is very much outside of societal norms. It is a fetish for a switch.
Using a hand key to communicate is nerdy, but that's hardly what I described sport.
The hand key is the topic of the fetish. The use of it to exercise a skill is something else entirely. Unless you have obsessive reverence for the skill, and that would be considered abnormal.
I don't know anyone who has that.
I have no intention of describing my feelings on the war, other than we are at war, some believe it will last for generations, and some hear the call.
I am a proud American. That much I will tell you.
The 'Anti-ham'? Man, I bet you gave lotsa folks belly laughs on that one.
Nice try.
Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 28 2006,21:39)]Congratulations. You and the Nazis now have something in common.
Me and the Nazis http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
You ask if I am Nazi? Maybe you are avoiding the question about 9/11?
That's OK Comrade.
Me and the Nazis?
I don't remember calling you a deviant freak?
But those that use a straight key are?
Now, hams using straight keys have to defend themselves from you that call them Nazis freaks?
You are the freak, my freind.
A total freak. 100% Freak City.....
Unreal.....
Anyone that has a problem with folks that do CW with a straight key, and calls it a fetish, should be put away somewhere. Just my opinion.
73 - Bob
Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 28 2006,21:39)]Quote[/b] (W6NJ @ Jan. 28 2006,20:34)]Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 28 2006,05:34)]Quote[/b] (kc8ypa @ Jan. 27 2006,20:34)]OM N1RP's really slowing down! #Why, just a few pages ago, he was taking up at least 50% of the posts per page.
(I think he's actually a relative of Ralph Nader and secretly polishes his '59 Edsel under cover of the night.)
KFC (Key Fetishists Club) #90125
In this forum, we discuss things. We debate them. I introduce valid points and pose relevant questions. I get others to think. Once in a while I see thoughtful comments that get me to do so also.
For those who are too lazy, too ignorant, or perhaps too couched in propaganda tactics or mean spirits, one could introduce the false assumption that I discuss for the sake of discord or loquaciousness.
Sorry. Not me.
So can yet another false characterization.
Fetish with a hand key is socially deviant. It is not normal behavior. The item is merely a switch. I hope you understand that this is not how people are and I hope you will get professional help to get you back on track.
Also, I've seen my name changed--not to mention my call. Imagine the lack of trust that engenders to emergency folks when hams can't get TYPED names and calls right--let alone ones sent on a hand key.
73,
Chip N1IR
What?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?
"A #Fetish with a hand key is socially deviant" If you use a hand key, "I hope you will get professional help to get you back on track".
You are calling people that use a straight key "socially deviant"
You have got to be the most "socially deviant" human being that I have ever seen.
Did you hear about 9/11/01, or did you read about Normandy Beach? I'm sure you are an expert on both.
You ARE an EXPERT on EVERYTHING.
Deviant is a word that you don't even deserve. Yes you are, but that word would be too much of a milestone for you to reach.
What is "socially deviant"?
Is Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden just "socially deviant"? #or "fun news" while the rest of us play "real deviant (CW) games"?
But I wouldn't be suprised if you said, that we deserved it (9/11). Fill us in Nathan?
Did we get what we deserved http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?? (Skip N2GR)
I really want to know http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
Tell us how we should pay for screwing poor UBL.
Tell us how we should commit suicide for using a straight key?
You are the sickest JO,that I have read on any thread.
Using a straight key is what?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
Unreal......
In case that the wording is too hard for you to understand, I will make it real simple for your sorry ass.
You are not a Ham, you are the anti-ham. You are everything that is in every ham's nightmare. You are someone that thinks they are God, but not quite God, now are you? You are the Nathan Ham, that knows all.
I sure can't wait for your reply to tell me what an ass I am. Other hams are waiting as well, my Lord.
73 - Bob
Nope. I most certainly did not say that. (Me neither Chip)
But it's a powerful propaganda topic to takes someone's comments and ADD to them to make it appear that they did say it.
Congratulations. You and the Nazis now have something in common.
If you have an obsessive reverence for hand keys then that is very much outside of societal norms. It is a fetish for a switch.
Using a hand key to communicate is nerdy, but that's hardly what I described sport.
The hand key is the topic of the fetish. The use of it to exercise a skill is something else entirely. Unless you have obsessive reverence for the skill, and that would be considered abnormal.
I don't know anyone who has that.
I have no intention of describing my feelings on the war, other than we are at war, some believe it will last for generations, and some hear the call.
I am a proud American. That much I will tell you.
The 'Anti-ham'? Man, I bet you gave lotsa folks belly laughs on that one.
Nice try.
By the way Skippy.
No one defends you, as you type your BS.
Most hams are very polite, and they don't say anything about your crap. They are much smarter then me, and just ignore your garbage.
You really are a sorry little ass, when you have to call people Nazis.
You wouldn't have enough horsepower to be a Nazi, let alone find anyone that agreed with you on this forum. (Please name one?).
Stop trying to find someone to impress. Those that can read, already know you are a JA. I hope they are laughing, as what you present is something to laugh about.
You are a mean spirited AH, that just wants to make ham radio a joke. That is a fact, and every ham knows that to be a fact. You can call us Nazis, or any other buzz word you can find, but we know who and what you are Skip.. or Chip.. or DIPP.....
QUOTE: "The 'Anti-ham'? Man, I bet you gave lotsa folks belly laughs on that one.".... Yep, your right Chip, everyone knows that you are on ham radio's side??? What an ASS I AM SKIP...
Just my thoughts. From the heart
73- Bob
Bob--
I'm sure you are a nice person. That is, I'm sure you have that capacity.
Please look back at what you just said on the last few posts and asked yourself if this is how you want others to see you.
IMO, this series of comments does not represent the amateur radio service well.
I stand by my Nazi allusion: your use of propaganda to misrepresent is a technique often used by that devilish group.
73,
Chip N1IR
Quote[/b] (ai4cb @ Jan. 29 2006,05:54)]Gee whiz guys!
How in the heck did we get from a handful of hams promoting straight keys for fun, to calling each other Nazis?
Never mind... I don't think I want to know.
Everyone needs to back down a bit, turn the computer off and go turn the rigs on today. Use a straight key if you enjoy. Use Echolink if you enjoy that. Doesn't matter.
No one called anyone a Nazi. However, in your false imputation, you have just shown the power of that technique, perhaps inadvertantly.
Connecting a true statement with a false one, to convey a different meaning, is an unfortunate tool, in this case used to misrepresent who I am, what I said, and what I bring to this discussion topic.
The Nazis used this technique often. Hence my comment that W6NJ and the Nazis now have something in common. He has used the technique many times before, and after, my comment.
It is an interesting question why some hams feel compelled to do this. It does not represent the amateur radio service in a positive light.
A brief recapitulation on my opinions.
FETISH interest in hand-keys: BA-AA-D
USE OF HAND KEYS IN GENERAL: #NEE-RR-DY
CW SKILL SET FROM USING A HAND KEY: GOO-OO--D
SKCC(NOW PROMOTING THAT SKILL SET): OOOOO--KAY
N1IR OWNS AND USES HAND KEY: YEE-EE--SS
N1IR USES HAND KEY: RA--AR--ELY
Get? Got it?
Good.
73,
Chip N1IR
Quote[/b] (ai4cb @ Jan. 29 2006,05:54)]Gee whiz guys!
How in the heck did we get from a handful of hams promoting straight keys for fun, to calling each other Nazis?
Never mind... I don't think I want to know.
Everyone needs to back down a bit, turn the computer off and go turn the rigs on today. Use a straight key if you enjoy. Use Echolink if you enjoy that. Doesn't matter.
Just having some fun with the Doc. He hasn't had any bait for a while. Now I have been called a nazi by K1MAN and N1IR. Do I get a badge or something?
To get stirred up like this over hand keys is beyond funny.
The entertainment is priceless, for everything else there is mastercard.
73 - Bob
Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 29 2006,05:50)]Bob--
I'm sure you are a nice person. That is, I'm sure you have that capacity.
Gee,
Being called a nazi freak, is supposed bring out a persons nice side? I'm a real nice person, but not to people that are rude and insulting.
Who are you kidding, you live for this stuff, and in that way I am your best buddy. If I didn't bait you, what in the world would you do.
By the way, this forum isn't ham radio. This is a sleazy internet bar.
Sorry though, play time is over.
73 - Bob
kc2egl
01-29-2006, 03:11 PM
There is a facility for Chip located in eastern Queens county just before the NYC/Nassau border called Creedmore. They can offer lots of help for Chip. I would drive by this facility everytime I went to a club meeting, club board meeting, or to classes to learn CW for my upgrade to General. Hey Chip (or Nathan, which ever you prefer)take a trip to a great city and visit Creedmore.
You may enjoy it.
Now back to the friends I have made at the SKCC site.
Quote[/b] (N7YA @ Jan. 27 2006,21:24)]The only problem with being #1000 is all the dahs...and not to mention, whoever gets it will be constantly asked for a repeat. hi.
73...Adam, N7YA
Actually, on SK CW the accepted practice for a long time has been to send an extra long dah ("dahhhhh") for "zero". Can't do it with a keyer, of course, but perfectly acceptable with a real key.
So 1,000 is dit dahhhhh dahhhhh dahhhhhh.
VY 73 DE K4JF SKCC 430
Quote[/b] (kc2egl @ Jan. 29 2006,08:11)]There is a facility for Chip located in eastern Queens county just before the NYC/Nassau border called Creedmore. #They can offer lots of help for Chip. #I would drive by this facility everytime I went to a club meeting, club board meeting, or to classes to learn CW for my upgrade to General. #Hey Chip (or Nathan, which ever you prefer)take a trip to a great city and visit Creedmore.
You may enjoy it.
Now back to the friends I have made at the SKCC site.
heheh!
I live in Belmont. That tops your allusion.
I used to see Ray Charles go in for a coffee before his limo dropped him off at the Pavilion (MacLean)--or what was to become the Pavilion--for some luxury, detox, and mental conditioning (I assume).
Sorry, I am too healthy and happy for your suggestion. My drugs of choice are aspirin, and metamucil. Sparingly, of course.
I guess coffee has caffeine--that's a drug. Add that one to my list.
Quote[/b] (W6NJ @ Jan. 29 2006,07:35)]Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 29 2006,05:50)]Bob--
I'm sure you are a nice person. That is, I'm sure you have that capacity.
Gee,
Being called a nazi freak, is supposed bring out a persons nice side? I'm a real nice person, but not to people that are rude and insulting.
Who are you kidding, you live for this stuff, and in that way I am your best buddy. If I didn't bait you, what in the world would you do.
By the way, this forum isn't ham radio. This is a sleazy internet bar.
Sorry though, play time is over.
73 - Bob
Well Bob,
Having a nice conversation about ham topics for starters.
Otherwise, you aren't even on my radar.
Quote[/b] (W6NJ @ Jan. 29 2006,07:18)]Quote[/b] (ai4cb @ Jan. 29 2006,05:54)]Gee whiz guys!
How in the heck did we get from a handful of hams promoting straight keys for fun, to calling each other Nazis?
Never mind... I don't think I want to know.
Everyone needs to back down a bit, turn the computer off and go turn the rigs on today. Use a straight key if you enjoy. Use Echolink if you enjoy that. Doesn't matter.
Just having some fun with the Doc. He hasn't had any bait for a while. Now I have been called a nazi by K1MAN and N1IR. Do I get a badge or something?
To get stirred up like this over hand keys is beyond funny.
The entertainment is priceless, for everything else there is mastercard.
73 - Bob
No one here called you a Nazi.
Quote[/b] (W6NJ @ Jan. 28 2006,22:34)]Most hams are very polite.... They are much smarter then me....
Just my thoughts. From the heart
73- Bob
Yes. These appear to be true.
Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 29 2006,05:56)]USE OF HAND KEYS IN GENERAL: NEE-RR-DY
...looking at the pic up on your bio....im sorry, exactly WHAT were you saying about nerdy?? <snicker>
oh damn, i said i was going to drop this...ok, im out.
73...Adam, N7YA
Quote[/b] (K4JF @ Jan. 29 2006,08:17)]73...Adam, N7YA
Actually, on SK CW the accepted practice for a long time has been to send an extra long dah ("dahhhhh") for "zero". Can't do it with a keyer, of course, but perfectly acceptable with a real key.
So 1,000 is dit dahhhhh dahhhhh dahhhhhh.
VY 73 DE K4JF SKCC 430[/quote]
true, i usually only do that during a contest. the way the bands have been lately and considering most of our group are just starting out or rediscovering the joy of manual code...its probably best to give them the five-dah number...its ok, we usually have the time since the idea is to just talk, get to know one another and have a conversation with hands on methods.
I have heard during contest an abreviated 1000 as being "ATTT"...most contesters minds are already geared at 1000 mph so they wont say AGN? (unless my puny signal was calling, hi). im usually on the bug during the QRM-fest anyway.
Besides, if i sent dit daaaaaaaaah daaaaaaaaah daaaaaah...i would sound like im sending an arrogant "J". heh heh. i was just goofing anyway. :-)
73...Adam, N7YA #410
Quote[/b] (K4JF @ Jan. 29 2006,08:17)][
73...Adam, N7YA
Actually, on SK CW the accepted practice for a long time has been to send an extra long dah ("dahhhhh") for "zero". Can't do it with a keyer, of course, but perfectly acceptable with a real key.
So 1,000 is dit dahhhhh dahhhhh dahhhhhh.
VY 73 DE K4JF SKCC 430[/QUOTE]
whoa!! sorry, i meant to quote this...sorry...
Quote[/b] (N7YA @ Jan. 29 2006,15:32)]Quote[/b] (K4JF @ Jan. 29 2006,08:17)]73...Adam, N7YA
Actually, on SK CW the accepted practice for a long time has been to send an extra long dah ("dahhhhh") for "zero". #Can't do it with a keyer, of course, but perfectly acceptable with a real key.
So 1,000 is dit dahhhhh dahhhhh dahhhhhh.
VY 73 DE K4JF SKCC 430
true, i usually only do that during a contest. the way the bands have been lately and considering most of our group are just starting out or rediscovering the joy of manual code...its probably best to give them the five-dah number...its ok, we usually have the time since the idea is to just talk, get to know one another and have a conversation with hands on methods.
I have heard during contest an abreviated 1000 as being "ATTT"...most contesters minds are already geared at 1000 mph so they wont say AGN? (unless my puny signal was calling, hi). im usually on the bug during the QRM-fest anyway.
Besides, if i sent dit daaaaaaaaah daaaaaaaaah daaaaaah...i would sound like im sending an arrogant "J". heh heh. i was just goofing anyway. :-)
73...Adam, N7YA #410[/QUOTE]
Heh, heh, good points, Adam. Noted. I've done that when the other station comes back to me and calls me K4AF. :o)
I don't contest (not since I was a Novice) but, yes, that is where you hear it most.
VY 73 DE K4JF SKCC 430
kc8ypa
01-31-2006, 12:09 AM
OM N1RP's really slowing down! (Should be N1IL, according to Chip.)
(SNIP SNIP)
(I think he's actually a relative of Ralph Nader and secretly polishes his '59 Edsel under cover of the night.)
KFC (Key Fetishists Club) #90125
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In this forum, we discuss things. We debate them. I introduce valid points and pose relevant questions. I get others to think. Once in a while I see thoughtful comments that get me to do so also.
============
No, you simply troll.
============
For those who are too lazy, too ignorant, or perhaps too couched in propaganda tactics or mean spirits, one could introduce the false assumption that I discuss for the sake of discord or loquaciousness.
============
Same as above.
============
Sorry. Not me.
So can yet another false characterization.
============
Is that a cleverly disguised sentence - either declarative or interrogative?
============
Fetish with a hand key is socially deviant. It is not normal behavior. The item is merely a switch. I hope you understand that this is not how people are and I hope you will get professional help to get you back on track.
============
Do you have a shred of a sense of humor?
============
Also, I've seen my name changed--not to mention my call. Imagine the lack of trust that engenders to emergency folks when hams can't get TYPED names and calls right--let alone ones sent on a hand key.
============
Yep, your name and callsign changed. #(Of course, unless you represent the Windy City Spanish FM Club, the callsign's bogus.) But you found the comment anyhow. #All's well that ends well.
Can you fathom the idea that emergency communications may be taken more seriously than internet message boards? #Maybe the callsigns would be correct during emergency communications? #Suspend your disbelief for a minute and consider the possibility!
Hmmm, no comment about polishing the Edsel. #Might you have one squirreled away in a garage?
73
Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 30 2006,22:50)]yAWNN
I knew I wasn't the only one being bored by your posts. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Jan. 30 2006,21:01)]Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 30 2006,22:50)]yAWNN
I knew I wasn't the only one being bored by your posts. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
That's quite alright. What a cop considers exciting may be different to others.
Like your qsl BTW. Nice pix.
Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Jan. 30 2006,20:50)]yAWNN
Here ya go Skippy!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
(tossing in a breathmint)
w8cbc
02-01-2006, 04:17 PM
Quote[/b] (K4JF @ Jan. 29 2006,08:17)]Quote[/b] (N7YA @ Jan. 27 2006,21:24)]The only problem with being #1000 is all the dahs...and not to mention, whoever gets it will be constantly asked for a repeat. hi.
73...Adam, N7YA
Actually, on SK CW the accepted practice for a long time has been to send an extra long dah ("dahhhhh") for "zero". Can't do it with a keyer, of course, but perfectly acceptable with a real key.
So 1,000 is dit dahhhhh dahhhhh dahhhhhh.
VY 73 DE K4JF SKCC 430
My problem is when I send 4 - people keep thinking they missed a character or three. 0004 is tiring. So, yeah, three long dahs and a 4. Then I get comments about being an OT. The thing's not been going a month yet, heehee.
MM0RZZ
02-04-2006, 04:08 PM
Holy mother of pearl...LONG dashes = 0, OK, OK..just have to order a new set of dash contacts for the "Original". Thought it was slow enough being
an MM0, ....I need some more dots in my life !
73s Ken MM0RZZ
PS I dont have the time to read all 31 pages...my email
to the founders of the SKCC seems to have bounced..have I missed something ?
Those who cannot change their minds are in danger of loosing their minds.
KI4CIA
02-05-2006, 01:14 AM
Hello Ken, you haven't missed much http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Your member number is 1256.
Welcome aboard and hope to catch you on the air!
73,
Melinda / KI4CIA
MM0RZZ
02-05-2006, 10:39 AM
Many thanks to Melinda and all who replied with info,am following up.
With so many interested in the beautifull mode how about a DX spotting section in QRZ that was CW only.
73s to all, Ken MM0RZZ SKCC 1256/FISTS 9835
Hi Ken, welcome to skcc...i wouldnt suggest putting anything like that on QRZ. we do, however, have skccgroup.com. as well as the yahoo group...a lot of good folks in this group and were happy to have you!
I am all for a cw dx spot and that would be a good place for it...but not here, it would be attacked and corrupted on this particular forum system. there are some good hams here, but also some troublemakers ready to ruin a good thing. but I would also suggest posting a spot on DXsummit when you work a fellow skcc member. put the skcc number and the usual info...many of us check it regularly. Tom KC9ECI has done this (actually, hes the only one who has done this so far).
Ken, im glad to have you aboard, i hope to work you in the near future...especially when the bands start to pick back up. cant wait for that!
73...Adam, N7YA
KB4AAC
02-27-2006, 05:16 AM
Is there any way to ignore a person on this forum? Normally I am impartial and just read for the pleasure of viewing a good discussion, but there is one person I wish I could block out. If someone knows how, please pass it on.
KD4MTG
03-24-2006, 02:42 AM
Where is all the SSB interference coming from that I am getting at about 3.722 ? It is eating into our bandspace for SKCC CW !!
KD4MTG
SKCC# 774
PE1RDW
03-24-2006, 08:07 AM
Quote[/b] (kd4mtg @ Mar. 23 2006,19:42)]Where is all the SSB interference coming from that I am getting at about 3.722 ? It is eating into our bandspace for SKCC CW !!
KD4MTG
SKCC# 774
It's in the phone/cw segment so it's not strange to find ssb there.
bandplan (http://www.ncdxf.org/Beacon/bandplan.html)
If your licence permits (I'n not familiar with usa licence) qrm free operation is below 3.535 (intercontinental below 3.510)
with a bit of filtering I'm able to recieve a CW signal under a ssb signal btw.
on an other note, are there still operators around that use "correct" code for numbers or has everyone switched to the abriviated version?