The different types of hams [Archive]

VE7NOT

12-28-2005, 06:33 AM

I like seeing the different hams shacks and seeing what group to class them in. A few i found are:

The echolinker:

Most are sadly older. They are tired of their hobby and figure there is no challenge anymore so they cheat and soon leave the air to go on the internet since it's no different.

The 2m 'cber' :

Most hams in my area it seems. All they do is use 2m.. In their car, shack and a portable elsewhere they are on 2m. All the do is talk to locals.

The builder ham:

On the air sometimes but not often. This ham's main tool is a soldering iron and he loves to build but operating is not as fun for him(her)

The never satified ham:

He/she started out with a wire and 2w. Now they have a beam and 1500w and keep buying to punch out through the QRM (mostly other hams they dont like)

The old timer:

The love 80m. They talk about life, jobs, money, fun and make 80m a fun band.

The 160m 'cber'. They hang out on 160 every night on the same freqency and talk about anything that comes to mind. They get boring to listen to after a while.

The DXer:

The wall is is covered with qsl cards. They only get on to make quick contacts.

The geek:

Uses only packet. Has never looked at his radio since he hooked it up.

The cber:

Uses 11m locally but has fun on his/her ham radio talking to new friends meeting new people

The coder:

Only uses code. Only knows two words. Dit and Dah.

The swl:

(more like me) Listens mostly. Has fun scanning bands to see whats happening.. ELW, LW, MW, SW, VHF, UHF......red light its all the same to them. They love to listen. Talking is fun. But they have more fun loggin utility stations on hf or picking out that airport beacon in alaska.

The idiot:

Spends to much time on qrz boards. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif j/k http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

VE7NOT

12-28-2005, 06:41 AM

I forgot the best one.

The 80m broddcaster:

Broadcats music on 3840 with am mode nightly from cali http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

W8EFA

12-28-2005, 07:47 AM

Quote[/b] ]The swl:

(more like me) Listens mostly. Has fun scanning bands to see whats happening.. ELW, LW, MW, SW, VHF, UHF......red light its all the same to them. They love to listen. Talking is fun. But they have more fun loggin utility stations on hf or picking out that airport beacon in alaska.

Wow you are so cool.....NOT
A legend in your own mind..
From your postings you seem to be more of a CB'er

VE7NOT

12-28-2005, 07:54 AM

Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Dec. 28 2005,00:47)]Quote[/b] ]The swl:

(more like me) Listens mostly. Has fun scanning bands to see whats happening.. ELW, LW, MW, SW, VHF, UHF......red light its all the same to them. They love to listen. Talking is fun. But they have more fun loggin utility stations on hf or picking out that airport beacon in alaska.

Wow you are so cool.....NOT
A legend in your own mind..
From your postings you seem to be more of a CB'er
Never said i was a legend lol.

No true I am a cber type as mentioned above too.. But I do alot of swl so i'm in both.

W8EFA

12-28-2005, 08:01 AM

I think you could use a lot more experience as a HAM before you can factually pigeonhole the different types of operators. #Your post was rather demeaning coming from a CB lover with little ham experience IMO. #Have you tried Packet, DX, etc?

Also you forgot contesters - probably think they are stupid also?

ZR1AM

12-28-2005, 10:21 AM

I use 2m and 11m locally. I love my 80 and 40m and I also build and do DX when I can. What I like about our hobby, is that there is something for all of us.

w5lda

12-28-2005, 02:39 PM

Wow,,,Howdy Doody without his hat

K9STH

12-28-2005, 03:25 PM

VSG:

Howdy Doody didn't wear a hat!

I believe that Mr. Filabuster did once in a while, but definitely not Howdy Doody.

Now, for the question of the day. What famous person was the original Clarabell the Clown on the Howdy Doody Show?

Second question: Who was the voice of Howdy Doody?

Glen, K9STH

W2ILP

12-28-2005, 04:49 PM

Howdy Doody was recognized by the leader of the FCC at that time... as the most prominent example of TV's vast wasteland. It taught nothing of value to the young kids who were its targets. If it wasn't for Howdy Doody I don't think they could have ever raised the money needed to produce Sesame Street on PBS stations.

My kids parodied Howdy Doodies theme song:

Its Howdy Doody Time;
So brush your teeth with slime,
Come on and join the show..
Ask Buffalo when you have to go.

I don't know where my kids learned that...BUT the show was not pretaped and I do remember a kid asking Buffalo Bob to let him out of the peanut gallery for a trip to the boy's room. No kidding.

Anybody who could blow a horn could have been Clarabel the Clown.

w2ilp (Ignorant Little Program) Maybe Dubya watched it when he was a kid...Nah ...He doesn't know when it's time to go.

W2ILP

12-28-2005, 05:09 PM

I agree with ve7not's list. Those are all examples of different types of hams and we could probably think of some more exotic types that we have met.

I always end a lot of minor ham club debates about this subject by saying that: -
Ham Radio means different things to different people.

IMHO that may be why it is increasingly difficult to present Ham Radio to the general non-ham public. The hobby is so diverse that trying to explain what its Basis and Purpose is becomes muddled in complexity. It is easy to understand that a stamp collector collects stamps or that a coin collector collects coins...but I know many hams who no longer collect QSL cards... but still renew their ham license.

w2ilp ( I Left Philately)...I no longer collect stamps...I have no taste for the pregummed ones.

K0RGR

12-28-2005, 05:11 PM

Quote[/b] (VE7NOT @ Dec. 27 2005,23:33)]I like seeing the different hams shacks and seeing what group to class them in. A few i found are:

The echolinker:

Most are sadly older. They are tired of their hobby and figure there is no challenge anymore so they cheat and soon leave the air to go on the internet since it's no different.
There really must be something in the water on Vancouver Island.

When Al Gore and I invented the Internet, we never expected this kind of abuse from a wet-behind-the-ears foreigner.

Hey, I had two very nice QSO's on 40 meters last night. Yes, they were DIGITAL QSO's. I did go down and read the mail on the three CW QSO's taking place on 80 meters for a while. Boy, there's an incentive for somebody to learn the code and get his General! Three QSO's going on in prime time during Christmas week when half of North America is home from work! Yeah, the thrill, the challenge of it all...

But that's for another thread someplace... ZZZZZZzzzzzzz...

w8znx

12-28-2005, 05:17 PM

Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Dec. 28 2005,08:25)]VSG:

Howdy Doody didn't wear a hat!

I believe that Mr. Filabuster did once in a while, but definitely not Howdy Doody.

Now, for the question of the day. #What famous person was the original Clarabell the Clown on the Howdy Doody Show?

Second question: #Who was the voice of Howdy Doody?

Glen, K9STH

first question

won't just give it away

clue

# #Captain

ae1x

12-28-2005, 05:20 PM

Quote[/b] (w8znx @ Dec. 28 2005,12:17)]Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Dec. 28 2005,08:25)]VSG:

Howdy Doody didn't wear a hat!

I believe that Mr. Filabuster did once in a while, but definitely not Howdy Doody.

Now, for the question of the day. #What famous person was the original Clarabell the Clown on the Howdy Doody Show?

Second question: #Who was the voice of Howdy Doody?

Glen, K9STH

first question

won't just give it away

clue

# #Captain
Oh yes, Captain Kanagroo, Bob Keeshan!

Ken

KC9AFN

12-28-2005, 05:24 PM

Couldn't remember his name. Knew he was the captain though. That was a LONG time ago! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

n0jaa

12-28-2005, 08:07 PM

I tried Echolink. I wasn't impressed with it.

Paul, N0JAA.

w5lda

12-28-2005, 08:41 PM

Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Dec. 28 2005,03:25)]VSG:

Howdy Doody didn't wear a hat!

I believe that Mr. Filabuster did once in a while, but definitely not Howdy Doody.

Now, for the question of the day. #What famous person was the original Clarabell the Clown on the Howdy Doody Show?

Second question: #Who was the voice of Howdy Doody?

Glen, K9STH
Glen

I beg your pardon! Clearly these show him wearing a hat!
Now I know he didnt wear a hat on the show,but you definately can't say he did not wear one

Clarabell the clown------Bob Keesahn, Bobby Nicholson, Lew Anderson

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N0KLT

12-28-2005, 10:08 PM

Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Dec. 28 2005,09:25)]VSG:

Howdy Doody didn't wear a hat!

I believe that Mr. Filabuster did once in a while, but definitely not Howdy Doody.

Now, for the question of the day. What famous person was the original Clarabell the Clown on the Howdy Doody Show?

Second question: Who was the voice of Howdy Doody?

Glen, K9STH
Point of order. Wasn't it Mr Bluster not Mr Filabuster and as I remember, he wore a derby style hat.

On the first question, that's not even hard, Glen, all triva buffs know that one. I have to admit though, I don't ever remember hearing who did the voice of Hoody, but then again I didn't care either. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif I assume someplace somewhere has that information but I am wayyyyyyyy too lazy to look it up.

If Newton Minnow (or however he spelled his name) thought Hoody Doody was a vast wasteland, he obviously never watched some of the other shows on tv during those years. I also wonder what he would have thought of some of the shows that are on the air and cable channels these days. Especially some of the so-called reality shows like those pieces of dung that starred Paris Hilton and Jessica Simpson and some others.

W2ILP

12-29-2005, 01:27 AM

Yep #...The FCC Commissioner who said That TV was a vast wasteland was Newton Minnow. #He only cited Howdy Doody as an example of a children's program. #He thought that, with rare exception, all that was available in his day on TV was vastly wasteful.

Since that time some good TV programs have been aired between the much longer and frequent commercials. #
Today I saw a commercial for a hip replacement medical device that you are expected to ask your surgeon about by brand name if you happen to need a hip replacement. #The device must be very expensive if they can advertise it on TV to the general audience, when only a few may be seeking a mechanical hip at this time. #Besides the surgeons are the ones who should get these ads.... and the health insurance companies as well, so that they can advise that the surgeons use generic ones instead of any new expensive types that are advertised by name on TV.

Charlie McCarthy wore a top hat when he was first spoken for by Edgar Bergan. #It was the days of the depression and most of the audience could laugh at Charlie, as being a typical good-for-nothing Capitaslist...because the top hat was then a symbol of the affluent stock holder class (who wasn't in the busted class) and their playboy sons. #Most working folk and the unemployed also wore hats at that time. #They wore soft fedoras or caps... #Never top hats. #Later on Bergan and Charley worked hatless. #This was now the style...and lots of hatters and hat shops went out of business. # Yep at one time it was cool to be hatless...Later it became cool to be topless....and then radios and TV sets became cool by being tubeless. #Now it is hip not to be hipless and to be aware of the brand of your hip because we are in the Infoirmation Age.

w2ilp (Intentionally Lidded Performers?)...are now outdated.:p

kq6pr

12-29-2005, 03:37 AM

KQ6PR here. I have just this past month tried dabbling in echolink mostly because I enjoy working 40M but where I live now I may NOT put up an antenna. Does this make me a bad person? I am properly licensed and have been so for >10 years. kq6pr

wb7dmx

12-29-2005, 04:26 AM

Quote[/b] (kq6pr @ Dec. 28 2005,20:37)]KQ6PR here. I have just this past month tried dabbling in echolink mostly because I enjoy working 40M but where I live now I may NOT put up an antenna. Does this make me a bad person? I am properly licensed and have been so for >10 years. kq6pr
there is no such thing as not being able to put up a antenna.
a 40 meter antenna can be put up and used with-out being seen.
maybe you just got no get up and go to do it.

KC9AFN

12-29-2005, 10:29 AM

Got stuck in a hotel room for work a couple of years ago. The room had no balcony and the windows were sealed. it wasn't on the top floor so I didn't want to run wire around the ceiling so I cut some magnet wire to 1/4 wave at the middle of 40M General band and taped it to the large picture window. I tried several shapes, but the one that worked best for me was a loose spiral tapped at the center. It tuned OK with the 949 and the ICOM 745 didn't seem to have a problem. It wasn't great, but I made some QSOs and it made the time go by much quicker. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

wb7dmx

12-30-2005, 07:05 PM

yes there is several different types of hams.

1. what I call a real ham is a person who is truly interested in electronics and learning how things work, he will have the many abilities of soldering PC boards,
able to make PC boards with the many different methods.
he will be able to take a old non working rig and get it to work.
he will usually have a work bench loaded with all kinds of electronic test equipment, and a very good supply of all kinds of electronic parts.
he will be able to design and build most any type of test equipment he may need and know how it works.
he will be able to redesign any circuit to perform the way he wants it to work.
he will be able to take a commercial radio like a old police band vhf rig and rewire it to function on the 2 meter ham bands.
he will have a knowledge base to make most anything to do with communication.
he will know all the basic formula used in electronics.
he will be able to design and build any type of antenna and have it perform great.
he will want to share all this knowledge with others that also has the same interest.
and he will have a driving power to learn more and experiment with new things.
and last of all, is very proud of the extra class licenses he earned by taking the exam in front of the FCC examiner at a federal building somewhere.

2. then you have the ham who will not have all the above abilities but still learned enough to get a licenses and get on the air with enough knowledge to operate most any mode he wants,

3. then you have the ham that has no interest what so ever in electronics, and goes out and buys the equipment and gets help from one of the above hams to set it all up properly, and then starts running every dx contest he can find, works exclusively for every award that is available.

4. then you have the ham that has no interest in anything except to talk to somebody else, #by computer operated digital modes. and only on the vhf bands because he has no interest in upgrading his license to be able to get on the hf bands because he is too lazy to learn the morse code, its just too much work and studying.

5. then you have the CB'er that got tired of all the garbage on 11 meters, memorized the tech questions and answers enough to pass the test and then get on the two meter repeaters to bring all his 11 meter training to the 2 meter repeaters, and we would have to retrain him.

6. then you have the real technician ham who is mostly on the vhf bands doing EME, and experimenting on the upper UHF bands, do the upkeep on UHF repeaters, and remote base, and many of the other modes used on the UHF bands.

well I think I just about covered the many different types of hams that I know of, and every one will fit into one or the other.

ai4ep

12-30-2005, 07:31 PM

1 - 2 - 6

wb7dmx

12-30-2005, 07:55 PM

sorry, but I don't think you can be a #2 if your also #1.
a 1 over rides a 2.

KF0RT

12-30-2005, 08:08 PM

#1 is what I'd call an Electrical Engineer who specializes in RF. If you can do all that, odds are somebody is paying you well for it and you're therefore a "professional." http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

73, Rob

ai4ep

12-30-2005, 08:23 PM

you have your opinions I have my facts.

End of discussion.

N2ACX

12-30-2005, 08:24 PM

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
I wonder how many replying to this original post disect the rest of society like they do some of the amateur operators.

Who cares what the 'other' individual likes or dislikes. Seems some people just can't be content when others have a like that differes from theirs.

Personally I will use every old and new mode of technology that I can and won't turn my nose up, or look down on, any others who use other modes, either via internet or via the airwaves such as the digital modes.

Hams by nature I believe are inquisitive, and real hams will examine every alternative, decide which one or ones that they prefer, and use them. But to make fun, put down, or make comments in a derogatory manner of those who use something that some "don't approve of" is lame.

I bet some have a book full of people according to height---weight,---color of eyes-----color of hair---type of vehicle they drive etc etc etc. so they won't mistakenly associate themselves with them.

Whew!! no wonder many are not renewing their tickets in amateur radio. Everyone has to be a critic.
That's my critique.
73 Gary N2ACX

wb7dmx

12-30-2005, 08:55 PM

Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ Dec. 30 2005,13:08)]#1 is what I'd call an Electrical Engineer who specializes in RF. #If you can do all that, odds are somebody is paying you well for it and you're therefore a "professional." http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

73, Rob
well not really, I have studied electronics since I was about 8 yr old and have always been fascinated with it.
I did study electronic engineering technology at one time, but just for my own personal information,
I enjoy building things and working with my hands, and over a lifetime of doing this stuff, I have acquired many toys on my work bench.
I built my first 6 meter station when I was about 12 out of a QST. long before I had a license. over my life time I have went to many schools and got many certificates.
I started out as a radio and tv repair man and went to more schooling and became a journeyman electrician.
went to more schools and then specialize is industrial electronics and automation, in time got into computers.
all this merged into what I have today, after having gone to more schooling I have many certifications in that field,
but all this is still my one and only hobby, not everyone has the same interest as I do but then that is also one of the best features of this hobby, there is something for everyone, you just do what you like to do best and then go for it.
I do not hold anything against anyone for what they choose to do or not do, it does not bother me in any way shape or form.
I was not saying that there is good hams or bad hams, just that each one has there own points of interest.

after you have been around for 60 some years, you too will have many things in the field of interest that you choose.

life is too short to be bickering about who is better than who, just enjoy what you do.

I hope everyone has a happy and prosperity new year

KC0NBW

12-30-2005, 10:14 PM

Quote[/b] (N0KLT @ Dec. 28 2005,15:08)]Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Dec. 28 2005,09:25)]VSG:

Howdy Doody didn't wear a hat!

I believe that Mr. Filabuster did once in a while, but definitely not Howdy Doody.

Now, for the question of the day. #What famous person was the original Clarabell the Clown on the Howdy Doody Show?

Second question: #Who was the voice of Howdy Doody?

Glen, K9STH
Point of order. Wasn't it Mr Bluster not Mr Filabuster and as I remember, he wore a derby style hat.

On the first question, that's not even hard, Glen, all triva buffs know that one. I have to admit though, I don't ever remember hearing who did the voice of Hoody, but then again I didn't care either. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #I assume someplace somewhere has that information but I am wayyyyyyyy too lazy to look it up.

If Newton Minnow (or however he spelled his name) thought Hoody Doody was a vast wasteland, he obviously never watched some of the other shows on tv during those years. I also wonder what he would have thought of some of the shows that are on the air and cable channels these days. Especially some of the so-called reality shows like those pieces of dung that starred Paris Hilton and Jessica Simpson and some others.
the character was named phineas t. bluster, not mr. filabuster. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

KF0RT

12-30-2005, 11:37 PM

Quote[/b] (wb7dmx @ Dec. 30 2005,13:55)]after you have been around for 60 some years, you too will have many things in the field of interest that you choose.

life is too short to be bickering about who is better than who, just enjoy what you do.
I agree completely. Was just pointing out that anyone with the #1 "skill set" could be making a very decent living with their "ham" talent. Probably most are.

Not quite to 60 here; I'll be 50 in a few short months. This coming Monday (1/2) will be the start of my 37th year as a licensed amateur. I spent a few years as a line technician, fixing circuit boards as they came off a production line. From there, shifted over to being an engineering technician where prototyping and testing was the name of the game. All of this was digital, even in the mid-late 70's. Switched to microcomputer software about 25 years ago, and still do that today. Embedded, so logic analyzers and scopes are still the "tools of the trade" and there's still a big hardware component to it all. Surface mount ain't that scary (but my eyes are starting to get old!).

It's really hard for me to imagine where I'd be today without ham radio -- it taught me more than college ever did.

73, Rob

KI4BNC

12-30-2005, 11:44 PM

3 pages and noone mentioned the obvious:
Glazed
Honeybaked
Spiralcut glazed
Cubed
boiled ham,
baked ham
smacked with a rake ham
broiled ham
fried ham
smells like it died ham
ham to cube,
ham to boil
ham to wrap in aluminium foil

Had to throw some humor in there.
Stuck at work and it stinks.

W2ILP

12-31-2005, 05:33 AM

also:
Spiral of Archemedes ham
Smoked out house ham
Virginia ham ...Yes Virginia it is a Ham.
Cunning ham
Berming ham
Moo goo guy ham
Arroz con ham
Spam 'n ham
Spatzel mit ham
Green eggs and ham
Kosher organic vegeham

w2ilp (I Like Pastrami)..because it has no bones. Tried to thow some humor here by hamming it up.

AA0CX

12-31-2005, 11:56 PM

I think you'll find many older hams who use Echolink may indeed be residents of retirement homes, assisted living facilities, or nursing homes were it is impractical or impossible to have an HF antenna or something even more modest -- such as a 2-meter rig and antenna to get on IRLP.

I think it's more of a matter of life circumstances than a desire to move away from HF. Go easy on the old timers!

Hey, we could all find ourselves in those circumstances someday!

n8yx

01-01-2006, 04:35 PM

Quote[/b] (AA0CX @ Dec. 31 2005,16:56)]I think it's more of a matter of life circumstances than a desire to move away from HF. # Go easy on the old timers!
I can understand in cases such as this.

However, one who is able-bodied...has the space for real radios and real antennas...should indeed be playing real radio.

n8yx

01-01-2006, 04:40 PM

Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ Dec. 30 2005,13:08)]If you can do all that, odds are somebody is paying you well for it and you're therefore a "professional."
Guilty. In my case it's as a software engineer. There just aren't that many RF engineering jobs in this area as there once were. Used to have a comms-engineering business years back; sold off most of the gear and got out of it for more lucrative pastures.

wb7dmx

01-01-2006, 05:32 PM

this got me thinking I am some sort of nerd or something, but let me tell you a short story of how I got started.
when I was about 12 and living on the west side of detroit mich, my dad was a motorcycle traffic cop, one day he got promoted to a Sargent and a bunch of the police officers through a big party for him at our house,
someone at that party seen my workbench and all my junk and started a conservation with me about my interest in electronics, well the next day when I got home from school, the floor around my bench was packed with all kinds of test equipment I could only dream about having at that young age, I felt like I was in heaven.
can you imagine the fun I had and the education I got from learning how to use all them toys. and I was making money by repaireing things for other people then.

KB9YCO

01-01-2006, 05:44 PM

"the different types of hams..."
What a waste of time. If you truly think that anyone in life, even amateur radio operators, are easily defined by a few distinct generalizations then you have much to learn and amateur radio and life. Life, or people, are not so easily definable within some rigid stereotypes that you may harbor from your limited personal experiences. That's not a knock, no one person's experience is enough to be able to categorize everyone of a group as large as this accurately, trying to do so is not only arrogant, it's dismissive of the reality of the situation. Life and people are infinetely more complex than any definition(s) can provide.

Not all of amateur radio is HF, there is plenty to do above 50 MHz that takes just as much skill and knowledge as anywhere else, satellite, packet, digital, microwave, amateur astonomy, amateur television, PSK31, meteor scatter, moonbounce, QRP, on and on and on, just to name a few that I could think of. HF, while being part of the tradition of amateur radio, and radio in general, is not the only place to be in amateur radio, nor is it the only place the requires a knowledge of radio and electronics.

Also, VOIP programs like Echolink and IRLP are not 'cheating', it is just another way to access RF frequencies that require an amateur license. It is not a replacement for traditional radio or HF, it is in no way the same in terms of types of usage since it is a directed connection to a local repeater or simplex node. Talking like a local on a repeater 2000 miles away is in no way the same as DX. That is nothing like DXing or simplex since calling out on any given frequency is in no way similar to a directed connection via the internet, nor could one replace the other in usage or style. Using an internet connection to utilize a local or distant source of RF is just another tool to use, (no different than the landline links of the late 60's and 70's) as long as it is RF on the other end then the end result is still amateur radio. Why limit yourself to only one way of accessing the spectrum when new technology is available, not in competition with, but in cooperation with all the other traditional forms of radio? As long as people remember the importance of self-powered, simplex radio when conventional systems fail, and don't see VOIP as some sort of replacement for traditional radio, then there is no problem. Again, one cannot, and does not replace the other.

So keep on fostering generalizations about license classes, modes, etc., it serves no other purpose than to divide and polarize amateur radio in a time when amateurs should embrace all the technology and spectrum available to them and continue to work together in order to protect ALL of the aspects of amateur radio.

k7nys

01-02-2006, 04:50 AM

Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Dec. 28 2005,08:25)]VSG:

Howdy Doody didn't wear a hat!

I believe that Mr. Filabuster did once in a while, but definitely not Howdy Doody.

Now, for the question of the day. #What famous person was the original Clarabell the Clown on the Howdy Doody Show?

Second question: #Who was the voice of Howdy Doody?

Glen, K9STH
....I think you just dated yourself......my dad used to watch HD when he was a kid...and I'm pushing 40
73 and have a great new year!

k7nys

01-02-2006, 04:58 AM

Quote[/b] (wb7dmx @ Dec. 30 2005,12:05)]yes there is several different types of hams.

1. what I call a real ham is a person who is truly interested in electronics and learning how things work, he will have the many abilities of soldering PC boards,
able to make PC boards with the many different methods.
he will be able to take a old non working rig and get it to work.
he will usually have a work bench loaded with all kinds of electronic test equipment, and a very good supply of all kinds of electronic parts.
he will be able to design and build most any type of test equipment he may need and know how it works.
he will be able to redesign any circuit to perform the way he wants it to work.
he will be able to take a commercial radio like a old police band vhf rig and rewire it to function on the 2 meter ham bands.
he will have a knowledge base to make most anything to do with communication.
he will know all the basic formula used in electronics.
he will be able to design and build any type of antenna and have it perform great.
he will want to share all this knowledge with others that also has the same interest.
and he will have a driving power to learn more and experiment with new things.
and last of all, is very proud of the extra class licenses he earned by taking the exam in front of the FCC examiner at a federal building somewhere.

2. then you have the ham who will not have all the above abilities but still learned enough to get a licenses and get on the air with enough knowledge to operate most any mode he wants,

3. then you have the ham that has no interest what so ever in electronics, and goes out and buys the equipment and gets help from one of the above hams to set it all up properly, and then starts running every dx contest he can find, works exclusively for every award that is available.

4. then you have the ham that has no interest in anything except to talk to somebody else, #by computer operated digital modes. and only on the vhf bands because he has no interest in upgrading his license to be able to get on the hf bands because he is too lazy to learn the morse code, its just too much work and studying.

5. then you have the CB'er that got tired of all the garbage on 11 meters, memorized the tech questions and answers enough to pass the test and then get on the two meter repeaters to Carry on with his normal CB training.

6. then you have the real technician ham who is mostly on the vhf bands doing EME, and experimenting on the upper UHF bands, do the upkeep on UHF repeaters, and remote base, and many of the other modes used on the UHF bands.

well I think I just about covered the many different types of hams that I know of, and every one will fit into one or the other.
errr 1 problem...number 5...what is CB TRAINING? from what I have seen, operating a CB takes only 2 steps....
#1. Turn it on.
#2. Choke the chicken. (The D-104).