Great Cheese?

The TV commercial claims that "Great cheese comes from happy cows, and happy cows come from California".

But where's the PROOF of these assertions?

Where's the research that proves that great cheese comes from happy cows?

And how does anyone know if California cows are any happier than cows from anywhere else?

Someone should file a multibillion dollar Class Action Lawsuit for deceptive advertising.


And while I'm at it, I saw another movie last night that started out with the little screen blurb "This film has been reformatted to fit this screen".

How do they know how big my TV is??? Is this more government spying?

[K9YLI]

Gotta be a lie.
If they were happy cows,,, they'd be from "Wisconsin or Minnesota."

don

[KC0W]

In my opinion, the happiest cows come NOT from California but from Wisconsin. With Wisconsin's clean air & rolling green pastures, how could any bovine not be content?

There seems to be one variety of bovine that stands head & shoulders above the rest in terms of general euphoria. This variety is the Brown Swiss. The Brown Swiss has a great disposition, are gorgeous to look at & seen to be perpetually ecstatic, as if on Prozac...........Just my opinion.


Tom kcØw

[nx6d]

Quote[/b] (kc0w @ Dec. 26 2005,07:08)]In my opinion, the happiest cows come NOT from California but from Wisconsin. With Wisconsin's clean air & rolling green pastures, how could any bovine not be content?

There seems to be one variety of bovine that stands head & shoulders above the rest in terms of general euphoria. This variety is the Brown Swiss. The Brown Swiss has a great disposition, are gorgeous to look at & seen to be perpetually ecstatic, as if on Prozac...........Just my opinion.


# # # # # # # # # # # # # # # #Tom kcØw
I'll stack my Northern California Tulelake cows up against your Wisconsin cows anyday!

They sure like the cuttings from the lawnmower!

Dave WX7B

[KC0W]

Here is an example of ONE HAPPY COW!!!

Very content bovine (http://www.qrz.com/callsign.html?callsign=kc0w)


Moo,


Tom kcØw

[kf6rdn]

Quote[/b] (kc0w @ Dec. 26 2005,08:08)]In my opinion, the happiest cows come NOT from California but from Wisconsin. With Wisconsin's clean air & rolling green pastures, how could any bovine not be content?

There seems to be one variety of bovine that stands head & shoulders above the rest in terms of general euphoria. This variety is the Brown Swiss. The Brown Swiss has a great disposition, are gorgeous to look at & seen to be perpetually ecstatic, as if on Prozac...........Just my opinion.


# # # # # # # # # # # # # # # #Tom kcØw
The California cows are surfer dudes, they enjoy the nice surf here, and the doobs afterwords.
They don't have many brain cells left either.

[KF0RT]

Gotta side with Tom on this one. I think he knows his cows.
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73, Rob

[K9STH]

Everyone knows that Texas is the promised land for all bovine critters.

Glen, K9STH

[WA5KRP]

Quote[/b] (kc0w @ Dec. 26 2005,09:25)]Here is an example of ONE HAPPY COW!!!

Very content bovine (http://www.qrz.com/callsign.html?callsign=kc0w)


# # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # #
Better have a vet take a look at that tumor.


HAW!©




WA5KRP
Bushwack, Texas

[KC9ECI]

Why Wisconsin cows are contented (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/ANIMAL_SEX?SITE=WILAC&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT)

[WA5KRP]

Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Dec. 26 2005,11:23)]Why Wisconsin cows are contented (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/ANIMAL_SEX?SITE=WILAC&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT)
http://smilies.vidahost.com/otn/other/ignore.gif TMI



WA5KRP
Texas

[N1MLF]

"Hart told police he had gone to the farm at least 50 times in the last year, sometimes two to four times in a week."

California cheese is lookin better all the time..
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JW

[N0KLT]

Quote[/b] (WA5KRP @ Dec. 26 2005,11:38)]Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Dec. 26 2005,11:23)]Why Wisconsin cows are contented (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/ANIMAL_SEX?SITE=WILAC&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT)
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WA5KRP
Texas
My thoughts exactly http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

[KF6EAL]

Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Dec. 26 2005,10:23)]Why Wisconsin cows are contented (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/ANIMAL_SEX?SITE=WILAC&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT)
I don't suspect such activities affect the quality of cheese any since calves don't participate in milk production.

I am unqualified to comment on the possible psychological impact, good or bad, when the calves do mature.

I grew up in Wisconsin. I moved to California and now have lived in each place equal time. I hate the stupid California cheese commercials. There are plenty of reasons for California cows to be unhappy. The weather here is good, though.

[KC0W]

Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Dec. 26 2005,16:39)]Everyone knows that Texas is the promised land for all bovine critters.

Glen, K9STH
OK, so it's a tie between Texas & Wisconsin.

Have you ever checked out Texas Longhorns "horns" for sale on eBay? Go to eBay & type in bullhorns, or something like that. There seems to be two or three people who have the market share of bullhorns for sale on eBay.

I have seen bullhorns on eBay up to 12' in width!!! Most horns for sale are between 3' - 6'.

Now all I need is a 1972 convertable Cady & a way to mount the horns to the hood......Boss Hog watch out.


Tom kcØw

[K9STH]

EAL:

Calves are THE reason for milk production (and I didn't even live on a farm - had several uncles by marriage that did).

Glen, K9STH

[KF6EAL]

Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Dec. 27 2005,14:25)]EAL:

Calves are THE reason for milk production (and I didn't even live on a farm - had several uncles by marriage that did).

Glen, K9STH
Calves don't produce milk. They drink it, yes, I agree.

[gw4rcm]

Now this thread has got me thinking, (some say that is a dangerous practice, on my part.)

We Europeans have great cheeses, Stilton, Danish blue
Edam, Gorgonzola, Caerphilly, Cheshire the list is endless.

For the life of me I cannot name one American cheese.

Vineries yes, cheeses no.

RCM

[NCHams]

Cheese Please...come on

[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (gw4rcm @ Dec. 27 2005,16:31)]For the life of me I cannot name one American cheese.
Oh heck, Dennis, we got 'em all. Velveeta, Cheese Whiz, Easy Cheese. In fact, there's even "American cheese."
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73, Rob

[gw4rcm]

Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ Dec. 27 2005,16:42)]Quote[/b] (gw4rcm @ Dec. 27 2005,16:31)]For the life of me I cannot name one American cheese.
Oh heck, Dennis, we got 'em all. #Velveeta, Cheese Whiz, Easy Cheese. #In fact, there's even "American cheese." #
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73, Rob
Wow, now I'm impressed, next you'll be telling me that you have Kraft cheese slices.
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RCM

[KC9ECI]

Not surprising, since Europe was old at the time that Europeans were just establishing themselves in North America.

I sure could go for some BabyBel though.

[KF6EAL]

Quote[/b] (gw4rcm @ Dec. 27 2005,16:31)]Now this thread has got me thinking, (some say that is a dangerous practice, on my part.)

We Europeans have great cheeses, Stilton, Danish blue
Edam, Gorgonzola, Caerphilly, Cheshire the list is endless.

For the life of me I cannot name one American cheese.

Vineries yes, cheeses no.

RCM
Some Europeans are such dorks. They think they are such hot #### because they can't remember how they got to be muts (mixed heredity). At least I can trace how I got to be a mut.

Wisconsin was explored by the French (too cold for the sissies so they left) and settled by the Germans, Polish, Dutch, and Norwegians (mostly those). That is how we got the recipes for the cheese and sausage that we are noted for, at least in the USA.

American cheese? Not a grand achievement, I agree.

[kc7jty]

There's no such thing as cheese in America. ITS ILLEGAL. We have chemical perfumed laundry products though. They will have to keep the people happy.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (KF6EAL @ Dec. 26 2005,19:03)]Some Europeans are such dorks. They think they are such hot #### because they can't remember how they got to be muts (mixed heredity). At least I can trace how I got to be a mut.

Wisconsin was explored by the French (too cold for the sissies so they left) and settled by the Germans, Polish, Dutch, and Norwegians (mostly those). That is how we got the recipes for the cheese and sausage that we are noted for, at least in the USA.

American cheese? Not a grand achievement, I agree.
AND exactly WHAT CHEESES is Wisconsin noted for? Port wine cheddar in the plastic tub? That purple & orange dye looks sooo good.

[KF6EAL]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Dec. 27 2005,18:08)]AND exactly WHAT CHEESES is Wisconsin noted for? Port wine cheddar in the plastic tub? That purple & orange dye looks sooo good.
You either can't read or can't understand what you read. Try again.

[K9STH]

EAL:

Cows don't produce milk until they have borne a calf. When a cow goes dry its time to introduce her to a bull again. Therefore, calves are the reason for milk. Without a calf, no milk.

Glen, K9STH

[KC9ECI]

Colby cheese was developed in the late 1800's in Colby Wiscowsin.


http://www.wisc.edu/foodsci/store/cheese.html

[W2LYS]

Methinks this thread is udderly ridiculous...

[KA4DPO]

What's all this BS about happy cows in Wisconsin? No one is happy in Wisconsin. In the winter people from Wisconsin go to the north pole to get away from the cold weather, in the summer it's hotter than you know where and the mosquitos are as big as buzzards. I have a good friend who grew up on a dairy farm in Wisconsin. He said it was so cold in the winter the cows gave ice cream and because his hands were frozen most of the time he taught the cows to jump up and down so all he had to do was hang on to milk them.

[KC9ECI]

He must have lived in the warm part of Wiscowsin. Lucky fella.

[al2i]

I am a cheesaholic. None of the European cheeses stack up next to some good American Monterey Jack, which is by far my favorite mild cheese, or even some Pepper Jack, which is my favorite cheese with zing in its character.

[N0KLT]

Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Dec. 27 2005,19:24)]EAL:

Cows don't produce milk until they have borne a calf. When a cow goes dry its time to introduce her to a bull again. Therefore, calves are the reason for milk. Without a calf, no milk.

Glen, K9STH
Glad to hear things haven't changed since I moved off the farm 40 yrs ago. The same process hold true for milk goats also. No baby goats aka kids, no milk.

[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (N0KLT @ Dec. 27 2005,21:31)]Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Dec. 27 2005,19:24)]EAL:

Cows don't produce milk until they have borne a calf. When a cow goes dry its time to introduce her to a bull again. Therefore, calves are the reason for milk. Without a calf, no milk.

Glen, K9STH
Glad to hear things haven't changed since I moved off the farm 40 yrs ago. The same process hold true for milk goats also. No baby goats aka kids, no milk.
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73, Rob
(Used to make milking equipment for cows)

[KF6EAL]

Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Dec. 27 2005,18:24)]EAL:

Cows don't produce milk until they have borne a calf. #When a cow goes dry its time to introduce her to a bull again. #Therefore, calves are the reason for milk. #Without a calf, no milk.

Glen, K9STH
Now, kill the calf. The cow still produces milk. The calf is an innocent bystander. If you said the cow was involved in veal production, I'd buy it.

I heard rumors about guys like this when I was growing up there in Wisconsin, but I always believed it was a joke. You'd have to decide that the ugliest woman you could get was still not as atttractive as a calf. Of course, this guy is obviously no prize so that could easily be true.

[KF6EAL]

Colby. It was developed in Wisconsin. However, it is just a modified form of cheddar. Interestingly enough, cheddar is of English origin, as I understand it. This cheese is responsible for destroying the market for good cheese, if you ask me.

Port Wine Cheese is cheddar cheese with port wine mixed in. I wouldn't call that a new cheese variety any more than guacamole is a new variety of avocado. However, it is a delightful party favorite. At eight years old, you still had to eat a bunch of it to catch a decent buzz.

[WA5KRP]

Quote[/b] (KF6EAL @ Dec. 27 2005,16:52)]Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Dec. 27 2005,14:25)]EAL:

Calves are THE reason for milk production (and I didn't even live on a farm - had several uncles by marriage that did).

Glen, K9STH

Calves don't produce milk. They drink it, yes, I agree.
Where were you in biology class - asleep in the corner?

http://www.allthingschristie.com/archives/it-dunce.jpg

A heifer - here this will help you (http://www.aipl.arsusda.gov/kc/cowfacts.html), is a female cow and won't produce a drop of milk. #However, once impregnated and a calf undergoes development within the heifer's womb, as birthing approaches a hormone storm ensues involving prolactin and oxytocin, ultimately leading to milk production.

A heifer will not produce milk unless she's been pregnant with a calf. #No calf - no milk. #

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WA5KRP
Texas

[al2n]

I feel that I must chime in here and sing the praises of Oregon cheese. The stuff is quite simply the best there is.

Tillamook Cheese (http://www.tillamookcheese.com/)

Oregon Gourmet Cheese (http://www.oregongourmetcheeses.com/)

Oregon has green pastures, mild climate, and lots of space for the cows to be fat and happy.

Wisconson cows get too much bad influence from those Canadian cows.

California cows get too much sun and not enough wide open spaces needed for optimal milk production.

Oregon cows have the perfect balance needed to provide a superior milk which results in superior cheese.

[AC0H]

Quote[/b] ]Now, kill the calf. The cow still produces milk.
Mmmmmmmm.......Veal! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Maytag Blue Cheese (http://www.maytagdairyfarms.com/aspx/welcome.aspx) #Made in Iowa.

[K8ERV]

Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Dec. 27 2005,18:38)]Colby cheese was developed in the late 1800's in Colby Wiscowsin.


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Just lovva good pun, or a bad spyllur. For all you who don't like cheese, just send it to me. Dawg and I will eat anything that is free.

TOM K8ERV Montrose Colo

[KA4DPO]

Why doesn't anyone make a cheese from chicken milk? Is it because there are no tiny stools and buckets for milking them? Comon, it's the 21st century surely someone could build a milking machine to fit a chicken.

[KF6EAL]

Quote[/b] (al2n @ Dec. 28 2005,05:19)]Tillamook Cheese (http://www.tillamookcheese.com/)
That is pretty good but I have never seen any varieties other than cheddar and monterey jack. I like their sharp cheddar but other than that, I prefer something with more flavor than cheddar and less flavor than limburger.

[KF6EAL]

Quote[/b] (WA5KRP @ Dec. 28 2005,01:53)]Where were you in biology class - asleep in the corner?
I may have been asleep in biology class but I wasn't asleep when I helped milk the cows. The calf was no where to be found. I never saw a milking machine attached to a calf.

By that logic the bull has more to do with milk production than the calf. But I never saw a milking machine attached to a bull either. Well, there was that one drunk farmer. Nobody bought his milk.

Keep in mind, my original comment was in regard to the affect on the cheese of the activities of the guy that was enamored by his neighbors calves. I would be more worried about whether I had any of the veal that came from one of his lovers.

[AK7V]

There are some really good "artisan cheeses" that come from Oregon.

Not as many up here in Washington, I don't think, because of weird laws and regulations involving milk and cows.

I like fancy cheeses.

[K8ERV]

I think a happy cow would be one that kept its own cheese, that process must be very painfull

TOM K8ERV Montrose Colo

[w4rot]

Cheese making is one art.
Milk production is another..2 seperate entities.
But a happy cow will let you play with her teats.
Always...Yes always..rub her leg first.
Words to live by.
Taught to me by Earl Brevoort.
Brevofield Dairy circa 1978.
w4rot
p.s. also mellow Jazz in the milking parlor kicks up production about 5%.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Dec. 26 2005,21:23)]I am a cheesaholic. None of the European cheeses stack up next to some good American Monterey Jack, which is by far my favorite mild cheese, or even some Pepper Jack, which is my favorite cheese with zing in its character.
Spoken like a true American. You forgot to mention Velveeda

[W0LPQ]

ROT: #So does classical..! #Had that on the farm in southern Idaho during the late 40's. #Dad loved it, mom loved it and so did the cows. #Put on the news and they get very antsy..!

Bill, W0LPQ

[kc7jty]

In France they don't put cheese into the reefer. Ain't they strange? In America cheese is dead. Americans don't even know what real cheese is. Carry on brothers.

[ab8ma]

Quote[/b] (w4rot @ Dec. 28 2005,22:06)]Cheese making is one art.
Milk production is another..2 seperate entities.
But a happy cow will let you play with her teats.
Always...Yes always..rub her leg first.
Words to live by.
Taught to me by Earl Brevoort.
Brevofield Dairy circa 1978.
w4rot
p.s. also mellow Jazz in the milking parlor kicks up production about 5%.
So --- What happens when you forget to rub her leg first?

Not to mention Vermont Chedder?

[kd7msc]

Quote[/b] (al2n @ Dec. 27 2005,21:19)]I feel that I must chime in here and sing the praises of Oregon cheese. #The stuff is quite simply the best there is.

Tillamook Cheese (http://www.tillamookcheese.com/)

Oregon Gourmet Cheese (http://www.oregongourmetcheeses.com/)

Oregon has green pastures, mild climate, and lots of space for the cows to be fat and happy.

Wisconson cows get too much bad influence from those Canadian cows.

California cows get too much sun and not enough wide open spaces needed for optimal milk production.

Oregon cows have the perfect balance needed to provide a superior milk which results in superior cheese.
Hey you beat me too it. We love Tillamook cheese. We visit the factory twice a year. Every time my parents come for a visit we go there. It is only about 1 1/2 hrs from me. Last visit my dad bought a small block and box of crackers from the factory and he ate it all before we got home. Yep! Oregon dairy rules.

73, Sean
Clackamas, OR

[KF6EAL]

Quote[/b] (WA5KRP @ Dec. 28 2005,01:53)]http://www.allthingschristie.com/archives/it-dunce.jpg
On second look, I think this is an actual picture of me. How'd you get that?

[w4rot]

Quote[/b] ]So --- What happens when you forget to rub her leg first?


She'll kick ya in the head.
It's a fairly secure area and you will need permission!
w4rot

[KF6EAL]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Dec. 28 2005,15:17)]In France they don't put cheese into the reefer. Ain't they strange? In America cheese is dead. Americans don't even know what real cheese is. Carry on brothers.
Well, many of the cheeses made in America, many derived from or brought from European countries, are cooked. It isn't just American cheese.

Is France not allowing you to come home? How the hell did you end up in Idaho? I can see why you are so bitter. I mean, I lived there for a couple years a long time ago and it is okay and all but I am sure it is a far cry from all that France has to offer.

[w4rot]

KF6EAL,
Not to worry.
He's living in his own private Idaho.
w4rot

jty please crank the Tom Petty...You seem to like that.

[KD7ZRT]

Tillamook's Special Reserve Extra Sharp Cheddar is junk, IMO. Their Vintage White Cheddar is pretty decent, but the company is evil (http://roguepundit.typepad.com/roguepundit/2004/01/the_oregon_chee.html). They purchased Bandon Cheese a while back, shut down the creamery, and used the prestigious Bandon name to sell their poor excuse for medium cheddar, meanwhile threatening other local businesses, claiming their trademark on "Bandon" (and the Bandon lighthouse, a piece of our local heritage) extended to all food products.

Before Tillamook bought them, Bandon made some pretty awsome sharp cheddars. Now its just commodity cheese with a lighthouse on it.

Someone already mentioned Maytag Blue--good stuff, though I prefer Rogue River Blue.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (KF6EAL @ Dec. 27 2005,17:12)]Is France not allowing you to come home? How the hell did you end up in Idaho? I can see why you are so bitter. I mean, I lived there for a couple years a long time ago and it is okay and all but I am sure it is a far cry from all that France has to offer.
Life has many trade offs...........and the USA won't let any European cheese into the country unless its cooked.

I'm bitter because I live in a country where Americans think their cheese is the world's best. I know better, and I have to do without by law.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (w4rot @ Dec. 27 2005,17:25)]jty please crank the Tom Petty...You seem to like that.
WHAT?

[KC9ECI]

Make your own cheese.

[KI4BNC]

I think cheese actually comes from the moon
but that is just my opinion.

[w4rot]

Quote[/b] ]WHAT?
Go way back man.
Think.....Think...Think.

[N4AUD]

Anything American is better, even if it isn't BETTER.
I don't know what constitutes a happy cow. All of the ones I have encountered just ate, pooped, ate, pooped and walked around really slow unless you were putting out some feed, then instead of walking really slow, they just walked slow. And pooped.

[KA4DPO]

That's why they're happy, no stress...

My friend used to keep a bottle of steak sauce in the dairy barn in plain site as a subtle reminder about production.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Dec. 27 2005,19:16)]Make your own cheese.
Funny you should mention. I have given serious consideration to, and figured if I ever managed to come up with something really good I'd get busted by uncle sambo for manufacturing a controlled substance.
I'd probably have to have my own cow/goat/sheep to get the unpastuized milk too.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (w4rot @ Dec. 27 2005,19:34)]Quote[/b] ]WHAT?
Go way back man.
Think.....Think...Think.
Please describe: "crank the Tom Petty"

[w4rot]

Quote[/b] ]Please describe: "crank the Tom Petty"
Put the Tom Petty CD in whatever and turn it up full volume!!!
....
I got a room at the top of the world tonight and I ain't coming down.
Its a good tune
w4rot

[al2n]

Quote[/b] (KD7ZRT @ Dec. 28 2005,17:58)]Tillamook's Special Reserve Extra Sharp Cheddar is junk, IMO. Their Vintage White Cheddar is pretty decent, but the company is evil (http://roguepundit.typepad.com/roguepundit/2004/01/the_oregon_chee.html). They purchased Bandon Cheese a while back, shut down the creamery, and used the prestigious Bandon name to sell their poor excuse for medium cheddar, meanwhile threatening other local businesses, claiming their trademark on "Bandon" (and the Bandon lighthouse, a piece of our local heritage) extended to all food products.

Before Tillamook bought them, Bandon made some pretty awsome sharp cheddars. Now its just commodity cheese with a lighthouse on it.

Someone already mentioned Maytag Blue--good stuff, though I prefer Rogue River Blue.
I grew up about 10 miles from Bandon.

Shame to see Tillamook get rid of the cheese factory. Great stuff Bandon cheese. The town should buy the factory and start up again. It was a pretty good tourist draw.

As for making your own cheese, it is not all that hard. I have made some in the past and it is a fun and educational experience.

New England Cheesmaking Supply (http://www.cheesemaking.com)

They got all the stuff you need to get started.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (w4rot @ Dec. 27 2005,20:27)]Quote[/b] ]Please describe: "crank the Tom Petty"
Put the Tom Petty CD in whatever and turn it up full volume!!!
....
I got a room at the top of the world tonight and I ain't coming down.
Its a good tune
w4rot
Oh...OK. Friendly fire.

Some show coming on PBS in January that has some T.P. lyrics for the intro. Something about being young again. Anyway it showed 2 walking along the railroad. Gotta see that one. I won't back down is the lyrics.

About your selection: too bad I can't hear the fuzz on that guitar right now. Its a GREAT tune.

pass me some of that sal moan I see you holdin up.

[w4rot]

Good deal jty.....No prob man.
Wife scored me the Martin Scorese PBS take on Dylan.
"No Direction Home."
They can all F...Off.
Later
Steark Ost,
w4rot

[K8ERV]

Quote[/b] (kd7msc @ Dec. 28 2005,15:41)]Oregon has green pastures, mild climate, and lots of space for the cows to be fat and happy.
Are you talking about my wife?

TOM K8ERV Montrose Colo

[KC9AFN]

Cmon folks, Who but us Americans could develope the milk completly out of cheese? Just hydrogenated oils, some food coloring and soybean by products....YUMMY!


JMHO, but this has to be the cheeziest thread I've ever read! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[KF6EAL]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Dec. 28 2005,18:55)]get busted by uncle sambo for manufacturing a controlled substance.
I'd probably have to have my own cow/goat/sheep to get the unpastuized milk too.
I don't know about the laws you are talking about but I trust you know about them.

Do you think if you were to make some illegal cheese at home, anyone has time to come around and arrest you? Come on! Those laws are to protect the public and the economic interests of big business at the expense of your liberty. Uncle Sambo doesn't give a crap if you kill yourself on homebrew cheese. Even if he did, what's he gonna do, throw your dead carcus in jail?

Just don't make yourself conspicuously ill and don't sell it. You probably shouldn't even share it. This is the USA, man. You feel way more constrained than you are. You can do anything you want as long as you don't get noticed.

It is the American way not to feel obligated by oppressive laws. Remember "Prohibition"? People had stills all over the place. It was only if they were making quantities, transporting it for sale, or otherwise causing themselves to get noticed (like showing up drunk in public). They didn't go house to house checking each one. They only showed up if you gave them cause.

Make that damn cheese and put a smile back on your face!

Oh, find a farmer and see if he will sell you a bucket o' milk.

[K9STH]

Only green colored cheese comes from the moon.

Glen, K9STH

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (KF6EAL @ Dec. 28 2005,10:58)]It is the American way not to feel obligated by oppressive laws. Remember "Prohibition"? People had stills all over the place. It was only if they were making quantities, transporting it for sale, or otherwise causing themselves to get noticed (like showing up drunk in public). They didn't go house to house checking each one. They only showed up if you gave them cause.
Fire up the meth lab.

I don't wish to make cheese. I'd like to purchase quality cheese at very reasonable prices all over the USA. That happening is less likely than finding a miracle herb that causes everyone to live forever in perfect health.

Americans think Kraft makes cheese, they don't even know what cheese is and it suits them just fine. Ignorance is bliss. Just because everyone is content to consume sh*t doesn't mean I have to do it too.

[kc7jty]

Thank god the French and Italians are food "snobs". The American government has continuously told them they must americanize their products to be allowed to import them into the USA. The answer?...........hahahahahahah

[KF6EAL]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Dec. 29 2005,10:26)]Fire up the meth lab.

I don't wish to make cheese.

Americans think Kraft makes cheese
Exactly. As long as you don't make it in quantity, transport it, or distribute it, you are not likely to get arrested. Of course, you could get caught and arrested anyway and will probably have to pay the penalty. But, that is your choice.

Okay, then, suffer.

Maybe some or even most do. You obviously are only interested in complaining about americans and what slobs we are and not actually having what you want so I hope you enjoy it and it makes you happy.

[K8ERV]

Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Dec. 29 2005,10:06)]Only green colored cheese comes from the moon.

Glen, K9STH
It only gets green cause it takes to long to get here. Avon Lady?

TOM K8ERV Montrose Colo

[N4AUD]

I put imported cheese on a cheeseburger once. It tasted like crap.

[KF6EAL]

Quote[/b] (k1alk @ Dec. 29 2005,12:07)]I put imported cheese on a cheeseburger once. #It tasted like crap.
You've got to use the right tool for the job.

[kl7aj]

Quote[/b] (kc0w @ Dec. 26 2005,08:08)]In my opinion, the happiest cows come NOT from California but from Wisconsin. With Wisconsin's clean air & rolling green pastures, how could any bovine not be content?

There seems to be one variety of bovine that stands head & shoulders above the rest in terms of general euphoria. This variety is the Brown Swiss. The Brown Swiss has a great disposition, are gorgeous to look at & seen to be perpetually ecstatic, as if on Prozac...........Just my opinion.


# # # # # # # # # # # # # # # #Tom kcØw
Unless they happen to be city cows. They could miss the malls in rural Wisconsin. And no Starbulls Coffee.

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eric

[w5klb]

I have a lot practice "cutting the cheese" every time I eat beans and boiled eggs. For some reason I become very unpopular at this activity.

[kc7jty]

Cows are happiest when they are getting their teats squeezed. The ones that give milk by having their tail pumped up and down like an old hand water pump are much more likely to be grumpy.

[K8ERV]

Quote[/b] (k1alk @ Dec. 29 2005,12:07)]I put imported cheese on a cheeseburger once. #It tasted like crap.
Which, the cheese or the burger? And please explain how you know what "crap" tastes like?

TOM K8ERV Montrose Colo

[w4rot]

http://www.geocities.com/peterpatti.geo/atomheart.jpg

So how many of you ever graced a Pink Floyd Album cover?
Eatmorchiken,NC
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[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Dec. 30 2005,10:47)]Cows are happiest when they are getting their teats squeezed. The ones that give milk by having their tail pumped up and down like an old hand water pump are much more likely to be grumpy.
I used to work for a company that made machines for that. I wonder if the machines took the fun out of it. For the cows, I mean.

73, Rob

[w4rot]

Rob,
I think they were cool with it.
I always thought it a neat system of pneumatics.
Worked like a charm.
w4rot

[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (w4rot @ Dec. 30 2005,16:29)]Rob,
I think they were cool with it.
I always thought it a neat system of pneumatics.
Worked like a charm.
w4rot
Pretty fascinating stuff, actually.

Pneumatics ran the milking and computers to monitor it all. If a particular cow's milk production dropped off, the computer would flag it and a human would have to find out why. Maybe the cow was sick, or maybe it was time to breed again.

When I left (company was bought out), we were doing work with estrus detection -- that is, figuring out when the cows were in heat. We'd put an electronic pedometer on the cow's leg that would monitor activity throughout the day. Higher activity indicated heat. When the cow entered the milking parlor, the activity count was transmitted to a computer which would do the analysis.

That was 25+ years ago. It's probably a lot more high-tech today.

I could swear that the electronic pedometers we had were not powered in any way, but that makes no sense to me today. Maybe there was a capacitor or something that ran the counter. When the cow entered the parlor, she would pass through a pair of antennas that were energized with a 38KHz carrier. This was just enough to power a transmitter in the "tag" that would transmit the data back to a receiver. The 38KHz signal was rectified and filtered and was just enough to power a very low power CMOS transmitter.

The "tags" were completely potted because of the harsh environment (imagine riding around all day on a cow's leg). Plus, the dairy farmers needed to know that the tags would last a long time -- this had something to do with farm loans, as I recall.

It'd be interesting to know what the state of the art is on this today.

I'm rambling and will shut up now. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

73, Rob

[KG4CGC]

This is nothing more than an attack on Wisconsin. California is defaming the Wisconsin dairy industry by acting like children sticking their tounges out at them.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (K8ERV @ Dec. 29 2005,12:07)]And please explain how you know what "crap" tastes like?

TOM K8ERV #Montrose Colo
He may be a big fan of Divine in the movie "PINK FLAMINGOS".

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (KG4CGC @ Dec. 30 2005,07:52)]This is nothing more than an attack on Wisconsin. California is defaming the Wisconsin dairy industry by acting like children sticking their tounges out at them.
and it will probably be 100% successfull.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ Dec. 29 2005,15:39)]Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Dec. 30 2005,10:47)]Cows are happiest when they are getting their teats squeezed. The ones that give milk by having their tail pumped up and down like an old hand water pump are much more likely to be grumpy.
I used to work for a company that made machines for that. #I wonder if the machines took the fun out of it. #For the cows, I mean.

73, Rob
You must mean the mechanical suckers. Just think about how well you would like having a mechanical sucker attached to you somewhere. I rest my case.

[KF6EAL]

I went to Nob Nill grocery market yesterday and I bought myself some $18.99/lbs Roquefort Cheese. Says it was made in France with pasteurized sheep's milk, penicillium, roqueforti, rennet, and salt.

The distributor is O.F.D. in W. Sac, CA

So, is the difference between this and the stuff in France that the milk is cooked or that the cheese is cooked? And what difference does that make? Is it the flavor or the texture or ?

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (KF6EAL @ Dec. 30 2005,12:23)]I went to Nob Nill grocery market yesterday and I bought myself some $18.99/lbs Roquefort Cheese. Says it was made in France with pasteurized sheep's milk, penicillium, roqueforti, rennet, and salt.

The distributor is O.F.D. in W. Sac, CA

So, is the difference between this and the stuff in France that the milk is cooked or that the cheese is cooked? And what difference does that make? Is it the flavor or the texture or ?
In order to legally import cheese into the USA. It must meet the restrictions of the US government. I used to like roguefort until I tried a REAL BLUE CHEESE form Denmark. Now I don't think much of it. Its a very salty, often dry, sterile bore.

One of the main differences is the pasturization of the milk.
Lets say you like fresh strawberries. How would that be affected by a law that stated that each strawberry be heated until its internal temperature reaches at least 180 degrees?

In countries where cheese is understood and enjoyed it is produced as it has been for thousands of years. Cheese is a living thing, it should NOT be refridgerated but allowed to grow and mature in a controlled environment. This causes the cheese to be different every day as is ages and matures. Something that could not be appreciated in the USA where the populace expects to be able to open the airtight plastic bag and get the exact same product every time.

I always have dry salami on hand for salads. I can't stand the taste of it as it comes from the package ( I buy the real salami when I can in Pennsylvania). I put it into tupperware and let it mature in a cool place for about 3 weeks or more. Only when it starts to become funky do I begin to enjoy it.

[KF6EAL]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Jan. 03 2006,10:15)]<snip>This causes the cheese to be different every day as is ages and matures.<snip>

I always have dry salami on hand for salads. <snip> Only when it starts to become funky do it begin to enjoy it.<snip>
I think you have very unique tastes that, while I don't knock them, are not shared by enough people to expect to find comercially available options at economical prices.

There are people, though, that home-grow what you are talking about. It takes time and effort so you would have to find it worth it.

But there is one thing I agree on... that Americans eat way too much dead food of every type. I have tried to break that habit in my own life but even store bought fresh fruits and vegetables are full of chemicals. Just a few of the things I attempt to do differently: I use organics where ever I can find them. I never use quick oats if I can avoid them. I avoid white flour and processed sugar (it is in EVERYTHING store bought practically). Steam vegetables (not boil). Brown rice and a small amount of whole wheat (I grind my own wheat). Bread machine bread; I don't eat much bread though.

I will look for some imported Blue Cheese to try. I realize it will not be the same as live stuff. I did enjoy the Roquefort. I just shouldn't have followed it with Pickled Herring (a New Year's Eve tradition).

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (KF6EAL @ Jan. 02 2006,11:59)]I think you have very unique tastes that, while I don't knock them, are not shared by enough people to expect to find comercially available options at economical prices.
BINGO. You have hit the nail dead center. It is one of my main gripes about this country.

Bread is another item that Americans have no concept of. They are only able to appreciate something by its visual appeal. What it tastes like is irrelevant. Raisin juice, high fructose corn syrup, sugar.......
Andy Rooney did a piece on food and called it "less is more". The less you get of something the more it costs. Bread without all the crap in it is 3 to 10 times the price.

Soap is another thing. You cannot buy quality soap that isn't perfumed or color enhanced in this country unless you go to an artisan soap maker or do it yourself.

We live in a culture where everyone is brainwashed to accept the norm. Be it religion, food, automobiles, politics, you name it, and that norm is set by those in controll who will benefit the most from its being popular. It absolutely astounds me, the maniacal drive and devotion with which the masses will support/do something that makes absolutely no sense.

Just mention the above publicly and you automatically have a majority of over 50% calling you a misfit, whiner, troublemaker, unpatriotic, you're going to hell, etc.

BTW: Roquefort cheese is made in France. I understand there is a wet Roquefort as well but I've never seen it here in the states. Probably on the hit list.

[KF6EAL]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Jan. 03 2006,14:01)]Soap is another thing. You cannot buy quality soap that isn't perfumed or color enhanced in this country unless you go to an artisan soap maker or do it yourself.
I thought I was the only one that hates the soap you get in the supermarket.

[KC9ECI]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Dec. 31 2005,12:00)]Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ Dec. 29 2005,15:39)]Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Dec. 30 2005,10:47)]Cows are happiest when they are getting their teats squeezed. The ones that give milk by having their tail pumped up and down like an old hand water pump are much more likely to be grumpy.
I used to work for a company that made machines for that. #I wonder if the machines took the fun out of it. #For the cows, I mean.

73, Rob
You must mean the mechanical suckers. Just think about how well you would like having a mechanical sucker attached to you somewhere. I rest my case.
http://surgemilker.com/


Across the street from where I work, and just a couple blocks down the street from me is Westphalia-Surge. Before it was that, it was Babson Brothers. Kind of a neat place to visit.

[WB2WIK]

I haven't been following this.

So, who cut the cheese? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[WB2WIK]

Know what goes good with cheese?

Rabbit!

http://www.savetoby.com/

[KC9ECI]

That guy's been killing Toby for a couple of years now. I expect that Toby will die of old age long before the chef's cleaver gets him.

[WB2WIK]

How do you know it's the real Toby?

They all look alike to me.

Silly wabbit.

[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Jan. 03 2006,14:53)]Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Dec. 31 2005,12:00)]Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ Dec. 29 2005,15:39)]Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Dec. 30 2005,10:47)]Cows are happiest when they are getting their teats squeezed. The ones that give milk by having their tail pumped up and down like an old hand water pump are much more likely to be grumpy.
I used to work for a company that made machines for that. I wonder if the machines took the fun out of it. For the cows, I mean.

73, Rob
You must mean the mechanical suckers. Just think about how well you would like having a mechanical sucker attached to you somewhere. I rest my case.
http://surgemilker.com/


Across the street from where I work, and just a couple blocks down the street from me is Westphalia-Surge. Before it was that, it was Babson Brothers. Kind of a neat place to visit.
I remember Surge and Babson. They were competitors of ours, along with DeLaval.

Took me about forever to find the website of the company that bought us out, but here's some pictures of what automated milking looks like today: clicky. (http://www.bou-matic.com/html/gallery/parallel_slowey.htm)

Same theory as when we were at it about 25 years ago. Automated milking, BTW, is accomplished via pulsed vacuum, not mechanics. The milk is metered as it comes out of the cow and when the flow rate drops below a certain point (0.7 lbs / minute rings a bell), the "machine" automatically detaches and that cow is done. All this is fed to a computer and the data is used to find "problem" cows and to determine when it's breeding time again.

Fascinating business. Most of the guys I knew were in the business of making milking equipment and weren't dairy farmers. A couple trips to the farm, and they'd swear off drinking milk. A good sized dairy farm milks around the clock; 24 hours a day, 365 days a year and each cow is usually milked three times in 24 hours.

73, Rob

[KC9ECI]

I remember being AMAZED the first time I seen a StepSaver system.

[kd7msc]

I hope those California cows can swim. It has been raining like crazy up here in Oregon too.

73, Sean

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (KF6EAL @ Jan. 02 2006,15:37)]Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Jan. 03 2006,14:01)]Soap is another thing. You cannot buy quality soap that isn't perfumed or color enhanced in this country unless you go to an artisan soap maker or do it yourself.
I thought I was the only one that hates the soap you get in the supermarket.
No! There are a few other renegade freaks out here too.

[WB2WIK]

Quote[/b] (kd7msc @ Jan. 03 2006,21:03)]I hope those California cows can swim. It has been raining like crazy up here in Oregon too.

73, Sean
I like the commercial where the cows are standing around and there's an earthquake. They all go "oooooooh" in ladylike voices, and when it's over, one says, "I can never get enough of those."

A farmer friend of mine from Kansas mentioned something about cow tipping, so last time I drove past some cows I threw them some change.

The most amazing part is I have a friend in Kansas.

[w4rot]

After I left, Earl went from a herringbone to a rotational parlor like this

http://www.lancasterfarming.com/images/Manmilker.jpg

It was extremely cool. The cows sweep by you. Milking units would drop off about 340 degrees in the cycle.
I used to go by and visit, but it's a golf course now.
Put a couple of 200ft towers rotating like that and you'd be a player for sure.
I hope Earl is hanging out in the South Sea islands on a big boat. He was one hard working man and a good one to work for.
Say cheese.
Strangepath,NC
w4rot

[KC9ECI]

The 1st Asst Chief on the FD here has one of those rotary parlors. Pretty slick stuff. Sure beats carrying the old Surge buckets to the milkhouse. I milked my last cow about 1996 or 1997. I used to do the occasional relief milking. Good money in that if you can do it for a large enough herd.

[w4rot]

I washed my last teat about '81. Used to get a gallon of fresh milk every day. If they would have put Nestle's Quik in 50 lb bags...I'd a bought it.
Still love the stuff.
w4rot

on edit...bovine that is...

[kc7jty]

http://www.lancasterfarming.com/images/Manmilker.jpg

Usually that view angle of naked girls is asking for trouble.

[kc7jty]

Do you know the difference between a cow and a woman? A cow can go wading into the water up to her Ts without getting her ### #### wet, a woman can't.

[w4rot]

Lactation in the bovine is abdominal.
Lactation in the sapiens is thorasic.
Wanna talk elephants?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?
w4rot

[W5HTW]

Happy cows do not surrender their cheese.

Besides, when I saw the title I thought it meant something like the Great Pumpkin. What? Another Cheesehead?

[kc7jty]

In what way is an Elephant similar to a watch?
They both come in quartz.

[n2nh]

Impressive. I've never seen so many posts about cutting the cheese. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[kg4kww]

I cut the Cheese every chance I get!!!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Did you forget all the posts we had on the History Of Underware thread? We had lots.

[w4rot]

No cow or elephant I know voluntarily wears underwear.
I choose that route.
WeareDevo,NC
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