Ex Ham Arrested for Unlicensed Operation and p

[N8WP]

On November 14, 2001, the license for Jack Gerritson, KG6IRO, granted on November 8, 2001 was set aside after the Commission received information that he had been arrested and convicted in 1999 for radio interference to the Los Angeles Police Department and that he was out on parole after serving one year of a 5 year term.

Gerritson continued operating and causing deliberate interference to numerous Amateur radio repeaters in the Los Angeles area.

On January 29, Los Angeles agents participated in a pre-dawn arrest of Gerritson, in response to complaints of death threats made by Gerritson on 2-Meter Amateur frequencies. A no-bail search and arrest warrant was served on Gerritson for violating the terms of his parole, which prohibited him from possessing radio-transmitting equipment. Gerritsen, at the time of arrest, had over 20 radios and 8 were capable of operating on frequencies in the Amateur, Marine, Land Mobile and Public Safety bands.

He had a Marine radio hidden in a closet with batteries connected to it, and a length of antenna line running outside his residence.

[W7WV]

Glad they caught this one, there are many more out just like him that are still out there.
I suppose what's next is finger prints and back round checks for FCC licensing?? Let's hope not.

[W4EGV]

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[n6dhz]

For some iteresting reading on Gerritsen see the following URL's

http://pajis.lasd.org/details.cfm?BNA_BOOKING_NO=7162992

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22jack+gerritsen%22

73 DE N6DHZ

[n6dhz]

I forgot to add in my earlier posting that tomorrow (5-9-02) is Jack Gerritsen's 66th birthday. Cards and letters can be sent to the following address.

Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department
Men's Central Jail
441 Bauchet St.
Los Angeles, CA 90012

[W0BKR]

For those that complain the FCC/Riley aren't doing anything, here is an example of busting a lunatic loser.

Albeit, there is mountain of enforcement yet to be implemented. I can only hope that more money goes into the FCC for enforcement and more idiots and jerks are taken off the air. Permanently!

[w6th]

He was off easy on the first try and the second should have a more deeper sentence. At first I felt sorrow for this chap, but have changed my mind. #He found his way in life and now will find himself at home with many more of his kind. When I received my first ticket, I was photographed, fingerprinted and investigated, ticket didn't come easy, also 13 words per minute solid copy. Well, so it be.

# # # # # # # # # # 73, and God bless America.
# # # # # # # # # # # # # #Vito # W6th

[n8ary]

Again, this has nothing to do with amateur radio per se.

He was not operating under his privileges; therefore, he was not operating as an amateur radio operator. For some reason, this is a very important detail to me.

It sounds to me like police departments may have to tighten security by using DCS or even inverted DCS instead of PL on their repeaters, or switch to a spread spectrum type of system. That's probably the only way to stop this sort of interference.

This guy sounds like he has some serious social problems aside from simply being a criminal. I hope they're trying to help him.

[w6th]

kc8pmm
# #
# # Was his first offense when he held a ham ticket?
Either way, he violated. #
# # Yes, he definately needs help.
# # # # # # # # # # # # # 73, #W6th

[kd7nqb]

I think it is great that this guy was caught. Was this the same guy there was an article about awhile ago called the "burper". I do not think I would be against backround checks for at least the general and ameture extra class licesnes.

[w8ob]

What you think DCS or Inverted DCS is gonna stop this type of thing? Don't think so.

[w8ob]

Whoops only put in one cent of my two cents worth on the last post. Hey I have no problem with the fingerprinting and back ground checks and neither should anyone else if they have nothing to hide. There thats my other cent worth.

[N8PCA]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w8ob @ May 08 2002,14:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What you think DCS or Inverted DCS is gonna stop this type of thing? Don't think so.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Thats right. Its like a home. You can pour thousands into an alarm system, but if the crook wants "it" bad enough, they will take steps to get what they want. DCS is easy to obtain. Only some non-standard tones would help... but not for long. This guy is a real moron. N8PCA

[N7QH]

Glad they caught another! FREEBANDERS AND THE UNLICENCED READ AND BEWARE! We will NOT stand by and let you operate on the bands.
N7QH

[ka2vey]

Greetings all,

I have seen the term tossed about a bit but am unsure as to its exact meaning. What is a freebander, exactly and how does it differ from unlicensed operation?

73
Scott

[N8PCA]

"Freebander" One who transmitts on any radio frequency that the person in question has NO authority to transmitt on. This term may apply more frequently to a CB'er. But not limited to such.

[W7RLL]

The way I understand it is that CBers and other unlicensed individuals are using radios that are modified to transmit on the frequencies BETWEEN the CB channels. Because these frequencies "are not assigned to another service" they are "free bands". This is, of course, illegal. Some of these people are also modifying #CB rigs to transmit on the 10 and 12 meter ham bands. This is also illegal. Some people refer to this whole group of illegals as "freebanders".

If anyone reading this can explain it better or in more detail, please jump right in. I do not claim to be an expert on this subject.

[kj5t]

Wonderful job on getting the guy! On the local reapeater we are still trying to find out who is playing music almost every saturda and sunday nights.

73
Steve,KD5OWO

[ag4rc]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The way I understand it is that CBers and other unlicensed individuals are using radios that are modified to transmit on the frequencies BETWEEN the CB channels. Because these frequencies "are not assigned to another service" they are "free bands". This is, of course, illegal. Some of these people are also modifying #CB rigs to transmit on the 10 and 12 meter ham bands. This is also illegal. Some people refer to this whole group of illegals as "freebanders".[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

"Freeband" exists above CB band before 10-Meter Amateur band and below CB band before 12-Meter Amateur band.

There are two "official" (if you will ...) calling frequencies 27.555 and 26.285 - Both usb mode.

“Freebanders” are somewhat organized with many International clubs (i.e. Alpha-Tango, Suger-Delta) and participate in worldwide DX contests. There’s even an official Country Code listing with cross-reference to Amateur Radio & ITU zones.

For example:

http://www.geocities.com/rf-man/cb/divs.html

Rumor has it many worldwide Alpha-Tango members hold Amateur Radio tickets. . . I'm NOT one of them!

73's

Peter - AG4RC #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[KC0LKC]

In regards to fingerprinting and background checks, #how do you think these would help? #I can go on ebay and buy a dual band radio and modify it for out of band TX. #I can buy a HR2510 and modify it for CB use as well. #I am not trying to flame anyone, I just want to understand your reasoning for calling for these measures to be taken. # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[n7oey]

hello ladies and gentelman of the jury
Mr. Jack Gerritson has been accused of interfere with police radio communications and was arrested by Bell Police Dept. now there are several issues here that we must take a look at.
1>what is the motive for Mr. Gerritson to do a crime like this?
2>Can you prove without a resonable doubt that it was indeed Mr. Gerritson that was making those transmissions or could it have been someone that sounds very simular to Mr. Gerritson?
3>What if any equipment was used to prove it was Mr. Gerritson?
4>was at anytime Mr. Gerritson authorised to make "legal transmission" on the police band if so when was the authority taken away and why?

This is things we must have answers for before we can go saying ata boy for catching someone, In the legal system today things are so bad that if a law enforcement officer gets it in for you they will try and most time will stick you with anything just to cause u a bunch of grief!. NOT ALL law enfocement officers are bad but there are some. Also in an earlier post someone was giving Riley an ata boy.... I did not see where he had anything to do with the arrest it was Bell PD. As for going to DCS that will not help anything, go buy an Yaesu FT-50 it has it as a standard feature as for spread spectrum or 800mhz trunking you can get that stuff off ebay for less than what you will pay for 220mhz amateur gear and the programming software and cables are cheap off ebay too!!. As for freebanders well hhhmm let riley take of them, if they are on 10 or 12M make a tape of them,if there in your area ride around till you find them get there address and get on the phone to the FCC.
as for KD5OWO if someone is playing music on sat and sun night gear up and be ready get out the direction finding equipment and go "FOX Hunting" for the D.J Wana BE!!! (he can own a FM Broadcast station for $75K new in the Building).

well thats the end of my soapbox http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[N0NB]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w8ob @ May 08 2002,15:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hey I have no problem with the fingerprinting and back ground checks and neither should anyone else if they have nothing to hide.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Ahem.

Such naive thinking. #Aside from the obvious question of "who watches the watchers" why must it be that every time some idiot goes on a rampage some "enlightened" person thinks the rest of the population is just as prone to do the same?

Besides, why must those of us who are following the rules enacted by the FCC on the amateur and other radio service bands be subjected to such absurd acts as those you "have no problem with"?

The facts seem to indicate that at the time of Mr. Gerritson's first conviction he was not a licensed radio amateur. #How would all these extracuricular governmental acts performed in the course of obtaining a license for the Amateur Radio Service have prevented Mr. Gerritson's actions or sped his apprehension?

Perhaps you believe Amerika would be a utopian place to live in with all its background checks and mandatory questioning of every action you undertake. #I for one don't believe such a place would be high on my list of places to visit let alone live.

"Those that would trade freedom for security deserve neither."

[WI3K]

To KD7NQB:

Isn't anyone but me tired of being treated like a criminal? #Why do I have to submit information about myself if I've done nothing wrong. #If a person has done nothing wrong and is an American citizen leave him alone until he does something to warrant scrutiny. #Enough is enough !

Reid #WI3K http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[SilentKey]

Jack Gerritson is my hero.

See ya on 11 meters via a radio made from vacuum tubes and stuffing from your prison mattress...DX'ing from jail...HAH


Silent Key

(Johnny sends morse code from hell)

[KG4RYT]

SHAMEFUL ACTIONS http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif # I'M GLAD THEY GOT HIM AND THERE ARE MANY MORE OUT THERE JUST LIKE HIM http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[n6dhz]

In reply to K9LTR's earlier po st.

K9LTR asked, "what is the motive for Mr. Gerritson to do a crime like this?"

No one but Mr. Gerritsen (note correct spelling of name) can answer this question. But the times I monitored him he seemed to be anti-government/anti-authority and of the opinion that the FCC did not have any authority to regulate his transmissions.

K9LTR asked, "Can you prove without a reasonable doubt that it was indeed Mr.
Gerritson that was making those transmissions or could it have been
someone that sounds very similar to Mr. Gerritson?"

During his original arrest in 1999 he was caught in the act by the California Highway Patrol & FCC broadcasting on LAPD frequencies recorded broadcasts. He was caught with radios, tape recorder and recordings. This was prior to his being licensed as an amateur. The CHP and the FCC conducted this investigation and in June of 2000 he plead guilty to broadcasting obscene messages on LAPD frequencies more than 100 or 1000 times (depending on which story you read) in the fall of 1999. His interference also interfered with a CHP pursuit in which the suspect escaped.

http://www.fcc.gov/eb/News_Releases/gerrt.html
http://www.landfield.com/isn/mail-archive/2000/Jun/0056.html
http://www.laughingpoliceman.com/usa.htm


As for the new charge amateurs monitored him for several months and the FCC, before the search warrant was served. His simply being in possession of a radio transmitter is a violation of his parole.

I would assume between recordings, voiceprints, field monitoring and tracking that they will be able to make a strong case.

K9LTR asked, "What if any equipment was used to prove it was Mr. Gerritson?"

I have no specific knowledge of what equipment was used but I would guess whatever equipment was available to the FCC Los Angeles field office.

K9LTR asked, "was at anytime Mr. Gerritson authorized to make "legal transmission"
on the police band if so when was the authority taken away and why?"

As far as I know he has never been authorized to use police frequencies. But even if he had been what difference would that make? If he was broadcasting and interfering with communications it would be a violation. The same as you operating SSB on 14.130Mhz.

Your license does not allow you to use the service as you see fit. It allows you to use it according to the rules.

He was a licensed amateur for 6 days in 1999 until his license was set aside. That of course did not stop him from using the call sign and continuing to transmit on numerous LA area repeaters. I must point out again that just possessing a radio transmitter was a violation of his parole.

K9LTR stated "Also in an earlier post someone was giving Riley an ata boy.... I did not see where he had anything to do with the arrest it was Bell PD"

I can assure that Mr. Hollingsworth had plenty to do with the search warrant. Also I'm not positive but I don't believe that the FCC has arrest powers.


73 DE N6DHZ

[N5RWC]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N8WP @ May 08 2002,08:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">On November 14, 2001, the license for Jack Gerritson, KG6IRO, granted on November 8, 2001 was set aside after the Commission received information that he had been arrested and convicted in 1999 for radio interference to the Los Angeles Police Department and that he was out on parole after serving one year of a 5 year term.

Gerritson continued operating and causing deliberate interference to numerous Amateur radio repeaters in the Los Angeles area.

On January 29, Los Angeles agents participated in a pre-dawn arrest of Gerritson, in response to complaints of death threats made by Gerritson on 2-Meter Amateur frequencies. A no-bail search and arrest warrant was served on Gerritson for violating the terms of his parole, which prohibited him from possessing radio-transmitting equipment. Gerritsen, at the time of arrest, had over 20 radios and 8 were capable of operating on frequencies in the Amateur, Marine, Land Mobile and Public Safety bands.

He had a Marine radio hidden in a closet with batteries connected to it, and a length of antenna line running outside his residence.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
This dude is a total wack-o! But sounds like some around here in Dallas.

[N8PCA]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N0NB @ May 09 2002,06:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w8ob @ May 08 2002,15:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hey I have no problem with the fingerprinting and back ground checks and neither should anyone else if they have nothing to hide.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Ahem.

Such naive thinking. #Aside from the obvious question of "who watches the watchers" why must it be that every time some idiot goes on a rampage some "enlightened" person thinks the rest of the population is just as prone to do the same?

Besides, why must those of us who are following the rules enacted by the FCC on the amateur and other radio service bands be subjected to such absurd acts as those you "have no problem with"?

The facts seem to indicate that at the time of Mr. Gerritson's first conviction he was not a licensed radio amateur. #How would all these extracuricular governmental acts performed in the course of obtaining a license for the Amateur Radio Service have prevented Mr. Gerritson's actions or sped his apprehension?

Perhaps you believe Amerika would be a utopian place to live in with all its background checks and mandatory questioning of every action you undertake. #I for one don't believe such a place would be high on my list of places to visit let alone live.

"Those that would trade freedom for security deserve neither."[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Thankyou.

[N8PCA]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (wi3k @ May 09 2002,10:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">To KD7NQB:

Isn't anyone but me tired of being treated like a criminal? #Why do I have to submit information about myself if I've done nothing wrong. #If a person has done nothing wrong and is an American citizen leave him alone until he does something to warrant scrutiny. #Enough is enough !

Reid #WI3K http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Thankyou.

[N8PCA]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SilentKey @ May 09 2002,11:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Jack Gerritson is my hero.

See ya on 11 meters via a radio made from vacuum tubes and stuffing from your prison mattress...DX'ing from jail...HAH


Silent Key

(Johnny sends morse code from hell)[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
SKANK.

[HACKER101]

For the guy, kc7...the answer is no....the 'burper' is from Burnsville Minnesota, a suburb of Minneapolis/Saint Paul. He was sentenced on April 23, 2002 in Dakota County Court in Hastings, MN by Judge Robert King to 120 days in county jail, which actually equates to 80 days, with good time figured in , minus 1 day credit for time served, 60 days EHM (Electronic Home Monitoring)....and UP TO 5 yrs minimal supervision probation.He also was assesed a minimal fine due and payable before his probation ends. He is also forbidden to own ANY transmitting equipment, and, in lieu of technological advances, he cannot also posses any software capable of 'hacking' into any other types of public safety frquencies. Maybe you should read things before assuming these people are the same. #The difference between the two ' hackers' is alarminly similar, but you have to realize that the Burnsville, MN guy, actually had the guts to publically apologize, and he is also a single father, not that that matter to most of you , because chances are if social services got involved with the Minnesota hackers kids, which they DID NOT, it would be causing public money to be spent! MAJOR TABOO!!.Then you #would be complaining about public money being spent for that. So you can't have you cake and eat it too. The other thing is, this California guy apparently has a record longer than the Minnesota guy. That plays a big role when one is going through the court system. I am a patrol officer in the city of Burnsville, Minnesota, where the Minnesota guy targeted the most. He seemed to be most interested in 'jamming' our frequency the most, which happens to be used also as a paging frequency for our fire dept and paramedics. This Burnsville man, would also #crosspatch our main channel into Minneapolis's and Saint Paul's various frequencies,and other frequencies throughout the Twin Cities.As an optimist, I have to say that as a result of these captures, the problem of 'hacking' will diminish quite a bit. Also, as an optimist, I have to say, if anything positive came out of the Burnsville, MN hackers actions from a police officers standpoint, it made us a bit more educated regarding radios, terms, repeaters, and so forth. Although both of these guys could have caused tragic results, we, as law enforcement officials, have to have faith that the punishments for each of these guys will stop them from reoffending. As the front line in the system, I truly have to believe that. I think more police officers should learn more about radios, and so forth. I also think all the ham groups in the country who have ' fox hunters' groups should be applauded for your contributions for helping use nail these losers. You should all be commended! Keep up the great work, and, together. law enforcement will help you with your findings.

[Gene475]

These are the same ideas people have given already here when the topic of freebanding, interfering with police freqs, etc comes up. Having a waiting period for licensing or getting equipment, fingerprinting, registering equipment, etc. just keeps honest people honest. As long as schematics are availabe for transmitters, you're still going to have people capable of building the equipment. This person and people like him are smart enough to find ways around these kinds of policies.

With so few manufacturers willing to make and sell ham equipment you'll probably put more of them out of business and discourage more people from getting their license -- especially younger hams that are so important to our hobby.

This crime had nothing to do with being a ham operator. It doesn't make sense to punish the rest of the licensed operators just because of one wacko.

Rather than try to get more regulation, let's help those in law enforcement catch more of these guys. There's enough trouble enforcing what's already on the books.

Gene
KG4ENL

[kf6wxj]

My hats off for Riley. I was wondering when or if he would make it to Clifornia. Now if only he could do away with Mr. James Ruppe (ex-N4XCV).

[n6dhz]

Update:

Mr. Gerritsen had hid parole violated and was sentenced to 3 years.

He is now charged with "148(A)(2)PC (CA penal code) INTERFERE
W/POLICE RADIO COMMUNICATIONS"

73 DE N6DHZ

[kc9bcy]

who owns the patent on air anyway? should the goobermint own anything that no other man owns, and have the ability to dictate to any of God's creations what is to be done with it?

deep thoughts.... maybe i Should use an anonymous alias

[K9DRX]

WHY do people keeop saying we need more strict testing and background checks for FCC amateur testing??? WHAT does this jerk-off have to do with amateur radio? NOTHING! The fact that he happened to have a ham ticket has nothing to do with his course of actions. ANYBODY, regardless of their level of ham test completion, can buy a simple hand held radio and fire up police repeaters.

The fact that he did it while having a ticket makes him a bigger idiot, YES - but amatuer radio has ZERO relevance to this story IMHO. Making threats on a ham repeater makes it a bit more pertinent but still ANYBODY can do that as well.

Mike K9DRX

[K2WH]

I fail to see the relevance of this story. #Everyone at one time or another is an "X" something. #The fact that he was once licensed and is in trouble now is unimportant and irrelevant to amateurs as a group.

How does this affect amateur radio? #Don't even attempt the argument that it gives amateurs a black eye, because it does not.

Are we going to follow this guy the rest of his life and post his crap for all to see because he was once a ham radio operator? #I hope not.

K2WH

[W5ATX]

Here's the sad fact: it DOES give ham radio a black eye. WE know it doesn't have much to do with ham radio, but the sensationalist yellow journalists are going to portray it as a "bad ham operator" and most of the public doesn't know a ham from a cb from an frs from a whatever radio. So while there's not much we could have done to prevent or affect this series of incidents, we CAN make sure our own house is as clean as possible.

Here's a suggestion for HONEST hams and a way we can do our little part for helping prevent abuses like these. See all the posts here from guys wanting to modify their rigs to transmit where they shouldn't? Stop answering. Don't tell how. Sure, most of them will figure it out eventually, but maybe a few will blow up their rigs in the process. And a few others might not find the info. Hey, it's just a little thing, and granted, it's just my personal pet peeve, but it's a start. There is NO legitimate reason for Joe Ham to modify his rig to transmit out of band. MARS and CAP guys can find legit mods through sources within their organisations. Those who illegally transmit on non-ham frequencies with their modified ham gear are NOT helping us in any way.

Ah well, that's my $.02 worth.

73,

Chris

[K2WH]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W5ATX @ May 10 2002,11:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Here's the sad fact: it DOES give ham radio a black eye. #WE know it doesn't have much to do with ham radio, but the sensationalist yellow journalists are going to portray it as a "bad ham operator" and most of the public doesn't know a ham from a cb from an frs from a whatever radio. #So while there's not much we could have done to prevent or affect this series of incidents, we CAN make sure our own house is as clean as possible. #

Here's a suggestion for HONEST hams and a way we can do our little part for helping prevent abuses like these. #See all the posts here from guys wanting to modify their rigs to transmit where they shouldn't? #Stop answering. Don't tell how. #Sure, most of them will figure it out eventually, but maybe a few will blow up their rigs in the process. #And a few others might not find the info. #Hey, it's just a little thing, and granted, it's just my personal pet peeve, but it's a start. #There is NO legitimate reason for Joe Ham to modify his rig to transmit out of band. #MARS and CAP guys can find legit mods through sources within their organisations. #Those who illegally transmit on non-ham frequencies with their modified ham gear are NOT helping us in any way.

Ah well, that's my $.02 worth. #

73,

Chris[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Absolutely correct! #That is, about modifying radios. #On this web site and others there seems to be a multitude of groups of what I will nicely call "Radio Enthusiasts" that want to modify a brand new radio to have it do something it was not supposed to do!

One posting was from a young ham who wanted to know how to modify his new VX-5r. #Never mind the damn thing receives everything from DC to light! #He wanted to "MOD" it.

I never have and never will understand this need to "Mod" things except as you state, the radio is destined for illegal transmissions and I have so stated on this site numerous times in the past.

The only "Mod' I myself may be interested in would be the possibility I may have to "Open up" my IC-756pro for the new 60 meter band and 136khz band. #"Open up" is another term used by these "Mod Squads". #However, that is for a legitimate purpose.

My .02 cents

K2WH

[W5ATX]

Now I know i'm out of touch . . .

60m? 136kc? Hmmmmmmmm . . . I remember the dope on the 1750m band way back when, and always wanted to try it, but . . . that would have taken patience I've never had. 60m? (let me do my math . . . 5mc?) What gives?

Time for me to find a new copy of part 97, huh?

73,
Chris

[K2WH]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W5ATX @ May 10 2002,21:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Now I know i'm out of touch . . .

60m? #136kc? #Hmmmmmmmm . . . # I remember the dope on the 1750m band way back when, and always wanted to try it, but . . . # that would have taken patience I've never had. #60m? #(let me do my math . . . # 5mc?) #What gives?

Time for me to find a new copy of part 97, huh?

73,
Chris[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Check out the latest ARRL bulletin. #Yes, it seems we will be getting both bands. #Will take a few years to set it up. #But, it looks like it will happen.

I believe the 60 meter band will be 5.25 to 5.75 mhz or somewhere around there. #The 136khz band will just a very small segment around that frequency but, it will be a good experimental band that's for sure.

The ARRL (your dollars at work) had petitioned the FCC for a while about this and the FCC approved the petition unaminously in the past few days.

So, there you go.

K2WH

[kg4ouv]

there is a rotten apple in every barrel, but we still like and eat apples. Lets just hope the good apples outweigh the bad ones

Bud kg4ouv

[K5KVJ]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W5ATX @ May 11 2002,10:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">MARS and CAP guys can find legit mods through sources within their organisations.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Actually, any Amateur (or otherwise) radio equipment that is not NTIA wideband compliant is no longer authorized for use on CAP frequencies. (I have no knowledge of MARS requirements on this one.) For a fairly comprehensive listing of which one's are and are not, check out the following URL's:

For VHF equipment:

http://www.ntc.cap.gov/comm/equipment/equipment.cfm

For HF equipment:

http://www.ntc.cap.gov/comm/equipment/hf_equipment.cfm

Here's the URL for the Sunset Dates as regards any radio equipment (Amateur or otherwise) used on CAP freqs:

http://www.ntc.cap.gov/comm/sunset.htm

Surprisingly it appears that some of the loudest voices within CAP that are complaining about the NTIA Specifications are Amateurs. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

Modifying a radio to operate out-of-band can be a good thing, provided it meets the specifications for operating on the freq for which it is being modified, and the owner of that radio has authorization to use that freq. But to modify a radio to operate out-of-band simply because it can be done IMHO does not warrant that modification.

Just FYI and my $.02 worth.

73's

Keith
K5KVJ

[kg4kkn]

QRZ itself provides a nice database of radio mods, some perfectly legal funtional enhancements, others, well...

Sure, everybody can band together and agree not to provide this info in the forums, and maybe you call all pressure QRZ to drop the database, but QRZ is by no means the only place to find this info. It's all over the net, and the net is all over the world. There's nothing a US ham can do about it. Enforcement? Does the name Krasnodar mean anything to you? There are others.

The info is on the loose. It's a lost cause. The truth is, were talking about a literal handful of hams causing problems. It sounds like those that are hams aren't hams for long. The FCC yanks their tickets pretty quick. If they keep it up, well, they're not hams anymore, just lawbreakers. And that makes it an issue for the FCC, FBI, the local cops, and not a HAM problem.

A handful out of a few hundred thousand hams in the USA, that's not bad. As others have said, you don't even have to be ham to buy, modify, and use or misuse ham gear. Any hamfest will set you up, or Ebay, or the classifieds on QRZ. Radios are not a controlled item.

Heck, most commercial land mobile gear has the exact same potential for abuse and compared to the number of ham users, there are a lot more of those radios on the loose. None of them are hams. Plenty of unlicensed users too, running low-rent cab companies, plumbers, etc. And yes, another handful using them to cause problems.

Two handfuls does not chaos make.

Yet, there are those who think I'm supposed to go stand in line and get photographed and fingerprinted and stamped and sealed because some nut played on the police band?


</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">See all the posts here from guys wanting to modify their rigs to transmit where they shouldn't? Stop answering. Don't tell how. Sure, most of them will figure it out eventually, but maybe a few will blow up their rigs in the process. And a few others might not find the info. Hey, it's just a little thing, and granted, it's just my personal pet peeve, but it's a start. There is NO legitimate reason for Joe Ham to modify his rig to transmit out of band. MARS and CAP guys can find legit mods through sources within their organisations. Those who illegally transmit on non-ham frequencies with their modified ham gear are NOT helping us in any way.
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[KB7MXE]

KC0LKC de KB7MXE

I agree w/you. fingerprinting and background checks to me won't do alot. It is very easy to get a radio modified or attain equipment that you can TX on illeagally. So how is a fingerprint or background check going to help with that situation? I think if these people are smart enough or good enough to get this kind of equipment or make their own modifications then they will be aware of what will happen if they get caught and take some precautions to keep themselves from getting caught. It may help a little but I think it would be a drastic thing to do to start background check and finbgerprints and all that stuff. We, as regulation abideing Hams, need to be listening for these kind of people and make the proper reports of violatons and aggresively follow-up on those such reports to help make sure they are being adressed and " taken care of" I would be more than happy to hear from others on this subject on how these type of things can or should be handled. go_army01@yahoo.com is my email address so please feel free to respond directly to me if you like.


73s and Happy Hamming, de KB7MXE sighning off.

[W5ATX]

K5KVJ - there are no frequencies a ham transmitter may be legally used except MARS (taking into account your report on CAP, which I now remember seeing somewhere.) So your statement "Modifying a radio to operate out-of-band can be a good thing, provided it meets the specifications for operating on the freq for which it is being modified, and the owner of that radio has authorization to use that freq." has no legal standing in the US. It isn't type accepted for any out of ham band service, therefore it cannot be operated outside the ham bands. No ham transmitter can be made to be legal either.

KG4KKN, you're correct too. The info is all over the place. That doesn't mean we have to help by giving it out too. I said it's just a little thing, but it's a place we can take a stand and know we are at least doing the right thing. Saying "why stop it, everyone else is" is akin to the FCC giving up on licensing CB stations just because everyone broke the law and skipped getting one. Too easy for my tastes to just throw in the towel and say they win. We should be doing our little part. No, it won't keep others from giving out the info, but it doesn't mean we should give it out too.

Chris

[k5zjq]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kc8pmm @ May 08 2002,13:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Again, this has nothing to do with amateur radio per se.

He was not operating under his privileges; therefore, he was not operating as an amateur radio operator. #For some reason, this is a very important detail to me.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
If you read the original article a little more closely, you will see that this individual was making death threats on
2-meter repeaters, so this guy would have been "operating under his priveleges," as you said...

Just wanted to shed a little light on some mis-information...

73,
Thom

[kb9num]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Actually, any Amateur (or otherwise) radio equipment that is not NTIA wideband compliant is no longer authorized for use on CAP frequencies. (I have no knowledge of MARS requirements on this one.) For a fairly comprehensive listing of which one's are and are not, check out the following URL's:

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So far the MARS implications seem to be that a radio that can't keep within the frequency stability required by the government can't be used on frequencies shared by other government agencies such as FEMA etc. #Without a crystal oven installed few rigs meet those standards, and are not used for interagency nets etc. #Some unlisted rigs are sufficiently stable to meet the standards. #It is tough for anyone to tell that it isn't on the list by listening. #However it is smart practice to take no chances and when upgrading equipment to purchase listed stuff (and get the required ovens installed). #

None of my equipment was modded until I joined MARS. #Now several of my rigs will transmit on the MARS frequencies, and others. #One rig needed professional modification and the tech needed to see proof of membership before doing the mod. #Good practice, I think.

[k6van]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
W0BKR got my attention. I've sent tapes
and letters to Mr. Hollingsworth and
did get responses from him about my
/and many other peoples' complaints
about N6AYJ . I bet that call is familiar
with many hams out there .
The point is,there were bigger fish to
fry. I guess the system does work,
( If you mess with the wrong people ) Hi

Keep the the Faith...Van...K6VAN

[ad4c]

Great job done!!! Jerks and lunatics like this guy are spread all over within ham radio specially in this area I am living on,South east FL where a bunch of idiots keep jaming local repeaters and HF bands,I wish the FCC/Riley could come down here and stay for a month in Miami area and sure they will caught a lot of ofensers to the law in hamradio.Law enforcement agencies should be in close coordination with the local FCC offices all over the country to keep jerks like this one off the air.God bless America

[w7xf]

Hey.........

In the case of L.A. basin trash-ham radio, Riley is nowhere near finished in my opinion.....there is still 147.435 and the Tucker clan to deal with, along with Roy Tuckers 'children'...... jeez...I am a trucker that is also a ham...and at times CB channel 19 is cleaner than 147.435. If you want first-hand experience, just TRY to pass emergency traffic on there (at 3am or so, it's the ONLY 2m machine with anyone on)......it won't get through. They constantly jam, play more music than KROQ does....you get the picture.

Rant#2:
Modified/modifiable 10/12m rigs..........

Just go to your friendly, neighborhood truck stop. These guys have a better selection of 10m rigs than HRO, AES, Burquardts and RatShack COMBINED!!!!!!! And NONE of them have FCC type approval. And, they come with DETAILED directions on how to modify them to operate not only on 11m CB, but also 10m ham. And, if you want a linear amplifier for 11m, some truck stops or nearby CB shops either have them, or can direct you to where you can get one. Sounds to me that's another place to target freebander enforcement.

My $0.04 worth...............K7KWH
trucker AND ham

Ok, I see alot of the post are California. What ever happend to Rick Cooper, last i herd of him there was an article in I think QST about him. I knew him in Oceanside, Calif. Wow he was something, He wasn't like Mr. Geerritson but he was differant. Just wondering. Think the article said he was somewhere in Northern Calif. As I said just curious what ever happened to him.. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[KM6FZ]

N6XRK
COOPER, RICK L
1755 LISBON LN
EL CAJON, CA 92019

Class: General
Previous Class:
Previous Callsign: KA6AUS
license status: Canceled
grant date: 01/30/1990
expired date: 01/30/2000
effective date: 01/30/1990
last_action date: 09/28/1999

Jack, made you mother proud? I think not!

[kb9gsy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N8WP @ May 08 2002,08:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">On November 14, 2001, the license for Jack Gerritson, KG6IRO, granted on November 8, 2001 was set aside after the Commission received information that he had been arrested and convicted in 1999 for radio interference to the Los Angeles Police Department and that he was out on parole after serving one year of a 5 year term.

Gerritson continued operating and causing deliberate interference to numerous Amateur radio repeaters in the Los Angeles area.

On January 29, Los Angeles agents participated in a pre-dawn arrest of Gerritson, in response to complaints of death threats made by Gerritson on 2-Meter Amateur frequencies. A no-bail search and arrest warrant was served on Gerritson for violating the terms of his parole, which prohibited him from possessing radio-transmitting equipment. Gerritsen, at the time of arrest, had over 20 radios and 8 were capable of operating on frequencies in the Amateur, Marine, Land Mobile and Public Safety bands.

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FCC SHOULD GIVE HAM OPS. POWER TO CATCH, RECORD AND WITH POLICE HELP JAIL THEM

[KD4LEI]

ABOUT TIME!! I hope this is a new beginning for stricter enforcement and weeding out the "snakes in the grass" that are out to kill one of the greatest communication tools we have as a privilege. Awesome!

[N1QAL]

Hi Folks,
Just a few notes on the info that I have read on this page.
Have any of you heard of the law that was posted on the arrl web site a while ago? I was to do with the new law Pl 106-520. This has to do with the "DX" radios that are being sold around the country and all non fcc type accepted equipment along with these so called amplifiers that go with them. They are junk, to say the least. The law was signed into effect November 2000 and states that people that are caught with this equipment are subject to heavy fines as well as possible jail time. I think this is about time. Research "ARRL"
ARLB 031 to get a good example of this. There is also an
update to go along with this.
I am also appauled as to the conversations on a lot of the bands these days. There is a lot of profanity on our bands, and I would like to see it stop. It is up to us, to set a good example for new hams coming into the hobbie, as well as students that are listening to us on the air as well. Threre are a lot of short wave listeners out there as well, and they judge us, too. Come on folks, clean up your acts!!!! There is no room for this kind of operation, lest we are judged as "CB'ERS"
What ever happened to the gentlemans agreements that we had? I have seen a lot of folks operating any way they please, maliciously interfering with people close by, mostly running too much power, too much audio, and not giving a hoot about it. This does not look good to anyone just getting into the hobbie.
As for the equipment that has been talked about, I am a firm believer in having a valid ham radio license passed to me to verify that person is legal to have the equipment that I am about to sell or give to him or her. That goes for the technoligy as well; ie; radio mods,etc. There is a good way to keep track of this equipment as not to let it get into the wrong hands, thus helping to keep our bands as clean as possible. The places that insist on selling this "DX" equipment and all other equipment,"amplifiers", a lot of which that are no more than glorified chock blocks, can be dealt with as well. The legal department at the ARRL will help us in shutting these places down if they know where they are.
I have turned a few in myself, it works.
I think that it is a good idea if we invite law enforcement officials to our field days, our testing sessions, and hamfests. This will give them a good insight on the hobbie, as well as possibily getting them involved. I personally know a few, and some that are involved now. I have been a truck driver for many years, and I have met some policemen, dispatchers, and DOT
officials that are hams. They can pass along info that can help us in this situation with truckers causing so much unwanted interference in our bands, as well as interference with all other bands and help clean things up. I have no problem with a DOT officer asking me for my license, as a matter of fact, I applaude it and wish it was done more often. So come on folks, we know how to get this stuff done, let's do it.
73 Rick

I am glad they nailed someone like that who causes interference to the nets. For the life of me can't figure out why certain people get a kick out of causing interference to the nets, especially people who are in their twenties and beyond.This shows the intelligence of some people. The 2 meter repeater net I check into on weekends is having the same problem. The person who is throwing carriers does this for a few nights in a row, then stops and we don't hear anything from him for awhile. The sad thing is that sometimes there is really no way of catching people because they are mobil or they do it just enough and then stop doing it when people are about to catch on to what they are doing. Well that is it for my two cents worth.