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VE7TKO
12-11-2005, 05:25 AM
I got my ID-800H on September 25th, 2005. Unfortunately my digital experience is limited, because there are only 4 D-STAR radios in my area at this time. Because there are no D-STAR repeaters in my area, my experimenting in the digital mode has been limited to simplex communications. In the FM analogue mode, everything works as it always has with all my other FM transceivers. For the purpose of this review, I will deal mostly with the digital aspect of this radio.

I have had the opportunity to try out both the ICOM IC-2200H and the ICOM ID-800H. The first thing I noticed on the ID-800H was the more pleasant, softer beep when the power was turned on. The ID-800H is also a little shorter than the IC-2200H, because it uses a fan instead of a massive heat sink to cool the transmitter circuit. The control head is also removable, allowing for remote mounting in cars where space is at a premium. This radio sounded and looked more refined than anything else that I have owned before. I have been researching the D-STAR system for several months now, ever since I got my first IC-V82 with the UT-118 board installed. This is the radio that I had been waiting for.

After programming in some basic information for digital operation, and some local conventional repeaters, I proceeded to call up some of my friends on the local FM repeater to see if they noticed any difference. I didn’t tell them that I had a new radio. At this time I have only one friend in my area, who also has a D-STAR compliant radio. I expect this to change greatly within the next 12 months. When I got a hold of him, I asked him to switch to 145.600 MHz DV – simplex. That was the frequency that we use when I use my IC-V82.

I immediately saw his callsign scroll slowly across the display. His voice was clear and distinct, but it sounded a little different than in the analogue FM mode. The next thing that I noticed was the standby beep after he unkeyed the mike. This is very useful since the lack of a tale squelch sometimes made it difficult to know exactly when the other party was finished talking. I often found myself talking over the other party, if he had a long pause while he was talking.

I proceeded to experiment with the digital side of the radio. I was most intrigued about what I read on page 67 of the manual, about EMR communications. I turned the volume on my handheld radio down to “0”. I pressed and held the EMR key on the ID-800H until 4 short beeps were heard. I proceeded to call my HT, and to my surprise, the signal from my ID-800H turned the volume back up to “12” on my HT. When the roles were reversed, the IC-V82 was not able to turn up the analog volume control on the ID-800H. Upon further investigation, I found a second digital volume control on the microphone. When this was used to turn down the volume, The EMR setting on my HT would turn up the volume on my ID-800H. This is going to be a very useful feature, since some of my family members have a habit of turning the volume down when I am away from home. I can now turn the volume back up remotely. This setting will also overrides the digital squelch and call sign to callsign squelch giving quick access to other stations in times of emergency.

For the time being, I do not use call sign to call sign calling. I always have “Ur-CALL” set to “CQCQCQ”. This will make the radio operate like a conventional ham radio, with any other D-STAR radio that tries to call me in DV mode. The call sign of the calling station will show up on my display. I have programmed all my radios with my callsign plus /B for base, /P for portable and /M for mobile. Other ID-800H users will be able to see which radio I am using.

My longest D-STAR simplex communication was 21.8 kilometres or 13.5 miles. This was between my ID-800H as a base using a Diamond X50A antenna (4.5 dB gain) mounted about 25 feet above the ground and an IC-V82 using a Larsen 2/70 Mag Mount antenna on the left hand corner of my trunk lid. The communication is between my wife’s place of employment at Langley Memorial Hospital and my home in Abbotsford. The terrain in between the two sites consists of small hills with a lot of trees and another small town at about the half way mark. Copy at this distance was crisp and clear. This same contact on normal analog FM simplex could not get a clear copy. Next year I will be installing a 9.3 dB gain antenna with an extra 10 feet of mast. That will give me a big increase in simplex range.

The addition of the MODE, BK and EMR keys gives you quick access to important digital features without having to search through a complicated menu system. This will speed up the learning curve as you learn how your new radio works.

A detailed description of the D-STAR open protocol may be found at http://www.icomamerica.com/amateur/dstar/ in a booklet called “D-STAR for the Second Century of Amateur Radio”. This booklet is also available in printed format from ICOM and is probably the most complete training aid on the D-STAR protocol. I highly recommend that clubs order enough copies of this resource, so that every member can have one as a personal reference on the subject.

I gave this radio a 5 out of 5 because it meets all of my expectations for digital voice quality and open protocol compatibility. The controls are well laid out and easy to use. I do recommend the use of programming software to speed up and ease the programming process.

N1XHF
12-11-2005, 02:25 PM
It's too bad they did not included it or have D-Star as an option in the new IC-7000. I think that would have been a great way to promote it.

VE7TKO
12-12-2005, 06:59 AM
Quote[/b] (N1XHF @ Dec. 11 2005,07:25)]It's too bad they did not included it or have D-Star as an option in the new IC-7000. I think that would have been a great way to promote it.
I agree with you.

W0LPQ
12-12-2005, 04:06 PM
It is the perogative of Icom and who ever else to push D-Star if they like it.

I do not. Zero interest period. That is exactly what I told Icom at Dayton last year and in an email to them several months ago. If the 7000 had D-Star, I would not consider purchasing one.

If you like it ... fine, just don't shove it down the throats of those who do not.

Bill, W0LPQ

N1XHF
12-12-2005, 10:21 PM
That's why I had said "option" that way you do not have to have it if you don't want to.

I guess you now understand why some of us NCT's feel the same about CW?

W0LPQ
12-12-2005, 10:27 PM
XHF: For the moment, CW is required. D-Star is not. Whether or not you learn anything about CW, I could care less .. that is up to you. Many pro/con sides out there. I stay out of it. Not up to me. However, if you want HF now, CW is the only way to go.

Bill, W0LPQ

WA4QVZ
02-02-2006, 07:14 PM
Jan,

First thank you for your insight and information about the 800H. I've been thinking about buying one myself, although I must admit I need to learn more about the aspects of ICOM's D-Star equipment. I assume your only digital experience with your 800H is via simplex and digital repeaters must be rare as hen's teeth!

I've read about the digital 1.2ghz ICOM D-Star repeaters, but wasn't aware ICOM is making digital repeaters for 2 meters. Are they?

I'm guessing California is probably leading the US in digital amateur communications, although don't know that for sure.

I see your post raised the hair on one amateur's neck. It's interesting how fast people get 'up at arms' over anything that changes in this hobby; whether its the shift from spark-gap equipment to modulated CW equipment, CW to AM, AM to SSB, Tubes vs Solid State, CW EME vs Digital EME, Code Licenses vs No Code Licensees.... some people just hate change and love to argue. I find it funny when people argue over stuff like this! :^) People need to get over change. Like the saying goes, "The only thing constant in this world is change." Sorry folks.... digital is coming! Pushed down your throat? You bet! My guess is sooner or later FCC will be forced to mandate it! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

As for switching to Digital, I'm all for it. There's definite advantages. I mean... come on... we've been using SSB and AM since the 40's now, and Frequency Modulation is decades old too. With the advent of better technology we'll be able to add more qso's per band than we currently experience, we'll be able to easily link repeaters together, pass high speed data, and digital video, and numerous other advantages. (Cell-phone-like automatically linked repeaters for example! Digital Audio/Video HT's?!

I'm betting before we see wide-spread use of digital on VHF and UHF, we'll see the Japanese adding the digital option to HF equipment. Being able to minimize bandwidth is even more important on our narrow HF bands. Plus since HF comm doesn't require a repeater infastructure change, HF digital comm will be able to benefit SSB communication clarity by a long shot!

Getting back to you 800H. That was an interesting distance test you ran between the analog and digital modes. In general would you say the digital mode offers you better range overall?

Are there any digital 2 meter repeaters in your area, or planned?

73 & tnx agn,

KF4HR

W0LPQ
02-02-2006, 07:35 PM
QVZ/HR - raise the hair?? New one to me .. I did not get defensive about anything. I just don't want it shoved down my throat as some people are trying to do. If the FCC mandates it, so be it. I won't be part of it.

As I said ... if you bothered to read it, if you like it, fine. Go for it. If you don't, so be it.

I don't.

HF Digital stuff has been around for a while, maybe not in amateur radio.

Bill, W0LPQ

KE5KWB
11-15-2006, 06:53 PM
Quote[/b] ]I'm betting before we see wide-spread use of digital on VHF and UHF, we'll see the Japanese adding the digital option to HF equipment.

Have you ever looked into Digital Radio Mondale (DRM)? It's a way to send digital, commercial FM Stereo quality music over HF bands. Some European countries have embargoed HF frequency bands and devoted them to DRM use.

I'm guessing the next few years will be very interesting! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif