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kg4kww
12-07-2005, 08:11 PM
Shots Fired By US Air Marshall On Plane (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10367598/)
kg4kww
12-07-2005, 08:28 PM
Update BBC London (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4508432.stm)
k6pme
12-07-2005, 08:31 PM
I'm glad to see the Air Marshalls are doing the job. Well done.
kg4kww
12-07-2005, 10:13 PM
First Time Air Marshall Has Fired a Weapon (http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/12/07/airplane.gunshot/index.html)
Well this is going to piss off the Liberals at the ACLU.
Go Job Air Marshalls
The guy they shot sounds like a candidate for the Darwin Awards.
KI4BNC
12-07-2005, 10:24 PM
or more stringent gag orders for fruitcakes that fly.
on planes.
kg4kww
12-07-2005, 10:32 PM
Live video Feed ABC News (http://mfile.akamai.com/12441/live/reflector:39570.asx)
W8CEI
12-08-2005, 03:39 AM
One less trouble maker. good shot, hope they keep up the good work.
"Air Marshals ignore threat from obvious terrorist, bomb blows up airliner, Marshal blamed."
Oh, the news is running the other prewritten banner "Air Marshals KILL bipolar religous leader just coming back from evangelical service, while wife is screaming he's bipolar! NO BOMB found!"
They've got those prewritten. The news on my TV ran the latter. Note your CNN article didn't include the wife's version, indicated he was traveling with another woman.
I want to be on the plane where the Marshal does his job, not the politically correct version.
Give that Air Marshall a loolypop. http://recollectionbooks.com/bleed/images/war/bush_gu.jpg
N9XR
Well, the initial reports from London a few months back indicated that Brazilian electrician Mr Menezes was asking for it too. Initial reports, however, have a nasty way of being inaccurate, sometimes wildly so.
I'll wait until the true facts come out (assuming they ever do) before either criticizing or praising the air marshals. I've been around too long to accept things as true merely because the government claims it's so.
It sounds like the harmless but troubled, suffering man was low on his meds. He will suffer no more. RIP
I refuse to revel in the suffering and death of the mentally ill. Tortured souls are not generally well spoken of here. Unfortunately, that bespeaks a certain level of immaturity...
I really think the official power to carry guns amidst disarmed citizens should be bestowed only on wise, level-headed, and courageous individuals. The shooter may have been poorly chosen. Disarm him just in case.
KG4CGC
12-08-2005, 11:39 AM
Every person on a plane should be armed.
ae4fa
12-08-2005, 12:29 PM
Quote[/b] ]Every person on a plane should be armed
Isn't there a town in Georgia that has an ordinance requiring every adult male to be armed at all times? Wonder what the crime rate is there?
Quote[/b] (al2i @ Dec. 07 2005,04:17)]It sounds like the harmless but troubled, suffering man was low on his meds. He will suffer no more. RIP
I refuse to revel in the suffering and death of the mentally ill. Tortured souls are not generally well spoken of here. Unfortunately, that bespeaks a certain level of immaturity...
Agree it is a shame that a person low on his meds was killed, however, the Sky Marshalls did exactly the right thing.
Consider this.
1) There is a terrorist threat -- they have proven they are willing to act and take as many of us out as possible.
2) Man communicated a threat, was in a physical location to harm many folks, was ignoring instructions by authorities. (meds or no meds)
3) Folks responsible for the safety of passengers (US and Foreign travelers) assesed the situation, established the threat, tried to take care of it NOT using force, and resulted in deadly force when it appeared the "person" was going to act on his threat.
Like it or not, this is the way of the world. This could have happened in the US or ANY country in the world with exactly the same result.
Heart goes out to the families, but the security folks did exactly the right thing. If I were in the same shoes, I would have also pulled the trigger. (And just like the folks that did, likely live with that decision the rest of our life)
Quote[/b] (KG4CGC @ Dec. 08 2005,04:39)]Every person on a plane should be armed.
I am less than fully comfortable with this, unless by "armed" you mean weapons which do not threaten the integrity of the systems that keep me flying safely and alive in the stratosphere. Medium to high power rubber-band guns should be safe.
kg4kww
12-08-2005, 10:12 PM
The wife should have been more fourcefull in getting her message accross to the air marshalls that her OM was off his meds and that he just had a back pack with clothes in it.
However, the air marshalls given that they didn't know he was not on his meds and didn't have a bomb, did the right thing.
My heart goes out to his wife and family.
Surprised that by this point, in the replies to the post, the libs have not found a way to blame this guys shooting on the Bush Administration. #It is a shame this guy had a mental problem and hard to guess why his wife did not make his condition, and lack of meds, clear to the flight crew/pilot long before this took place.
Based on the reports, so far, the air marshall did exactly what he should have done. #His actions should be rewarded.
KI4BNC
12-08-2005, 11:03 PM
they need to get this guy on the offense and promote something positive on this before the libs have a chance to blow it all out of proportion,and try to blame it on bush,like they always do.
I am not saying it was right or wrong and my heart goes out to the family of the departed but in that situation with the LIMITED allegations(I do not relate much from the media as truth.)I have heard and read then I personally think that the marshal did the right thing.
flame away.
Scared Brazilians and confused mental cases: 0
Brave security forces: 2
I do in all fairness say that the private security response in the LA terminal a few years ago was appropriate and courageous. I give my strongest kudos to El Al Airlines and their stalwart security staff.
This is real professional bravery (http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/07/04/la.airport.shooting/)
Mix an airliner full of people, armed air marshals, and anybody running loose and hollering "bomb" and the result is predictable and was as it turned out.
The marshal had to make a decision in a split second with what he had to go on...As he saw it, there was
no other choice at the time. He did what he had to do.
We should not sit here way after the fact and far away and make any kind of conclusion about it.
Quote[/b] (al7n @ Dec. 08 2005,17:54)]The marshal had to make a decision in a split second with what he had to go on...As he saw it, there was
no other choice at the time. He did what he had to do.
We should not sit here way after the fact and far away and make any kind of conclusion about it.
Unless, of course, the dead fellow didn't actually holler "bomb." And didn't actually pose a threat. And was actually off the plane at the time of getting shot -- I mean, unlawfully interfering with the progress of a federal bullet.
Nor should the other people on the plane, who had shotguns pressed to the backs of their heads, ask any questions either -- such as "why am I paying my hard earned money to be held at gunpoint by people I'm paying even more to supposedly protect me?"
Nor should the rest of us wonder why we should bother continuing to patronize airlines who treat us like criminals and now kill us and expect us to just sit back and take it while praising our executioners for "doing what they gotta do."
No, no, absolutely not. We shouldn't draw any conclusions from this. Nor should we ask any questions or question authority. If they kill us, it will be for our own good. We should be honored.
k9kjm
12-09-2005, 08:46 AM
I agree with K9CN. # # MAYBE this poor guy with a mental problem yelled "bomb" and they did the right thing by shooting. Then again, MAYBE he DIDNT yell bomb....... I doubt we will ever know the real truth of what really happened.
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Quote[/b] (k9kjm @ Dec. 09 2005,01:46)]I agree with K9CN. MAYBE this poor guy with a mental problem yelled "bomb" and they did the right thing by shooting. Then again, MAYBE he DIDNT yell bomb....... I doubt we will ever know the real truth of what really happened.
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Sure we do. A powerless, slightly dysfunctional member of the human race was shot. Happens all of the time.
kg4kww
12-09-2005, 10:38 PM
Sorry al2i but I don't agree with your last post.
These dudes had to protect da plane and da passengers.
What would the dudes from Isreal have done if it happened on their plane?
I feel sorry for the family of this dude and I hope he's now resting in peace.
I'm with ya KWW, just let me rustle up my jackboots.
w4ass
12-10-2005, 04:27 AM
Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ Dec. 09 2005,18:38)]Sorry al2i but I don't agree with your last post.
These dudes had to protect da plane and da passengers.
What would the dudes from Isreal have done if it happened on their plane?
I feel sorry for the family of this dude and I hope he's now resting in peace.
i agree the israelies would of used a hk-47 semi and used more than 1 bullet lol now what if he "DID" have a bomb and set it off causing the plane to #crash and burn?, then every one would of asked "WHY DIDEN'T THE AIR MAESHEL'S DO SOMTHING"?,kinda a catch 22?..so i say cudo's to the marshal who fired the shot , give him a cigar, a case of beer and a week off ( with pay) ,
73,s
bob
kg4kww
12-10-2005, 05:19 AM
CNN; Video of Man Shot By Marshalls (http://www.cnn.com/video/player/player.html?url=/video/us/2005/12/09/vo.alpizar.surveillance.video.cnn)
I don't think this should have been given to CNN.
W2ILP
12-10-2005, 05:25 AM
The title of this thread is inaccurate. The Air Marshal did not fire shots on the plane. He shot the running man on the jet-way, which is the sheltered tube that connects the aircraft to the terminal. So here then is another possible exaggeration. Shooting on an aircraft in flight has the danger of breaking its pressurization. I think that Air Marshals may be taught to avoid that whenever possible.
People who rave on airplanes shouldn't carry backpacks.
w2ilp (Inappropriate Landed Pursuit?)....He dunno if the bag was loaded.
kg4kww
12-10-2005, 08:19 PM
The title is of the thread isn't what's important it's the content. This poor man wasn't in his right mind and the air marshalls had to make a choice and they did. It wasn't an easy choice but it was made. I feel sorry for the man's family and I hope he's now resting in peace.
n3zra
12-10-2005, 10:01 PM
I belive that the air marshals are taught like every other law enforcement officer to use deadly force only when absoultely necessary. And unless I am mistaken, they use a special type of bullet in their weapons that is designed to not penitrate the shell of the aircraft.
kg4kww
12-11-2005, 04:03 AM
Now that I didn't know n3zra, that's interesting.