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n0jaa
11-18-2005, 07:32 PM
Commissioner Abernathy announced she is leaving the FCC. #She was one of the most vocal proponents for BPL. #We can only hope her replacement will be more open to Amateur Radio Issues.
Paul, N0JAA.
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE # # # # # #NEWS MEDIA CONTACT
November 17, 2005 # # # # # #Lauren “Pete” Belvin 202-418-2400
STATEMENT OF COMMISSIONER KATHLEEN Q. ABERNATHY
ANNOUNCING HER DEPARTURE FROM THE FCC
Yesterday I sent a letter to President Bush thanking him for the profound privilege and honor of serving on the Federal Communications Commission and informing him of my intention to leave the Commission on December 9, 2005.
During my 4 ½-year tenure the Commission has achieved a great deal. #First and foremost, our decisions increasingly reflect the wisdom of relying on competition, rather than regulation, as the best means of assuring that consumers get the telecommunications
services they want at affordable rates. #
Our largely market-driven approach to advanced services has helped create a vibrant market for new wired and wireless telecommunications products, and our spectrum reform initiatives have improved our ability to put this scarce resource to its most effective use. #And I am particularly pleased that as Chair of the ITU’s 2004 Global Symposium for Regulators I was able to share our competition-based philosophy with regulators from other countries. #
Implicit in the Commission’s competition-oriented approach to telecommunications regulation is a recognition of the fact that competition is a journey. #It is a journey in which there are winners and losers, change and upheaval, and no clear destination where all things are settled and all competitors are satisfied. #Our effort to create greater regulatory symmetry between cable and telephone company providers of advanced high-speed broadband networks is but one example of that process.
The Commission’s decisions have also embodied the understanding that competitive markets depend on empowered consumers. #Where consumers have choices, and the ability to make them, pervasive regulation is unnecessary. #In line with this realization, we targeted regulation to those comparatively few situations in which marketplace competition and informed consumer choice do not increase consumer welfare. #For that reason, we have taken steps to make sure that emergency communications work reliably for us and for those who protect us, and we have provided parents with the information and tools needed to control their childrens’ multichannel TV viewing choices.
All of our successes, and even our failures, demonstrate one fundamental truth: #that regulation is most effective when it deals with markets as they are #-- #not as they might once have been, and not as we would ideally like them to be. To the extent the Commission’s decisions on difficult issues in the days to come are based on this principle, it will continue to advance the security and well-being of our country and our people.
It has been my privilege to work during my term with five gifted public servants, Chairman Kevin Martin, Chairman Michael Powell, Commissioner Michael Copps, Commissioner Jonathan Adelstein, and Commissioner Gloria Tristani. #I greatly appreciate their dedication and their friendship. #I also want to thank all of those who served on my personal staff throughout my term for their commitment, their intellectual curiosity, and their loyalty.
Above all, I am grateful beyond measure to the bedrock of this agency, the Commission’s career staff. #In my judgment, they rank second to none in their professionalism, expertise, and hard work. I will always remember the pleasure of working with them in a number of different capacities over the course of the last two decades, and I will never forget how essential they are to all the Commission’s achievements.
- FCC -
Quote[/b] (n0jaa @ Nov. 18 2005,12:32)]Commissioner Abernathy announced she is leaving the FCC. #She was one of the most vocal proponents for BPL. #We can only hope her replacement will be more open to Amateur Radio Issues.
Paul, N0JAA.
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE # # # # # #NEWS MEDIA CONTACT
November 17, 2005 # # # # # #Lauren “Pete” Belvin 202-418-2400
STATEMENT OF COMMISSIONER KATHLEEN Q. ABERNATHY
ANNOUNCING HER DEPARTURE FROM THE FCC
Yesterday I sent a letter to President Bush thanking him for the profound privilege and honor of serving on the Federal Communications Commission and informing him of my intention to leave the Commission on December 9, 2005.
During my 4 ½-year tenure the Commission has achieved a great deal. #First and foremost, our decisions increasingly reflect the wisdom of relying on competition, rather than regulation, as the best means of assuring that consumers get the telecommunications
services they want at affordable rates. #
Our largely market-driven approach to advanced services has helped create a vibrant market for new wired and wireless telecommunications products, and our spectrum reform initiatives have improved our ability to put this scarce resource to its most effective use. #And I am particularly pleased that as Chair of the ITU’s 2004 Global Symposium for Regulators I was able to share our competition-based philosophy with regulators from other countries. #
Implicit in the Commission’s competition-oriented approach to telecommunications regulation is a recognition of the fact that competition is a journey. #It is a journey in which there are winners and losers, change and upheaval, and no clear destination where all things are settled and all competitors are satisfied. #Our effort to create greater regulatory symmetry between cable and telephone company providers of advanced high-speed broadband networks is but one example of that process.
The Commission’s decisions have also embodied the understanding that competitive markets depend on empowered consumers. #Where consumers have choices, and the ability to make them, pervasive regulation is unnecessary. #In line with this realization, we targeted regulation to those comparatively few situations in which marketplace competition and informed consumer choice do not increase consumer welfare. #For that reason, we have taken steps to make sure that emergency communications work reliably for us and for those who protect us, and we have provided parents with the information and tools needed to control their childrens’ multichannel TV viewing choices.
All of our successes, and even our failures, demonstrate one fundamental truth: #that regulation is most effective when it deals with markets as they are #-- #not as they might once have been, and not as we would ideally like them to be. To the extent the Commission’s decisions on difficult issues in the days to come are based on this principle, it will continue to advance the security and well-being of our country and our people.
It has been my privilege to work during my term with five gifted public servants, Chairman Kevin Martin, Chairman Michael Powell, Commissioner Michael Copps, Commissioner Jonathan Adelstein, and Commissioner Gloria Tristani. #I greatly appreciate their dedication and their friendship. #I also want to thank all of those who served on my personal staff throughout my term for their commitment, their intellectual curiosity, and their loyalty.
Above all, I am grateful beyond measure to the bedrock of this agency, the Commission’s career staff. #In my judgment, they rank second to none in their professionalism, expertise, and hard work. I will always remember the pleasure of working with them in a number of different capacities over the course of the last two decades, and I will never forget how essential they are to all the Commission’s achievements.
- FCC -
Good riddance.... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
k4lem
11-23-2005, 05:56 PM
As long as Bush and the GOP remain in power, including both Houses of Congress, expect only a clone appointment. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
KC7UP
11-23-2005, 07:12 PM
I certainly do not like Bush however I think he may have to tone down his appointments due to public sentiment. I won't say that it couldn't be worse but hopefully for the better .
Curt
ke4zhn
11-23-2005, 09:16 PM
Good news. Another BPL cheerleader down the road. However, as long as Bush is so in favor of ramming this BPL trash down our throats, you can be rest assured the next one to take her place will be another BPL advocate.
Abernathy did a great job! I hope we see a new commissioner with as much sensitivity for the the amateur radio service.
73,
Chip N1IR
Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Nov. 23 2005,14:46)]Abernathy did a great job! I hope we see a new commissioner with as much sensitivity for the the amateur radio service.
73,
Chip N1IR
If Chip liked her, there must be something wrong with her.
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 23 2005,14:51)]Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Nov. 23 2005,14:46)]Abernathy did a great job! I hope we see a new commissioner with as much sensitivity for the the amateur radio service.
73,
Chip N1IR
If Chip liked her, there must be something wrong with her.
Don't be a goose:-)
Let's play 'Fess Up Time'!
Please list all the actions Commissioner Abernathy took that:
1) Led to a decrease of privileges/and or bandwidth for the amateur radio service;
2) Led to a degradation of the mission--vis a vis Part 97-- of the amatuer radio service.
Indeed, during Ms Abernathy's tenure, the ARS gained frequencies; had reform in mode use; and actually grew.
This nonsense about Ms. Abernathy's position on BPL having even a SMIDGEON of negative impact on the ARS is unfounded propaganda.
73,
Chip N1IR
Fresh from scenic Chip-world and back to reality.
Another one bites the dust.
Too bad SOP will still be the rule.
K8WRS
11-24-2005, 01:52 AM
She is a long winded female dog!
Dave, K8WRS:p
Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Nov. 23 2005,17:33)]Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 23 2005,14:51)]Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Nov. 23 2005,14:46)]Abernathy did a great job! I hope we see a new commissioner with as much sensitivity for the the amateur radio service.
73,
Chip N1IR
If Chip liked her, there must be something wrong with her.
Don't be a goose:-)
Let's play 'Fess Up Time'!
Please list all the actions Commissioner Abernathy took that:
1) Led to a decrease of privileges/and or bandwidth for the amateur radio service;
2) Led to a degradation of the mission--vis a vis Part 97-- of the amatuer radio service.
Indeed, during Ms Abernathy's tenure, the ARS gained frequencies; had reform in mode use; and actually grew.
This nonsense about Ms. Abernathy's position on BPL having even a SMIDGEON of negative impact on the ARS is unfounded propaganda.
73,
Chip N1IR
And while I am doing that, how about:
Please list all the actions Commissioner Abernathy personally took that :
1) Led to a increase of protection for the ARS against commercial interests.
2) Led to a improvement of the mission--vis a vis Part 97-- of the amatuer radio service.
3) Led to the growth of the service in new Amateurs.
4) Led to the improvement in the quality of Amateur Radio.
Indeed, during Ms Abernathy's tenure, lost stature; lost frequencies by sharing with part 15; and actually shrunk.
This nonsense about Ms. Abernathy's position on BPL having even a SMIDGEON of positive impact on the ARS is unfounded propaganda.
73!
P.S. And while you're at it, please provide the first word of every paragraph from "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich", a book report on the use of word "the" in the book "War and Peace", and a list of all the people who respect your opinion on QRZ. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
kc8nmw
11-24-2005, 06:27 PM
The liberals and democrats will complain about whomever Bush nominates. #Look at the complaints over the Supreme Court nominees. #The bottom line is that when you democrats win elections and control the congress then they can pick the nominees, until then SHUT UP!! #President Bush was democratically reelected and won by a margin of over 4 million votes, (oh wait I forgot, the election was "stolen" in 2000 and last year there was fraud here in my state of ohio). #I am tired of making everything political but people in comments above have done just that. #It was ok for Bill Clinton to put all his liberals in these postions but now that its Bush and he is an evil Republican it must be stopped. #I hope Bush nominates the most conservative person to fill the spot of Abernathy. #I want to see the democrats and liberals have another meltdown.
Quote[/b] (AE4TM @ Nov. 24 2005,12:21)]Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Nov. 23 2005,14:46)]Abernathy did a great job! I hope we see a new commissioner with as much sensitivity for the the amateur radio service.
73,
Chip N1IR
Dr Chip,
You should have mentioned that you have money invested in RF ID in the same message you posted above.
I disagree with your remark and add that Abernathy had NO concern for the potential interference BPL would have on hospital MRI, EEG, and ICU telemetry systems! Most people at some point in their life will need a hospitalization and I hope physicians will have BPL free 60Hz hospital sockets in which to run the sensitive diagnostics free from HF interference!
Ed
Hi Ed,
That is incorrect.
I have no money invested in RFID. But apparently some hams who are involved with Cushcraft have interest in RFID, so it looks like it's OK to do ham stuff and RFID, at the same time, don't you think? Go look at Cushcraft's catalog if you don't believe me.
Why not ham AND RFID ? Why one or the other? Why is 'ham' contra 'RFID'?
Despite Ron (AI4CB's) rational and informative (contrarian) post, I still don't get the popular point of view here: why should I hate this person? I am a little slow, I guess; hatred is not a default mode for me. Sorry!
The best I can figure, ham radio has sought out a 'homogeneity of hatred', where #apparently heinous technologies and individuals are used as foci for irrational propaganda, and IMO, spurned on by the ARRL/NAAR.
There is great power in such a viewpoint--focus is a wondrous thing. But before I check my brain at the door, and manifest behavior more appropriate to fascists, IMO, I want to see exactly what's on the tab. Who can help me? Maybe they can let me taste the POWER of the FORCE--dark side.
It seems that we are all supposed to hate Ms. Abernathy for reasons that are beyond reason.
Could someone save me some time and publish a FULL list of all the people, technologies, companies, and so on, that as a licensed 'ham', I am supposed to hate?
I'd really like to know what ham radio has become--or at least what some very vocal hams see it being.
Appreciate all who help: who is on the hate list, and why?
This should be a delightfully insightful discussion that so ensues.
And Ron--thanks again for the relevant facts on Ms. Abernathy. I think this fine public servant deserves better than ham vilification.
73,
Chip N1IR
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 24 2005,07:34)]Indeed, during Ms Abernathy's tenure, lost stature; lost frequencies by sharing with part 15; and actually shrunk.
I don't think Ms. Abernathy has shrunk or lost stature; do you mean she lost some weight?
What frequencies did we lose and why? I am not aware of ANY frequencies that we lost in that time period.
73,
Chip N1IR
K0RGR
11-25-2005, 04:32 PM
Quote[/b] (kc8nmw @ Nov. 24 2005,11:27)]The liberals and democrats will complain about whomever Bush nominates. Look at the complaints over the Supreme Court nominees. The bottom line is that when you democrats win elections and control the congress then they can pick the nominees, until then SHUT UP!! President Bush was democratically reelected and won by a margin of over 4 million votes, (oh wait I forgot, the election was "stolen" in 2000 and last year there was fraud here in my state of ohio). I am tired of making everything political but people in comments above have done just that. It was ok for Bill Clinton to put all his liberals in these postions but now that its Bush and he is an evil Republican it must be stopped. I hope Bush nominates the most conservative person to fill the spot of Abernathy. I want to see the democrats and liberals have another meltdown.
In fairness, the leader of the House democrats was also recently quoted as being in favor of BPL, so we can't blame it entirely on your corporation-worshipping, bribe-taking Republican elected officials, or their evil leader in the White House. But, it will be interesting to see who President Ali-Babba nominates. Some of his nominees of late have turned out to be so conservative that they actually have an honest bone in their bodies, which makes them impossible to confirm in the Senate.
k2lck
11-25-2005, 07:00 PM
I said it before, and I will say it again.. Campaign contributions rule... EdM
n0jaa
11-25-2005, 09:43 PM
Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Nov. 24 2005,19:08)]Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 24 2005,07:34)]Indeed, during Ms Abernathy's tenure, lost stature; lost frequencies by sharing with part 15; and actually shrunk.
I don't think Ms. Abernathy has shrunk or lost stature; do you mean she lost some weight?
What frequencies did we lose and why? I am not aware of ANY frequencies that we lost in that time period.
73,
Chip N1IR
We lost part of the 1296-MHz band to commercial satellite interests.
Paul, N0JAA.
KA3NRX
11-25-2005, 10:06 PM
In fairness, the leader of the House democrats was also recently quoted as being in favor of BPL, so we can't blame it entirely on your corporation-worshipping, bribe-taking Republican elected officials, or their evil leader in the White House
Hey K0RGR: Nice to see that you are spreading the blame and including your Marxist, Socialist, Leftist, Bill Clinton/Ted Kennedy Worshiping, Welfare Distributing, For The Common Good Democrat Elected Officials who will NEVER regain power in the house, senate or white house as long as they are as I described, which I hope they remain!....Why do some of you people have to politicize things???.....Why can't we all just agree that BPL is Junk Science whose steam has run or is running out, and leave it at that!!!...and forget about the politics for once!!!....
Quote[/b] (n0jaa @ Nov. 25 2005,14:43)]We lost part of the 1296-MHz band to commercial satellite interests.
Paul, N0JAA.
What did we lose and how did we lose it?
Was it a primary allocation? Date?
Kindly elaborate: I am interested.
73,
Chip N1IR
k1lwi
11-26-2005, 03:55 AM
good news bpl cheerleader out great #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
wendell 73
kb2wye
11-26-2005, 10:22 AM
take care, brush your hair and don't let the FCC's doors hit you in your ass on the way out!
Quote[/b] (KA3NRX @ Nov. 25 2005,19:06)]<span style='color:darkred'>Nice to see that you are spreading the blame and including your Marxist, Socialist, Leftist, Bill Clinton/Ted Kennedy Worshiping, Welfare Distributing, For The Common Good Democrat Elected Officials who will NEVER regain power in the house, senate or white house as long as they are as I described, which I hope they remain!....Why do some of you people have to politicize things???</span>
MUaaaahhaahahahttp://mobile-sg.com/images/emoticons0/hysterical.gif
Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Nov. 24 2005,16:08)]Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 24 2005,07:34)]Indeed, during Ms Abernathy's tenure, lost stature; lost frequencies by sharing with part 15; and actually shrunk.
I don't think Ms. Abernathy has shrunk or lost stature; do you mean she lost some weight?
What frequencies did we lose and why? I am not aware of ANY frequencies that we lost in that time period.
73,
Chip N1IR
Shrunk=Less Amateurs in the service. But thanks Paul.
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 26 2005,07:30)]Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Nov. 24 2005,16:08)]Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 24 2005,07:34)]Indeed, during Ms Abernathy's tenure, lost stature; lost frequencies by sharing with part 15; and actually shrunk.
I don't think Ms. Abernathy has shrunk or lost stature; do you mean she lost some weight?
What frequencies did we lose and why? I am not aware of ANY frequencies that we lost in that time period.
73,
Chip N1IR
Shrunk=Less Amateurs in the service. #But thanks Paul.
That is incorrect.
There are more amateurs now than in early 2001. The decline started in about 2003/2004.
73,
Chip N1IR
W8VIJ
11-26-2005, 05:07 PM
[B]Oh boy! Here we go again with the blame Bush for everything! Get over it you liberals! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
kc8nmw
11-26-2005, 08:52 PM
Yeah the democrats and liberals of this country love to politicize everything so now its our turn. Ever since the 2000 election these people have been off their rockers. Everything is Bush's fault and they act like the history of this country started the day that man took office. They blame him for terrorism because we invaded Iraq. They conveniently forget all the terrorist attacks in the 90's under Clinton. Not to get off the subject with that but its all connected with the liberals going crazy. Whoever is nominated for the FCC will probably not even get asked about BPL or amateur radio during the senate hearings. I am sure the ARRL will try and stick its nose in there by lobbying senators to ask those tough questions.
I enjoy this hobby very much but I am also realistic. I know that the FCC really isn't concerned all that much with amateur radio. Yes, some of you might gasp at me saying that but its true. What can we do about it? What we can do is quit bickering over such nonsensical things as the Morse Code test and start tyring to get new blood into the hobby.
Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Nov. 26 2005,08:46)]Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 26 2005,07:30)]Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Nov. 24 2005,16:08)]Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 24 2005,07:34)]Indeed, during Ms Abernathy's tenure, lost stature; lost frequencies by sharing with part 15; and actually shrunk.
I don't think Ms. Abernathy has shrunk or lost stature; do you mean she lost some weight?
What frequencies did we lose and why? I am not aware of ANY frequencies that we lost in that time period.
73,
Chip N1IR
Shrunk=Less Amateurs in the service. But thanks Paul.
That is incorrect.
There are more amateurs now than in early 2001. The decline started in about 2003/2004.
73,
Chip N1IR
Guess it took her awhile to learn the ropes... lol! Actually, professor, you're wrong. Since April 2000 we've lost 17,000 amateurs. Do the math from early 2001 and the number is 23,000. Shrunk=Less Amateurs at the end of Abernathy's watch.
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 26 2005,18:12)]Since April 2000 we've lost 17,000 amateurs. Do the math from early 2001 and the number is 23,000. #Shrunk=Less Amateurs at the end of Abernathy's watch.
Thanks for the correction Charlie. We are both correct. It would be more accurate to say that the number of hams peaked during Ms. Abernathy's short tenure.
Since that peak less than 2 years ago, the rate of losses has been higher than that previous increase.
Ham radio is on the decline, because it must compete against wireless ubiquity.
If, what you are saying is that Ms. Abernathy has been unfriendly to ham radio BECAUSE she favored wireless ubiquity, then I strongly disagree.
Anything that gives the people the means to communicate in this wireless age has to be seriously considered.
I think that ham radio is at a crossroads, and has been an unsuccessful surrogate in the licensed-unlicensed debate. The fact that, through attrition, we are getting an even smaller voice, and the overall view of hams is that they are part of a special interest group that uses propaganda tactics, is hardly the fault of Ms. Abernathy. Unless you can show otherwise.
Or, as some of the goofier comments state, perhaps this is all the president's fault?
The louder and more irrationally we complain, the less impact we have.
73,
Chip N1IR
Quote[/b] ]Chip: Thanks for the correction Charlie. We are both correct. It would be more accurate to say that the number of hams peaked during Ms. Abernathy's short tenure.
Since that peak less than 2 years ago, the rate of losses has been higher than that previous increase.
Ham radio is on the decline, because it must compete against wireless ubiquity.
Agree with all of the above with minor caveats. Ms. Abernathy is only one factor in the decline of Amateur Radio. Another reason is competition against wireless access. But the main reason is that as Amateurs, we can't really agree on much.
Do we want to be a modern wireless service? Do we want to be a traditional radio service? Do we want to be an ECOMM service? Ask 100 amateurs and get 100 differing answers. Without an honest view of our strong and weak points, we can't get off of "go" in scuplturing the service. Without compromise and fairness, we won't get that far.
What we're doing now is competing with each other more than those who would destroy Amateur Radio.
n0jaa
11-27-2005, 06:56 PM
Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Nov. 25 2005,18:27)]Quote[/b] (n0jaa @ Nov. 25 2005,14:43)]We lost part of the 1296-MHz band to commercial satellite interests.
Paul, N0JAA.
What did we lose and how did we lose it?
Was it a primary allocation? Date?
Kindly elaborate: I am interested.
73,
Chip N1IR
I don't remember all of the particulars just now, but we lost part of the lower portion of the band to some kind of wireless satellite service. Two years ago, the allocation was changed from primary to secondary, and now it has gone away altogether.
If I can find the skinny on it, I'll post it.
Paul, N0JAA.
KA4DPO
11-28-2005, 02:22 AM
Maybe it's just me but when Powell and Abernathy jumped on the BPL bandwagon with such gusto I became suspicious. Even in the face of overwhelming technical evidence that showed terrific potential for interference to just about everything from 1.7 to 100 MHZ.
They acted as if it was their own product instead of unbiased comissioners. That behavior made me very suspicious about their motives and now that they have both left the FCC so shortly after pushing BPL like cheerleaders I'm even more suspicious. But, maybe it's just me.......
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 27 2005,09:35)]But the main reason is that as Amateurs, we can't really agree on much. #
Do we want to be a modern wireless service? #Do we want to be a traditional radio service? #Do we want to be an ECOMM service? #Ask 100 amateurs and get 100 differing answers. #Without an honest view of our strong and weak points, we can't get off of "go" in scuplturing the service. Without compromise and fairness, we won't get that far.
What we're doing now is competing with each other more than those who would destroy Amateur Radio.
I disagree. What you quote is our strength, not a weakness. There is no reason to agree on ARS being any one of the above because it is, and should remain ALL of the above. One of the reasons I'm still a ham after 30+ years is the very diversity of interests. Things that interested me in 1975 are quite different from those that interest me now.
The problem, in my opinion, is the idea that we must be one. We don't. We always have been, and should remain, all of the above.
I've known hams who never spoke into a microphone, touched a key or tapped a keyboard. They only did RC of planes. They are just as much a ham as you and me.
Don't unnecessarily limit the ARS. We're big enough to be different things to different people.
Quote[/b] (K4JF @ Nov. 28 2005,08:24)]Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 27 2005,09:35)]But the main reason is that as Amateurs, we can't really agree on much.
Do we want to be a modern wireless service? Do we want to be a traditional radio service? Do we want to be an ECOMM service? Ask 100 amateurs and get 100 differing answers. Without an honest view of our strong and weak points, we can't get off of "go" in scuplturing the service. Without compromise and fairness, we won't get that far.
What we're doing now is competing with each other more than those who would destroy Amateur Radio.
I disagree. What you quote is our strength, not a weakness. There is no reason to agree on ARS being any one of the above because it is, and should remain ALL of the above. One of the reasons I'm still a ham after 30+ years is the very diversity of interests. Things that interested me in 1975 are quite different from those that interest me now.
The problem, in my opinion, is the idea that we must be one. We don't. We always have been, and should remain, all of the above.
I've known hams who never spoke into a microphone, touched a key or tapped a keyboard. They only did RC of planes. They are just as much a ham as you and me.
Don't unnecessarily limit the ARS. We're big enough to be different things to different people.
Nothing in the quote suggests I put limits on what we can do. What we can't do is decide what we want to do. I personally favor trying to do it all in a fair manner based on total band size, mode use, and making sure if the peg is square the hole is square too.
Your prejudice was off the mark.
w4fwl
11-30-2005, 02:40 AM
Bye-bye, Michael Powell ... bye-bye Kathleen Abernathy ... and, soon, bye-bye sonny-boy Bush!
('ever notice the surprised, kid-caught-with-her-hand-in the-cookie-jar look on the face of Kathleen Aberanty in her official FCC picture?)
Ivan Cook, K4SRB
Tallahassee, Florida
Ever notice how we come off as CB'ers, and when we make silly comments like this, our credibility evaporates?
Ever notice how some place their so-called rights to make fools of the service above the service itself?
w4fwl
11-30-2005, 02:34 PM
10-4 ... back door http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
ab8rx
11-30-2005, 06:30 PM
Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Nov. 23 2005,17:33)]This nonsense about Ms. Abernathy's position on BPL having even a SMIDGEON of negative impact on the ARS is unfounded propaganda.
73,
Chip N1IR
I'm wondering how he can feel that having our bands and/or frequencies degraded to something close to unusable by BPL in some trials/trial areas can't be considered a negative impact.....Anybody know? #Chip? #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
Quote[/b] (ab8rx @ Nov. 30 2005,11:30)]Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Nov. 23 2005,17:33)]This nonsense about Ms. Abernathy's position on BPL having even a SMIDGEON of negative impact on the ARS is unfounded propaganda.
73,
Chip N1IR
I'm wondering how he can feel that having our bands and/or frequencies degraded to something close to unusable by BPL in some trials/trial areas can't be considered a negative impact.....Anybody know? #Chip? #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
How I FEEL?
Well, I FEEL just fine!
And I think the so-called BPL 'problem' is vastly overblown; it is hardly in-line with other very real interference sources--such as electric fences; plasma TV's; washing machine motors; touch lamps; laptop computers; and so on and so on.
The number of fixed station 'hams' who have experienced harmful interference from BPL is so small as to be irrelevant--in the CONTEXT of a more universal threat, which you appear to contend is the case.
Mmmmm...feels GOOD to feel GOOD!!
n9lya
12-02-2005, 07:48 PM
Quote[/b] (w1it @ Nov. 23 2005,05:56)]As long as Bush and the GOP remain in power, including both Houses of Congress, expect only a clone appointment. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
I hope not... Was not all that good looking... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Nov. 30 2005,17:16)]The number of fixed station 'hams' who have experienced harmful interference from BPL is so small as to be irrelevant--in the CONTEXT of a more universal threat, which you appear to contend is the case.
Take "fixed station" out of the discussion. There is absolutely no reason to exclude mobile operation, which is licensed to exactly the same extent as fixed station. As well as the FACT that there may be, due to antenna restrictions, more mobile stations than fixed.
Interference is interference, whether to mobile or fixed. Period.
Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Nov. 30 2005,08:14)]Ever notice how we come off as CB'ers, and when we make silly comments like this, our credibility evaporates?
Ever notice how some place their so-called rights to make fools of the service above the service itself?
Ever notice how our credibility is eroded when someone makes a condescending remark as to how some of us have no right to make a statement?
Good riddance to a pile of elephant dung.
Bob
N4HY
Quote[/b] (k4srb @ Nov. 28 2005,22:40)]Bye-bye, Michael Powell ... bye-bye Kathleen Abernathy ... and, soon, bye-bye sonny-boy Bush!
('ever notice the surprised, kid-caught-with-her-hand-in the-cookie-jar look on the face of Kathleen Aberanty in her official FCC picture?)
Ivan Cook, K4SRB
Tallahassee, Florida
Greetings, Ivan.
We can certainly hope that the chimp (and his handlers) #will depart as well.
Politicians will be politicians, I suppose. #The interesting chap of late is our Haliburton cheerleader. #He's in a fire-fight with the CIA, and he won't win that one. #They drop tidbits, then he drops tidbits. #His, though, seem to find their way right back to him. #Two bits says we'll soon see something that ties him directly to the creation of the CiA's 'black prisons' that have Europe all riled up.
I'd be willing to wager that after the November mid-term elections, (and the majorities change) he'll decide that his health will require him to retire to his 'deferred' compensation (B4 Impeachment proceedings begin).
Lee
W6EM
Quote[/b] (K4JF @ Dec. 02 2005,09:56)]Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Nov. 30 2005,17:16)]The number of fixed station 'hams' who have experienced harmful interference from BPL is so small as to be irrelevant--in the CONTEXT of a more universal threat, which you appear to contend is the case.
Take "fixed station" out of the discussion. #There is absolutely no reason to exclude mobile operation, which is licensed to exactly the same extent as fixed station. #As well as the FACT that there may be, due to antenna restrictions, more mobile stations than fixed.
Interference is interference, whether to mobile or fixed. #Period.
The subject of HF interference to mobiles takes on an even greater importance to amateur radio as time passes. #If our government envisions our service of value during large crises such as what we experienced during Katrina, communication into and out of such areas will probably depend upon mobiles outside of the area to some degree.
Why? #As antenna restrictions continue to limit and discourage fixed station operation, a larger percentage of us will operate only from mobiles. #And, if distant areas, remote from a future disaster widely employ HF Access BPL on high voltage lines, satisfactory mobile HF communication may be difficult, if not impossible to achieve.
Our friend Chip is focused on tolerance of BPL. #Plain and simple. #I've speculated, as others have, as to why. #The reason matters not.
Oh, sure, he might say "go way out in the country and find a spot with no overhead lines." #Well, that may not be possible or practical in places like Manassass, VA. #Or, take so much time to find one that lives may be lost in the process.
Lee
W6EM
Quote[/b] (w6em @ Dec. 04 2005,08:11)]Quote[/b] (K4JF @ Dec. 02 2005,09:56)]Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Nov. 30 2005,17:16)]The number of fixed station 'hams' who have experienced harmful interference from BPL is so small as to be irrelevant--in the CONTEXT of a more universal threat, which you appear to contend is the case.
Take "fixed station" out of the discussion. #There is absolutely no reason to exclude mobile operation, which is licensed to exactly the same extent as fixed station. #As well as the FACT that there may be, due to antenna restrictions, more mobile stations than fixed.
Interference is interference, whether to mobile or fixed. #Period.
The subject of HF interference to mobiles takes on an even greater importance to amateur radio as time passes. #If our government envisions our service of value during large crises such as what we experienced during Katrina, communication into and out of such areas will probably depend upon mobiles outside of the area to some degree.
Why? #As antenna restrictions continue to limit and discourage fixed station operation, a larger percentage of us will operate only from mobiles. #And, if distant areas, remote from a future disaster widely employ HF Access BPL on high voltage lines, satisfactory mobile HF communication may be difficult, if not impossible to achieve.
Our friend Chip is focused on tolerance of BPL. #Plain and simple. #I've speculated, as others have, as to why. #The reason matters not.
Oh, sure, he might say "go way out in the country and find a spot with no overhead lines." #Well, that may not be possible or practical in places like Manassass, VA. #Or, take so much time to find one that lives may be lost in the process.
Lee
W6EM
Lee's opinion is valid and reasonable, although I respectfully disagree.
However, I value his diverse opinions (from mine) and certainly use them in honing my own.
73,
Chip N1IR
Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Dec. 03 2005,07:53)]Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Nov. 30 2005,08:14)]Ever notice how we come off as CB'ers, and when we make silly comments like this, our credibility evaporates?
Ever notice how some place their so-called rights to make fools of the service above the service itself?
Ever notice how our credibility is eroded when someone makes a condescending remark as to how some of us have no right to make a statement?
Hams have every right to be foolish, and the rest of the population has every right to point out that porcine is redolent of rot and other things one naturally keeps away from.
Of course, not ALL hams are anti-FCC, nor part of a special interest group.
73,
Chip N1IR
Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Nov. 30 2005,07:53)]Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Dec. 03 2005,13:47)]Ever notice how our credibility is eroded when someone makes a condescending remark as to how some of us have no right to make a statement?
Hams have every right to be foolish, and the rest of the population has every right to point out that porcine is redolent of rot and other things one naturally keeps away from.
Of course, not ALL hams are anti-FCC, nor part of a special interest group.
73,
Chip N1IR
Of course we do (have a right to be foolish) at least on forums like this, if we choose. #Diversity of opinion is certainly an admirable quality of mankind. #Comes with the ability to reason and think, me thinks. #What a boring place our world would be if we were all clones.
There are very few of us who would be characterized as "anti-FCC," quite frankly. #Those who may be or have already been prosecuted for alleged or proven infractions may be of that cloth, but I suspect few others are. #That is, when one takes "FCC" to include not just the Commissioners themselves, but the entire organization.
The Commissioners themselves, being political appointees, occasionally make what some would consider controversial statements. #That's to be expected. #But, I don't believe I've heard anyone besides a few in the aforementioned category ever condemn the FCC as a whole, publicly.
Perhaps it really is about or for money, do you think? Speaking of green, it would be cool if Wayne Green were still writing. #He'd have more than a few things to say. #Sadly, today's Amateur Radio Media is hardly more than a reflector for the ARRL. We could use some fresh perspectives.
Lee
W6EM
KC0LUL
12-06-2005, 05:46 PM
Quote[/b] (nf0a @ Nov. 23 2005,10:38)]Quote[/b] (n0jaa @ Nov. 18 2005,12:32)]Commissioner Abernathy announced she is leaving the FCC. #She was one of the most vocal proponents for BPL. #We can only hope her replacement will be more open to Amateur Radio Issues.
Paul, N0JAA.
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE # # # # # #NEWS MEDIA CONTACT
November 17, 2005 # # # # # #Lauren “Pete” Belvin 202-418-2400
STATEMENT OF COMMISSIONER KATHLEEN Q. ABERNATHY
ANNOUNCING HER DEPARTURE FROM THE FCC
Yesterday I sent a letter to President Bush thanking him for the profound privilege and honor of serving on the Federal Communications Commission and informing him of my intention to leave the Commission on December 9, 2005.
During my 4 ½-year tenure the Commission has achieved a great deal. #First and foremost, our decisions increasingly reflect the wisdom of relying on competition, rather than regulation, as the best means of assuring that consumers get the telecommunications
services they want at affordable rates. #
Our largely market-driven approach to advanced services has helped create a vibrant market for new wired and wireless telecommunications products, and our spectrum reform initiatives have improved our ability to put this scarce resource to its most effective use. #And I am particularly pleased that as Chair of the ITU’s 2004 Global Symposium for Regulators I was able to share our competition-based philosophy with regulators from other countries. #
Implicit in the Commission’s competition-oriented approach to telecommunications regulation is a recognition of the fact that competition is a journey. #It is a journey in which there are winners and losers, change and upheaval, and no clear destination where all things are settled and all competitors are satisfied. #Our effort to create greater regulatory symmetry between cable and telephone company providers of advanced high-speed broadband networks is but one example of that process.
The Commission’s decisions have also embodied the understanding that competitive markets depend on empowered consumers. #Where consumers have choices, and the ability to make them, pervasive regulation is unnecessary. #In line with this realization, we targeted regulation to those comparatively few situations in which marketplace competition and informed consumer choice do not increase consumer welfare. #For that reason, we have taken steps to make sure that emergency communications work reliably for us and for those who protect us, and we have provided parents with the information and tools needed to control their childrens’ multichannel TV viewing choices.
All of our successes, and even our failures, demonstrate one fundamental truth: #that regulation is most effective when it deals with markets as they are #-- #not as they might once have been, and not as we would ideally like them to be. To the extent the Commission’s decisions on difficult issues in the days to come are based on this principle, it will continue to advance the security and well-being of our country and our people.
It has been my privilege to work during my term with five gifted public servants, Chairman Kevin Martin, Chairman Michael Powell, Commissioner Michael Copps, Commissioner Jonathan Adelstein, and Commissioner Gloria Tristani. #I greatly appreciate their dedication and their friendship. #I also want to thank all of those who served on my personal staff throughout my term for their commitment, their intellectual curiosity, and their loyalty.
Above all, I am grateful beyond measure to the bedrock of this agency, the Commission’s career staff. #In my judgment, they rank second to none in their professionalism, expertise, and hard work. I will always remember the pleasure of working with them in a number of different capacities over the course of the last two decades, and I will never forget how essential they are to all the Commission’s achievements.
- FCC -
Good riddance.... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
I agree with nf0a
RIGHT ON BROTHER!!!!!
M0DSZ
12-08-2005, 08:33 AM
Reading between the lines of this slightly verbose script, it looks as though your "worthy" Commissioner was quite happy to let commercial pressures "steam-roller" and flatten any minority interests thst stood in the way.
Quote[/b] (M0DSZ @ Dec. 08 2005,01:33)]Reading between the lines of this slightly verbose script, it looks as though your "worthy" Commissioner was quite happy to let commercial pressures "steam-roller" and flatten any minority interests thst stood in the way.
This is silly.
And frankly, IMO, your BRITISH opinion on the matter doesn't add to the discussion.
Minority interests...this is utter crapola.
How do you come up with this stuff??
w4fwl
12-08-2005, 02:28 PM
Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Dec. 04 2005,10:47)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Dec. 03 2005,07:53)]Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Nov. 30 2005,08:14)]Ever notice how we come off as CB'ers, and when we make silly comments like this, our credibility evaporates?
Ever notice how some place their so-called rights to make fools of the service above the service itself?
Ever notice how our credibility is eroded when someone makes a condescending remark as to how some of us have no right to make a statement?
Hams have every right to be foolish, and the rest of the population has every right to point out that porcine is redolent of rot and other things one naturally keeps away from.
Of course, not ALL hams are anti-FCC, nor part of a special interest group.
73,
Chip N1IR
"... Ah, you wanna give me a 10-9 on that, pig pen? negatory, pig pen; you’re still too close. yeah, them hogs is startin’ to close up my sinuses. mercy sakes, you better back off another ten." (C.W. McCall)
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Frankly, I fail to see why N0JAA has described Ms Abernathy as one of BPL's 'most vocal proponents'.
What is the basis for this assertion?
I bet it is a mere reference to a single talk that shows up on the ARRL web site...
W9GRN
12-10-2005, 04:46 PM
Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Nov. 23 2005,14:46)]Abernathy did a great job! I hope we see a new commissioner with as much sensitivity for the the amateur radio service.
73,
Chip N1IR
I agree with Chip.She will be missed. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
Quote[/b] (W9GRN @ Dec. 09 2005,12:46)]Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Nov. 23 2005,14:46)]Abernathy did a great job! I hope we see a new commissioner with as much sensitivity for the the amateur radio service.
73,
Chip N1IR
I agree with Chip.She will be missed. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
Oh, boo-hoo-hoo. She cleaned out her desk yesterday...... She lost that Honorable prefix, and will now have to settle for that old Esquire suffix once again.
Now, we will see how long it takes for Dubyah to nominate that NTIA fellow Gallagher. (Who also loves BPL!!!)
Lee
n5api
12-14-2005, 02:48 AM
Quote[/b] (kc8nmw @ Nov. 24 2005,12:27)]The liberals and democrats will complain about whomever Bush nominates. Look at the complaints over the Supreme Court nominees. The bottom line is that when you democrats win elections and control the congress then they can pick the nominees, until then SHUT UP!! President Bush was democratically reelected and won by a margin of over 4 million votes, (oh wait I forgot, the election was "stolen" in 2000 and last year there was fraud here in my state of ohio). I am tired of making everything political but people in comments above have done just that. It was ok for Bill Clinton to put all his liberals in these postions but now that its Bush and he is an evil Republican it must be stopped. I hope Bush nominates the most conservative person to fill the spot of Abernathy. I want to see the democrats and liberals have another meltdown.
But even some Republicans admit that Harriet Myers was a dumb nomination. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Sorry, couldn't resist! I'll go crawl back under my rock. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
W9GRN
12-14-2005, 04:37 PM
Quote[/b] (w6em @ Dec. 10 2005,15:46)]Quote[/b] (W9GRN @ Dec. 09 2005,12:46)]Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Nov. 23 2005,14:46)]Abernathy did a great job! I hope we see a new commissioner with as much sensitivity for the the amateur radio service.
73,
Chip N1IR
I agree with Chip.She will be missed. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
Oh, boo-hoo-hoo. #She cleaned out her desk yesterday...... #She lost that Honorable prefix, and will now have to settle for that old Esquire suffix once again.
Now, we will see how long it takes for Dubyah to nominate that NTIA fellow Gallagher. #(Who also loves BPL!!!)
Lee
It's pretty sad when the only one that makes sense in these threads is Chip.That's why I value his opinions so much. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
n0jaa
12-14-2005, 10:32 PM
Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Dec. 10 2005,10:52)]Frankly, I fail to see why N0JAA has described Ms Abernathy as one of BPL's 'most vocal proponents'.
What is the basis for this assertion?
I bet it is a mere reference to a single talk that shows up on the ARRL web site...
Because in all of her speeches on the subject, which, by the way I got directly from the FCC, not ARRL, she was intent on promoting and pushing the BPL technology regardless of who or what stood in its way. #She apparently wasn't concerned with the vast interference implications of the technology.
A quote from Abernathy's speech to the United Powerline Council, September 22, 2003:
"As a regulator, I am keenly interested in BPL technology for a number of reasons. One of my central objectives as an FCC commissioner is to facilitate the deployment of broadband services to all Americans. I also fundamentally believe that the FCC can best promote consumer welfare by relying on market forces, rather than heavy-handed regulation. The development of BPL networks will serve both of these key goals. It will not only bring broadband to previously unserved communities, but the introduction of a new broadband pipeline into the home will foster the kind of competitive marketplace that will eventually enable the Commission to let go of the regulatory reins. I want consumers to have a choice of multiple, facilities-based providers, including not only cable and DSL, but also powerline, wireless, and satellite services. Such a robustly competitive and diversified marketplace is something I would call broadband Nirvana. We will not get there overnight, but the continuing development of BPL technology is a major step forward."
Paul, N0JAA.
Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Dec. 04 2005,12:47)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Dec. 03 2005,07:53)]Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Nov. 30 2005,08:14)]Ever notice how we come off as CB'ers, and when we make silly comments like this, our credibility evaporates?
Ever notice how some place their so-called rights to make fools of the service above the service itself?
Ever notice how our credibility is eroded when someone makes a condescending remark as to how some of us have no right to make a statement?
Hams have every right to be foolish, and the rest of the population has every right to point out that porcine is redolent of rot and other things one naturally keeps away from.
Of course, not ALL hams are anti-FCC, nor part of a special interest group.
73,
Chip N1IR
I would like you to prove that I'm anti-FCC or part of a special interest group. I do not see what I've said that could be construed as being either.
73
John N2NH
Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Dec. 14 2005,22:36)]Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Dec. 04 2005,12:47)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Dec. 03 2005,07:53)]Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Nov. 30 2005,08:14)]Ever notice how we come off as CB'ers, and when we make silly comments like this, our credibility evaporates?
Ever notice how some place their so-called rights to make fools of the service above the service itself?
Ever notice how our credibility is eroded when someone makes a condescending remark as to how some of us have no right to make a statement?
Hams have every right to be foolish, and the rest of the population has every right to point out that porcine is redolent of rot and other things one naturally keeps away from.
Of course, not ALL hams are anti-FCC, nor part of a special interest group.
73,
Chip N1IR
I would like you to prove that I'm anti-FCC or part of a special interest group. #I do not see what I've said that could be construed as being either.
73
John N2NH
Non sequitar.
READ what I said.
Quote[/b] (n0jaa @ Dec. 14 2005,15:32)]Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Dec. 10 2005,10:52)]Frankly, I fail to see why N0JAA has described Ms Abernathy as one of BPL's 'most vocal proponents'.
What is the basis for this assertion?
I bet it is a mere reference to a single talk that shows up on the ARRL web site...
Because in all of her speeches on the subject, which, by the way I got directly from the FCC, not ARRL, she was intent on promoting and pushing the BPL technology regardless of who or what stood in its way. #She apparently wasn't concerned with the vast interference implications of the technology.
A quote from Abernathy's speech to the United Powerline Council, September 22, 2003:
"As a regulator, I am keenly interested in BPL technology for a number of reasons. One of my central objectives as an FCC commissioner is to facilitate the deployment of broadband services to all Americans. I also fundamentally believe that the FCC can best promote consumer welfare by relying on market forces, rather than heavy-handed regulation. The development of BPL networks will serve both of these key goals. It will not only bring broadband to previously unserved communities, but the introduction of a new broadband pipeline into the home will foster the kind of competitive marketplace that will eventually enable the Commission to let go of the regulatory reins. I want consumers to have a choice of multiple, facilities-based providers, including not only cable and DSL, but also powerline, wireless, and satellite services. Such a robustly competitive and diversified marketplace is something I would call broadband Nirvana. We will not get there overnight, but the continuing development of BPL technology is a major step forward."
Paul, N0JAA.
...and thus you quote from a single talk. This exactly bolsters my point.
Your value judgement on being a most 'vocal proponent' is not shared, apparently.
Most vocal compared to what?? The ARRL?
n0jaa
12-15-2005, 06:02 PM
Quote[/b] (n1ir @ Dec. 15 2005,07:11)]...and #thus you quote from a single talk. This exactly bolsters my point.
Your value judgement on being a #most 'vocal proponent' is not shared, apparently.
Most vocal compared to what?? The ARRL?
Another blind man. #Even after presented with the evidence, you fail to see the point. #
YOU mentioned ARRL, not I. #If you wrongly think my comment has anything to do with ARRL, well then, that is your prerogative. #I do not share it.
Paul, N0JAA.
(edited for spelling)
N4CND
01-26-2006, 08:31 AM
I hope that the replacement goes after illeagal pirate CB radio stations that cause interferance on 10 meters as well as other places.
smilie I hope the replacement nals Goober.javascript:emoticon('http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif')
smilie I hope the replacement goes after these so called technicains that modify CB radios to operate out of band illeagally.javascript:emoticon('http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif')
smilie I hope the replacement goes after these people like DAVE Made as well as others who produce illeagal amplifiers and those who sell those amps to non licensed pirate radio operators. I hope the replacement cans BLP.javascript:emoticon('http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif')
smilie I hope the replacement frees up more money so Riley can do his Job with out worring about the the powers to be saying NO!javascript:emoticon('http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif')
smilie
I hate ignorant CB radio pirates! Can't you tell
73 DAWG N4CND