BUSH IS BACK

[KE7DFP]

Is anyone catching Bush's Veteran's Day speech? It's nothing short of......well....inspiring. #I've often felt that Bush was pursuing a strategy of: "just don't even answer the ridiculuos assertions of the anti-crowd. # #Eventually it will go away and America's too smart to buy into their refrains. #Well, he's finally woken up and realized many Americas aren't smart enough to not buy into it. So he's thrown away the self reserve and started fighting back. "It is irresponsible of the critics of the war to rewrite history" #he's not going to tolerate all this B.S. anymore. In short, he;'s calling Bull on all the Democrat critics. One big difference, he can back up what he's saying.# The same refrains have been said over and over for so long, no one remembers what was really happening when we went to war. #It's a new Bush, you watch. #His poll numbers will go up from this speech alone, AND IF HE STAYS ON THIS TRACK, we'll be kickin' ass and taking names. #Radical Islam, you can run but you can't hide. Anti- war crowd, Bull, prove it; #you ought to be ashamed of yourselves. Your lying and America isn't going to take this anymore. #He came accross forceful, sincere, and as the powerful world leader that he is.

[KI4LZK]

I have to agree with you. I just watched the last half of the speech, but It was an excellent speach. I agree that it is past time for him to take on his critics and also lead us into where we need to be with Iraq.

[K3XR]

Not a bad speech, but he should have come out much stonger when it comes to the anti-Bush, anti-war, blame America first, rewrite history, crowd.

[W0MT]

Have you ever noticed that Bush almost always only gives speeches in front of military groups? And of course, anyone in the military can be punished for criticizing the commander-in-chief. Even booing is punishable.

And when he does speak at gatherings of the general public, the attendees are screened to be sure no one with a brain can attend to ask embarrassing questions.

[W3MIV]

Quote[/b] (K3XR @ Nov. 11 2005,13:04)]Not a bad speech, but he should have come out much stonger when it comes to the anti-Bush, anti-war, blame America first, rewrite history, crowd.
The longest journey begins with the first, small step.

Give him a chance, maybe he will awaken to the fact that he must refresh his links with us conservatives. I have been disappointed, but I still support him strongly.

We need to start looking seriously at 2008. George Allen?

[n2nh]

I'm glad to see Bush honoring veterans. Funny how Clinton got criticized for doing the same thing. Now why were they criticizing Clinton? Oh, yes, he was a draft dodger wasn't he?

[KG4CGC]

Psycophants!

[w5lda]

Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Nov. 11 2005,06:42)]I'm glad to see Bush honoring veterans. #Funny how Clinton got criticized for doing the same thing. #Now why were they criticizing Clinton? #Oh, yes, he was a draft dodger wasn't he?
As Bush was AWOL

[KE7DFP]

Quote[/b] (W0MT @ Nov. 11 2005,11:12)]Have you ever noticed that Bush almost always only gives speeches in front of military groups? And of course, anyone in the military can be punished for criticizing the commander-in-chief. Even booing is punishable.

And when he does speak at gatherings of the general public, the attendees are screened to be sure no one with a brain can attend to ask embarrassing questions.
It's Veterans Day, you always give a speech on Veterans Day. #What sort of sorry excuse for a President wouldn't speak to our veterans #on this Day. If#he doesn't give a speech, and do you think the anti crowd isn't going to whine about thaT. There critics have nothing to do with right or wrong. ANYTHING will do. #I think we all know by now that the antis will criticize everything, and should just be ignored from here on out. #There's too much at stake and Americans shouldn't #be playing their petty little whinner games, at a time like this. Until you've got proof, quit trying to hurt the country-- and our soldiers. #Oh, and by the way, we ARE winning in Iraq, most definitely.

[KI4LZK]

I have to agree very seldom do you see Mr. Bush give a speech where there are not Military behind him. Maybe its because he supports them so much, and realizes their sacrafice in the name of our country.

I also have to agree that a step in the right direction is a welcome thing.

I used to be Anti-Clinton, but in recent years I have to say I am pretty impressed with the guy. Looks to me like he wants to switch sides of isle.

I also am Pro-Bush. While I don't agree with everything he has done, and never will, I consider him to be a good president. I think that Bush and Clinton (names by appearance in the alphabet) will BOTH be remembered as two of our best presidents.

Clinton will be remembered as improving our economy and creating a prosperous time in american history, while Bush will be remembered as standing up for our country after the horrid events of September 11, 2001.

Now for my question, wouldn't that have been a great ticket hihi. Bush/Clinton 08 (I know I know, nothing short of an act of congress could allow that to happen)

73 and God Bless our Men and Women in Uniform.

Josh KI4LZK

[KE7DFP]

Quote[/b] (KG4CGC @ Nov. 11 2005,11:55)]Psycophants!
You mean Sycophant,don't you? A slobering, blithering, self effacing, groveling, worshipper? A toady? Well, that only works on the uneducated. If one can SPELL sycophant, he probally got a modicum of education somewhere. I'm mean I know the rural folks are all dumb ignoramuses, that need to be kept under the wise aegis of New Yorkers, LAers and the Fisco crowd. (OK, I'll throw in Seattle and Denver, I guess that about covers the Democratic Part). Well, just to be a good sport, I left myself wide open for a rebutal. 73s KE7DFP

[KE7DFP]

Quote[/b] (ki4lzk @ Nov. 11 2005,12:56)]Now for my question, wouldn't that have been a great ticket hihi. Bush/Clinton 08 (I know I know, nothing short of an act of congress could allow that to happen)

73 and God Bless our Men and Women in Uniform.

Josh KI4LZK
No, but a Jeb, Hillary would be OK. Just might work as long as Jeb shows her who wears the pants. (Hint Liberals, it would be Jeb wearing the pants).

[KI4LZK]

Yeah, that would be interesting. It will not happen in 08 though, not a chance in New York ;)

[AC0H]

Quote[/b] ]Funny how Clinton got criticized for doing the same thing. #Now why were they criticizing Clinton?
Might have something to do with his open hostility towards the armed services, through spoken word and actions, and his #eviscerating of the defense budget. Now why would anybody in uniform be upset about that?

[K9STH]

If you are talking about Bush 43 and Clinton 42 it would take more than an act of Congress. It would take an ammendment to the Constitution of the United States of America. Since Truman was the President who was in office when the present ammendment limiting a President to two terms he was the last President who could have been elected more than two times (the ammendment did not apply to the President who was in office at the time the ammendment was adopted).

In 1948 there was some likelyhood that Truman would not seek election to the Presidency (he was elected Vice-President and became President when Franklin D. Roosevelt died in 1945). When some of the Republican policy makers were discussing with a number of Democrat policy makers who the Democrats would run in 1948 if Truman didn't run, one of the Democrats said, "if Truman doesn't run then we will have to dig up someone". Several of the Republicans gasped "oh, no, not 'him' again".

Glen, K9STH

[KI4LZK]

Glen, that is what I ment to say... I should have clearer I guess hihi. I think it would be interesting to see the combination. I know we never will but honestly I think it would have been a great combination. I think if politicians would look at who is best for the job instead of who is there buddy, this country would be much better off.

There has been talk of the Vice President Stepping down. Who do you all think will be put in his place?

[KG4CGC]

Quote[/b] (KE7DFP @ Nov. 11 2005,15:06)]Quote[/b] (KG4CGC @ Nov. 11 2005,11:55)]Psycophants!
You mean Sycophant,don't you? #A slobering, blithering, self effacing, groveling, worshipper? #A toady? #Well, that only works on the #uneducated. #If one can SPELL sycophant, he probally got a modicum of education somewhere. #I'm mean I know the rural folks are all dumb ignoramuses, that need to be kept under the wise aegis of New Yorkers, LAers and the Fisco crowd. #(OK, I'll throw in Seattle and Denver, I guess that about covers the Democratic Part). #Well, just to be a good sport, I left myself wide open for a rebutal. # #73s # # KE7DFP
Bush and his ilk are the sycophants.
His blind worshipers are the psycophants.

[w5klb]

Quote[/b] (ki4lzk @ Nov. 11 2005,14:23)]There has been talk of the Vice President Stepping down. Who do you all think will be put in his place?
Cheney? Nope. I don't see that happening anytime soon unless it's for health problems. Cheney has had a heart attact in the past.

Where did you get that information, or is this just "wishful" thinking on your part?

[k6bbc]

Bush is selling but only 38% are buying.

[KI4LZK]

Its not wishfull thinking on my part, I think Cheney is a good guy and like him. I heard it on CNN. Might be wishful thinking on their part. The said there is a rift between Bush and Cheney.

Thay have been wrong in the past, they will be wrong in the future, Is this just another instance? Who knows

-Josh

[KE7DFP]

Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ Nov. 11 2005,15:32)]Bush is selling but only 38% are buying.
The market is about to start an upswing. Get some of that Bush stock if you can, it's definitely at a buy position and about to go through the roof!!!!

[gw4rcm]

Jeeez louise.

How many here,still think that Bush baby, writes his own speeches.?

Can you really, truely, see him sitting in his Office, wrestling with ideas, for an audience with the military, or any other body of people.

These days Presidents, and Prime ministers, are surrounded by Spin Doctors, who churn out the Garbage that we plebs are expected to believe.
Bush, Blair and all the other modern day politician are mere mouthpieces for the party machine.

RCM

[k6bbc]

Quote[/b] (KE7DFP @ Nov. 11 2005,15:43)]Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ Nov. 11 2005,15:32)]Bush is selling but only 38% are buying.
The market is about to start an upswing. #Get some of that Bush stock if you can, it's definitely at a buy position and about to go through the roof!!!!
I think I'll short it.

[KE7DFP]

Quote[/b] (KG4CGC @ Nov. 11 2005,15:28)]Bush and his ilk are the sycophants.
His blind worshipers are the psycophants.
I wouldn't worry about it too much, you might loose all your hair from SYCOSIS. Yes, that's correct, SYCOSIS. If you become a blind follower of the Liberal Left, you will be suffering from a deep and permeating PSCHYCOSIS.

[WB2WIK]

Like one feminist organization used to say,

"You can't beat our Bush!"

It's almost 2008, isn't it?

[KE7DFP]

Quote[/b] (gw4rcm @ Nov. 11 2005,15:50)]Jeeez louise.

How many here,still think that Bush baby, writes his own speeches.?

Can you really, truely, see him sitting in his Office, wrestling with ideas, for an audience with the military, or any other body of people.

These days Presidents, and Prime ministers, are surrounded by Spin Doctors, who churn out the Garbage that we plebs are expected to believe.
Bush, Blair and all the other modern day politician are mere mouthpieces for the party machine.

RCM
THANKS FOR THE EDUCATION, I HAD NO IDEA ANYTHING LIKE THAT WENT ON IN POLITICS. So what's your point? What he said isn't true because politicians have help with their speeches?

[al2i]

I am still mad that Clay got an honorary PhD in English.

[k6bbc]

Quote[/b] (ki4lzk @ Nov. 11 2005,15:33)]Its not wishfull thinking on my part, I think Cheney is a good guy and like him.
Are you speaking of the DOCTOR EVIL guys who pulls Bush's strings. That guy with the gay daughter he kept off the stage at the republican convention?

UCK!

[k6bbc]

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Nov. 11 2005,16:09)]I am still mad that Clay got an honorary PhD in English.
Are you talking about Clay Shaw?

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ Nov. 11 2005,16:12)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ Nov. 11 2005,16:09)]I am still mad that Clay got an honorary PhD in English.
Are you talking about Clay Shaw?
No, I mean the boxer with the really cool fighting name -- Cassius Marcellus Clay -- who changed to a dork name and took up to making children's poetry.

[KI4LZK]

I agree, Like Ali's original name a lot better.


Its sad we are talking about all this 3 years from the next election isn't it http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif) in fact:
1088 days, 6 hours, 30 minutes, and 25 seconds left until 2008 US Election

I think Gov. Mark Warner of Virginia Would be a good president. He seams to have a good record, and I was impressed with him on CSPAN the other night. Yeah he is a democrat but he is pretty solid as far as I can see.

[KG4CGC]

Quote[/b] (KE7DFP @ Nov. 11 2005,18:00)]I wouldn't worry about it too much, you might loose all your hair from SYCOSIS. Yes, that's correct, SYCOSIS. If you become a blind follower of the Liberal Left, you will be suffering from a deep and permeating #PSCHYCOSIS.
This coming from a conservative that thinks a free trip to the Bunny Ranch for soldiers is A-OK. Good one. Got anymore?

[WB2WIK]

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Nov. 11 2005,16:18)]Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ Nov. 11 2005,16:12)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ Nov. 11 2005,16:09)]I am still mad that Clay got an honorary PhD in English.
Are you talking about Clay Shaw?
No, I mean the boxer with the really cool fighting name -- Cassius Marcellus Clay -- who changed to a dork name and took up to making children's poetry.
Brought a tear to my eye when Lou Alcindor, another cool name, became Kareem Abdul-Jawhatyacallit. Still had his sky-hook, though...

[gw4rcm]

Quote[/b] (KE7DFP @ Nov. 11 2005,16:04)][

THANKS FOR THE EDUCATION, I HAD NO IDEA ANYTHING LIKE THAT WENT ON IN POLITICS. #So what's your point? #What he said isn't true because politicians have help with their speeches?
Stop shouting .
What my point is Randy, is that todays Politicians are just elected mouthpieces, for the party machine.

Their policies and their speeches are ready made, off the peg.
The problem with Bush is that he isn't a good frontman.

Thought I made that clear in my post. What part of it did you not understand?.

RCM

[KE7DFP]

Quote[/b] (gw4rcm @ Nov. 11 2005,16:54)]Quote[/b] (KE7DFP @ Nov. 11 2005,16:04)][

THANKS FOR THE EDUCATION, I HAD NO IDEA ANYTHING LIKE THAT WENT ON IN POLITICS. #So what's your point? #What he said isn't true because politicians have help with their speeches?
Stop shouting .
What my point is Randy, is that todays Politicians are just elected mouthpieces, for the party machine.

Their policies and their speeches are ready made, off the peg.
The problem with Bush is that he isn't a good frontman.

Thought I made that clear in my post. What part of it did you not understand?.

RCM
Wasn't shouting OM, started typing and it was stuck on caps spo I left it for a bit. Right, being front man isn't his fortee' , that's what I like about hiom. He can't finess the people like some slick salesman. But I was pleased this speech he did much better as a apeaker. 73s

[KE7DFP]

Quote[/b] (WB2WIK @ Nov. 11 2005,16:46)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ Nov. 11 2005,16:18)]Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ Nov. 11 2005,16:12)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ Nov. 11 2005,16:09)]I am still mad that Clay got an honorary PhD in English.
Are you talking about Clay Shaw?
No, I mean the boxer with the really cool fighting name -- Cassius Marcellus Clay -- who changed to a dork name and took up to making children's poetry.
Brought a tear to my eye when Lou Alcindor, another cool name, became Kareem Abdul-Jawhatyacallit. #Still had his sky-hook, though...
Had we only known, Islam was beginning to infiltrate and raise it's ugly head

[k9kxq]

Quote[/b] (KE7DFP @ Nov. 11 2005,15:06)]Quote[/b] (KG4CGC @ Nov. 11 2005,11:55)]Psycophants!
You mean Sycophant,don't you? #A slobering, blithering, self effacing, groveling, worshipper? #A toady? #Well, that only works on the #uneducated. #If one can SPELL sycophant, he probally got a modicum of education somewhere. #I'm mean I know the rural folks are all dumb ignoramuses, that need to be kept under the wise aegis of New Yorkers, LAers and the Fisco crowd. #(OK, I'll throw in Seattle and Denver, I guess that about covers the Democratic Part). #Well, just to be a good sport, I left myself wide open for a rebutal. # #73s # # KE7DFP
This could be the reason they voted for Bush, "all dumb ignoramuses".

kxq

[gw4rcm]

Quote[/b] (KE7DFP @ Nov. 11 2005,16:57)]Quote[/b] (gw4rcm @ Nov. 11 2005,16:54)]Quote[/b] (KE7DFP @ Nov. 11 2005,16:04)][

THANKS FOR THE EDUCATION, I HAD NO IDEA ANYTHING LIKE THAT WENT ON IN POLITICS. #So what's your point? #What he said isn't true because politicians have help with their speeches?
Stop shouting .
What my point is Randy, is that todays Politicians are just elected mouthpieces, for the party machine.

Their policies and their speeches are ready made, off the peg.
The problem with Bush is that he isn't a good frontman.

Thought I made that clear in my post. What part of it did you not understand?.

RCM
Wasn't shouting OM, started typing and it was stuck on caps spo I left it for a bit. #Right, being front man isn't his fortee' , that's what I like about hiom. #He can't finess the people like some slick salesman. #But I was pleased this speech he did much better as a apeaker. #73s
So you agree, that he has no policies, and he is a poor mouthpiece., and he sometimes articulates enough to get the across the party line.

Gee you must be so proud of him.
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

RCM

[KG4CGC]

Don't forget the fact that it was preached from every pulpit that Bush was Gods man for the presidency.

[k9kxq]

Quote[/b] (KG4CGC @ Nov. 11 2005,19:30)]Don't forget the fact that it was preached from every pulpit that Bush was Gods man for the presidency.
Sorry Charles, I failed to mention that too...

kxq

[N9XR]

Those who like Clinton are those kinds of freaks who enjoy prosperity. Wake up half wits!!! This is the country heading down the toilet, and if you don't like it, go somewhere else. We are a nation who thrives on mediocrity. We would rather see a tax cut for the ritch than those poor heros we send into combat come back alive. They look funney anyway. And most can't spell well either.

Do we want fast responses to national disasters? No. Do we want experienced leaders who understand foreign relations to keep our citizens safe outside our boarders? No Do we look for a thriving economy? No. Do we want to protect our civil or military forces? Not much. We love and respect 3rd world nations, and can't wait until we become one in a year or two.

A strong speech is all important to Americans. Lip service reigns supreme!!! We don't give a care about actual results. We have low expectations of Bush!!!

Re-elect Bush for Life!!!

[k9kxq]

Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Nov. 11 2005,19:46)]Those who like Clinton are those kinds of freaks who enjoy prosperity. #Wake up half wits!!! #This is the country heading down the toilet, and if you don't like it, go somewhere else. #We are a nation who thrives on mediocrity. #We would rather see a tax cut for the ritch than those poor heros we send into combat come back alive. #They look funney anyway. #And most can't spell well either.

Do we want fast responses to national disasters? #No. #Do we want experienced leaders who understand foreign relations to keep our citizens safe outside our boarders? #No Do we look for a thriving economy? #No. #Do we want to protect our civil or military forces? #Not much. #We love and respect 3rd world nations, and can't wait until we become one in #a year or two. #

A strong speech is all important to Americans. #Lip service reigns supreme!!! #We don't give a care about actual results. #We have low expectations of Bush!!!

Re-elect Bush for Life!!!
Jeeze Louise, I love this guy, great post OM... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

kxq

[n2nh]

Quote[/b] (AC0H @ Nov. 11 2005,18:03)]Quote[/b] ]Funny how Clinton got criticized for doing the same thing. Now why were they criticizing Clinton?
Might have something to do with his open hostility towards the armed services, through spoken word and actions, and his eviscerating of the defense budget. Now why would anybody in uniform be upset about that?
Nice spin taking the quote out of context. As President I never saw Bubba dis the military. As usual, spin to take the heat off. Bush was priveledged enough to be AWOL and not do a day in the brig. He never did a day in 'Nam either. At least Clinton stated his objection - he didn't hide in the 'reserve'.

The Polls will be out again. The numbers will be down. You'll all still be delusional. http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/bs.gif

[KA7RRA]

Quote[/b] (ki4lzk @ Nov. 11 2005,12:56)]president. I think that Bush and Clinton (names by appearance in the alphabet) will BOTH be remembered as two of our best presidents.
Don't forget the other great presidents that we have had
Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan

[KE7DFP]

Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Nov. 11 2005,17:46)]Those who like Clinton are those kinds of freaks who enjoy prosperity. #Wake up half wits!!! #This is the country heading down the toilet, and if you don't like it, go somewhere else. #We are a nation who thrives on mediocrity. #We would rather see a tax cut for the ritch than those poor heros we send into combat come back alive. #They look funney anyway. #And most can't spell well either.

Do we want fast responses to national disasters? #No. #Do we want experienced leaders who understand foreign relations to keep our citizens safe outside our boarders? #No Do we look for a thriving economy? #No. #Do we want to protect our civil or military forces? #Not much. #We love and respect 3rd world nations, and can't wait until we become one in #a year or two. #

A strong speech is all important to Americans. #Lip service reigns supreme!!! #We don't give a care about actual results. #We have low expectations of Bush!!!

Re-elect Bush for Life!!!
What in the world are you talking about?

[KE7DFP]

Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Nov. 11 2005,17:54)]Quote[/b] (AC0H @ Nov. 11 2005,18:03)]Quote[/b] ]Funny how Clinton got criticized for doing the same thing. #Now why were they criticizing Clinton?
Might have something to do with his open hostility towards the armed services, through spoken word and actions, and his #eviscerating of the defense budget. Now why would anybody in uniform be upset about that?
Nice spin taking the quote out of context. #As President I never saw Bubba dis the military. #As usual, spin to take the heat off. #Bush was priveledged enough to be AWOL and not do a day in the brig. #He never did a day in 'Nam either. #At least Clinton stated his objection - he didn't hide in the 'reserve'.

The Polls will be out again. #The numbers will be down. #You'll all still be delusional. http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/bs.gif
Got any proof he was AWOL? Or is this just another one of those Democrat things?

[KG4CGC]

Quote[/b] (KE7DFP @ Nov. 11 2005,21:25)]Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Nov. 11 2005,17:46)]Those who like Clinton are those kinds of freaks who enjoy prosperity. #Wake up half wits!!! #This is the country heading down the toilet, and if you don't like it, go somewhere else. #We are a nation who thrives on mediocrity. #We would rather see a tax cut for the ritch than those poor heros we send into combat come back alive. #They look funney anyway. #And most can't spell well either.

Do we want fast responses to national disasters? #No. #Do we want experienced leaders who understand foreign relations to keep our citizens safe outside our boarders? #No Do we look for a thriving economy? #No. #Do we want to protect our civil or military forces? #Not much. #We love and respect 3rd world nations, and can't wait until we become one in #a year or two. #

A strong speech is all important to Americans. #Lip service reigns supreme!!! #We don't give a care about actual results. #We have low expectations of Bush!!!

Re-elect Bush for Life!!!
What in the world are you talking about?
Sounds like he described our Great Fuerher(sp) to a TEE!

[KE7DFP]

Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Nov. 11 2005,17:46)]Those who like Clinton are those kinds of freaks who enjoy prosperity. #Wake up half wits!!! #This is the country heading down the toilet, and if you don't like it, go somewhere else. #We are a nation who thrives on mediocrity. #We would rather see a tax cut for the ritch than those poor heros we send into combat come back alive. #They look funney anyway. #And most can't spell well either.

. # Re-elect Bush for Life!!!
Giving Clinton credit for the Economy is like giving the weatherman credit for a Clear Day. # Did Ritch get a tax cut? I didn't know that. #Do you ever listen to the nonsense comming out of your mouth......Work on your spelling and grammar, it's pathetic.

[k9kxq]

Quote[/b] (KE7DFP @ Nov. 11 2005,21:27)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Nov. 11 2005,17:54)]Quote[/b] (AC0H @ Nov. 11 2005,18:03)]Quote[/b] ]Funny how Clinton got criticized for doing the same thing. #Now why were they criticizing Clinton?
Might have something to do with his open hostility towards the armed services, through spoken word and actions, and his #eviscerating of the defense budget. Now why would anybody in uniform be upset about that?
Nice spin taking the quote out of context. #As President I never saw Bubba dis the military. #As usual, spin to take the heat off. #Bush was priveledged enough to be AWOL and not do a day in the brig. #He never did a day in 'Nam either. #At least Clinton stated his objection - he didn't hide in the 'reserve'.

The Polls will be out again. #The numbers will be down. #You'll all still be delusional. http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/bs.gif
Got any proof he was AWOL? Or is this just another one of those Democrat things?
http://www.awolbush.com/images/wherewasbush_small.jpg

He was AWOL, now you prove your hero was not...

kxq

[W8EFA]

Quote[/b] (KE7DFP @ Nov. 11 2005,22:27)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Nov. 11 2005,17:54)]Quote[/b] (AC0H @ Nov. 11 2005,18:03)]Quote[/b] ]Funny how Clinton got criticized for doing the same thing. #Now why were they criticizing Clinton?
Might have something to do with his open hostility towards the armed services, through spoken word and actions, and his #eviscerating of the defense budget. Now why would anybody in uniform be upset about that?
Nice spin taking the quote out of context. #As President I never saw Bubba dis the military. #As usual, spin to take the heat off. #Bush was priveledged enough to be AWOL and not do a day in the brig. #He never did a day in 'Nam either. #At least Clinton stated his objection - he didn't hide in the 'reserve'.

The Polls will be out again. #The numbers will be down. #You'll all still be delusional. http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/bs.gif
Got any proof he was AWOL? Or is this just another one of those Democrat things?
How about Grounded for not taking a drug test?
Grounded and suspended (http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/grounded.gif)
Or how about a letter threatening active duty for not showing up in the reserves
"Unsastifactory participation" warning letter (http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc23.gif)
Or not available for analysis
Not available for administrative reasons (AWOL but that is OK his Daddy is George Bush) (http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc28.gif)
Yes he was quite the Soldier. #DAddy get's him in the reserve and he can't even serve admirably.

[k9kxq]

EFA, from accounts I've read the time line was 17 months...

kxq

[w7lpn]

Quote[/b] (W0MT @ Nov. 11 2005,11:12)]Have you ever noticed that Bush almost always only gives speeches in front of military groups? And of course, anyone in the military can be punished for criticizing the commander-in-chief. Even booing is punishable.

And when he does speak at gatherings of the general public, the attendees are screened to be sure no one with a brain can attend to ask embarrassing questions.
Hey! Can you read? This was positive Bush stuff. Go cry somewhere else. Find some brainless liberal posting to run your flapper on. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[k6bbc]

Quote[/b] (ke7eke @ Nov. 11 2005,21:38)]Quote[/b] (W0MT @ Nov. 11 2005,11:12)]Have you ever noticed that Bush almost always only gives speeches in front of military groups? And of course, anyone in the military can be punished for criticizing the commander-in-chief. Even booing is punishable.

And when he does speak at gatherings of the general public, the attendees are screened to be sure no one with a brain can attend to ask embarrassing questions.
Hey! Can you read? This was positive Bush stuff. Go cry somewhere else. Find some brainless liberal posting to run your flapper on. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
I hear his numbers are moving towards the high twenties now.

[N9XR]

Sorry for my bad spelling and bad grammer. I have been listening to Der Furher too much lately. But really Mr. KF7DFP, it sounds like you are just a fiddle stickin' Bush hater, gorsh darn it. You probably hate listening to Bush when he says "At this Thursday, ticket counters and airplanes will fly outta Ronald Reagan Airport," or "Sometimes when I sleep at night I think of "Hop on Pop, " or " I promise you I will listen to what has been said here, even though I wasn't here," or "Border relations between Canada and Mexico have never been better." You make fun of Bush for his conscience-challenged life.

Ya know, some people have problems just getting their zipper zipped, and you would be the first to laugh at those Bush-like people. Well, I don't. I am proud of my lack-luster leader. I will be glad to loose my country just to hear those words "It's a -- changes positions on something as ff -- fundamental as what you believe in your core, in your heart of hearts is right for -- in Iraq. I -- you cannot lead if you send mexed miss -- mixed messages." Those are words of a true leader. One who grandstands while standing on the top of freshly killed Trade tower people. Your buddy Clinton would never have allowed the towers to be knocked down, much less stand on the dead to BS.

[N6WK]

Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Nov. 11 2005,19:42)]I'm glad to see Bush honoring veterans. Funny how Clinton got criticized for doing the same thing. Now why were they criticizing Clinton? Oh, yes, he was a draft dodger wasn't he?
Ahhh, But you forget, Bush was also a Draft Dodger.. Oh wait, He just hid out in the National Guard and then didn't even show up for it.. Sorry. My Mistake calling him a Draft Dodger. He was just AWOL!!

And you guys call Clinton a Draft Dodger.... HAH!!!!!

Gordon

[KG4CGC]

Mr. Bush, Put Up That Wall!

[k9kxq]

Quote[/b] (ke7eke @ Nov. 11 2005,23:38)]Quote[/b] (W0MT @ Nov. 11 2005,11:12)]Have you ever noticed that Bush almost always only gives speeches in front of military groups? And of course, anyone in the military can be punished for criticizing the commander-in-chief. Even booing is punishable.

And when he does speak at gatherings of the general public, the attendees are screened to be sure no one with a brain can attend to ask embarrassing questions.
Hey! Can you read? This was positive Bush stuff. Go cry somewhere else. Find some brainless liberal posting to run your flapper on. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Hey! lets go kick some terrorist butt, no matter where they are in the world.

Mr. President, these Muslim extremist must be stopped at all cost, and some pretty strong words for Syria too, if they want to harbor criminals who have no regard for life and hate Americans, lets get it on!

And while I'm on my soap box, lets tell Kin Jong Il that by no means are we going to be blackmailed any longer, get rid of the WMD's or we will get rid of them for you.

Let's bring back the draft while we are at it, you know we will need plenty of military to get the job done right.

Whew...

kxq

kxq

[N9XR]

AWOL is patriotic when it is saving Jeff Gannon's gay boyfriend's butt. Bush don't go for those unclean ladies of the night. He likes those gay ex-Marine buff hunks. Sometimes he strays with a tounge down Lieberman's throat, but that really upsets Jeff.

You straight Democrats need to leave AWOL Dubya alone. It really hurts his feelings. There is nothing you can say that will erase the strong speech given today that will catapult his popularity. As long as his popularity is over 0.000341%, that is where he will still be popular in my high expectations of him. Today, he said, "While it's perfectly legitimate to criticize my decision or the conduct of the war, it is deeply irresponsible to rewrite the history of how that war began." So any of you Democrats that want to rewrite history and say that the war was honorable, then fooey on you. Deceit is the only way to lead a nation.

[K0RGR]

By God, he told us, too! If we criticize him, we're helping the enemy! He came right out and said so! And if George W. Bush says it's so, it must be true!

That explains why his Administration has used all of the power of the U.S. government to crush and intimidate anybody who criticizes the president. Why, for a while there, I thought we had moved to the Soviet Union. But, in fact, Bush is just using some tricks his friend the Russian President picked up when he was head of the KGB, and GWB's Dad was head of the CIA.

I see that a Lutheran church hereabouts is being audited by the IRS and has been told it will lose its tax exempt status because one of their pastors dared to say that, in his opinion, anyone who voted for Bush would go to Hell - very nice. That's retaliation for the Southern Church that was shut down after Democrats complained that the pastor forced them to resign because they wouldn't back Bush. It seems like the whole country is being run by a Chicago-style political machine.

Anybody who treasures freedom will vote for a big change next year. As for amending the Constitution to allow GWB to run again, I doubt that there's enough time or enough red-state legislatures to ratify it.

[KE7DFP]

Quote[/b] (k9kxq @ Nov. 11 2005,22:30)]Quote[/b] (ke7eke @ Nov. 11 2005,23:38)]Quote[/b] (W0MT @ Nov. 11 2005,11:12)]Have you ever noticed that Bush almost always only gives speeches in front of military groups? And of course, anyone in the military can be punished for criticizing the commander-in-chief. Even booing is punishable.

And when he does speak at gatherings of the general public, the attendees are screened to be sure no one with a brain can attend to ask embarrassing questions.
Hey! Can you read? This was positive Bush stuff. Go cry somewhere else. Find some brainless liberal posting to run your flapper on. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Hey! lets go kick some terrorist butt, no matter where they are in the world.

Mr. President, these Muslim extremist must be stopped at all cost, and some pretty strong words for Syria too, if they want to harbor criminals who have no regard for life and hate Americans, lets get it on!

And while I'm on my soap box, lets tell Kin Jong Il that by no means are we going to be blackmailed any longer, get rid of the WMD's or we will get rid of them for you.

Let's bring back the draft while we are at it, you know we will need plenty of military to get the job done right.

Whew...

kxq

kxq
I never thought I would see the day, but it looks like me and you finally agree on something, KXQ. You've got some pretty good ideas there,

[KC2ESD]

Well its about time Bush came out swinging, He is finalily doing what Rush L. and Mike Savage have been saying what Bush should do for 6 Months. Bush played nice with the left but what it get him? Continued Harping from the left and the Republicans getting smacked down hard in Virginia and New Jersey. I have spoke for Bush Harder then Bush himself. I'm glad GW Bush grew some round ones and smacks the left back.
Rick KC2ESD with Red Hairy Round Ones

[N9XR]

Those Muslims follow that guy, who is he. Oh that guy that went around teaching about God. Oh yeah, Jesus. They believe he was sent by God and born of a virgin. Ha ha on you Muslims. You probably believe in the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, and WMD in Iraq. Anyone who follows that Mexican guy that mows my lawn has to be a little Waco or Crawford, or some city in Central Texas.

Indeed, Bush did what he had to do. He has been following Hitler practices for years. "Sieg Heil" is a slogan promoting the safety of the nation. Do you guys promote the safety of our nation, or are you with the enemy? If you are with us Patriots, you need to go around and promote our leader and say "Sieg Heil" or you are just like those Anti-American" Democrats.

Nixon Nine Xtreme Republican.

[k4kyv]

Bush has counterattacked Iraq war critics with a two-pronged argument: (1) that Congress saw the same intelligence the administration did before the war, and (2) that independent commissions have determined that the administration did not misrepresent the intelligence.

Bush critics have called into question the total accuracy of both assertions.

The Bush administration had access to more intelligence information than did lawmakers, who were dependent on the administration to provide the material. And critics say the commissions did not even address the issue of whether the administration exaggerated or distorted the conclusions.

Asterisks dot White House’s Iraq argument (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10009710/)

[KE7DFP]

Quote[/b] (k4kyv @ Nov. 12 2005,08:09)]Bush has counterattacked Iraq war critics with a two-pronged argument: (1) that Congress saw the same intelligence the administration did before the war, and (2) that independent commissions have determined that the administration did not misrepresent the intelligence. #

Bush critics have called into question the total accuracy of both assertions.

The Bush administration had access to more intelligence information than did lawmakers, who were dependent on the administration to provide the material. And critics say the commissions did not even address the issue of whether the administration exaggerated or distorted the conclusions.

Asterisks dot White House’s Iraq argument (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10009710/)
First of all, Bush has not "counterattacked" the Democrats, he's just finally starting to defend his position. #Something the Democrats aren't use to. #They are use to indoctrinating by unchallenged refrain. Your other two points are complete nonsense. 1) Congress had access to 99% of the intelligence the president had, and decisions were only made on the intelligence available to everyone. The fact is, many Congressmen and Senators read the Summary #Reports, #Any sources for the summary report were #available on request, just like when us QRZers list sources for our arguement. So anyone now backpeddling, saying they didn't read the Data, were either lazy, or had no reason to even consider the patently obsurd notion Sadaam didn't have WMDs. #It was a widely held universal consensus of the entire world. #Now the Democrats want to distance themselves from their collective error and blame it all on the President. #How else do they explain their pro-war position and overwhelming concensus to go to war.? Especially to their Anti-War constituents with elections drawing near? ##I believe Ted Kennedy was the ONLY opponent to the war, and he was Drunk and didn't even read the (p.s., I can't back that up, it's just so)! .2) There WAS a commission and it DID determine the war was not misrepresented to the Legislators. Period, that's a true statement. #We have even engaged in another hearing so your "Critics" like wacko Harry Ried can be appeased. #We will spend a few million bucks so the transparent Dems can play their little game of splitting hairs. #But there is no new info in this 2nd report, so it's only an attempt to squeeze/twist a meaning that isn't there. Why do you care if the truth is that: we ALL decided to go to war? What is it that you have vested in the outcome of this logical,investigative, process, that you will only accept your predetermined answer? In science and logic, we do the experiment then arrive at the answer, we don't take an answer then do tests over and over until we get that result. #That's Junk science, or in this case, Junk Logic. # #73s # The Charade's over, deal with it.

[n2nh]

Quote[/b] (KE7DFP @ Nov. 11 2005,23:27)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Nov. 11 2005,17:54)]Quote[/b] (AC0H @ Nov. 11 2005,18:03)]Quote[/b] ]Funny how Clinton got criticized for doing the same thing. Now why were they criticizing Clinton?
Might have something to do with his open hostility towards the armed services, through spoken word and actions, and his eviscerating of the defense budget. Now why would anybody in uniform be upset about that?
Nice spin taking the quote out of context. As President I never saw Bubba dis the military. As usual, spin to take the heat off. Bush was priveledged enough to be AWOL and not do a day in the brig. He never did a day in 'Nam either. At least Clinton stated his objection - he didn't hide in the 'reserve'.

The Polls will be out again. The numbers will be down. You'll all still be delusional. http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/bs.gif
Got any proof he was AWOL? Or is this just another one of those Democrat things?
Dude, it was in the news. If the right chooses to listen to Faux News instead of real news, ('cause they must all be liars, they don't agree with what I want them too,) then I can't help you. You must face reality. Even if reality bites. First step: Slowly pick up the newspaper on the way to work. GOOD! Now tommorrow, we'll work on paying for it...

The polls will still be in free-fall and the right will still be out of touch. If I could buy stock in this, I'd be very very rich.

[KE7DFP]

I did catch the news on this issue. #It wasn't Fox, it's was CBS. #They were so bankrupt for proof, they attempted a fraudulent story backed up by forged papers. #It resulterd in the firing of the Editor, Mapes, and the forced resignation of a press Icon, Dan Rather. It takes a hell of a lie to make that happen. #If they had proof, why would they go to such desperate, pathetic, tactics to undermine our goverment and attempt to taint the election process? Ask your children what kind of people do that. #Even an eight year old will tell you "rotten, lying , no good cheaters"

[KE7DFP]

Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Nov. 12 2005,11:07)]Quote[/b] (KE7DFP @ Nov. 11 2005,23:27)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Nov. 11 2005,17:54)]Quote[/b] (AC0H @ Nov. 11 2005,18:03)]Quote[/b] ]Funny how Clinton got criticized for doing the same thing. #Now why were they criticizing Clinton?
Might have something to do with his open hostility towards the armed services, through spoken word and actions, and his #eviscerating of the defense budget. Now why would anybody in uniform be upset about that?
Nice spin taking the quote out of context. #As President I never saw Bubba dis the military. #As usual, spin to take the heat off. #Bush was priveledged enough to be AWOL and not do a day in the brig. #He never did a day in 'Nam either. #At least Clinton stated his objection - he didn't hide in the 'reserve'.

The Polls will be out again. #The numbers will be down. #You'll all still be delusional. http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/bs.gif
Got any proof he was AWOL? Or is this just another one of those Democrat things?
Dude, it was in the news. #If the right chooses to listen to Faux News instead of real news, ('cause they must all be liars, they don't agree with what I want them too,) then I can't help you. #You must face reality. #Even if reality bites. #First step: Slowly pick up the newspaper on the way to work. #GOOD! #Now tommorrow, we'll work on paying for it...

The polls will still be in free-fall and the right will still be out of touch. #If I could buy stock in this, I'd be very very rich.
Yes, his polls got so low he bottomed out at 37% approval rating, all the way down to Clinton's low. Still above Ford, His Dad, and even Reagan I believe.

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Quote[/b] ]Yes, his polls got so low he bottomed out at 37% approval rating, all the way down to Clinton's low. #Still above Ford, His Dad, and even Reagan I believe.

Not exactly right ... latest Newsweek poll puts GWB's approval rate at 36%. #That data was released today, and was following the most recent speech.

Begin standard Republican spin cycle now DFP. #I'm sure you already have the playbook open.

[N9XR]

Quote[/b] ]W. Bush's approval rating fell to a record low of 36 percent from 40 percent at the end of September, a survey released by Newsweek magazine showed today.

Bush's previous record low was 38 percent in the days after Hurricane Katrina struck on Aug. 29. Newsweek said Bush's approval rating equals the low of Bill Clinton's presidency in May 1993, when the Democratic president also hit 36 percent. Bush's father, President George H. W. Bush, recorded a 32 percent approval rating in a Gallup poll taken in July 1992 before Clinton defeated him.

You gotta love the Bush'es. They can convence so many people that promises are better than actions. Clinton is a member of the Bush family.

Thanks for your Republican spin Mr. DFP (Democrats Fine People). I think Bush is a good pick.

[KE7DFP]

You are more than welcome, Mr. Shirar.

[KE7DFP]

Quote[/b] (ad4mg @ Nov. 12 2005,15:29)]Quote[/b] ]Yes, his polls got so low he bottomed out at 37% approval rating, all the way down to Clinton's low. #Still above Ford, His Dad, and even Reagan I believe.

Not exactly right ... latest Newsweek poll puts GWB's approval rate at 36%. #That data was released today, and was following the most recent speech.

Begin standard Republican spin cycle now DFP. #I'm sure you already have the playbook open.
What's to spin? #The facts are overwhelming evident Bush misled no one, and did not lie to get us into a war. #You folks have been saying that for so long without a shred of proof, your starting to believe yourselves. Your hypnotized by your own refrains. #My viewpoint is easy, it's rooted in #the record and the facts. #It's an effortless defense.Yours is unsustainable without maximized spin, and only the uninformed and emotionally swayed are succeptable to it.

[n2nh]

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[N9XR]

Quote[/b] ]What's to spin? The facts are overwhelming evident Bush misled no one, and did not lie to get us into a war. You folks have been saying that for so long without a shred of proof, your starting to believe yourselves. Your hypnotized by your own refrains. My viewpoint is easy, it's rooted in the record and the facts. It's an effortless defense.Yours is unsustainable without maximized spin, and only the uninformed and emotionally swayed are succeptable to it.

Look at the facts, my dizzy spun out friend.

ONE. There were no WMD's
TWO. There were no WMD's
THREE. There were no WMD's.

There is only one way I can picture Dubya rooting out evil. If Dubya did not mislead anyone, why does he mock some Democrats for believing his lies? He is going around saying how stupid they were to believe and to sign on to his intelligence. If he did not mislead anyone, why did he not report to the nation in his State of the Union Address that Joe Wilson's research turned up no evidence of uranium sold to Saddam? If he did not mislead anyone, why did he follow the fake documents? Is he too stupid to understand real intelligence information, or are you saying that he mislead America?

Support treason against America if you wish. I choose not to.

N9XR Formerly Dubya Bush Five Laden.

[k4kro]

N9XR repeated his mantra ......

Quote[/b] ]Look at the facts, my dizzy spun out friend. #

ONE. #There were no WMD's
TWO. #There were no WMD's
THREE. #There were no WMD's.


Gosh! Darn! Shucks! I am so disappointed that you managed to completely miss all TV news reports during the 1990's. You missed years of daily coverage of UN weapons inspectors cruising around Iraq searching for those elusive WMD's. Too bad you didn't get a chance to call or write President Clinton and let him know that there simply were no WMD's. You could have saved the whole world lot of trouble. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[KG4CGC]

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Quote[/b] (KE7DFP @ Nov. 12 2005,20:33)]Quote[/b] (ad4mg @ Nov. 12 2005,15:29)]Quote[/b] ]Yes, his polls got so low he bottomed out at 37% approval rating, all the way down to Clinton's low. #Still above Ford, His Dad, and even Reagan I believe.

Not exactly right ... latest Newsweek poll puts GWB's approval rate at 36%. #That data was released today, and was following the most recent speech.

Begin standard Republican spin cycle now DFP. #I'm sure you already have the playbook open.
What's to spin? #The facts are overwhelming evident Bush misled no one, and did not lie to get us into a war. #You folks have been saying that for so long without a shred of proof, your starting to believe yourselves. Your hypnotized by your own refrains. #My viewpoint is easy, it's rooted in #the record and the facts. #It's an effortless defense.Yours is unsustainable without maximized spin, and only the uninformed and emotionally swayed are succeptable to it.
No DFP, as a moderate who does not vote along party lines, I only wished to address the statement about &quot;soaring approval ratings&quot; that did not, and likely will not, occur.

I am simply watching (and enjoying) the rabid supporters of each party squirming and posturizing about how &quot;their&quot; party is right and the other is wrong. #Your rants are particularly amusing to me.

In the matter of Iraq, you may &quot;rag&quot; me a bit, as I hold GWB responsible for starting an unjustified war there, as it was on his watch. #Admit it, Afghanistan was &quot;just&quot;, Iraq was just wrong. #And our best and brightest will pay for these errors.

[N9XR]

Quote[/b] ]I am simply watching (and enjoying) the rabid supporters of each party squirming and posturizing about how &quot;their&quot; party is right and the other is wrong. Your rants are particularly amusing to me.

You almost make me feel ashamed for trying to keep more Americans from dying and promoting America.

[KE7DFP]

Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Nov. 13 2005,07:59)]Quote[/b] ]I am simply watching (and enjoying) the rabid supporters of each party squirming and posturizing about how &quot;their&quot; party is right and the other is wrong. #Your rants are particularly amusing to me.

You almost make me feel ashamed for trying to keep more Americans from dying and promoting America.
And just how are you doing that? By feeble attempts to undermine the country's efforts and rooting for an enemy victory?

[KE7DFP]

Quote[/b] (KG4CGC @ Nov. 13 2005,03:13)]http://mryamamoto.50megs.com/silly-crap/stinkfoot17.jpg
Come On Frenchy!!..........Nothing But The Best For My Dog!..... Hey, I'm a big Zappa fan, Gordon (May I just call you Flash?)

[AC0H]

BBC wrote:Quote[/b] ]Bush is selling but only 38% are buying.
A little better than Billy Jeff Clinton's low of 36% in 1993 isn't it?

[N6WK]

Quote[/b] (KE7DFP @ Nov. 13 2005,17:37)]Quote[/b] (KG4CGC @ Nov. 13 2005,03:13)]http://mryamamoto.50megs.com/silly-crap/stinkfoot17.jpg
Come On Frenchy!!..........Nothing But The Best For My Dog!..... Hey, I'm a big Zappa fan, Gordon (May I just call you Flash?)
NO! You can Call me Gordon or friend...But NOT Flash!! And Definately not not Gordo !!

Gordon
N6WK

[KG4CGC]

Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Nov. 13 2005,22:01)]Quote[/b] (KE7DFP @ Nov. 13 2005,17:37)]Quote[/b] (KG4CGC @ Nov. 13 2005,03:13)]http://mryamamoto.50megs.com/silly-crap/stinkfoot17.jpg
Come On Frenchy!!..........Nothing But The Best For My Dog!..... Hey, I'm a big Zappa fan, Gordon #(May I just call you Flash?)
NO! #You can Call me Gordon or friend...But NOT Flash!! And Definately not not #Gordo !!

Gordon
N6WK
I thought he wanted ME to flash.

[wv6z]

Quote[/b] (KG4CGC @ Nov. 12 2005,21:06)]Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Nov. 13 2005,22:01)]Quote[/b] (KE7DFP @ Nov. 13 2005,17:37)]Quote[/b] (KG4CGC @ Nov. 13 2005,03:13)]http://mryamamoto.50megs.com/silly-crap/stinkfoot17.jpg
Come On Frenchy!!..........Nothing But The Best For My Dog!..... Hey, I'm a big Zappa fan, Gordon #(May I just call you Flash?)
NO! #You can Call me Gordon or friend...But NOT Flash!! And Definately not not #Gordo !!

Gordon
N6WK
I thought he wanted ME to flash.
&quot;It puts the lotion in the basket!&quot;

[KG4CGC]

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[W0MT]

Quote[/b] ]Quote (W0MT @ Nov. 11 2005,11:12)
Have you ever noticed that Bush almost always only gives speeches in front of military groups? And of course, anyone in the military can be punished for criticizing the commander-in-chief. Even booing is punishable.

And when he does speak at gatherings of the general public, the attendees are screened to be sure no one with a brain can attend to ask embarrassing questions. #

After his speech to a military group in Pennsylvania, please notice his next speech is to a military unit in Alaska. Bush’s handlers are scared to death to let him speak before any group who could criticize him. Bush is such an idiot that they don't dare let him out in public. Did you notice how pathethic he was when he was in South America and his handliers didn't have control of his audience?

[2E0GYD]

hi all
bush is an idiot, he should go for the benefit of the world, as soon as bush and blair goes out of power, the world may be a better place.

73 de Rick 2E0GYD

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Newsweek: # 36% approval rating

CNN: # 37% approval rating

CNN also notes majority polled trust Bill Clinton more than George Bush.

I know, I know ... liberal media polls. #But if GWB doesn't fare any better in Japan and China than he did in SA, things could get far worse for him.

I don't wish for our president to become known as a failure. #He was brillliant following 9-11 and led the country to victory in Afghanistan, but his arrogance will be his undoing, I'm afraid. #His policies (or lack of) regarding illegal immigration stand out, and his counter-attack on the Democrats over this intellegence thing seem to be backfiring on him. #Also, he would do himself well to address a group not chocked full of military people under orders not to cause him problems. #And then there is Iraq, perceived by the vast majority as being an unjustified effort. #What a mess this man has to deal with.

The backlash may cause the wrong people to be elected in the upcoming elections ... and we may end up with the problems we blame Bush for becoming worse. #An extreme liberal mentality will be every bit as destructive as this extreme conservative mentality has been.

What the hell is happening to this once great superpower?

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Quote[/b] (2E0GYD @ Nov. 15 2005,07:53)]hi all
bush is an idiot, he should go for the benefit of the world, as soon as bush and blair goes out of power, the world may be a better place.

73 de Rick 2E0GYD
You are entitled to say this, but no, he's not an idiot. #Words pour out of mouths mighty easily OM, but you sound pretty stupid for making a baseless statement such as this. #I'm no Bush supporter myself, but I'm not going to call him an idiot.

He is the President of the greatest country on this planet who has probably made more than his share of questionable decisions. #But he's not an idiot.

I have no issue with you referring to Blair as an idiot, he belongs to you guys.

I thought you chaps had a little decency about you.

[W0MT]

Many of us can understand that there are some who do not think Bush is an idiot. I can accept the theory that Bush has screwed up so much, not because he is an idiot, but rather because he intended the consequences. Maybe he wanted Cheney’s old company, Halliburton, to make millions as a result of the US invading Iraq, maybe he wanted to reward his rich buddies with tax breaks while running up the largest public debt ever, maybe he didn’t care if over 2,000 (and growing) US military would lose their lives in a senseless war, maybe he wanted the Texas oil companies to make indecent profits, and on and on.

I personally think he is an idiot and he has not intended all of the results but if you wish to think he has done so while knowing what he has been doing, I can accept that.

[k6bbc]

Quote[/b] (AC0H @ Nov. 13 2005,10:36)]BBC wrote:Quote[/b] ]Bush is selling but only 38% are buying.
A little better than Billy Jeff Clinton's low of 36% in 1993 isn't it?
What is your major malfunction over there? Is mentioning Bill Clinton every time Bush is criticized some sort of defense? It is the weakest of all arguments. Clinton has been gone for FIVE YEARS! Get over him already. Any problem Bush has is of his own making.

I have noticed when the walls close in on his hero, Sean Hannity does the same STUPID DUMB ASS thing – he brings up Clinton. Enough already from the dimwit, zombie, party pogs, ignorant, hacks.

bbc

[N9XR]

Quote[/b] ]What is your major malfunction over there? Is mentioning Bill Clinton every time Bush is criticized some sort of defense? It is the weakest of all arguments. Clinton has been gone for FIVE YEARS! Get over him already. Any problem Bush has is of his own making.

I have noticed when the walls close in on his hero, Sean Hannity does the same STUPID DUMB ASS thing – he brings up Clinton. Enough already from the dimwit, zombie, party pogs, ignorant, hacks.

bbc

Clinton was obviously the ultimate President which we judge all Presidents (according to some here). If you can find a President that dosen't get impeached, you are doing good. That is all that matters.

I would like to see a President that is so far beyond Clinton, we don't have to continually look back. But until then, we have to quibble as to whether one President's miserable popularity is better than another's.

If I mention that the economy is floundering, people say &quot;Well, Clinton did things with that woman.&quot; Does this mean that Bush needs to fool around so the economy gets a boost? What does this mean?

n9xr

[KE7DFP]

The economy is floundering? News to me. I think it's booming Best I've seen in a long while! Maybe there's just a lot of Union Industry where you live. That or goverment workers bleeding you dry.

[AC0H]

Quote[/b] ]What is your major malfunction over there? #Is mentioning Bill Clinton every time Bush is criticized some sort of defense? #It is the weakest of all arguments. #Clinton has been gone for FIVE YEARS! #Get over him already. #Any problem Bush has is of his own making.

My &quot;major malfunction&quot; is your rank hypocrisy.
Listening to you and the other mindless liberal sheep in this thread you'd think Bush was the first and only president to who's approval rating fell below 40%.

Why is it you liberals get so defensive about the child molester?

[KG4CGC]

Are you talking about all the illegals who come across the border to take our jobs and rape and kill our children?

[k6bbc]

Quote[/b] (AC0H @ Nov. 15 2005,11:20)]Quote[/b] ]What is your major malfunction over there? #Is mentioning Bill Clinton every time Bush is criticized some sort of defense? #It is the weakest of all arguments. #Clinton has been gone for FIVE YEARS! #Get over him already. #Any problem Bush has is of his own making.

My &quot;major malfunction&quot; is your rank hypocrisy.
Listening to you and the other mindless liberal sheep in this thread you'd think Bush was the first and only president to who's approval rating fell below 40%.

Why is it you liberals get so defensive about the child molester?
First off, I'm not a liberal so get your facts straight. #

Secondly, it is nitwits like Rush and Sean and the Whitehouse talking points that seem to feed all your ridiculous vituperations. #

Thirdly - child molester - what are you talking about?

bbc

[kb2vxa]

As usual he gets the BRONX CHEER and the JERSEY BIRD! Anyone with half a brain knows that history is written by those in power at the time and rewritten by those who come after and nowhere is the truth to be found until a few reveal it on The History Channel. Hey, if it wasn't true they would get sued big time or countered by propaganda intended to discredit. It hasn't happened yet.

One of the Bushes makes good baked beans, Dubya, well, his is the product of eating them. At least I know the flag is the standard of our nation and NOT the government thereof. When I salute the flag I salute YOU!

I'm in the bunker with flame suit on, nyah nyah.

[kf6rdn]

Quote[/b] (kb2vxa @ Nov. 15 2005,16:09)]One of the Bushes makes good baked beans, Dubya, well, his is the product of eating them. At least I know the flag is the standard of our nation and NOT the government thereof. When I salute the flag I salute YOU!
Those beans are EXCELENT!

No relation whatsoever to GWB.

[KG4CGC]

Quote[/b] (KE7DFP @ Nov. 15 2005,13:00)]The economy is floundering? News to me. #I think it's booming Best I've seen in a long while! #Maybe there's just a lot of Union Industry where you live. That or goverment workers bleeding you dry.
Ok Alice, time to crawl out of that rabbit hole.

[wv6z]

Quote[/b] (KG4CGC @ Nov. 14 2005,22:46)]Quote[/b] (KE7DFP @ Nov. 15 2005,13:00)]The economy is floundering? News to me. #I think it's booming Best I've seen in a long while! #Maybe there's just a lot of Union Industry where you live. That or goverment workers bleeding you dry.
Ok Alice, time to crawl out of that rabbit hole.
Alice In Chains?

[AC0H]

Quote[/b] ]First off, I'm not a liberal so get your facts straight. #
Maybe not in the PRC, Peoples Republic of Califonia, but taking a look at all of the drivel you've posted on this board I don't think anybody other than WX7B or W8EFA would call you conservative, or even moderate.

You may be conservative and just have a personal problem with GWB. What, he steal your girlfriend in college?

As for the blithering idiots claiming the economy is &quot;going in the tank&quot; you really need to pay attention before posting stuff like that. It makes you look stupid.

1. The US economy has been growing at 3-3.75% for over two years. A long term sustainable level.

2. The presdient has little to no control over the economy. The man with the real power is the chairman of the Fed, the outgoing Allan Greenspan. He and the board of governors set the interest rates in this country.

3. The &quot;stock market&quot; is not the economy, and thank God it's not. It's ruled by &quot;analysts&quot; who don't really know bupkus about what they're supposed to analyzing, Enron is a pretty good example, and &quot;investment bankers&quot;, a synonym for professional gamblers.

[W8EFA]

Economic news from Yesterday!A 'fiscal hurricane' on the horizon (http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20051115/ts_usatoday/afiscalhurricaneonthehorizon)
Quote[/b] ]The comptroller general of the United States is explaining over eggs how the nation's finances are going to hell.

Sadly, it's no laughing matter. To hear Walker, the nation's top auditor, tell it, the United States can be likened to Rome before the fall of the empire. Its financial condition is &quot;worse than advertised,&quot; he says. It has a &quot;broken business model.&quot; It faces deficits in its budget, its balance of payments, its savings - and its leadership.


Walker's not the only one saying it. As Congress and the White House struggle to trim up to $50 billion from the federal budget over five years - just 3% of the $1.6 trillion in deficits projected for that period - budget experts say the nation soon could face its worst fiscal crisis since at least 1983, when Social Security bordered on bankruptcy.


Without major spending cuts, tax increases or both, the national debt will grow more than $3 trillion through 2010, to $11.2 trillion - nearly $38,000 for every man, woman and child. The interest alone would cost $561 billion in 2010, the same as the Pentagon.


From the political left and right, budget watchdogs are warning of fiscal trouble:




The Economy has not been good since Bush has been in office. The Economy has not been booming since the 90's. And the war in Iraq and the Tax cuts and the massive defecits are not from Greenspan but from GWB!

[k6bbc]

Quote[/b] (AC0H @ Nov. 16 2005,06:35)]Quote[/b] ]First off, I'm not a liberal so get your facts straight. #
Maybe not in the PRC, Peoples Republic of Califonia, but taking a look at all of the drivel you've posted on this board I don't think anybody other than WX7B or W8EFA would call you conservative, or even moderate.

You may be conservative and just have a personal problem with GWB. What, he steal your girlfriend in college?

As for the blithering idiots claiming the economy is &quot;going in the tank&quot; you really need to pay attention before posting stuff like that. It makes you look stupid.

1. The US economy has been growing at 3-3.75% for over two years. A long term sustainable level.

2. The presdient has little to no control over the economy. The man with the real power is the chairman of the Fed, the outgoing Allan Greenspan. He and the board of governors set the interest rates in this country.

3. The &quot;stock market&quot; is not the economy, and thank God it's not. It's ruled by &quot;analysts&quot; who don't really know bupkus about what they're supposed to analyzing, Enron is a pretty good example, and &quot;investment bankers&quot;, a synonym for professional gamblers.
Sadly AC0H you have once again painted yourself into a corner and thrown away the key.

In all your blathering you have at least found an ounce of truth – GWB is the kind of guy who would steal his friends girlfriend.

And since you received your political science education from listening to Sean and Rush, nobody expects you to understand what a conservative is. #I am sure your understanding is MY PARTY GOOD, YOUR PARTY BAD (imagine Frankenstein or Mongo from Blazing Saddles voice in that role).

I know this will shoot right through that fertile mind of yours, but here is a brief education into what a conservative is: Someone that conserves things, like for instance, money. #Spending the people’s money wisely would be a good conservative president. #Conserving the environment. #Conserving natural resources. #Conserving our boarders with foreign countries. #Conserving our Constitution – amending the Constitution to limit freedom of speech is not conservative. #A conservative wants government out of peoples private lives. #And did I mention spending the people’s money wisely?

That is a conservative. #Bush is no conservative. # #

K6BBC

[KE7DFP]

Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Nov. 16 2005,08:11)]Economic news from Yesterday!A 'fiscal hurricane' on the horizon (http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20051115/ts_usatoday/afiscalhurricaneonthehorizon)
Quote[/b] ]The comptroller general of the United States is explaining over eggs how the nation's finances are going to hell.

Sadly, it's no laughing matter. To hear Walker, the nation's top auditor, tell it, the United States can be likened to Rome before the fall of the empire. Its financial condition is &quot;worse than advertised,&quot; he says. It has a &quot;broken business model.&quot; It faces deficits in its budget, its balance of payments, its savings - and its leadership.


Walker's not the only one saying it. As Congress and the White House struggle to trim up to $50 billion from the federal budget over five years - just 3% of the $1.6 trillion in deficits projected for that period - budget experts say the nation soon could face its worst fiscal crisis since at least 1983, when Social Security bordered on bankruptcy.


Without major spending cuts, tax increases or both, the national debt will grow more than $3 trillion through 2010, to $11.2 trillion - nearly $38,000 for every man, woman and child. The interest alone would cost $561 billion in 2010, the same as the # # Pentagon.


From the political left and right, budget watchdogs are warning of fiscal trouble:




The Economy has not been good since Bush has been in office. #The Economy has not been booming since the 90's. #And the war in Iraq and the Tax cuts and the massive defecits are not from Greenspan but from GWB!
How ya been, EFA. #Hope the &quot;program&quot;s going well for you. #Thanks for the opinion piece you posted from USA today. However, there are numerous articles talking all sorts of sides in this . #Perhaps we should judt post the numbers. #First of all, a tax cut of .001% of the all the goverments revenues cannot create a deficite, but it sounds good to the sloganeers. #Now, try to look at this rationally. #National debt isn't something that sprang miraculously to life at Bush's election. #The goverment had a long history of this ever since incoime taxes were first implemented in the late 20's. #Since we were in High school, the dollar value has inflated at least X 10. #So it sounds a lot better to opponents to put the debt in termns of todays dollars. #So what happen's if wee use percentages and arrive at a fair and realistic statistic? #You will find Bush has one of the lowest. #Being at war, this is especially remarkable. #Yoiu will find that during world war 11, we've had a deficit running 121 % of the GNP. Here's the most neutral source I could find, if you scroll a little way down the page you will see the various #presidencies deficits measured in percentages to GNP. # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki....records (Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/economy_of_the_united_states#modern_presidential_r ecords) # # # Also don't forget that deficit is all incured by the U.S. in the last 6 years. #Much of it, and years of interest, came with the job. #As the debt grows , the interest grows. The rate of debt will increase almost exponentially. #I'm not saying wee aren't running a debt, I'm just saying the rate is inline with the history of past Presidents, and Bush inherited the problem.

[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ Nov. 16 2005,08:42)]I know this will shoot right through that fertile mind of yours, but here is a brief education into what a conservative is: Someone that conserves things, like for instance, money. Spending the people’s money wisely would be a good conservative president. Conserving the environment. Conserving natural resources. Conserving our boarders with foreign countries. Conserving our Constitution – amending the Constitution to limit freedom of speech is not conservative. A conservative wants government out of peoples private lives. And did I mention spending the people’s money wisely?

That is a conservative. Bush is no conservative.

K6BBC
On the other hand, a neo-con believes &quot;my country right or wrong&quot; provided it's a Republican who's dishing out the manure. Seem to be seeing an awful lot of that lately.

Good post, Tony... bet it falls on deaf ears.

73, Rob

[KE7DFP]

Neo Con my arse...Got the link working right. Scroll down to the figures on the page for previous presidents. No spin here, just the facts Danno, just the facts. Reagan spent 188% of the GNP in eight years. Clinton had the good fortune of presiding during the greatest economic and world shattering boom of it's history, he only had 18%. Bush comes in 2nd, right above him.

[AC0H]

Quote[/b] ]Good post, Tony... #bet it falls on deaf ears.Yep, he's not my father, do really think he's going to change my mind?
Quote[/b] ]Spending the people’s money wisely would be a good conservative president. #Conserving the environment. #Conserving natural resources. #Conserving our boarders with foreign countries. #Conserving our Constitution –
I can agree with two of those, conserving our borders and our constitution.

I do have a problem with how much the govt. spends. I think the increase year to year of federal expenditures should be tied directly to the rate of inflation. You've got this much to spend and that's it. As for the defecit I find it kind of surreal that any democrat thats been in office for more than 10 years is bitching about the defecit. Where was the hue and cry when the defecit and national debt were a larger percentage of GDP than they are now? Oh, that's right, they don't mind defecit spending when it's on some nice cushy entitlement program that directly gets them votes. Hypocrits.

I've been critical of GWB as far as the borders are concerned. The first step in security is knowing who is coming in the country, where they're going, and controlling how many. The rest of the world be damned, is the US the only country in world NOT allowed to restrict and control entry? The second step is tossing out the illegals and student visa squaters. If that means the produce farmers have to pay more for labor, a head of lettuce costs $4, and it pisses off the UFW so be it. This isn't a popular stance with most &quot;open borders&quot; liberals.

Amending the constitution requires the ascent of 2/3 of both houses of congress and 3/4 of the states legislatures I don't think anybody is going to sneak one past us. GWB isn't the only one in this country who thinks some of the outright filth that passes for &quot;entertainment&quot; in this country needs regulating. Free speech isn't an &quot;absolute&quot; right, yelling FIRE in a crowded theater etc.... You don't work in the entertainment industry do you?

As for conservation of natural resources, I have no problem with it and think we should lessen our dependence on foreign oil. Buy the hybrid vehicles if you choose, lets build some more nuclear power plants, give tax credits to power companies who invest in renewable energy sources like hydro and wind.

As for the environment I will shout down any attempt at a hair brained scheme like the Kyoto treaty. It rapes our economy while letting the rest of the world off with a free pass. Most of your &quot;died in the wool&quot; environmentalists won't be happy till were forced to live like we did in the mid 1800's. Just try getting a new wind farm, hydro plant, or nuclear plant licensed and built. You'll be 10 years in court and millions in the hole before the first shovel of dirt is turned.

That's my idea of conservative.

[k6bbc]

Well how about that – we agree on something. I bought a Prius. Quite the ststus symbol here on the left coast.

As for regulating filth in entertainment – can we agree to remove the drug addict Rush from the air?

As for working in entertainment, guilty as charged. I even directed shows for The Playboy Channel. Don’t you wish you we were me? I even got my callsign out in CW in one of the shows.

bbc

[AC0H]

Quote[/b] ]As for regulating filth in entertainment – can we agree to remove the drug addict Rush from the air?
Why so fixated on Rush? You work in Hollowood, how many actors do you know that had/have a dependency on pain meds? They still get hired? Their shows still get aired?

I have a lot more sympathy for somone addicted to pain meds who's been in a lot of pain. Almost been there myself.

[k6bbc]

Quote[/b] (AC0H @ Nov. 16 2005,11:19)]Quote[/b] ]As for regulating filth in entertainment – can we agree to remove the drug addict Rush from the air?
Why so fixated on Rush? You work in Hollowood, how many actors do you know that had/have a dependency on pain meds? They still get hired? Their shows still get aired?

I have a lot more sympathy for somone addicted to pain meds who's been in a lot of pain. Almost been there myself.
Oh come on, he was just getting loaded - everybody knows that. He only went into rehab when he was caught.

[AC0H]

Quote[/b] ]Oh come on, he was just getting loaded - everybody knows that. #He only went into rehab when he was caught.
Then why hasn't he been charged? It's been more than a few months if not more than a year.

[VE3ECM]

Quote[/b] (AC0H @ Nov. 16 2005,10:54)]Some moron blabbered:
Quote[/b] ]
As for the environment I will shout down any attempt at a hair brained scheme like the Kyoto treaty. It rapes our economy while letting the rest of the world off with a free pass.
This just shows how much people like you rely on that oh-most-honest of news sources, Fux News.

Kyoto will *not* rape the US economy. I suggest you take a look at the numbers for many G8 countries who've ratified Kyoto... wow! Their economic growth has outpaced the US!

So much for that one.

The real answer is that Bush's lobbying oil toadies have thrown enough money around to keep the polits in DC from doing anything.

The apple is rotten to the core, people... on both sides of the fence. And it's not going to get any better.

[VE3ECM]

Quote[/b] (AC0H @ Nov. 16 2005,11:49)]Then why hasn't he been charged? It's been more than a few months if not more than a year.
The same reason other famous people get off easily... 'cause he has clout.

Duh.

[KE7DFP]

Quote[/b] (VE3ECM @ Nov. 16 2005,11:59)]Quote[/b] (AC0H @ Nov. 16 2005,10:54)]Some moron blabbered:
Quote[/b] ]
As for the environment I will shout down any attempt at a hair brained scheme like the Kyoto treaty. It rapes our economy while letting the rest of the world off with a free pass.
This just shows how much people like you rely on that oh-most-honest of news sources, Fux News.

Kyoto will *not* rape the US economy. I suggest you take a look at the numbers for many G8 countries who've ratified Kyoto... wow! Their economic growth has outpaced the US!

So much for that one.

The real answer is that Bush's lobbying oil toadies have thrown enough money around to keep the polits in DC from doing anything.

The apple is rotten to the core, people... on both sides of the fence. And it's not going to get any better.
Do you even know what the Kyoto treaty is? The #Kyoto treaty was never radified, so what do other nations economic status have to do with the effects of the Kyoto? As to the largest cable news channel, with almost 2/3 of the viewership, why is Fox news any worse than any other channel? #Oh, that's right, some areas of Canada are only allowed to watch #or think what the goverment allows them to. #Why do you care about FOX, isn't it illegal to watch in 3 land? Thanks for the advice on how to run an economy, will get back to you VE3s #when yours looks just peachy

[KE7DFP]

Quote[/b] (VE3ECM @ Nov. 16 2005,12:00)]Quote[/b] (AC0H @ Nov. 16 2005,11:49)]Then why hasn't he been charged? It's been more than a few months if not more than a year.
The same reason other famous people get off easily... 'cause he has clout.

Duh.
Care to prove that?

[k6bbc]

Quote[/b] (AC0H @ Nov. 16 2005,11:49)]Quote[/b] ]Oh come on, he was just getting loaded - everybody knows that. #He only went into rehab when he was caught.
Then why hasn't he been charged? It's been more than a few months if not more than a year.
You really are hardcore.

[AC0H]

Quote[/b] ]Kyoto will *not* rape the US economy. I suggest you take a look at the numbers for many G8 countries who've ratified Kyoto... wow! Their economic growth has outpaced the US!

This one is TOOO easy.
Quote[/b] ]Canada and the United States are expected to show the strongest signs of improvement. The eurozone, the United Kingdom, and Japan are expected to see slower growth. The leaders continue to cast a weary eye over trouble spots, such as Argentina, which is reeling from recent economic collapse.
Linky (http://www.guardian.co.uk/globalisation/story/0,7369,743694,00.html)

The US economy has been growing at 3-3.75% since then. Name one other G8 Kyoto signatory that matches or beats those numbers. UK, Germany, France, Canada, Russia, Japan,.........nope.

The U.S. has the biggest economy on the planet, equal to half the G8 combined. Kyoto would have brought us back down into parity with the rest of the G8. Hey......maybe Kyoto wasn't really about the environment but more about wealth re-distribution.

[k6bbc]

Quote[/b] (AC0H @ Nov. 16 2005,13:39)]Quote[/b] ]Kyoto will *not* rape the US economy. I suggest you take a look at the numbers for many G8 countries who've ratified Kyoto... wow! Their economic growth has outpaced the US!

This one is TOOO easy.
Quote[/b] ]Canada and the United States are expected to show the strongest signs of improvement. The eurozone, the United Kingdom, and Japan are expected to see slower growth. The leaders continue to cast a weary eye over trouble spots, such as Argentina, which is reeling from recent economic collapse.
Linky (http://www.guardian.co.uk/globalisation/story/0,7369,743694,00.html)

The US economy has been growing at 3-3.75% since then. Name one other G8 Kyoto signatory that matches or beats those numbers. UK, Germany, France, Canada, Russia, Japan,.........nope.

The U.S. has the biggest economy on the planet, equal to half the G8 combined. Kyoto would have brought us back down into parity with the rest of the G8. Hey......maybe Kyoto wasn't really about the environment but more about wealth re-distribution.
If everything is so great, why is Bush so unpopular?

[KG4CGC]

To the comment about wealth redistribution.
We don't need Kyoto for that, we have China.

&quot;Modern China, a testimony to your US dollars at work.&quot;

[AC0H]

The war.

The hurricanes and the percieved lack of response by the feds, which I don't agree with. When it comes right down to it expecting turn on a dime performance from the feds in any disaster is ridiculous. You have to be self sufficient enough to survive for 3-5 days without help.

Energy prices, which he has no control over what-so-ever. As a matter of fact congress has more control than he does. What's the feds take on every gallon of gas sold in this country? They could supend that for six months or so and haven't.

[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (KE7DFP @ Nov. 16 2005,09:53)]Neo Con my arse...Got the link working right. Scroll down to the figures on the page for previous presidents. No spin here, just the facts Danno, just the facts. Reagan spent 188% of the GNP in eight years. Clinton had the good fortune of presiding during the greatest economic and world shattering boom of it's history, he only had 18%. Bush comes in 2nd, right above him.
I'll dig deeper into the GNP connection when I get a chance, Randy. But, I'll tell you up-front that indexing the debt to the GNP is just a means of justifying &quot;drunken sailor&quot; spending, whether it's done by Rebublicans or Democrats. No true conservative would ever buy this (thus my neo-con comment).

The fact is, by the time GWB leaves office in 2009, one half of our national debt will have been accrued under the administrations of GWB and his dad. It will be $10 trillion or more by then. In pure dollars, the two biggest spenders the world has ever known. The fun part of this is that it can't be blamed on the war in Iraq. The spending on the war is actually paltry in comparison to overall spending.

I shouldn't have to remind anyone that debt is simply the difference between what is taken in and what is spent. To date, our government has spent $8 trillion more than it has taken in. About $2.5 trillion of this has been under the current GWB administration (he already holds the record, but is going for broke, so to speak). The government has no &quot;production&quot; so tying this to GNP simply transfers the debt to the producers. That'd be you and me, bay-bee. It's a shell game, and we ought to be smarter than that.

Liberal -- &quot;Tax and spend.&quot;
Conservative -- &quot;Don't tax and don't spend.&quot;
Neo-Con -- &quot;Don't tax but spend anyway.&quot;

Does the current administration even HAVE a fiscal policy? So far, the drunken sailor analogy seems to be doing a disservice to drunken sailors!

73, Rob

[KE7DFP]

I'm not saying there hasn't been way too much spending, I'm just saying people word it to make it sound as bad as possible. Going in debt 1 billion in JFK's time is like being 10 billion in debt today. #If a president inherits, say, a 10 billion dollar debt. it's going to be a billion in interest every 3 years. #So by the end of his presidency, if he runs a balanced spending/income and breaks even, he's still running a 12 billion dollar debt! #Three presidencies later, that debt on it's own has become more than 22 billion +, or doubled. So that's why I say, if your going to use statistics, you must be very careful how they are worded. #In this case they are deliberately skewed for politicval leverage. #It's like when Michael Moore brags that John Kerry had more votes than any President previous to him! #Well, Dah, There's twice as many voters as there were in say the 70's. #Mind, you, I'm not saying Bush hasn't spent way too much, I'm just saying when you guage it by inflation and percentages of GNP, it's not nearly as high as some people &quot;want&quot; the figure to sound. Remember too, the Feds have taken on a lot of expenses, especially in the Social support realm, that they didn't not have before the &quot;Great Society&quot;. #As our cities and populations skyrocket, so do Goverment supplied services and administrative #i envolvement (redt tape cost)....... #Mark Twain said, there's three kinds of lies, &quot;Lies, Damn lies, and Statistics!&quot; #Say Rob, you must be learning your new call any day now, let us know. # # # 73s # #Randy

[N9XR]

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB113216347138199155-5Z1Ri_om8ITUbV_jD2bx6maguMY_20061116.html?mod=tff_ main_tff_top

Bush's approval ratings are up to 34% now. Apparently many dead people and criminally insane are being polled.

N9XR

[N9XR]

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Nov. 11 2005,05:12)]Quote[/b] (K3XR @ Nov. 11 2005,13:04)]Not a bad speech, but he should have come out much stonger when it comes to the anti-Bush, anti-war, blame America first, rewrite history, crowd.
The longest journey begins with the first, small step.

Give him a chance, maybe he will awaken to the fact that he must refresh his links with us conservatives. I have been disappointed, but I still support him strongly.

We need to start looking seriously at 2008. George Allen?
George Allen sounds like the perfect candidate for 2008.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ Nov. 16 2005,18:26)]Does the current administration even HAVE a fiscal policy?
Yes, of course...it's based on the same policy they had in mind when they invaded Iraq.
Q: What we gonna do when we get in there (Iraq)?
A: aaah..........why do we have to do anything?

[kc7jty]

Oh my god!?.....it's like a bad dream. Remember Georgie's MANDATE right after his reelection?
KE7DFP's original post is a riot and I'll bet he still feels exactly the same way. Just like all the other &quot;patriots&quot;.

[w2amr]

He really need to get peoples minds off the war. I think it's time he dragged out the snow flake babies again. Awwwwwwww, ain't they cute.

[al2i]

I remember how we finally ran in defeated horror from Vietnam after years of stubborn stupidity and thousands of killed and maimed American slave-draftees who had zero-freedom to avoid the war after being drafted.

Iraq is different, as we will probably run in defeated horror from Iraq after years of stubborn stupidity and thousands of killed and maimed Americans, all of whom are volunteers with zero-freedom to avoid the war after volunteering.

[w2amr]

Quote[/b] (KE7DFP @ Nov. 11 2005,10:47)]Is anyone catching Bush's Veteran's Day speech? It's nothing short of......well....inspiring. #I've often felt that Bush was pursuing a strategy of: &quot;just don't even answer the ridiculuos assertions of the anti-crowd. # #Eventually it will go away and America's too smart to buy into their refrains. #Well, he's finally woken up and realized many Americas aren't smart enough to not buy into it. So he's thrown away the self reserve and started fighting back. &quot;It is irresponsible of the critics of the war to rewrite history&quot; #he's not going to tolerate all this B.S. anymore. In short, he;'s calling Bull on all the Democrat critics. One big difference, he can back up what he's saying.# The same refrains have been said over and over for so long, no one remembers what was really happening when we went to war. #It's a new Bush, you watch. #His poll numbers will go up from this speech alone, AND IF HE STAYS ON THIS TRACK, we'll be kickin' ass and taking names. #Radical Islam, you can run but you can't hide. Anti- war crowd, Bull, prove it; #you ought to be ashamed of yourselves. Your lying and America isn't going to take this anymore. #He came accross forceful, sincere, and as the powerful world leader that he is.
Yeah, he is really pissed.
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/b/a/bush_furiousgeorge2.jpg

[k9kxq]

Don't be fooled by the scare tactics of the republican party, get out and vote these crooks, liars, pedophiles out of our government...

kxq

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (k9kxq @ Oct. 21 2006,04:59)]Don't be fooled by the scare tactics of the republican party, get out and vote these crooks, liars, pedophiles out of our government...

kxq
Yep...so they can be replaced by: crooks, liars, pedophiles, cigar pokers, &amp; other Israel dee-votees.

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Oct. 21 2006,10:03)]Yep...so they can be replaced by: crooks, liars, pedophiles, cigar pokers, &amp; other Israel dee-votees.
Israel is destroying your life.

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (w2amr @ Oct. 21 2006,03:41)]Yeah, he is really pissed.
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/b/a/bush_furiousgeorge2.jpg
OMG that is funny!!!
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[W1GUH]

Quote[/b] (ki4lzk @ Nov. 10 2005,13:56)]I have to agree very seldom do you see Mr. Bush give a speech where there are not Military behind him. #Maybe its because he supports them so much, and realizes their sacrafice in the name of our country.

Maybe in speeches written by speech writers. #But sending our military forces into an action that is, without even addressing the &quot;Should have we..&quot; question, grossly underplanned, under-understood, and just plain incompetantly executed by our political leaders is not supporting our troops at all.

We didn't have enough manpower and materiel to commit to even the planned battle, much less the expensive mess we're in now. #

And how about the individual service person? #How are they supported?

Well, first, there was lack of adequate armor. #
Then, there was the absence of any realistic planning covering the post-invasion period (what we're in now).

Plus, our people are over there in harm's way with to idea when they'll be coming home. #It must really, really hurt to see your rotate-out date come, only to be told, &quot;Uh, sorry, ya gotta stay. #Better luck next time.&quot;

And life over there, with no way to let off steam (hey, we can't offend anyone), their life over there has to be a living nightmare.

I don't call this &quot;supporting our troops&quot;, and nobody else should, either. #

My friends, ya gotta take the time and energy and look behind what politicians say. #You simply cannot &quot;take their word for it&quot; that they're doing the job you think they are.

No matter how much you like a guy's looks and personality.

73,

de W1GUH

Paul

[k6bbc]

HERE COMES FLAG BURNING.

[w2amr]

Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ Oct. 21 2006,14:31)]HERE COMES FLAG BURNING.
No no, SSI next .Then flag burning, prayer in school, then back to gay marriage.
Program, getcha program here! Can't follow the smoke screens without a program!

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Oct. 21 2006,11:13)]Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Oct. 21 2006,10:03)]Yep...so they can be replaced by: crooks, liars, pedophiles, cigar pokers, &amp; other Israel dee-votees.
Israel is destroying your life.
I've got news for you Dave: It's destroying yours as well as everybody else's in this country.

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Oct. 21 2006,14:00)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ Oct. 21 2006,11:13)]Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Oct. 21 2006,10:03)]Yep...so they can be replaced by: crooks, liars, pedophiles, cigar pokers, &amp; other Israel dee-votees.
Israel is destroying your life.
I've got news for you Dave: It's destroying yours as well as everybody else's in this country.
By itself, Israel is a tiny scratch of desert nearly devoid of strategic resources in which one of the tiniest but hardest-working and hardest-thinking World minorities tries to eek out a living.

I would like to go tip a few with you and Mel so that I could try to understand your reasoning.

[KI4PEQ]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Oct. 21 2006,17:00)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ Oct. 21 2006,11:13)]Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Oct. 21 2006,10:03)]Yep...so they can be replaced by: crooks, liars, pedophiles, cigar pokers, &amp; other Israel dee-votees.
Israel is destroying your life.
I've got news for you Dave: It's destroying yours as well as everybody else's in this country.
Oh, we must act against the evil Jews! They are ruining our very existence!

Where have I heard that sentiment before? Let me think, oh yeah, I have it now!

Adolph Hitler, 1940

Say what you want, but the residents of Israel kick ass, take names, and don't take crap from any of the groups and nations who have called for their destruction since 1948. Like the Swiss, they don't HAVE an army, they ARE an army!

[N9XR]

Quote[/b] (KI4PEQ @ Oct. 21 2006,09:34)]Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Oct. 21 2006,17:00)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ Oct. 21 2006,11:13)]Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Oct. 21 2006,10:03)]Yep...so they can be replaced by: crooks, liars, pedophiles, cigar pokers, &amp; other Israel dee-votees.
Israel is destroying your life.
I've got news for you Dave: It's destroying yours as well as everybody else's in this country.
Oh, we must act against the evil Jews! They are ruining our very existence!

Where have I heard that sentiment before? Let me think, oh yeah, I have it now!

Adolph Hitler, 1940

Say what you want, but the residents of Israel kick ass, take names, and don't take crap from any of the groups and nations who have called for their destruction since 1948. Like the Swiss, they don't HAVE an army, they ARE an army!
I have indeed found many right wingers who totally support entitlements to extrordinary proportions.

It's only tax dollar. Right?

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Oct. 21 2006,15:20)]and hardest-thinking World minorities
Paully Wolfowitz is a hard thinker, look where his thinking got us.
..................look where it got him.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (KI4PEQ @ Oct. 21 2006,15:34)]Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Oct. 21 2006,17:00)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ Oct. 21 2006,11:13)]Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Oct. 21 2006,10:03)]Yep...so they can be replaced by: crooks, liars, pedophiles, cigar pokers, &amp; other Israel dee-votees.
Israel is destroying your life.
I've got news for you Dave: It's destroying yours as well as everybody else's in this country.
Oh, we must act against the evil Jews! They are ruining our very existence!

Where have I heard that sentiment before? Let me think, oh yeah, I have it now!

Adolph Hitler, 1940

Say what you want, but the residents of Israel kick ass, take names, and don't take crap from any of the groups and nations who have called for their destruction since 1948. Like the Swiss, they don't HAVE an army, they ARE an army!
typical American knee jerk response.

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Oct. 21 2006,19:43)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ Oct. 21 2006,15:20)]and hardest-thinking World minorities
Paully Wolfowitz is a hard thinker, look where his thinking got us.
..................look where it got him.
He lives in Chevy Chase, MD.

[k4kyv]

Quote[/b] (KE7DFP @ Nov. 11 2005,10:47)]Is anyone catching Bush's Veteran's Day speech? It's nothing short of......well....inspiring... Well, he's finally woken up... So he's thrown away the self reserve and started fighting back... he's not going to tolerate all this B.S. anymore... he can back up what he's saying. It's a new Bush, you watch. His poll numbers will go up from this speech alone, AND IF HE STAYS ON THIS TRACK, we'll be kickin' ass and taking names. ... He came accross forceful, sincere, and as the powerful world leader that he is.
And now, one year later?

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Oct. 22 2006,01:03)]Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Oct. 21 2006,19:43)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ Oct. 21 2006,15:20)]and hardest-thinking World minorities
Paully Wolfowitz is a hard thinker, look where his thinking got us.
..................look where it got him.
He lives in Chevy Chase, MD.
He's also the head of the world bank.

[N9XR]

Quote[/b] (AC0H @ Nov. 15 2005,05:20)]Quote[/b] ]What is your major malfunction over there? Is mentioning Bill Clinton every time Bush is criticized some sort of defense? It is the weakest of all arguments. Clinton has been gone for FIVE YEARS! Get over him already. Any problem Bush has is of his own making.

My &quot;major malfunction&quot; is your rank hypocrisy.
Listening to you and the other mindless liberal sheep in this thread you'd think Bush was the first and only president to who's approval rating fell below 40%.

Why is it you liberals get so defensive about the child molester?
I thought it was the republicans defensive of Foley?

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Oct. 23 2006,08:44)]I thought it was the republicans defensive of Foley?
I don't understand why the Republicans rolled over so easy on the Foley thing. As I understand it, he never did anything to a kid. It is as if they are humiliated because he is homosexual.

[M3ZEV]

if bush was awol then why was he not charged for desersion ?
instead he becomes the leader of the nation .