Secession is in order

[k6bbc]

Okay, yesterday it was Kansas, today San Francisco.

Measure I, dubbed "College Not Combat," was a symbolic non-binding initiative that opposed the presence of military recruiters at public high schools and colleges. #IT PASSED!

Now, I’m not a violent person, but it makes me want to punch out about 6 out of 10 voters in SF (and you have to know the snobs in SF HATE being called S.F. or Frisco.). #HA HA. #So I guess they expect military recruitment to come from everywhere else and to protect their sorry asses. #Give me a break.

Personally, I believe everywhere North of Daily City and South of the Oregon boarder should become its own country. #They will have one hell of an army.

K6BBC

[KE7DFP]

Great idea! #But why not just join the Union with Oregon and the rest of the salt-of-the-earth. #Where not a lot un alike. #Oregon is just a blue state by a hair. #It is only L.A. and Frisco illegal aliens that have moved into our cities, who oppose the good country folk. #Their ideas ruined Frisco, now they think they know what's best and will ram their ideas down the throats of the good folks here. #Together we could easily out number the interlopers. #We could form a new region called "Coregonia" and our electoral votes would skyrocket from 2 to twenty. #WE WOULD BE A FORCE TO BE RECONDED WITH.

[WA5KRP]

BBC,


Every now and then you amaze me. I'm withya on this one, pally. I wish you Governor had been shown greater support on Tuesday's ballot.



WA5KRP
Texas

[kl7aj]

Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ Nov. 10 2005,10:32)]Okay, yesterday it was Kansas, today San Francisco.

Measure I, dubbed "College Not Combat," was a symbolic non-binding initiative that opposed the presence of military recruiters at public high schools and colleges. #IT PASSED!

Now, I’m not a violent person, but it makes me want to punch out about 6 out of 10 voters in SF (and you have to know the snobs in SF HATE being called S.F. or Frisco.). #HA HA. #So I guess they expect military recruitment to come from everywhere else and to protect their sorry asses. #Give me a break.

Personally, I believe everywhere North of Daily City and South of the Oregon boarder should become its own country. #They will have one hell of an army.

K6BBC
Actually you could include the Peoples Republic of Oregon in that too. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

eric

[AC0H]

Between this measure and the one the other day banning the manufacture, sale, and possesion of guns inside city limits, I think you could arguably make the point that a vast majority of SFer's have been smoking the tie dye instead of applying it to T-shirts.

When the next "Big One" happens in SF they'll be running back to the feds with arms wide open. Maybe the US congress should pass a law that states you don't have to allow recuiters on campus to recruit for the armed services that protect us all, but when you do you lose ALL federal money for highways, social programs, etc....

If the feds can do it for speed limits and drinking ages why not this?

I can hear Diane Feinstein yelping already. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[WA5KRP]

One further comment. I hope Nissan (http://www.dailybreeze.com/news/nationworld/articles/1959997.html) doesn't reflect a general trend. It's departure is not a good omen.



WA5KRP
Texas

[KI6ASV]

State War! NoCal vs. SoCal - the winner gets to keep the water. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[kf6rdn]

Quote[/b] (WA5KRP @ Nov. 10 2005,10:42)]BBC,


Every now and then you amaze me. #I'm withya on this one, pally. #I wish you Governor had been shown greater support on Tuesday's ballot.



WA5KRP
Texas
I think Arnold's admin blew that a little. The union i.e. mafioso began a smear campaign over a year ago, which Arnold largely ignored until a couple months ago.

[AC0H]

Quote[/b] ]One further comment. #I hope Nissan doesn't reflect a general trend. #It's departure is not a good omen.

Interesting timing.
I saw a blub on Bloomfield this morning that Nissan is moving to Tennesee because of the "environment" in Cali. The move may not be good for Cali but will be much appreciated in Tennessee. Maybe that had something to do with it.

[KI6ASV]

Quote[/b] (kf6rdn @ Nov. 10 2005,11:14)]I think Arnold's admin blew that a little. #
I think he should have really pushed the fact that 2 years ago he was voted in because the people of California wanted change - the props were the chance to have that change - We Cali's blew it too. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

BTW - Voters in San Diego County (by percentage) approved his props. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[al2i]

California is our nation's most populous <s>asylum</s> state.

[kf6rdn]

Quote[/b] (KI6ASV @ Nov. 10 2005,11:40)]Quote[/b] (kf6rdn @ Nov. 10 2005,11:14)]I think Arnold's admin blew that a little. #
I think he should have really pushed the fact that 2 years ago he was voted in because the people of California wanted change - the props were the chance to have that change - We Cali's blew it too. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

BTW - Voters in San Diego County (by percentage) approved his props. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
I think there was ALOT he could have said, and said better if he tried more directness, less political babble.

I liked the way McClintock spoke, but then I liked him for Gov candidate, no political B S doublespeak.

He REALLY neeed to fight the &quot;he hates firemen&quot; and the tachers union &quot;he's stealing money from the CHILDREN&quot; campaigns. I saw very little of that, and in talking to people that was what they believed..

O.C supported it as well.. Probably the SCV did, it's sorta conservative here, although that seems to be changing.

[KD6NIG]

Quote[/b] (kf6rdn @ Nov. 10 2005,11:14)]Quote[/b] (WA5KRP @ Nov. 10 2005,10:42)]BBC,


Every now and then you amaze me. #I'm withya on this one, pally. #I wish you Governor had been shown greater support on Tuesday's ballot.



WA5KRP
Texas
I think Arnold's admin blew that a little. #The union i.e. mafioso began a smear campaign over a year ago, which Arnold largely ignored until a couple months ago.
Personally, I think he bit off more than he could chew.

I understand wanting to reform government and government operations, but a SLOW transition to what he wanted would have worked better than a nice quick change on all fronts.

The shock value of what he would have proposed would have been lessened easily if he would have taken it one step at a time.

As for N Ca vs S Ca-yeah, we have our loonies in SF, but the way I see it, thats the price you pay for us sending you our water. If you want to lose the loonies, fine, but I'm not going for this 'split but we still get the water'. Especially since I have seen news recently reporting mudslides and sinkholes down there.

Sounds like you're not mangaging your water too well.

And speaking of N CA people being nuts, thats fine, you can refer to us like that all you can want....but we were smart enough to build our homes where the water was......

I would say it wasn't too intelligent to build where there wasn't water, then rely on the NUTS of N. CA to supply you with it http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[KI6ASV]

The talk radio shows are buzzing that Warren Beatty may run for Gov next time around - What??? Good Lord! Welcome to the jungle - it get's worse here everyday. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[k6bbc]

Quote[/b] (KI6ASV @ Nov. 10 2005,12:01)]The talk radio shows are buzzing that Warren Beatty may run for Gov next time around - What??? Good Lord! Welcome to the jungle - it get's worse here everyday. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
There is NO CHANCE of that -- you can bank on it. You heard it hear first.

[k6bbc]

Quote[/b] (kf6rdn @ Nov. 10 2005,11:52)]I liked the way #McClintock #spoke, but then I liked him for Gov candidate, no political B S doublespeak.
He's from my town. We like him very much here.

[al2i]

I tried to start a cutting-edge, vibrant poll to see which state was better, California or Kansas, but the &quot;New Poll&quot; button appears to be broken.

[KG6OPR]

....Hell just give California back to Mexico let Fox deal with the whole &quot;Stinkin' Mess!&quot; #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif I for one is Fed up of the Idiots up in the city by the bay. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[KI6ASV]

Quote[/b] (KG6OPR @ Nov. 10 2005,12:28)]....Hell just give California back to Mexico let Fox deal with the whole &quot;Stinkin' Mess!&quot;
I think that's in the works - (i.e. no borders, amnesty)

Mexifornia - it's has a nice ring to it. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[KD6NIG]

Quote[/b] (KI6ASV @ Nov. 10 2005,12:01)]The talk radio shows are buzzing that Warren Beatty may run for Gov next time around - What??? Good Lord! Welcome to the jungle - it get's worse here everyday. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
Yet another in the line of &quot;Stars&quot; that has governed this state. I don't know why people think that because someone is a star, they are gov material, though.

[W2ILP]

k6bbc

IMHO the recruiters can't find many smart kids in high schools or colleges who would let themselves be recruited. . They have to look elsewhere for unemployed uneducated kids who have dropped out. # They are now looking for kids who can't even read well enough to pass the old military literacy tests. #They won't find the sort of kids who can't read at all...even in American colleges and certainy not in the fine California colleges.

Now if we want to believe that the U.S.A. is a powerful rich nation that can control and occupy all of the countries of the world that hate us...then by all means have a draft that will call all able bodied Americans ...rich and poor ...educated and uneducated....to serve our nation.
BUT
If we want to limit our world domination to sane humanistic levels it may be possible that we can exist without ever putting troops on the ground to occupy any nation. #It is not humanistic I believe but we would just have to bomb any nation that threatens us without resorting to hand to hand combat or occupation. #This is pretty much what Clinton did before 9/11and before the fervor of 9/11 enabled GWB to attack and occupy Iraq....with &quot;boots on the ground&quot;.

I see where Arnold is getting a good deal of opposition from Democrat voters and disapointed Republicans who now agree with the Democrats. #Arnold can not win any significant support by proposing to make life harder for school teachers, librarians and other public servers. #If you want to serve wealthy special interest groups you can not expect support from the educated middle class who are in the majority among California's voters.
.
My daughter lives in CA near LA and she votes against anything that Arnold proposes.

w2ilp (Ignorant Lousy Propositions?)...BUT not the proposition to keep recruiters out of schools.

[KG6OPR]

Quote[/b] (KD6NIG @ Nov. 10 2005,12:41)]Quote[/b] (KI6ASV @ Nov. 10 2005,12:01)]The talk radio shows are buzzing that Warren Beatty may run for Gov next time around - What??? Good Lord! Welcome to the jungle - it get's worse here everyday. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
Yet another in the line of &quot;Stars&quot; that has governed this state. #I don't know why people think that because someone is a star, they are gov material, though.
Mel Brooks was a GOV in &quot;Blazing Saddles.&quot; http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[K0RGR]

Well, we in NORTH California cheered every year when the annual resolution to split the state into two along the Tehachapi Range was introduced. Every year, SOUTH California politicians shoot it down so they can continue to take the water from up north. I thought there was hope when the Peripheral Canal was voted down years ago - for the first time we in the NORTH had enough votes to overcome the thirsting minions in LA. But it must not have lasted...

NORTH California used to be the more conservative of the two places, in spite of San Francisco.

[KE7DFP]

Once again, you have the logical result of insanity when the Liberal Cretins get to implement their absurd policies.

[W2ILP]

Some experts have said that if we want Iraqis to live in peace we should split Iraq into three countries so that the three major Islamic groups can each have their own nation...and then if trouble exists we would have divided and could easily conquer.

Now k0rgr wants to split up the golden state of California...where all have prospered from its vast diversity. #It is not entirely due to religious differences...hmmmm...Could the cultural differences be due to people who just can not keep up with he changing diverse cultures of many of the occupants of the most progressive state in the U.S.A.?

w2ilp (Intolerant LA People)....Nah it is the northern CA people who are often intolerant...ask Jay Leno.

[KD7ZRT]

Quote[/b] (KE7DFP @ Nov. 10 2005,10:41)]We could form a new region called &quot;Coregonia&quot; and our electoral votes would skyrocket from 2 to twenty. WE WOULD BE A FORCE TO BE RECONDED WITH.
Why not pay respect to the history of the secession movement by calling it the State of Jefferson (http://jeffersonstate.com/)?

I think the Californians moving here are less a problem than people's general ignorance of our local history and culture. The events that have shaped Oregon, such as the State of Jefferson secession movement, the Vanport flood, or the Modoc war, don't seem to make it into the schools' history books, and apparently nobody is willing to study local history on their own.

[W2ILP]

Def

No Liberal Cretins...implementing anything...

just...

w2ilp (IMPLEMENTING LOGICAL POLICIES)

[KD6NIG]

Quote[/b] (K0RGR @ Nov. 10 2005,12:51)]Well, we in NORTH California cheered every year when the annual resolution to split the state into two along the Tehachapi Range was introduced. Every year, SOUTH California politicians shoot it down so they can continue to take the water from up north. I thought there was hope when the Peripheral Canal was voted down years ago - for the first time we in the NORTH had enough votes to overcome the thirsting minions in LA. But it must not have lasted...

NORTH California used to be the more conservative of the two places, in spite of San Francisco.
I've always wondered why people build where there is no water, then complain when they cannot take water from someone else.

I think Las Vegas is discovering this now also, except thier problem is there isn't really anyone out there who can give it to them, either.

Sure, we're wacky, goofy, or whatever you want to say about us here in N CA according to S Ca, but at least we are where the water is http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[k6pme]

Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ Nov. 10 2005,10:32)]Personally, I believe everywhere North of Daily City and South of the Oregon boarder should become its own country. #They will have one hell of an army.

K6BBC
Oh man....You have GOT to be kidding there! Do you really think that San Francisco and the rest of NoCal could ever possibly get along? I would split it at Bakersfield and then split it again along the entire northern coast to 50-75 miles inland. But don't forget, Ah-nold came from SoCal so they get to keep him. And yes, Eastern California would have a GREAT army. And the timber, and the agriculture, and the cattle industry, and most of Intel, and 90% of the water, and........

[k6pme]

Quote[/b] (K0RGR @ Nov. 10 2005,12:51)]NORTH California used to be the more conservative of the two places, in spite of San Francisco.
With the exception of the coast it still is but we are badly out voted in the numbers game.

[KD6NIG]

Quote[/b] (KG6QQL @ Nov. 10 2005,13:28)]Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ Nov. 10 2005,10:32)]Personally, I believe everywhere North of Daily City and South of the Oregon boarder should become its own country. #They will have one hell of an army.

K6BBC
Oh man....You have GOT to be kidding there! Do you really think that San Francisco and the rest of NoCal could ever possibly get along? I would split it at Bakersfield and then split it again along the entire northern coast to 50-75 miles inland. But don't forget, Ah-nold came from SoCal so they get to keep him. And yes, Eastern California would have a GREAT army. And the timber, and the agriculture, and the cattle industry, and most of Intel, and 90% of the water, and........
I'd agree with that, provided you take all of the people from the bay that moved into the valley to escape high home prices, and make them return to where they once came.

Otherwise, you may want to rethink that split as the San Joaquin Valley as well as Sacramento/Elk Grove/Natomas is full of Bay Area people who cashed in on thier homes and moved here, banking a few hundred thou in the process http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Remove them all, and your plan may work, otherwise, sure, a good portion of what you say will be 'removed', but we will still have some of them here http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[KD6NIG]

RIVERSIDE, Calif. — The winner of a school board election didn't campaign, attend forums or even go to any school board meetings before the vote — because he was in jail.

Hmmm....and all the wackos are in N Ca, eh?

[n2nh]

Let's see, we know what New York stands for, Newer York. And we know what Florida stands for &quot;Land of flowers&quot;. What the heck does California stand for??

[k6pme]

Quote[/b] (KD6NIG @ Nov. 10 2005,14:02)]Quote[/b] (KG6QQL @ Nov. 10 2005,13:28)]Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ Nov. 10 2005,10:32)]Personally, I believe everywhere North of Daily City and South of the Oregon boarder should become its own country. #They will have one hell of an army.

K6BBC
Oh man....You have GOT to be kidding there! Do you really think that San Francisco and the rest of NoCal could ever possibly get along? I would split it at Bakersfield and then split it again along the entire northern coast to 50-75 miles inland. But don't forget, Ah-nold came from SoCal so they get to keep him. And yes, Eastern California would have a GREAT army. And the timber, and the agriculture, and the cattle industry, and most of Intel, and 90% of the water, and........
I'd agree with that, provided you take all of the people from the bay that moved into the valley to escape high home prices, and make them return to where they once came.

Otherwise, you may want to rethink that split as the San Joaquin Valley as well as Sacramento/Elk Grove/Natomas is full of Bay Area people who cashed in on thier homes and moved here, banking a few hundred thou in the process http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Remove them all, and your plan may work, otherwise, sure, a good portion of what you say will be 'removed', but we will still have some of them here http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Hmm...good idea! I like it. Maybe from Sacramento to say, Fresno. Or maybe about the Turlock area. But it would have to include the foothills also.

But what would we do with all that suburbanized farmland?

[KD6NIG]

Quote[/b] (KG6QQL @ Nov. 10 2005,16:52)]Quote[/b] (KD6NIG @ Nov. 10 2005,14:02)]Quote[/b] (KG6QQL @ Nov. 10 2005,13:28)]Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ Nov. 10 2005,10:32)]Personally, I believe everywhere North of Daily City and South of the Oregon boarder should become its own country. #They will have one hell of an army.

K6BBC
Oh man....You have GOT to be kidding there! Do you really think that San Francisco and the rest of NoCal could ever possibly get along? I would split it at Bakersfield and then split it again along the entire northern coast to 50-75 miles inland. But don't forget, Ah-nold came from SoCal so they get to keep him. And yes, Eastern California would have a GREAT army. And the timber, and the agriculture, and the cattle industry, and most of Intel, and 90% of the water, and........
I'd agree with that, provided you take all of the people from the bay that moved into the valley to escape high home prices, and make them return to where they once came.

Otherwise, you may want to rethink that split as the San Joaquin Valley as well as Sacramento/Elk Grove/Natomas is full of Bay Area people who cashed in on thier homes and moved here, banking a few hundred thou in the process http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Remove them all, and your plan may work, otherwise, sure, a good portion of what you say will be 'removed', but we will still have some of them here http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Hmm...good idea! I like it. Maybe from Sacramento to say, Fresno. Or maybe about the Turlock area. But it would have to include the foothills also.

But what would we do with all that suburbanized farmland?
The vacencies created will cause a glut in the housing market, allowing poor (and I stress POOR) saps like myself to actually maybe be able to afford a house with only working 2 jobs instead of five http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

And by not sending our vehicle registration, gas tax and other dollars to the south, who knows, maybe we'll actually get highway potholes filled in within 10 years. Better than now at least.

Imagine if you moved them out of the Stockton area alone-there would be no need to widen the Tracy triangle!

[k6pme]

Quote[/b] (KD6NIG @ Nov. 10 2005,17:18)]Quote[/b] (KG6QQL @ Nov. 10 2005,16:52)]Quote[/b] (KD6NIG @ Nov. 10 2005,14:02)]Quote[/b] (KG6QQL @ Nov. 10 2005,13:28)]Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ Nov. 10 2005,10:32)]Personally, I believe everywhere North of Daily City and South of the Oregon boarder should become its own country. #They will have one hell of an army.

K6BBC
Oh man....You have GOT to be kidding there! Do you really think that San Francisco and the rest of NoCal could ever possibly get along? I would split it at Bakersfield and then split it again along the entire northern coast to 50-75 miles inland. But don't forget, Ah-nold came from SoCal so they get to keep him. And yes, Eastern California would have a GREAT army. And the timber, and the agriculture, and the cattle industry, and most of Intel, and 90% of the water, and........
I'd agree with that, provided you take all of the people from the bay that moved into the valley to escape high home prices, and make them return to where they once came.

Otherwise, you may want to rethink that split as the San Joaquin Valley as well as Sacramento/Elk Grove/Natomas is full of Bay Area people who cashed in on thier homes and moved here, banking a few hundred thou in the process http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Remove them all, and your plan may work, otherwise, sure, a good portion of what you say will be 'removed', but we will still have some of them here http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Hmm...good idea! I like it. Maybe from Sacramento to say, Fresno. Or maybe about the Turlock area. But it would have to include the foothills also.

But what would we do with all that suburbanized farmland?
The vacencies created will cause a glut in the housing market, allowing poor (and I stress POOR) saps like myself to actually maybe be able to afford a house with only working 2 jobs instead of five http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

And by not sending our vehicle registration, gas tax and other dollars to the south, who knows, maybe we'll actually get highway potholes filled in within 10 years. #Better than now at least.

Imagine if you moved them out of the Stockton area alone-there would be no need to widen the Tracy triangle!
WOW, this is getting better and better by the minute. Hey we BOTH can buy a house!

But if you moved them out of Stockton you wouldn't need the Tracy triangle. Not only that but Hwy 26 might even be safe to drive again. Can you imagine actually driving the speed limit all the way over the Altamont? Haven't seen that in years!

So when do we start this great plan?

[n2nh]

While we're all doing this splitting up, can we ditch Upstate New York? They're total 'tards (take yer pick - it'll work). We send $100 up in taxes and are lucky if we get 5c back. They will consistantly vote the opposite way we do. If we need to get state aid for anything and it's on a referendum, they'll vote it down. Let's see how they do when the NYC Metro area isn't their cash cow.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[N0CTO]

Quote:
My daughter lives in CA near LA and she votes against anything that Arnold proposes.

Well there's an informed voter. It's nice to see that people actually consider the issues and not vote their hatred or bias.

[kf6rdn]

Quote[/b] (N0CTO @ Nov. 10 2005,23:44)]Quote:
My daughter lives in CA near LA and she votes against anything that Arnold proposes.

Well there's an informed voter. It's nice to see that people actually consider the issues and not vote their hatred or bias.
Exactly - either their bias, or whoever bought the most commercials on Oprah.

[k6pme]

Quote[/b] (KE7DLG @ Nov. 10 2005,23:12)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ Nov. 10 2005,05:48)]California is our nation's most populous <s>asylum</s> state.
After having lived out there for 24 years (born and raised) which I considered serving 24 years of a life sentence, I would have to say that you crossed out the wrong word. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Don't get me wrong...I am not slamming the people, I just needed more breathing room than I could find there anymore. Of course Calif to Wyoming in one step was a major culture shock. It was different to walk down the street seeing people I had never seen before and they would say &quot;good morning&quot; and not be demanding the forfieture of my wallet.
Where in California did you come from? Where I grew up NOT saying good morning was considered rude. But I also remember buying the morning paper. It would be a bundle on the sidewalk and the first person to come along cut the strings and took one, leaving the change on the sidewalk. As the paper stack went down the change pile got bigger. I don't ever remember hearing it stolen. Society was polite because they RESPECTED one another. Road rage was a contest on giving the OTHER person the right of way, whether it was their turn or not.

Yea, I miss those days in growning up in Placerville. It was a regular Mayberry. It's not like that anymore.

[K8ERV]

I thot that Calif left the Union a long time ago, along with Quebec.

TOM K8ERV Montrose Colo

[K0RGR]

Quote[/b] (KG6QQL @ Nov. 10 2005,13:31)]Quote[/b] (K0RGR @ Nov. 10 2005,12:51)]NORTH California used to be the more conservative of the two places, in spite of San Francisco.
With the exception of the coast it still is but we are badly out voted in the numbers game.
Well, the liberalism has spread east out of the Bay area and outward from the Sacto area, and particularly from around Davis and even Fresno so it is much more of a blue state than it used to be. But of course, if you go far north, you get close to Oregon, which is practically Idaho, but I said Conservative, not Reactionary.

[w5klb]

Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Nov. 10 2005,14:42)]#What the heck does California stand for??
Kalyfornia: It's Mexican &quot;slang&quot; for &quot;Grainola&quot;.

[W2ILP]

Actually I've been to Marysville in Northern California when I got to work at Beale Air Force Base.
I remember seeing a lot of old fools panning for gold dust there. They must have been Republicans. Anyway they are different froim the different folks in San Diego, Los Angeles and San Francisco.
Maybe the Northern Californians have very different values. Maybe they need a state of their own.
Who else dreams that they might get rich quick and wants to be sure to tax the poor just in case they do?

Enuf sed.

w2ilp (Ignorant Limited Prospects?)

[W2ILP]

Actually California was named by the Spaniards. It means &quot;Land of the Caliphs&quot;, which means the land of the beautiful oasis places in Arabia. Ironic isn't it?

w2ilp (Ironically Labeled Place?)

[K8ERV]

ILP-- You just gotta go!!!

TOM K8ERV Montrose Colo

[K8ERV]

Quote[/b] (KE7DFP @ Nov. 10 2005,13:02)]Once again, you have the logical result of insanity when the Liberal Cretins get to implement their absurd policies.
Did someone call??

TOM K8ERV Montrose Colo

[K7JBQ]

Quote[/b] (KD7ZRT @ Nov. 10 2005,13:05)]I think the Californians moving here are less a problem than people's general ignorance of our local history and culture. The events that have shaped Oregon, such as the State of Jefferson secession movement, the Vanport flood, or the Modoc war, don't seem to make it into the schools' history books, and apparently nobody is willing to study local history on their own.
At least the Vanport Flood bequeathed the City of Portland a fine motor racing circuit. Lousy restrooms, of course, but a neat little track. Instant urban renewal at its finest.

Good point about history, though. Nobody knows squat about it any more. I wonder how many Oregon hams think Sam FB Morse and Wayne Morse were brothers.

73,
Bill

[k6bbc]

Quote[/b] (K8ERV @ Nov. 12 2005,10:26)]Quote[/b] (KE7DFP @ Nov. 10 2005,13:02)]Once again, you have the logical result of insanity when the Liberal Cretins get to implement their absurd policies.
Did someone call??

TOM K8ERV #Montrose Colo
DFP, why do you name call. It shows your total corrupt thinking and viewpoint.

[KD6NIG]

Quote[/b] (KG6QQL @ Nov. 10 2005,18:04)]Quote[/b] (KD6NIG @ Nov. 10 2005,17:18)]Quote[/b] (KG6QQL @ Nov. 10 2005,16:52)]Quote[/b] (KD6NIG @ Nov. 10 2005,14:02)]Quote[/b] (KG6QQL @ Nov. 10 2005,13:28)]Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ Nov. 10 2005,10:32)]Personally, I believe everywhere North of Daily City and South of the Oregon boarder should become its own country. #They will have one hell of an army.

K6BBC
Oh man....You have GOT to be kidding there! Do you really think that San Francisco and the rest of NoCal could ever possibly get along? I would split it at Bakersfield and then split it again along the entire northern coast to 50-75 miles inland. But don't forget, Ah-nold came from SoCal so they get to keep him. And yes, Eastern California would have a GREAT army. And the timber, and the agriculture, and the cattle industry, and most of Intel, and 90% of the water, and........
I'd agree with that, provided you take all of the people from the bay that moved into the valley to escape high home prices, and make them return to where they once came.

Otherwise, you may want to rethink that split as the San Joaquin Valley as well as Sacramento/Elk Grove/Natomas is full of Bay Area people who cashed in on thier homes and moved here, banking a few hundred thou in the process http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Remove them all, and your plan may work, otherwise, sure, a good portion of what you say will be 'removed', but we will still have some of them here http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Hmm...good idea! I like it. Maybe from Sacramento to say, Fresno. Or maybe about the Turlock area. But it would have to include the foothills also.

But what would we do with all that suburbanized farmland?
The vacencies created will cause a glut in the housing market, allowing poor (and I stress POOR) saps like myself to actually maybe be able to afford a house with only working 2 jobs instead of five http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

And by not sending our vehicle registration, gas tax and other dollars to the south, who knows, maybe we'll actually get highway potholes filled in within 10 years. #Better than now at least.

Imagine if you moved them out of the Stockton area alone-there would be no need to widen the Tracy triangle!
WOW, this is getting better and better by the minute. Hey we BOTH can buy a house!

But if you moved them out of Stockton you wouldn't need the Tracy triangle. Not only that but Hwy 26 might even be safe to drive again. Can you imagine actually driving the speed limit all the way over the Altamont? Haven't seen that in years!

So when do we start this great plan?
Contrary to popular belief, there is a time you can drive the speed limit on Interstate 205.

2am to about 2:30am, roughly.

I wouldn't mind this plan being implemented immedietely, either.

The only bad thing about Arnolds' slate of things was that because most people thought the ENTIRE election was his stuff, they voted against EVERYTHING, not just the 4 he put out there. I personally would have liked to see our power regulation put back to the way it was, but that one went down to defeat with all of the rest.

As for when you want to do this, yesterday would be perfectly acceptable to me http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Heck, if they would fix that one massive pothole I have to dodge every morning on the way to work right after the split, I may even quit complaining for a year or 2.

After visiting my parents this weekend, we reached the consensus that although LA traffic is thick, it usually is moving now, at least when they went down there last. My father agreed with me that the Bay Area/Tracy area is worse now, with Sacramento right behind it.

So the sooner you want to move them all back, the better, in my opinion.

And PLEASE, people of California. The next governor you elect must be able to pronounce the name of the state correctly as a minimum. Thank you.

[ka5s]

Visit scenic Bodega Bay, NEVADA!


Cortland
KA5S

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Nov. 10 2005,14:42)]Let's see, we know what New York stands for, Newer York. And we know what Florida stands for &quot;Land of flowers&quot;. What the heck does California stand for??
You can read abuot the origin of the name &quot;California&quot; here.

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origen_del_nombre_de_California

The name Alaska is derived from the Aleut word &quot;Alyeska,&quot; meaning &quot;great land.&quot;

[KG4CGC]

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Nov. 15 2005,04:16)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Nov. 10 2005,14:42)]Let's see, we know what New York stands for, Newer York. #And we know what Florida stands for &quot;Land of flowers&quot;. #What the heck does California stand for??
You can read abuot the origin of the name &quot;California&quot; here.

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origen_del_nombre_de_California

The name Alaska is derived from the Aleut word &quot;Alyeska,&quot; meaning &quot;great land.&quot;
In English.

The name of California or something similar, or existed before the discovery of America or first exploration of the European by those earth. The first time that appears writing so name was in the Song of Roldán or Chanson de Roland or Hruodland, épica novel with scene in the French Britain of the century VIII that talks about to the defeat suffered by the army rear services of Carlomagno Emperor at hands of the Moors in the defile of Roncesvalles. In a part of the poem or it develops is written the Califerne word, without granting importance to him. Morz est my nies ki tant soleis cunquere Li Saisne finds mei revelerunt ET Hungré ET tante Bugre ET gent to aver itself, Romain, cil Puillain ET tuit of Palerne And cil d'Affrike and cil of Califerne. (Verse CCIX of the Chanson de Roland.) Died he is my nephew who conquered so many earth, and now sajones was rebelled against me, and Hungarian and the Bulgarians and so many others, the Romans, those of Pulla and those of Palermo and those of Africa and those of Califerne. Song of Roldán, century XI Cristobal Columbus, newspaper of the first trip. Dixéronle the Indians whom by that route the island of Matinino would find, that diz that was populated with mugeres without men, which the admiral wanted much to take diz that to six Kings five or d'ellas. (.. .) but diz that was certain that it prepares them and that certain time of the year the men came to them from the this island of Carib, that diz that qúestava d'ellas ten or doze leguas, and if give birth boy enbiábanlo to the island of the men, and if young, dexávanla with himself The legendary island, fourth letter of relation of Courteous Hernán In the fourth Letter of Relation, dated in Mexico the 15 of October of 1524, write Courteous Hernán, going to the king of Spain, of the certain news about a legendary island, the news that had been brought him by the captain who had made the conquest of Sights on. And also it brought relation to me of the gentlemen of the province of Cihuatlán, who affirm much of having all an island populated with women, without man no, and that in certain times goes of the Earth signs men who with them are access. . . . and if they stop women, they keep them; and if men, throw them of their company; and that this island is to ten days of this province; and that many dellos have gone there and they have seen it. Dícenme also that are very rich in per them and gold; I will work in having equipment of knowing the truth and to do of it releases relation to your Majesty. Courteous Hernán. Fourth letter of relation. With those beautiful stories of amazons the name was born of California. Another story and we finished more. The Sergas de Esplandián &quot;You know that at the skilful hand of the Indians a called island Californian of a flank of the Terrenal Paradise exists closely together; and it was populated by black women, without a man existed there, because they lived to the way of the amazons. They were of beautiful and robust bodies, ardent value and great force. Its island was more hard worldwide, with its escarped farallones and its stony coasts. Their arms were all of gold and of the same metal they were the harnesses of the wild beasts that they were used to taming to mount them, because in all the island there was no another metal that the gold. The Sergas de Esplandián, (cavalry novel) By Garci'a Ordo'ñez de Montalvo. Published in Seville in 1510. Since then, that stranger and inabordable Island of the Amazon would happen to be called Californian. The name by the others was not nothing new, Garci'a Ordo'ñez found when reading the Song of Roldán. The left earth receive the name of California and Courteous Hernán enters to history like its discoverer. A mocking enemy of Courteous to whom a writer of the time mentions as Alarcón would be Fernando de Alarcón, in clear reference to Sergas de Esplandián, novel of cavalry of rows in those days, gave to name in tone burlesque to inhospitable earth as Californian to hurt to Courteous by to have failed in third trip of exploration, when this one unfruitfully tried to establish a colony in the bay that it named Courteous of Santa Cruz, (at the present time the city of La Paz), just discovered the peninsula of Baja California earth that belonged to him by Real Certificate. At the moment they are known with the name of California, the peninsula of Baja California, the Gulf of California, and three states; California, South Baja California and Baja California. In addition that the Gulf of California is also known like Sea Courteous.

[AC0H]

Nice paragraph.
Didn't even read it.

[k6bbc]

Quote[/b] (AC0H @ Nov. 15 2005,06:47)]Nice paragraph.
Didn't even read it.
Why am I not surprised.

[KE7DFP]

KG4CGC- Paragraphs please, CGC, Paragraphs.

[ka5s]

Quote[/b] (KE7DFP @ Nov. 15 2005,11:15)]KG4CGC- #Paragraphs please, CGC, Paragraphs.
Egad! We've been sentenced!

A stream of consciousness;
A turbid rill
Of what might do good,
More likely, ill.

Cortland
KA5S

[KD7WHQ]

Paragraphs DO make for easier reading.

Personally I found it fascinating, but the translations quite bad. Usually there is at least an attempt to put such in modern, well not quite, but accepted (?) vernacular.

What I read seemed to be an early 19th century attempt, missing the translation of words/phrase, and inserting the original text in the place the translated text would go. I have seen a bit of that before.

Only a bit, as Spanish was well known in the circles of society at that time.

Could be as well, simply someone not conversant in the original language making an attempt, with the same insertions. I've seen that many times.

Otherwise, as I said, fascinating..

[KG4CGC]

I tried, but I have no idea where to put them! The strange structure of the translation really throws me off. Sorry.

ZeroHotel, why am I not surprised?

[wv6z]

PARAGRAPHS?!? WE DOAN NEED NO STEENKEENG PARAGRAPHS!!!!

Actually I am surprised that Charles used sentences and word separation.

[KG4CGC]

WhydoyoupickonmesobadImnotsobadIreallyamagoodguyin thewaronstupiditycometothinkofiteveryone
elseiswrongandImrightsothereneenerneenerneener

[KI4BNC]

Quote[/b] (KG4CGC @ Nov. 16 2005,17:35)]WhydoyoupickonmesobadImnotsobadIreallyamagoodguyin thewaronstupiditycometothinkofiteveryone



elseiswrongandImrightsothereneenerneenerneener
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plewhosometimeshavetroublerememberingtohitthatbigk eyonthebottomofthekeyboardthankyouforlis


teningtomerantandravehaveaday
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[KG4CGC]

I'm a gosh dran good speeler and correct, grammer and punctuation, use I do with structured snytax.

[WA5KRP]

Quote[/b] (KG4CGC @ Nov. 16 2005,18:35)].......sothereneenerneenerneener
Charlie my man,


You're gonnahaffta come up with somethin' besides that. The little girls next door say that. They're 4 and 6 years old.

Try, &quot;Pinche vato,&quot; or sumpthin.



WA5KRP
Texas

[KE7CWB]

While you are at the task of breaking up the republick of Kalifornia you might take upstate NY with you as well.

the NY border should end at the westchester county line.

sorry couldn't help it. Displaced New Yorker here (originally from Long Island).

Currently living in one of the few US states that has a state government with its head screwed on straight (good ol wyoming). Now only if we could get some decent quality representation (the current crop are neo-con party line zombies, who would not be missed if they didn't show up for a vote). Our last decent senator was Alan Simpson who was at least a good ol fashioned old school republican (before all of this Neo-Con nonsense started).

We also swap parties with every new governor. Currently have a democrat that everyone hates, who replaced a republican that everyone hated, who replaced a democrat that did nothing in 8 years in office (which was not a bad thing).

[KD6NIG]

Quote[/b] (KE7DLG @ Nov. 14 2005,16:13)]Quote[/b] (KD6NIG @ Nov. 14 2005,08:40)]And PLEASE, people of California. #The next governor you elect must be able to pronounce the name of the state correctly as a minimum. #Thank you.
And be able to walk down the street with his hands in his own pockets. Oops, guess that rules out all politicians and lawyers. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
HA!

Well, don't worry, if they don't get your money out of your pockets, they will get it come vehicle registration renewal time.

I think they have rerouted highway funds in so many directions that even the politicians couldn't tell you where it has gone now.

Its either that, or they have definetely eliminated pothole filling funding, because I've been avoiding hitting the same one on the way to work for over a year now....

[KG4CGC]

Quote[/b] (WA5KRP @ Nov. 16 2005,20:26)]Quote[/b] (KG4CGC @ Nov. 16 2005,18:35)].......sothereneenerneenerneener
Charlie my man,


You're gonnahaffta come up with somethin' besides that. #The little girls next door say that. #They're 4 and 6 years old.

Try, &quot;Pinche vato,&quot; or sumpthin.



WA5KRP
Texas
Viva La Pinche' Sabatos!