No Code General Class?

[k5brk]

I have a good question to ask of current General, Advanced, and Extra class license holders. If it comes to pass that code is dropped to get a General class license, would you have reservations speaking to a no-code General? Currently I am a Technician and wanting to upgrade to gain HF privileges. I am studying for the General class exam and 5 wpm code. I know code will more than likely get dropped, but I still want to be knowledgable in it. All comments are welcome!

[K6BBC]

I'll never knowingly speak to anyone who does not know Morse code.

K6BBC

[kd7msc]

O - BOY Here we go again! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[VE7NOT]

Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ Nov. 09 2005,21:16)]I ill never knowingly speak to anyone who does not know Morse code.

K6BBC
That's almost exactly the sort of thing iwas talking about in my 'smarten up' topic. "sigh"

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[AG3Y]

I love to ragchew, and I love to work the digital modes, so it is very unlikely that I will ever be working someone who isn't at least conversant in the subjects that hold a great deal of interest to me. If you check my biography, you will find that I love astronomy, model airplanes, classical music, history, etc. etc. There should be no end to the amount of things that can be discussed when we get together in a QSO.

Now if a person does not engage in an interesting ragchew with me, I find it very difficult to stick with him for more than a few minutes, regardless of the mode that we are using. However, if he arouses my interest by discussing knowledgeably something that intriges me, we might talk for hours. Unfortunately, the band usually gives out before we want to quit, but the next time we get together, we usually start up right where we left off the last time!

Oh, BTW, did you hear me ask if the other person was a Code or No-Code type of guy ? Never crossed my mind !

73, Jim

[KC2ESD]

I will talk to a No-Code General and hold no reservations againts him or her. I know the code but I'm not a speed demon or a snob.

[KC0W]

I do not work SSB. But from the majority of QSO's that I have monitored on SSB, here is the main exchange.

1. My name is Bob
2. I live in Dallas, Texas
3. Your signal report is 5X9
4. My glaucoma is acting up so I better get going

If NCT ever do get HF privileges, I doubt the first thing out of their mouth would be, "I'm on HF because I got a free ride." Unless the NCT actions/verbiage on HF were that of a bozo or newbie, I don't think the other station would even know about the former license status of the NCT.

Again, I don't even work SSB. So my opinion regarding SSB & NCT really doesn't count.


Tom kcØw

[kf6rdn]

I'll work anyone who is a ham.. period..

I've said this the other 445345312423544345453453453423534099 times this question has been asked on here.

[KI4BNC]

Quote[/b] (kf6rdn @ Nov. 09 2005,22:35)]I'll work anyone who is a ham.. period.. #

I've said this the other 445345312423544345453453453423534099 times this question has been asked on here.
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[KG4CGC]

I've worked some pretty interesting DX on QRZ.com LOL! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[kf6rdn]

Quote[/b] (KE7DLG @ Nov. 09 2005,23:23)]Quote[/b] (kf6rdn @ Nov. 09 2005,16:35)]I'll work anyone who is a ham.. period.. #

I've said this the other 445345312423544345453453453423534099 times this question has been asked on here.
Double check your count. I have you at 445345312423544345453453453423534100, or were you not counting this one? #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
I actually lost count at 4453453124235443454534534534..
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[wv6z]

Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ Nov. 08 2005,22:16)]I'll never knowingly speak to anyone who does not know Morse code.

K6BBC
So how did you get the YL to learn code? I'm still trying to get mine to learn it and when I stopped talking to her because she didn't know code, she enjoyed it so much that to get even I started talking to her again.

[KA7RRA]

It would not bother me any. I well talk to anyone who is a ham or a amateur radio operator. I had to know code to get my general. I use it when I fell like it. Times are changing
Dave
KA7RRA

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ Nov. 09 2005,21:16)]I'll never knowingly speak to anyone who does not know Morse code.

K6BBC
You are still my favorite Tony!


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K6BBC

[w5ljm]

Brian, IF you become a NCG for some unknown reason. I'll be there to work your station. But you're doing so good with your code study and NuMorse, you'll have your code and general class before all this code dropping nonsense comes about.
See yas on HF OM. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

EDIT:
BTW, How do you like the NuMorse technique? That combined with a little Code Quick method is what got me going.
Keep up the good work!

[w5klb]

If the FCC drops the code, and they still can hold a license, are they not hams also? You OF's out there whine and snivel about how the hobby is "dying" but you seem rather resistant to change. Why? Didn't anyone ever tell you all that only thing constant in life is change? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

I agree that they shouldn't wait around for the FCC to drop the code requirement. There is nothing like learning something like CW. Personally, I like CW. However, it's not for everyone. It's just another mode like SSB, ATV, or AM.

The tests are another matter. Make them a little tougher. Quit publishing "gouge" on the net so people can memorize answers. The Tech and the General are waaay too easy and are "gimmes".

[ab8ma]

Quote[/b] (KE7DLG @ Nov. 10 2005,06:23)]Quote[/b] (kf6rdn @ Nov. 09 2005,16:35)]I'll work anyone who is a ham.. period.. #

I've said this the other 445345312423544345453453453423534099 times this question has been asked on here.
Double check your count. I have you at 445345312423544345453453453423534100, or were you not counting this one? #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Come on now. You all know that your post count doesn't remain static. How long you all been here, anyway?

Newbies!

[KD6NIG]

And once again, throughout the halls of QRZ, another trolling motor is heard, slowly pulling a boat full of NPRM commentary down the river of Ham Radio. It maintains its slow and constant 2 knot speed, hoping someday to catch the elusive fish that is the solution to our woes regarding the Morse Code.

Until it does, it will continue to troll in search of the answer.

[n9zxk]

Ham radio is ham radio with or with out the code. I myself would like to see no code. I just dont think you should have to sit there and show you can copy code. If you are to be tested on code you should have to show you can send it too. Like one ham said this past summer, 5 wpm isnt really knowing code. Now that might not be the same way he put it but its in the same order.

I also know we all are getting sick of this, i know i am. It to the point we want it over. I dont know the way its going to go , but i think we all will be glad its over even if it goes no code.

[WD8OQX]

I would have MORE reservation talking to someone that is so stuck on themselves that they would use such a meaningless things as not knowing code to determine who they talk to than I would with the person that didn't know the code!

Even though I personally think that every Ham should at least know it - (doesn't do me any good to send an SOS, for example, if the person on the other end can't tell a dit from a dah), as long as they follow the rules & use common sense, it doesn't matter. They still hold a license.

Now if they get a license by fraud or have no license or are breaking the rules or being stupid, well you get the idea.....


73 - Tim

[w4ass]

Newbie??, does that term include ones who where licenced in 92 and had let thier ticket Expire and then re took the test as my yl and myself have done??
we are both studying for the general written and the code test (taking the written on the 14th) so as far as the fcc droping the code we are still going to learn the code , and will ragchew with any ham , cw or phone .


73 bob
ki4ltg

[ab8ma]

Quote[/b] (ki4ltg @ Nov. 10 2005,16:28)]Newbie??, does that term include ones who where licenced in 92 and had let thier ticket Expire and then re took the test as my yl and myself have done??
we are both studying for the general written and the code test (taking the written on the 14th) so as far as the fcc droping the code we are still going to learn the code , and will ragchew with any ham , cw or phone .


73 bob
ki4ltg
No. I was referring to a QRZ newbie. One with fewer than 445345312423544345453453453423534099 posts.

[w3sy]

I have my OWN opinions on whether or not there should be code tests. HOWEVER, I would never think less of someone who MET THE CURRENT REQUIREMENT for a license, regardless of what that requirement was.

Ham radio has absolutely no room for the "I won't talk to you because....." attitude.

If I had any beef at all, it would be with those who won't even TRY to meet the current requirement because they are waiting for it to change.

But I would never advocate any kind of boycott against a fellow ham who lacks the "right" license, rig, interests, skills, etc.

[KI6ASV]

People will still learn code because they want to operate CW - QRP, it has a certain appeal. Like previously stated, it's just another mode in amateur radio. I hope people won't think less of me because I'm not interested in RTTY. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[w4ass]

Quote[/b] (ab8ma @ Nov. 10 2005,12:39)]Quote[/b] (ki4ltg @ Nov. 10 2005,16:28)]Newbie??, does that term include ones who where licenced in 92 and had let thier ticket Expire and then re took the test as my yl and myself have done??
we are both studying for the general written and the code test (taking the written on the 14th) so as far as the fcc droping the code we are still going to learn the code , and will ragchew with any ham , cw or phone .


73 bob
ki4ltg
No. I was referring to a QRZ newbie. One with fewer than 445345312423544345453453453423534099 #posts.
OH??? whell thats me than .. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[K6BBC]

Quote[/b] (w3sy @ Nov. 10 2005,09:40)]I have my OWN opinions... I... think less of... fellow ham who lacks the "right" license, rig, interests, skills, etc.
Perhaps a boycat is a good idea?

[al2i]

<span style='font-size:12pt;line-height:100%'>The great sense of betrayal I feel about this whole thing comes from the proposal to completely eliminate code testing.

A bunch of Washington lawyers</span><span style='font-size:9pt;line-height:100%'>(one of my less-respected life forms)</span><span style='font-size:12pt;line-height:100%'>have decided</span><span style='font-size:9pt;line-height:100%'>(without knowledge or understanding)</span><span style='font-size:12pt;line-height:100%'>to completely wipe Morse, the grand tradition of Amateur radio, from our license structure. It is a nightmare world.

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I would have been happy if a single license was left in the structure that let kids get on HF by showing some basic Morse proficiency. But NOOOO! NCI and other Nuevo Dumbazzo organizations can't support something like that.
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Activist no-coders have earned my eternal animosity with their approach, and passivist no-coders may carry a license, but no matter how nicely they are treated, they really do not feel like full members of the club. They didn't even need to know code -- just the value of tradition. As tradition goes, so goes the honor of the club.</span>

[K0RGR]

Won't bother me much. I don't work much SSB, so if they want to work me, it will most likely be on digital modes or CW, unless it's a contest.

[WA3KYY]

I'll work anyone who is authorized to opreate in the band segments I happen to be occupying at the time and who is using a mode I wish to operate. The path to their current license is immaterial.

73,
Mike WA3KYY

[w5klb]

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Nov. 10 2005,11:31)]<span style='font-size:12pt;line-height:100%'>The great sense of betrayal I feel about this whole thing comes from the proposal to completely eliminate code testing. #

A bunch of Washington lawyers</span><span style='font-size:9pt;line-height:100%'>(one of my less-respected life forms)</span><span style='font-size:12pt;line-height:100%'>have decided</span><span style='font-size:9pt;line-height:100%'>(without knowledge or understanding)</span><span style='font-size:12pt;line-height:100%'>to completely wipe Morse, the grand tradition of Amateur radio, from our license structure. #It is a nightmare world.

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I would have been happy if a single license was left in the structure that let kids get on HF by showing some basic Morse proficiency. #But NOOOO! #NCI and other Nuevo Dumbazzo organizations #can't support something like that. #
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Activist no-coders have earned my eternal animosity with their approach, and passivist no-coders may carry a license, but no matter how nicely they are treated, they really do not feel like full members of the club. #They didn't even need to know code -- just the value of tradition. As tradition goes, so goes the honor of the club.</span>
ummm...'cuse me, I thought Amateur Radio was for EVERYONE. I didn't know that I was part of a &quot;exclusive club&quot;. If I am, I want out of it. I don't want anyone to think that I am so &quot;elitist&quot; that I won't communicate with anyone because they are a &quot;no coder&quot;. If they passed the current requirements, that's good enough in my book.

I guess it takes all kinds to make a world, and a hobby.

[KA7RRA]

If code is still going to be required. then we should bring back the novice ticket
Dave
KA7RRA

[K6BBC]

Quote[/b] (KA7RRA @ Nov. 10 2005,16:01)]If #code is still going to be required. #then we should bring back the novice ticket
Dave
KA7RRA
Not happening Dave. There are no friends of ham radio in the FCC. They really don't want to put any thought to the future of the service as they believe there is not future to the service.

bbc

[k6pme]

Quote[/b] (k5brk @ Nov. 09 2005,21:04)]I have a good question to ask of current General, Advanced, and Extra class license holders. #If it comes to pass that code is dropped to get a General class license, would you have reservations speaking to a no-code General? #
Not unless he/she was bragging about it.

[w3sy]

Send KA7RRA the big ceegar. I've been up in arms about the demise of the Novice ticket for years. What the #@&amp;! are we doing with the NCT as the introductory ham license? Why are we introducing ham radio via the 2 meter repeater?? How can &quot;KD4QRT listening oh-seven... bee-boop&quot; ever compare to the thrills many of us had on the Novice bands??

K6BBC is also right when he suggests that the best interests of hamming are not considered when these decisions are made.

Still, we have to work with what they give us. Whatever the licensing requirement becomes, it will be up to US to help newboids be good hams and make them feel included. For example, if you have a cool HF station, invite the &quot;shack in a shirtpocket&quot; dood over for a full demo.

As for no-code Generals, one thing has never changed: It's what skills you use and develop AFTER you get the ticket that matters!

Out.

[k5brk]

Thank You for all the comments! I want to learn CW and hope to get my General by Christmas. I may not use it much, but we need to keep Amateur radio tradition alive.

[W2ILP]

I dunno. I can't say that I wouldn't speak to a General Class Ham who isn't capable of copying CW. After all what was radio-telephony and RTTY developed for? Would you guys look up the date of General class license issued for every ham on the phone bands? This would be ridiculous in a contest. I want to talk to the Hams who build their own rigs or at least try to do so....but I can't tell if they are really using what they say they use to work me. Thus I talk to any Ham who IDs with what appears to be a legal call sign.

BTW I myself passed the 20 wpm CW exam for Amateur Extra Class in 1988.
I also have a certificate from an Italian wine company that says that I'm a wino extra class. I took a dry correspondence course on Italy's regional wines without ever buying or trying most of them. En vino...veritas. This does not stop expert class winos from conversing with me!

I don't really care if hams don't know the Morse code...BUT I do care if they haven't read part 97 of the FCC rules and regulations, the Monroe Doctrine and the Constitution of the United States.

w2ilp (I Like Phonies)