Destinated [Archive]

W3MIV

10-23-2005, 09:29 PM

Most of these "illicit" terms seem to have their origins in the jargon of engineers, a group which, as a whole, is notoriously deficient in ALL of the liberal arts.

The words they have invented are legion; most were coined through sheer ignorance of the proper infinitives. Example: "to orientate" evolved out of orientation, whereas the true verb form is "to orient." These terms, which always carried an authoritative "sound" to them, became the stock and trade of meetings and conferences, hence have been joining the language via the back door for the past forty or more years.

It is all a normal, if undesirable, evolutionary trend in the language, another few yards added to the still growing distance which separates us from our linguistic forebears on those isles across the Atlantic. Of course, they have their own creeping idiocies to deal with.

All in all, we are better off just letting the evolutions take place. We could resort to the kind of systematized "purification" of the tongue as the French have tried for the past several decades. As with most other things, they have not succeeded in stamping out the creeping "anglicization" of French anymore than we will be able to stamp out the creeping "stupidization" of English.

In other words, get over it.

KC9ECI

10-23-2005, 10:01 PM

It's less stupidization and more evolation.

K9STH

10-23-2005, 10:37 PM

"Destinated" was definitely in widespread use in the Class "D" Citizen's Radio Service by the very early 1960s.

Glen, K9STH

N5PVL

10-23-2005, 10:40 PM

I think Albert's got the right idea.

kd5rpo

10-23-2005, 10:47 PM

Destinated is used as sort of a joke here. It is used to lighten the mood on VHF/UHF nets.
We all know it is meant as humorous.

w5alt

10-23-2005, 11:17 PM

Quote[/b] (N5PVL @ Oct. 23 2005,18:40)]I think Albert's got the right idea.
It was an engineer's fault that caused someone to invent "destinated?" http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Interestingly, last time I bought a house the real estate agent asked me if I were an engineer. I said, "Yes, but why do you ask?" She said that engineers were the only ones who actually read the entire contracts and asked questions about the details. That's how I found out about the CC&R's and declined on that house.

As far as the word "oreintate" it isn't attributed to an engineer. "Orient" actually meant "facing east" originally and the British apparently created "orientate" to mean something more general with reference to a direction. Apparently the first use of "orientate" was a British author (probably liberal arts, as a matter of fact), but Americans apparently choose to stick with "orient" since they aren't up-to-date on linguistics. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

"Destinate" appears to be a much more recent invention, but I'm skeptical that it came from engineering.

73,
Walt, W5ALT

kf6rdn

10-23-2005, 11:51 PM

Well, now I am destinated at my disorientation!

W5MEJ

10-24-2005, 12:10 AM

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Oct. 23 2005,15:29)]The words they have invented are legion; most were coined through sheer ignorance of the proper infinitives. Example: "to orientate" evolved out of orientation, whereas the true verb form is "to orient." These terms, which always carried an authoritative "sound" to them, became the stock and trade of meetings and conferences, hence have been joining the language via the back door for the past forty or more years.
I always thought that the Army came up with all those strange words. #I still remember my Drill Sergeant teaching me to "orientate" my map.

The other one that used to bother me was "let me reiterate." #This one seems to have come into favor with politicians as well.

My old dictionary defined "iterate" as "to utter or repeat, as for a second time." #No mention of "reiterate", but I decided that this must mean to repeat again. #"Let me reiterate" must mean "let me say this again, again."

I've noticed that my newer dictionary includes both "orientate" and "reiterate."

Orientate is defined as "to orient." #Seems rather redundant, but who am I to argue with the "New Webster."

Reiterate is defined as "to repeat again and again."

So, let me iterate - the language really does evolve, for better or for worse.

In spite of all this, I'm feeling rather gruntled this evening.

Chuck

W3MIV

10-24-2005, 12:15 AM

Ye missed the perfect opportunity, Chuck:

"In spite of all dis, I'm feeling rather gruntled this evening."

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W5MEJ

10-24-2005, 12:25 AM

You're right, Albert, but I never thought of it that way. #I just thought that if a person can be disgruntled, he could be gruntled as well!

I think I stole that from an old episode of MASH. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Chuck

KG4CGC

10-24-2005, 12:33 AM

QSL QSL QSO?
HIHI FINE BUSINESS QSO QSL?
10-4 ROGER DOGER HIHI QSL QSO?
FINE BUSINESS STATION HIHI QSO QSL?

ky5u

10-24-2005, 12:37 AM

Quote[/b] (W5MEJ @ Oct. 23 2005,17:25)]You're right, Albert, but I never thought of it that way. I just thought that if a person can be disgruntled, he could be gruntled as well!

I think I stole that from an old episode of MASH. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Chuck
You all are just "high brow". The colloquial use in the south is "I done destinated, so let me go" on 2m. Of course I am still looking for the "d" in "Baptist" and "important". It's there, though. Just ask my redneck wife.

And Albert, imagine my disgust to first get a liberal arts degree, THEN become an engineer and find out how wrong all that liberal mumbo-jumbo was. It's enough to spike my Sugar Diabetes.

WA2ZDY

10-24-2005, 01:10 AM

All this conversating is leaving me disorientated.

KC9ECI

10-24-2005, 01:17 AM

I'm feeling discombobulated.

W5MEJ

10-24-2005, 01:26 AM

Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Oct. 23 2005,18:37)]You all are just "high brow". #The colloquial use in the south is "I done destinated, so let me go" on 2m. Of course I am still looking for the "d" in "Baptist" and "important". It's there, though. #Just ask my redneck wife.
Speaking of language transgressions from 4 land that bother me...

It has been a few years now, but there was a student in a Georgia high school that was disciplined for using a cell phone on campus. #It made the national news because it was in Columbus GA, which is a military town outside of Fort Benning, and the student was calling his mom who was deployed to Iraq.

The high school principal made a statement for the national news media, and tried to justify his disciplinary action by saying that #"we can't just allow the students to conversate on their cell phones whenever they feel like it."

Conversate? #I can converse, or I can have a conversation, but I never knew I could conversate.

It wouldn't be nearly so bad if it wasn't coming from a high school principal - and I have two daughters who graduated from this high school!

Luckily, both have gone on to get a decent education.

Chuck

N5PVL

10-24-2005, 01:27 AM

W5ALT says:
Quote[/b] ]
It was an engineer's fault that caused someone to invent "destinated?"

I dunno about that, but I agree with Albert that language evolves constantly, and there's not much point in getting upset about it.

I normally do not agree with Albert, so when I do I make it a point to speak up. #

WA2ZDY

10-24-2005, 03:01 AM

Quote[/b] (W5MEJ @ Oct. 23 2005,21:26)]Conversate? #I can converse, or I can have a conversation, but I never knew I could conversate.
You missed my post on this particular abomination a couple hours before yours. I learned this particular gem in the state prison. As I'm sure you can imagine, LOTS of new words, and unfortunately fashion trends too, originate in that environment.

It's a miracle I can communicate with folks after 24 years of study in that place.

N1MLF

10-24-2005, 04:11 AM

One of the common terms in eastern Maine is "unthaw".

"didja unthaw that steak fer suppuh?"
"ayuh"
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VA7ICT

10-24-2005, 04:43 AM

How about safety companies that advertise clothing and equipment with 'Retro'reflective tape:cool:

VE7NOT

10-24-2005, 04:45 AM

we have funny words here living on vancouver island.. like:

mainlander - a maninland canadain usually from vancouver city

homo - not really the comon term for homosexual but refers to a person of limited mind http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

island time - this evolved from the south seas and made its way north here refers to 'yeah ill do it on wesneday... its not done then... but a wednesday 9 months later or more a guy is in your yard doing the job on 'island time'

next tide- time by the daily tide fro shore dwellers as in 'meet you on low'

flatts - cape flattery washington

the siddy - "the city" refers to vancouver on the mainland. said with hate in tone

'what the devil?' - said everytime something is wrong

'moron' - doesn't mean just dumbos it means te same s above homs or idiots or bastards in this caser.. msotly refers to loser on the road'

'chinese fisherman' - actually this term is not far off it refers to illegal fishermen who steal other people crab traps... only usually the verdicts are vietamese not chinese

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mary-can: refers to americans.. not derogatory acutally a commone term- :Jim down the road is from portland hes a Mary Can

Washy - Washington state

Columbian - British Columbian - local

Bastard - Not really a term for an illegtimate child or derogatory, means idiot or fool or even mainlander

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N5PVL

10-24-2005, 05:48 AM

I'm from Texas... But there's a kilobyte limit on these postings I'm pretty sure, so I'll just let it go at that.

kb3mng

10-24-2005, 07:11 AM

When you talk about proper language, there are two major factions:

Prescriptivists believe they have a correct definition of the language, and that people should follow their definition. Anyone who does not is speaking or writing incorrectly.

Descriptivists believe that the only way to know what is correct language is to observe what people actually say and write. They describe what they see.

If you are a prescriptivist, there is no such word as "destinated". When I was in high school in the 70's, prescriptivists were outraged that some major dictionary included the word "ain't", though all of the hundreds of students in my school knew what it meant.

If you are a descriptivist, you accept new word forms and grammatic structures as they come in to common use. The key test for correctness is common use and clear understanding. That is, it is what people actually say, and other people understand them when they say it. (Other people liking it is not part of the test. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif )

I tend mostly toward the descriptivist view. I speak and write English as a first language. I understand so many dialects that I can't reasonably claim that "The one I speak is correct and everybody who speaks any of the dozens of other dialects is wrong".

Most people think of dialects as regional. For example, in the US, virtually everybody recognizes the dialect of the South as something different from the dialect of New England. It isn't just accents. "Sweet tea" doesn't mean the same thing in Boston as it does in South Carolina.

Various social groups and professions also have specific dialects. Sometimes a dialect used by a profession is called "jargon", but it is bigger than that. For example, in the 1980's, I noticed that people in the computer industry were far more likely to describe something as "trivial" than the general public is. (We seem to have borrowed that particular aspect of dialect from mathematicians.) Now, the dialect is changing, probably in part because we had a huge influx of newcomers over the last 10 years or so.

People normally adapt their language and behaviour to a social context. That includes selecting which dialect to speak. For language, I think of each person knowing several dialects that fall into two classes.

A "read only dialect" (my term; linguists probably have a name for this) is something that you mostly understand but would typically not speak. For example, I understand the Southern US dialect (mostly), but I probably could not speak it without sounding like a Yankee trying to be funny. Consequently, I don't try. (Though I will order "sweet tea" in a restaurant.) Again, remember I am talking about word choice and grammar, not just accents.

"Destinated" is clearly in this category for me, as is "barbie" when it means a cooking device instead of a doll.

A "read/write dialect" (my term) is one that you can speak. I've never tried to analyze exactly how many of these I have, but I know that I have at least one general purpose dialect, one professional/technical dialect, and one dialect that I use with speakers of English as a second language. I use the professional/technical dialect with my wife sometimes (she also speaks it) but never with my parents (who do not).

Amateur radio has it's own dialect, and you know when to use it. I doubt many of you would end a conversation with "73" if you were talking to somebody who had no connection with amateur radio. But you automatically assume that dialect when it is appropriate.

It seems to me that "destinated" has leaked into the amateur radio dialect, at least as a minority usage. The good news for presciptivists is this: If there are too many changes, then people don't understand each other, so there is a natural limit on how fast the changes can happen. The bad news is that it keeps happening all the time.

Know Ye that thy Speach wilt change, and thine Will shalt not hold back the Sands of Time; forsooth, shall Ye be buried beneeth them. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

W3MIV

10-24-2005, 12:19 PM

Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Oct. 23 2005,20:37)]It's enough to spike my Sugar Diabetes.
Is there any other kind?

You are settling in very well, Charlie. Your XYL must be having a very wholesome effect.

I wrote many publications for Westinghouse Defense, during the course of which I dealt with myriad engineers who would want to "edit" my prose. It was a curious form of "infotainment." Fer shore.

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W3MIV

10-24-2005, 12:58 PM

Quote[/b] (w5alt @ Oct. 23 2005,19:17)]It was an engineer's fault that caused someone to invent "destinated?" http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Perhaps I am being too hard on engineers, and I surely apologize for that. They seem always to be hard enough on themselves.

Perhaps I should have stated that it seems to be a penchant among highly technical careerists to invent words (or, perhaps more pointedly "reinvent," which is itself another non-word that has its origins among the technocracy). I have encountered the use of highly adaptive jargon among other sciences than just engineers, most particularly bio-med folks.

Still in all, in my experience, it has been engineers who have wrought the most havoc on the language. Like plastic pocket-protectors filled with ballpoints and felt-tips, it seems a badge of recognition.

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KA4DPO

10-24-2005, 01:18 PM

Please go easy on us. I've been an engineer for some 30 years and have heard my share of made up techno words. Since we all understood the meaning of such words they fulfilled the purpose of languge, to convey meaning.

Seems to be far too much angst over a stupid word yet we all know what it means.

P.S. If it makes you feel better I still can't spell worth squat.

kl7aj

10-24-2005, 03:51 PM

Yikes...that's from CB lingo. Head for the hills!

eric

w5klb

10-24-2005, 04:29 PM

Quote[/b] (AG3Y @ Oct. 23 2005,13:26)]Waaaay back when I was a teenager, and before 2 meter repeaters were even around, 160 meters was a hangout for mobile operators in the Chicago area. #They were never "destinated". #Rather, they "were at the salt mine" ! # I never did figure out where they mined salt around Chicago ! ! ! # #Anybody know ? #

73, #Jim # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
The people you talked probably worked for Morton Salt in Chicago andy actually worked at a salt mine. I have passed this place many times in my travels to "The Loop" (Downtown Chicago). You can see this place from the Dan Ryan Expressway (I 90 & 94) on the east side of the road.

Post Edit:

Yes, I have heard the term "destinated". No, I neither use it nor like it.

AG3Y

10-24-2005, 04:59 PM

Is that the huge hole in the ground where you are going down South and West from the Loop? I always wondered what that was! I just thought it was a big stone quarry !

BTW, if you want to see poor spelling, try reading the setup instructions for running qualification tests that they hand down to us lowly Technicians ! Enough to make a grown man cry !

73, Jim

N8CPA

10-25-2005, 04:04 PM

Quote[/b] (WA2ZDY @ Oct. 23 2005,21:10)]All this conversating is leaving me disorientated.
It be leaving me alientated.

w8amd

10-25-2005, 04:10 PM

Not to mention discombooberated.

K8ERV

10-25-2005, 04:22 PM

As long as we all know what destinated means, what is the problem?

TOM K8ERV Montrose Colo

N0KLT

10-25-2005, 10:36 PM

Quote[/b] (w8amd @ Oct. 25 2005,11:10)]Not to mention discombooberated.
I remember dating a gal with that problem back in the day. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

KM5FL

10-26-2005, 02:42 AM

I think all engineers have abnosticated their pronouncibitions..
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KM5FL

wa9cwx

10-27-2005, 04:37 AM

Like Eubonics, jargon, or dialects, any unique expression of 'local' concepts is a form of self identity that helps bring a sense of kinship to a group.
Like wearing a badge or special uniform or whatever. The terms are used to help feel close to others you may not know, easily identify members of the group, etc.
When used properly and within the select group, it serves its' function, is an aid to communication and helps solidify the group at the same time, 10-4?

G0GQK

10-27-2005, 09:44 PM

It seems to me that people in the US make up their own words because they are unaware that in most cases the English language already has a word which describes what they are trying to say. Destiny, Destined, Destination, but no destinated. Another posting referred to an Extree ! What the hell is an extree ? And another thing, alot is not a word either, except in the US .

Mel G0GQK

N0KLT

10-27-2005, 09:57 PM

An extree is something that used to be a tree but is no longer a tree; kind of like an exwife. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

10-27-2005, 11:13 PM

ebonics is a strange thing.

K3XR

10-27-2005, 11:31 PM

If you are on your way to visit your PEEPS and you arrive there are you destinated?

KC5SAS

10-27-2005, 11:45 PM

Quote[/b] (K3XR @ Oct. 27 2005,16:31)]If you are on your way to visit your PEEPS and you arrive there are you destinated?
Word Yo. Fo snizzle, Dog.

K9STH

10-28-2005, 01:49 AM

Extree = paper

Glen, K9STH

10-28-2005, 02:01 AM

i thought extree was where you went after general
# # # # # # # # # # # # # # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

KG4CGC

10-28-2005, 03:51 AM

Quote[/b] (ki4bnc @ Oct. 27 2005,22:01)]i thought extree was where you went after general
# # # # # # # # # # # # # # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
ten four...naw, uh uhh, I just ten foured ya.

kb2vxa

10-28-2005, 04:13 PM

Hi snizzle dogs,

Red pencil in hand I started out to correct your flagrant butchery of my beloved language BUT after reading some of the posts it broke as I fell over backward onto the floor in convulsions. The nurse noticed my distress and after a shot of some heavy tranq I'm feeling MUCH better now.

Ten fo snizzle widda fizzle, aaz destinated at da Pon D. so I B goin' dat away fo sho, do gone! (Pronounced with a hard, drawn out O.)

K0RGR

10-28-2005, 06:55 PM

Well, I never announce that I'm destinated if I can help it, but I sometimes lament that I am destituted.

Being destinated is far better than being terminated, however.

W3MIV

10-28-2005, 07:00 PM

Quote[/b] (K0RGR @ Oct. 28 2005,14:55)]Being destinated is far better than being terminated, however.
Depends on whether you be the "terminator" or the "terminatee." As the Royal Executioner sang so well, "I have a little list; they never will be missed."

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K8ERV

10-30-2005, 10:29 PM

I am destinated, but not terminated, at least of this morning. Will check on tomorrow--

TOM K8ERV Montrose Colo

n0ov

10-31-2005, 08:45 PM

In some circles, "destinated" is about the same as "breaker One Nine for a radio check"

You hear it, not sure what should be done except tollerate it or ignore it. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

kf6rdn

10-31-2005, 08:59 PM

You could always fight back by inventing your own words..

"Cya doods, I've arivinated, at my lunchination devastion location."

kb2vxa

11-01-2005, 02:45 PM

Supercalifragilisticexpealadocious, don't stand so close 'cuz you have halitosis.

The hills are alive...
with cell phone towers.

"It be leaving me alientated."
You must be destinated in Roswell.

"Not to mention discombooberated."
I won't, promise.

"Like wearing a badge or special uniform or whatever."
We don' need no steekin' baaajez.

"ebonics is a strange thing."
Ten fo daddy!

"If you are on your way to visit your PEEPS and you arrive there are you destinated?"
Peeps are those marshmallow chicks you get in your Easter basket.

OU812?

Nah, Destin ate it.

Destry rides again, this time off into the sunrise on his faithful companion and confidant.........
OHI-O Copper, AWAY!

(And you thought I rode through the desert on a horse with no name, glad to get out of the rain.)

ka5s

11-01-2005, 03:12 PM

Quote[/b] (KE7DZZ @ Oct. 23 2005,11:10)]In my area, many of the local hams on the repeaters use the word "destinated", I looked it up , not believing that is an actual word in the English language, and guess what! # # # #IT ISN'T! (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=destinated&x=16&y=8)
word (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=word) ( P ) Pronunciation Key (wûrd)
n.
A sound or a combination of sounds, or its representation in writing or printing, that symbolizes and communicates a meaning and may consist of a single morpheme or of a combination of morphemes.

I believe it was the late Huey Long who, when criticized for spelling bird b u r d asked, "If that doesn't spell bird, what DOES it spell?"

Destinated is related
To the word for where
Things aren't discombobulated.
Spelling ain't! So there!

Cortland
KA5S

ky0te

09-22-2007, 06:42 PM

Quote[/b] (w5alt @ Oct. 23 2005,16:17)]"....Americans apparently choose to stick with "orient" since they aren't up-to-date on linguistics."
Nor are they very proficient at a language.
"I'm here." seems appropriate, but now that I am,
I appear to be suffering from 'destinesia'. I can't
remember what the point of all this is.
Perhaps someone could 'orientate' me
in the right direction? Keep it simple, though,
because I might fall off my chair and ROTFL.

N3QVB

09-22-2007, 07:09 PM

I was always told by my parents that I shouldn't destinate because I'll eventually go blind and grow hair on my palms.

W2BBQ

09-22-2007, 08:32 PM

Ya'll are kindof slow. We've had "destinated" beaten in Georgia for quite awhile.

The new term is: Arrivalized http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

And to the fella who didn't know what the "salt mine" is. That is your workplace. "I've arrivalized at work" http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Lighten up. It's humor or at least semi humor. Folks with some actual character and personality being different just to be a little different....break up the monotony of sameness.

Do you really want everyone speaking exactly the same way and all of the time?

Radio communication is and has always been full of specialized "jargon". Forget CB for a second....ham radio is chock full of jargon. So what's the problem?

Don't like a particular jargon word? Don't use it.

That'll be $10 bucks for solving your problem http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Now somebody PAY ME !! Paypal accepted http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

wu8y

09-22-2007, 08:46 PM

Quote[/b] ]'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.
"Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Bandersnatch!"
He took his vorpal sword in hand:
Long time the manxome foe he sought—
So rested he by the Tumtum tree,
And stood awhile in thought.
And, as in uffish thought he stood,
The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame,
Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,
And burbled as it came!
One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back.
"And hast thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!"
He chortled in his joy.
'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

It's been going on since 1871, at least...

W5HTW

09-22-2007, 09:07 PM

Every activity, hobby, sport, job, has its own 'lingo." And as others have said, there's nothing wrong with that. Those in that activity understand the jargon.

It is those outside that activity who may be lost. That is why I believe we still need a mainstream language that is understood by all of our citizens. We can't let "your" become the word for "you are" (you're) for example, as they are totally different words, with unrelated meanings. That is where I fear our language is failing us. We use the wrong words for things. When we do that, someone who knows the right word doesn't have a clue as to what we are trying to say. And that means communication fails in the mainstream.

It is easily acceptable that mainstream USA may not know what a "Mulligan" is, or even a 'birdie' or an "eagle." Or an RBI or an "error." Or the special language of the high steel workers, up there above our heads in the city.

But we have a responsibility to maintain communication with the general poplace, and we are failing in that! I doubt Joe Convenience Store Clerk uses "destinated" when he arrives at work. It isn't like Jimbo Car Mechanic uses "destinated" when the parts he ordered are finally delivered by NAPA.

Our amateur radio language is evolving. I suppose that's OK, though I shall never use the word "destinated" unless I am paid a rather handsome sum in US dollars each time I use it. For such use, I suppose "handsome sum" could be 50 bucks. I would use it often enough I would not have to work again. Otherwise, no thank you. That, though, is my choice.

What I do not see as choice is using the incorrect word, or made-up words, for mainstream language. If I substitute the word "lake" for "dog" and "jamming" for "swimming" then I tell you "My lake wants to go jamming" you have no idea what I am saying. Silly? Well, when we substitute incorrect words for correct ones, we approach that point. And we are doing that more and more.

However, I do not resist jargon! Everyone has their own, from computer geeks to football players to ham radio operators to private pilots. Fine with me, and I'll use it, too, except for such silly things as destinated!

Ah, salt mines. I live within a mile or so of several salt mines. Yep, the real thing. Salt mines, where salt is mined. Or rather, where it was mined in the 1500s by the enslaved Indians, who mined it for the Spanish conquerors. Numerous small and very briny salt lakes around me, some of them now nothing but white mush. The Indians were mining salt there long before the Spanish came, though. Today they are just lakes where nothing, and I mean nothing, grows!

Ed

n0iu

09-22-2007, 09:57 PM

It really must be a slow weekend on the radio when a topic that is almost TWO YEARS OLD is still being discussed!

Scott NØIU

n2cfj

09-24-2007, 03:55 PM

It became so common on the machine that used to have the drive time group that I participated in that the term morphed into "detonated" to poke fun at it's overuse.

kl7aj

09-24-2007, 03:55 PM

It sloshed over from the CB slop bucket.

w2rdt

09-24-2007, 04:23 PM

Quote[/b] (kb2vxa @ Nov. 01 2005,07:45)]Supercalifragilisticexpealadocious, don't stand so close 'cuz you have halitosis.

The hills are alive...
with cell phone towers.

"It be leaving me alientated."
You must be destinated in Roswell.

"Not to mention discombooberated."
I won't, promise.

"Like wearing a badge or special uniform or whatever."
We don' need no steekin' baaajez.

"ebonics is a strange thing."
Ten fo daddy!

"If you are on your way to visit your PEEPS and you arrive there are you destinated?"
Peeps are those marshmallow chicks you get in your Easter basket.

OU812?

Nah, Destin ate it.

Destry rides again, this time off into the sunrise on his faithful companion and confidant.........
OHI-O Copper, AWAY!

(And you thought I rode through the desert on a horse with no name, glad to get out of the rain.)
Speakin bout the hoss wit no name.
An old farmer had just sold a horse at the auction,
A CBr bought it to eat grass round his 10-20.
The CBr came into the barn to see his prize
When he looked stait in the horses face, He
got terrible upset. "Farmer he yelled, this dumb
hoss is toatally cressed eyed!"
The old farmer walked up to the CBr and stated
"I know what caused that, The d_amn hoss
sneezed so hart hit crossed hits eyes."
CBr asked for his money back, old farmer is to
sly for this.
The farmer said wait a minute, he left and came
back with a 4 foot piece of water hose.
He proceeded to run 3 foot up the hoss's rear.
He told the CBr to watch the Hoss's eyes and
he blew as hard as he could 3 times, out of
breath he wheezed, "I aint got nuff air, trade
places with me."
The CBr walked round behind hoss and the
farmer told him what to do. He handed the CBr
the hose and walked roun to the front. He told
hime to start blowin. At this point, the CBr pulled
the hose out, looked at at it and turned the
hose round and pushed it 23 foot.
The Farmer looked confused and said "what the
hell did ya do that fer?
The CBr stated "DID YOU SPECT ME TA BLOW ON
THIS HERE HOSE WHERE YER MOUTH WAS?
HEY MAN I"M A WHOLE LOT SMARTER N THAT. IT
WOULD BE UNSANITARY TO BLOW ON THE SAME
END."

n0nwo

09-24-2007, 04:41 PM

Why doest thou protest the fact that language changes? At what point does one say, these are all the words in the English language, these are all the grammer rules and from this point on, English will stay static and change no more.

Minton

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vk6zgo

09-26-2007, 12:03 PM

Gentlemen,methinks you are intoxicated with the affluence of your own verbosity!
If you wish,however I will provide a sample of my own pet hates.

Firstly: "Connectivity"---Aargh!

Secondly: " Ahead of "( Instead of "prior to",used by almost all newsreaders in VK)

Thirdly: #"Bill of Materials"used in place of #"Parts List"

I know the last two are phrases not words, but they still irritate me in the extreme.

73 VK6ZGO

af6de

09-26-2007, 02:20 PM

webster is rolling in his grave too http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

WA9SVD

09-28-2007, 06:57 PM

All seriousness aside, while "destinated" is not currently in the Oxford Dictionary, it one day might be.
Language, (including the English language) is fluid and always evolving.
The old adage, " 'Ain't' ain't in the dictionary!" is no longer true. Although it's still considered a colloquialism (or slang,) it has, through frequent use, been acknowledged as a legitimate word.
So "destinated" may be destined to be included in the dictionary someday, even if it wasn't predestined to be so.

WA7KKP

09-28-2007, 08:51 PM

WA9SVD

09-29-2007, 05:52 AM

Quote[/b] (WA7KKP @ Sep. 28 2007,13:51)]Quote[/b] (KE7DZZ @ Oct. 23 2005,11:10)]In my area, many of the local hams on the repeaters use the word "destinated", I looked it up , not believing that is an actual word in the English language, and guess what! IT ISN'T! (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=destinated&x=16&y=8)
If you think that's bad, try out these:

have gotten (past participle of get?)

enthused

I've been enthusiastic, but never enthused. Edwin Neumann, forgive us all for slandering the mother tongue English.

Gary WA7KKP
Gary,

The word "enthuse" (verb, transitive, or verb, intransitive) meaning to make, become, or appear enthusiastic IS in Webster's Dictionary.

G8ADD

09-29-2007, 09:47 AM

Destinated is harmless in that it is an addition rather than an alteration. I hear it used here, too.

My favourite hate is to hear the word "refute" being used when the speaker actually means "deny". I feel like shouting "refute means conclusively disprove, now go ahead and do it!" If this alteration stands there will no longer be a word for conclusively disprove, and the language will have lost rather than gained.

Another hate is the current meaning of the word "gay", it cannot be used now for it's previous meaning, leaving a gap in the language.

73

Brian G8ADD

KG6YTZ

09-29-2007, 09:51 AM

Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Oct. 23 2005,11:39)]Hurgurglmfpghf!
Sure, that's easy for you to say... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

KG6YTZ

09-29-2007, 10:03 AM

Quote[/b] (n2cfj @ Sep. 24 2007,08:55)]It became so common on the machine that used to have the drive time group that I participated in that the term morphed into "detonated" to poke fun at it's overuse.
I've heard that one around here, too, and I know of at least one local who - jokingly, of course - says he's "destituted."

I swear, one of these years, I'm gonna drop a "destinationalized" on 'em. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

ka3trx

09-29-2007, 10:20 AM

How about being preapproved for credit? Also you can arrange your funeral before you die, thus being preburied. Then when they finally do plant you, you are destinated.

BTW, is a trombone player called a tromboner?

KA5LQJ

09-29-2007, 10:50 AM

Gentlemen (an I use the term loosly), Ha ha ha,

The American English language is one of the toughest to learn, simply because of all the different collequilisms in it. #Even back in the BIBLE word meanings have changed and have been interpreted to mean something else, by well-meaning folks who re-write it.

Now, without starting a HATE WAR against Citizen's Band operator's or trucker's, destinated was a word used by driver's over company radio's to indicate they had arrived at a delivery stop. #The long-haul driver's (across the U.S.) picked up on the term and since they could not contact their base by radio, it was used to let the other long-haul driver's know they were at a stopping point and their conversation was ending...QRT...10-4?

BTW, the term, 10-4 and other 10-codes were used by commercial businesses, fire, and police departments, long before CB came along. #So, there is no need to get your nicker's in a knot over someone's use of a 10-code on the radio. #Even I have picked up the wrong mic a time or two and 10-4'ered someone on the 2 meters, while operating both my ham rig and company radio. # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif # The locals know I operated a ham rig out of my company service vehicle, so nothing was said.

As long as the person's on BOTH ends know what it means, it's not illegal, imoral, or fattening, who cares? #I'm certainly NOT going to be the Q-Signal Police if someone OCCASSIONALLY uses a CB werd, LOL!

I'm more concerned with all the cursing, racial terms, and opposite sex slandering I hear on 75 meters by Olde Time hams who should know better. #If you want to talk garbage, go in a closet, out of everyone's earshot (including your home) and say it. #'Nuff said.

Respectfully submitted,
73,

Don/KA5-LQJ
Grid Sq: EM-32cl
10/10 #: 53243
(ex: 8Q-3224,KKR-2747,KOR-0528,KAMF-7712)

KI4NGN

09-29-2007, 11:12 AM

"irregardless" always makes my head spin...not with no regard?

W2BBQ

09-29-2007, 11:42 AM

I myself appreciate this fluidic nature of the English language. Old words may fade away from lack of use and new ones created to fit modern life. Anyone is free to attempt to create a new word. If it catches on and enough folks use....voila'....a new word has come into existance.

Consider an alternative. We're ya'll aware that the French language is limited to its current 50,000 words by law?

No Freedom Fries for those magnificent bastards! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

n2cfj

10-01-2007, 02:46 PM

Quote[/b] (w2bbq @ Sep. 29 2007,04:42)]I myself appreciate this fluidic nature of the English language. Old words may fade away from lack of use and new ones created to fit modern life. Anyone is free to attempt to create a new word. If it catches on and enough folks use....voila'....a new word has come into existance.

Consider an alternative. We're ya'll aware that the French language is limited to its current 50,000 words by law?

No Freedom Fries for those magnificent bastards! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
The irony of the French being so protective of ther language is that, although it is classified as one of the romance languages, is is far less "pure" than the others. Spanish, Portugese and Italian are closer to their Latin roots and, with some effort, can be understood by eachother. French, on the other hand contains many words that are Germanic in origin and is therefore much more adulterated in it's purest form.

In any language, words change. For example, to a Western Hemisphere Spanish speaker, the word Bodega refers to a grocery store. To a Spaniard it refers to a wine cellar or warehouse.

k0cmh

10-02-2007, 03:47 PM

Lets get rid of all the "jargon".

Good by to:

XYL - my wife is not an "x", and unfourtunately she is no longer a young lady. I love her dearly and have no plans to get rid of her. I resent people referring to her an my X. We are still happily married.

YL - most of the women I hear on the Ham bands are no longer young.

OM - Old is in the eye of the beholder. I think I will start answering to OM in my QSOs with "grasshopper".

FB - (Fine Business) - Since I do not own a busniess, there is nothing fine about it.

LID - A closure for a jar or other container. Maybe "jerk" would be more appropriate.

Listening - NOT! I am monitoring. When no one is transmitting how can I listen? I guess I could turn the squelch off and "listen" to the noise.

Clear - Nope. I have color and most light does not come through the other side of me. When I am done with a conversation "out" is more appropriate. When I am going to shut off my radio I say "station closing" (OK flamers, go ahead on this one).

Roger - apparently the military use of this is different from Ham radio. I learned in the army that roger meant "I received your message in its entirity, I understand it, and if directed, I will execute those directions. If someone tells me to go down 5 KHz, I will reply with roger.

73 (seventy three, seventy threes) - I am not yet 73 and will only be that way for one year. If you want to send regards, just say so. [ would 37 be "disregards"?]

I find 2 meters particularly intersting, where I sometimes hear someone correcting another for using CW Q signals and not using plain language, and then turn around and use many of the above items in the exchange, particularly funny when ending the contact with "seven threes".

So, if we don't like "destinted" then maybe we should be cleaning up the other "stuff" we so often use and regard as sacred.

WW3QB

10-02-2007, 06:05 PM

The Merriam-Webster dictionary recently added "ginormous" to the dictionary. http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/ginormous
In comparison, "destinated" does not seem so bad. I remember it being used a lot in the 1970's on 2m.

wz9o

10-02-2007, 11:18 PM

Destinated = a word used by dip tards http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

kf6rdn

10-03-2007, 02:34 AM

I'm leaving on a jet plane.

So when do I pre-board the plane? If I post board the plane would I need a parachute?

kn4ds

10-03-2007, 02:56 AM

Quote[/b] (kf6rdn @ Oct. 02 2007,22:34)]I'm leaving on a jet plane.

So when do I pre-board the plane? If I post board the plane would I need a parachute?
Pre-boarding a plane simply means to get on before you get on... quantum physics at its best.

k0cmh

10-03-2007, 09:31 PM

Maybe "pre board" means that you already know the book, movie, etc. is bad before you start it.

M0DSZ

10-04-2007, 07:03 AM

"Your aircraft will be landing momentarily".....in British English it means it'll only be on the runway for a very brief period. A little disconcerting for the British traveller (OK, traveler if you must).

There hasn't been much excuse for nonsense words like "destinated" since the demise of "telegraphese" where you paid per word for each message. It was an interesting competion to send a meaningful telegram with as few words as possible. "Soonest" saved on 3 words for example.

KG6YTZ

10-04-2007, 07:34 AM

Quote[/b] (M0DSZ @ Oct. 04 2007,00:03)]"Your aircraft will be landing momentarily".....in British English it means it'll only be on the runway for a very brief period. A little disconcerting for the British traveller (OK, traveler if you must).
That's what it means to this Yank, too. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif #As far as I'm concerned, "momentarily" does NOT mean "soon." #Leave it to us, though, to replace a one-syllable word with a five-syllable word. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

dictionary.com says:
Quote[/b] ]Usage Note: Momentarily is widely used in speech to mean "in a moment," as in The manager is on another line, but she'll be with you momentarily. This usage rarely leads to ambiguity since the intended sense can usually be determined on the basis of the tense of the verb and the context. Nonetheless, many critics hold that the adverb should be reserved for the senses "for a moment," and the extended usage is unacceptable to 59 percent of the Usage Panel.