Blind and Hearing Impaired 17 year old

[ae4fa]

http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/10/19/1/?nc=1

Very inspiring story!

[k9zmd]

Well worth a look, so just click on this link. (http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/10/19/1/?nc=1)

[KC5SAS]

More proof that they are practically giving Ham tickets away. Soon someone will wheel a corpse into a VE session and it will pass the exam. Then the real CBism of Ham radio will be underway.

[KA3RFE]

I'd just like to point out something regarding hearing imparements and code. While some people seem to have problems with it, an imparement really isn't that much of a challange. I've been hearing impared for most of my life and now I'm essentially deaf, yet I had never had a problem with learning it or using it. In fact, code is my only HF mode at the moment. I cannot hear voice, though, so code is my only avenue to ham radio. It woid seem nice to be able to do phone work but I have to deal with the cards I was dealt.

See, code isn't the ogre people make it out to be. I've heard people complain that they can't learn it because they have age-related high frequency hearing loss and I just cannot go along with that. The only thing on an audiogram I hear is one tone at the lowest frequency rested. I wear hearing aids but they only give me noise awareness. To understand speech in person, I have to read lips, so that cuts out phone for me, even FM.

And I am recovering now, BTW, from a near-stroke resulting from undiagnosed near-complete blockages in both carotid arteries. Was taken to the hospital 13 days ago and one artery was repaired immediately. The other will be done after I heal from the first surgury. I think I almost died. My daughter told me I kept talking about not wanting to go to the light.

I'm having some troubles remembering how to spell things (worse than usual), and I was told I'd probably have some minor problems of a related sort. So forgive me if I screw up the spelling.

73

[KA3RFE]

Quote[/b] (KC5SAS @ Oct. 21 2005,14:12)]More proof that they are practically giving Ham tickets away. #Soon someone will wheel a corpse into a VE session and it will pass the exam. #Then the real CBism of Ham radio will be underway.
Yeah, right. What's your problem? The story said the boy learned the code. How was he "given" the license? Hearing imparement is no block whatsoever to learning and using code.

I'm stopping now. The next things going through my mind are a string of insults towards you so I'll just leave them out.

[w8znx]

Quote[/b] (KC5SAS @ Oct. 21 2005,14:12)]More proof that they are practically giving Ham tickets away. #Soon someone will wheel a corpse into a VE session and it will pass the exam. #Then the real CBism of Ham radio will be underway.
hello KC5SAS
the kid passed the 5 wpm code test
and now holds a general class tic

can you pass the 5 wpm code test?

dit dit Mac

oh ps
there was a kid back around 1963 passed
the 13 wpm code test sending and receiving
and he was paralyzed from the neck down
used a butter knife held in his teeth to send

[k5xyl]

KC5SAS, help me to understand your reasoning that ham tickets are being "given away" because this young man passed his code and General written test. Do you think that he was given special privileges because of his sight and hearing impairments? It clearly states in the article that he was motivated to upgrade his ticket after receiving a TS-440. He worked for his upgraded ticket just like all the rest of us that passed code and General (and Extra) did.

Code came easy to me because I enjoyed learning it and I still use it every day. However, I am well aware that there are many that either don't like learning it, set themselves up for failure by believing they can't learn it, or honestly do have a barrier such as a hearing impairment that makes learning it more difficult.

I took my code test 3 years ago along with another local ham...I passed, he failed. And he failed 3 more times before he passed two years later. Why? Because he had made himself believe that he just couldn't pass the test because he was hearing impaired and was "an old dog that can't learn new tricks" in his 60s. I was honored to be his teacher in a class I taught last October and was more excited than he was when he passed that test.

By the way, I also sat on the VE team that administered his test and this ham did not get any special favors. He chose to take the test along with the others although he could have opted for testing with headphones at a pitch more suitable for his hearing capabilities. He sat in the room with less than perfect acoustics, determined that he would earn his upgrade the same way everyone else was. He was the first to turn in his test and I knew, by the confidence in his walk, he had passed it before he even reached the desk to turn it in. He had worked harder than the other students during the 10 week class because he had to. He had 100% copy for the entire 5 minutes of code. He is now one of the most active members of our local club and displays excellent ham etiquette on HF and UHF/VHF.

So, if you are thinking just because someone is sight or hearing impaired that they are having a ticket just handed to them, then you sir are way off-base.

73, DeAnne K5XYL

[k5xyl]

W8ZNX,

If you check out KC5SAS's signature line under his name in his post, you will discover that he plans to bypass the code test altogether. "Future No-Code General" implies to me that he has no intention of learning the code and is willing to wait until General is easier to obtain. This is not a personal attack on SAS but it seems to me that he is the one that wants his ticket given to him.

Again, if he can come up with some logical reasoning as to why this young ham was "given" a ticket, then perhaps I would understand and agree with him.

I'll be listening for you on the air for a CW ragchew Mac....dit dit.

73, DeAnne K5XYL

[AK7V]

I agree, great story!

[ai4ep]

...shows what one person CAN do when he/she really wants to DO something....and not just wait for a handout.

[kd7msc]

Quote[/b] (KC5SAS @ Oct. 21 2005,14:12)]More proof that they are practically giving Ham tickets away. #Soon someone will wheel a corpse into a VE session and it will pass the exam. #Then the real CBism of Ham radio will be underway.
Who gave you your ticket?

This was a good thread. Dont let kc5sas ruin it.

[WA5KRP]

Quote[/b] (KC5SAS @ Oct. 21 2005,16:12)]More proof that they are practically giving Ham tickets away. #Soon someone will wheel a corpse into a VE session and it will pass the exam. #Then the real CBism of Ham radio will be underway.
Lovely comment. #Is that how you make yourself feel superior to others? #Ya know, there's people in this world that make a difference and then there's the rest.

http://www.qrz.com/hampix/s/a/kc5sas.1093136985.jpg




WA5KRP
Texas

[w4rot]

You go Billy!
Work 'em brother.
Shine on you crazy diamond!
w4rot

[VE7NOT]

I doubt the ticket would be given away... although in canada we have no code requierments now, when they did they wouldn't let me waver the code. I am hearing impared.

They used to waver ther code They didn't after about 2000 it seems. However since I'm only 30 to 55% less then normal that might have been a difference.

As a CB er as well I can say i doubt cbers will come onto ametuer radio bands once the code has been done away with in the us since that has not happened here.. the opposite has.. hams use cb bands for local work and the odd DX here.

However as a hearing impaired person with loss mostly in high frequencies I can honestly say I can hear the code just fine. Those european accents on 20m are a bit challenging





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[N5LRZ]

Re SAS...

PERHAPS you need a little edcation on the requirements of the ARRL VE.

Per the ARRL VE program and probably the others in general the code at 5 wpm is still required at this time and must be taken and passed by everyone including those with hearing disabilities. Exemptions from the code requirement are no longer granted.

Per the ARRL VE Handbook an ARRL VE must give every applicant a chance to pass the Code Test. Now if the applicant is hearing impaired they can either use a sight method of code delivery (flashing light) or they can use vibrations felt on an open speaker or vibrating device. Now the applicant may have to provide his or her own vibrating/device as this kind of testing is not exactly common. But they must be given a method to show that they can interopret the code at 5 wpm per the current code requirement just like everyone else.

The VE Team must also prepare to administer the written test in an oral form and or write down the answers if the applicant is not capable of reading and or writing down/checking off the answer box themselves due to a physical disability.

And of course it is just common courtesy to give the VE Team a heads up of a day or two before the test so they can prepare for the administering of a test (make plans for extra VEs, a room on the side, perhaps early testing) and the applicant can be informed if he or she needs to bring their own code testing device/the one which they have been using to study the code. Obviously VE Teams are not going to carry vibrating things to administer code tests as part of their standard equipment gear. Perhaps another VE Team has a piece of equipment that the local VE Team can borrow. At any rate it is a good idea to contact the VE Team Contact Person to inform the team of anything out of the ordinary that they need to prepare for.




In Closing...HOWEVER the original poster is right though (in this writers opinion) in that the no code people constantly whine and moan: I cant learn the code/let me in free.

Is it not intersting that people like this fellow with physical handicaps with every right in the world to moan and groan can go thru life achieveing things that we normal folk would think impossible under the circumstance?

Memo to the no code people who constantly whine "I cant remember the code" : this guy not only had to learn the code BUT he also had to figure a way to somehow hear it (so to speak) all the while fighting a physical handicap. Hells bells give me 10 people who have the unreleanting drive, determination and commited love the hobby to strive and advance up the licence ladder like this guy over 100 people who constantly bitch and moan about something as trivial as how hard it is to learn an ever so sloooooow 5 wpm code. We in the hobby would be much better off. Rather than whine on and on about 5 wpm about why dont you use this person as a ROLL MODEL.

BY THE WAY If anyone knows of a person with a handicap who would like to study for and take the Amateur Radio License test please contact the Courage Handi-Ham Organization by snail mail:

Courage Handi-Ham System
3915 Golden Valley Road
Minneapolis, MN 55422

Or on the web at:

www.handiham.org

[KC5SAS]

I don't know why everyone is getting so bent out of shape about this. #Based on all the posts here in the forums in the last few months I had come to the conclusion that everybody pretty much agrees that the tests are a giveaway and the bands are about to be overun by blind deaf redneck CBers. From the threads here I thought the only way to save the hobby was to return to the days when you had to travel 100 miles to a dingy FCC office and build a working transmitter out of common office supplies then tap out 30WPM CW on it. Now I put up a post with similar views and all hell breaks loose.
Come on. #This is QRZ. #If you can't bash on how dumbed down the exams have become here then where can you?

[KC5SAS]

Quote[/b] (WA5KRP @ Oct. 21 2005,20:35)]#Ya know, there's people in this world that make a difference and then there's the rest.
WA5KRP
Texas
KRP,
Which one are you? #
And what's with posting a photo of me in my Fire Department uniform? To prove that I'm one of the ones making a difference?

[KC5SAS]

Besides, I like bunker gear photos better-

[w4rot]

In case you forgot, the thread is about someone overcoming obstacles.
Thanks for the pic....BTW....WGAF.
Rock on Billy,
w4rot

[KC5SAS]

Quote[/b] (w4rot @ Oct. 22 2005,19:42)]BTW....WGAF.

w4rot
KRP obviously GAF. He's the one who started posting my handsome mug in the thread. I think he's in love. I just wanted to make sure he has a couple of other photos of me to print out and keep under his pillow.

[kd7msc]

Quote[/b] (KC5SAS @ Oct. 22 2005,20:24)]Quote[/b] (w4rot @ Oct. 22 2005,19:42)]BTW....WGAF.

w4rot
KRP obviously GAF. #He's the one who started posting my handsome mug in the thread. I think he's in love. #I just wanted to make sure he has a couple of other photos of me to print out and keep under his pillow.
Get over yourself

[KC0OFZ]

KC5SAS
Nice Bunker Gear. #That red gear really is sharp. #Now that bunker gear is clean because you take the time to clean and wash your gear, right? #
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
If so good job, one of the more dangerous things as you know is dirty gear. #Anyway nice gear. #BTW what kind of SCBA do you run there as I noticed you are wearing a pack and holding the facemask. My dept uses ISI here, not too bad keeps clean air in the ol' lungs.
KC0OFZ

[N5KRC]

Quote[/b] (KC5SAS @ Oct. 22 2005,03:54)]I don't know why everyone is getting so bent out of shape about this. Based on all the posts here in the forums in the last few months I had come to the conclusion that everybody pretty much agrees that the tests are a giveaway and the bands are about to be overun by blind deaf redneck CBers. From the threads here I thought the only way to save the hobby was to return to the days when you had to travel 100 miles to a dingy FCC office and build a working transmitter out of common office supplies then tap out 30WPM CW on it. Now I put up a post with similar views and all hell breaks loose.
Come on. This is QRZ. If you can't bash on how dumbed down the exams have become here then where can you?
The difference is, a person with documented medical disabilities had the drive and want to upgrade his license, and he did it -- AND passed TODAY'S requirements... Unlike other people who have no disabilities and would rather wait and have their privileges handed to them...

You are a shining example of the "future no-code" licensee.

Scott, N5KRC

[KA3RFE]

SAS:

You're a bigoted SOB and a disgrace to firefighters everywhere. I belong to an extremely busy volunteer department and dammed if I can keep my turnouts clean. Two or three working fires a week don't allow much cleaning and my stuff is yellow. Guess you don't respond to many.

[WA5KRP]

Quote[/b] (KC5SAS @ Oct. 22 2005,22:24)]Quote[/b] (w4rot @ Oct. 22 2005,19:42)]BTW....WGAF.

w4rot
KRP obviously GAF. #
Quote[/b] (WA5KRP @ Oct. 21 2005,22:35)]Quote[/b] (KC5SAS @ Oct. 21 2005,16:12)]More proof that they are practically giving Ham tickets away. #Soon someone will wheel a corpse into a VE session and it will pass the exam. #Then the real CBism of Ham radio will be underway.
Lovely comment. #Is that how you make yourself feel superior to others? #Ya know, there's people in this world that make a difference and then there's the rest.

http://www.qrz.com/hampix/s/a/kc5sas.1093136985.jpg

Edited by K7FE on Oct. 22 2005,17:30


WA5KRP
Texas


Note that edit made by K7FE.............he's a moderator. #He removed my comments regarding your sick disregard for a ham with disabilities who showed personal courage and determination. #I wish he didn't have to. #


WA5KRP
KMA, Texas

[w4ass]

Quote[/b] (KA3RFE @ Oct. 21 2005,17:23)]Quote[/b] (KC5SAS @ Oct. 21 2005,14:12)]More proof that they are practically giving Ham tickets away. #Soon someone will wheel a corpse into a VE session and it will pass the exam. #Then the real CBism of Ham radio will be underway.
Yeah, right. What's your problem? The story said the boy learned the code. How was he "given" the license? Hearing imparement is no block whatsoever to learning and using code.

I'm stopping now. The next things going through my mind are a string of insults towards you so I'll just leave them out.
u took the worde right out of my mouth i agree with u 100%







73's bob

[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (KC5SAS @ Oct. 22 2005,21:24)]KRP obviously GAF.
Did you have to drag athiests into this? Now I'm going to have to go to church to get that image out of my head. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

73, Rob

[w8znx]

Quote[/b] (KC5SAS @ Oct. 22 2005,13:54)]bands are about to be overun by blind deaf redneck CBers. From the threads here I thought the only way to save the hobby was to return to the days when you had to travel 100 miles to a dingy FCC office and build a working transmitter out of common office supplies then tap out 30WPM CW on it
Hello SAS

re red necks on ham radio, heck they been
on 75 fone for over 70 years

almost every old timer will bitch about
this or that, how we had to walk 25 miles
in the snow barefoot to the fcc office
smoking in the hallway wating to see
if you had passed,
its just the way people are

heck you should have heard some of the
old timers howl when the Novice tic came along

even farther back in ham radio history

there was a letter to the ed in a 30's amateur radio
magazine #Radio,
complaining about how anny kid
nowdays can get a amateur tic and how
the bands were going to be full of snot nosed
kids

the Kid worked hard and passed the gen test
more power to him,

il bet he becomes a great op

yours truly
Mac

[ae4fa]

Ya post a bit that celebrates someone overcoming obsticles and ya get flamers.

Geez . . .

[ky5u]

Quote[/b] (KC0OFZ @ Oct. 22 2005,21:08)]KC5SAS
Nice Bunker Gear. That red gear really is sharp. Now that bunker gear is clean because you take the time to clean and wash your gear, right?
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
If so good job, one of the more dangerous things as you know is dirty gear. Anyway nice gear. BTW what kind of SCBA do you run there as I noticed you are wearing a pack and holding the facemask. My dept uses ISI here, not too bad keeps clean air in the ol' lungs.
KC0OFZ
Probably one of the ones wearing SCBA and orbiting a structure on fire outside. LOL!

[ky5u]

Quote[/b] (ae4fa @ Oct. 21 2005,03:36)]http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/10/19/1/?nc=1

Very inspiring story!
Great story, Bob. Thanks for sharing.

[ky5u]

Quote[/b] (KA3RFE @ Oct. 21 2005,14:16)]I'd just like to point out something regarding hearing imparements and code. While some people seem to have problems with it, an imparement really isn't that much of a challange. I've been hearing impared for most of my life and now I'm essentially deaf, yet I had never had a problem with learning it or using it. In fact, code is my only HF mode at the moment. I cannot hear voice, though, so code is my only avenue to ham radio. It woid seem nice to be able to do phone work but I have to deal with the cards I was dealt.

See, code isn't the ogre people make it out to be. I've heard people complain that they can't learn it because they have age-related high frequency hearing loss and I just cannot go along with that. The only thing on an audiogram I hear is one tone at the lowest frequency rested. I wear hearing aids but they only give me noise awareness. To understand speech in person, I have to read lips, so that cuts out phone for me, even FM.

And I am recovering now, BTW, from a near-stroke resulting from undiagnosed near-complete blockages in both carotid arteries. Was taken to the hospital 13 days ago and one artery was repaired immediately. The other will be done after I heal from the first surgury. I think I almost died. My daughter told me I kept talking about not wanting to go to the light.

I'm having some troubles remembering how to spell things (worse than usual), and I was told I'd probably have some minor problems of a related sort. So forgive me if I screw up the spelling.

73
I have had the honor of having CW QSOs with a gentleman with no arms (sent CW with his foot), several blind and nearly deaf amateurs (one who is in the Mass. State Boxing hall of fame), and one gentleman who was recovering from a stroke. He could not remember two of the letters in Morse, so I asked him to send an "x" when he could not remember. We had a wonderful QSO for over an hour. In the last the last 2 1/2 years, I have had CW QSOs with at least 6 WWII vets (in their 80's and 90's) with great stories of their use of CW in the service, all of whom are now SK. CW was their only mode. My life is richer for all of the above.

[n9vo]

I would say that young "SAS" has plenty to think about. He might reply once he gets both feet out of his mouth!! There a time to joke around and a time to be sincere. Do make or poke fun at anyone's real impairments takes a small mind.

[KC0UUP]

Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Oct. 23 2005,09:53)]Quote[/b] (KC0OFZ @ Oct. 22 2005,21:08)]KC5SAS
Nice Bunker Gear. That red gear really is sharp. Now that bunker gear is clean because you take the time to clean and wash your gear, right?
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
If so good job, one of the more dangerous things as you know is dirty gear. Anyway nice gear. BTW what kind of SCBA do you run there as I noticed you are wearing a pack and holding the facemask. My dept uses ISI here, not too bad keeps clean air in the ol' lungs.
KC0OFZ
Probably one of the ones wearing SCBA and orbiting a structure on fire outside. LOL!
At least he gets a mask.

I hate being a rookie!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[k6pme]

Quote[/b] (KC0UUP @ Oct. 24 2005,11:21)]At least he gets a mask. #

I hate being a rookie!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
SAY WHAT?

Unless your restricted by agency policy from hazardous environments, or being anywhere near hazardous environments, you should have complete access to an SCBA and your own assigned face piece. No person should ever be denied the access to proper safety equipment. I don't care what agency or the status of any member. This is a HUGE violation of LAW.

If you have any questions feel free to PM or e-mail me.

Now back to the thread...

Outstanding job by Billy, KC0EIO! It's always good to see someone overcome disabilities to achieve their goals. I see he wants to become a CW operator. I hope I get to work him someday.

[ky5u]

Quote[/b] ]qql: SAY WHAT?

Unless your restricted by agency policy from hazardous environments, or being anywhere near hazardous environments, you should have complete access to an SCBA and your own assigned face piece. No person should ever be denied the access to proper safety equipment. I don't care what agency or the status of any member. This is a HUGE violation of LAW.

My Chief said SCBAs are for sissies and he won't let us wear them. When we sniff around a rail car hazmat leak, how can you smell the chemical with a mask on?

[k6pme]

Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Oct. 24 2005,16:33)]Quote[/b] ]qql: SAY WHAT?

Unless your restricted by agency policy from hazardous environments, or being anywhere near hazardous environments, you should have complete access to an SCBA and your own assigned face piece. No person should ever be denied the access to proper safety equipment. I don't care what agency or the status of any member. This is a HUGE violation of LAW.

My Chief said SCBAs are for sissies and he won't let us wear them. #When we sniff around a rail car hazmat leak, how can you smell the chemical with a mask on?
hehehe...now that's OLD SCHOOL! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[KC0OFZ]

Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Oct. 24 2005,16:33)]Quote[/b] ]qql: SAY WHAT?

Unless your restricted by agency policy from hazardous environments, or being anywhere near hazardous environments, you should have complete access to an SCBA and your own assigned face piece. No person should ever be denied the access to proper safety equipment. I don't care what agency or the status of any member. This is a HUGE violation of LAW.

My Chief said SCBAs are for sissies and he won't let us wear them. #When we sniff around a rail car hazmat leak, how can you smell the chemical with a mask on?
Looking at your bio which has an impressive resume in public service I will assume that you were being a little sarcastic with that statement and will add my own. #Here we don't have to sniff out hazmat environments. # We usually leave that to the first on scene and sometimes that is law enforcement..... HA. #Anyway, good job in your experiences, very commendable. #Makes my 4 years of service look like a small feat indeed.

To QQL, if your agency will not provide the necessary equipment get off. #I admire your drive and desire to serve, but no one should be for lack of gear. #Please remember your safety is NUMBER 1 and do no take any risks that can be prevented with the proper gear, proper training and good common sence. #If this is indeed true some city, county, or whatever is setting themselves up for a very uncomfortable time in court. #Good luck and be safe my friend
KC0OFZ

[k6pme]

Quote[/b] (KC0OFZ @ Oct. 24 2005,17:23)]To QQL, if your agency will not provide the necessary equipment get off. #I admire your drive and desire to serve, but no one should be for lack of gear. #Please remember your safety is NUMBER 1 and do no take any risks that can be prevented with the proper gear, proper training and good common sence. #
OFZ, We get all the best stuff. I'm one of those that makes sure of it. As the longest standing member of the current safety group and accident investigation team I'm usually the one the Safety Officer turns to when he has questions or needs to clarify policy. (he is new at his job, being a desk position I didn't want it. I will retire as a line Engine Captain thank you very much) Consequently, I get to deal with Niosh, Osha, NFPA safety standards....

But thanks for the comments. You be safe too!

[KC0OFZ]

Quote[/b] (KG6QQL @ Oct. 24 2005,17:34)]Quote[/b] (KC0OFZ @ Oct. 24 2005,17:23)]To QQL, if your agency will not provide the necessary equipment get off. #I admire your drive and desire to serve, but no one should be for lack of gear. #Please remember your safety is NUMBER 1 and do no take any risks that can be prevented with the proper gear, proper training and good common sence. #
OFZ, We get all the best stuff. I'm one of those that makes sure of it. As the longest standing member of the current safety group and accident investigation team I'm usually the one the Safety Officer turns to when he has questions or needs to clarify policy. (he is new at his job, being a desk position I didn't want it. I will retire as a line Engine Captain thank you very much) Consequently, I get to deal with Niosh, Osha, NFPA safety standards....

But thanks for the comments. You be safe too!
KG6QQL
Sorry about that, I really ment that for KC0UUP. I just get concerned about safety and did not proof read as careful as I should have. I had a concern about a fellow brother who made a comment about being a rookie and a possible lacking for equipment. Glad to hear you get the equipment you need. We do here as well. I again am sorry if I was in a hurry and did not proof read as well as I should. Take care my friend.
KC0OFZ

[k6pme]

Quote[/b] (KC0OFZ @ Oct. 24 2005,17:48)]Quote[/b] (KG6QQL @ Oct. 24 2005,17:34)]Quote[/b] (KC0OFZ @ Oct. 24 2005,17:23)]To QQL, if your agency will not provide the necessary equipment get off. #I admire your drive and desire to serve, but no one should be for lack of gear. #Please remember your safety is NUMBER 1 and do no take any risks that can be prevented with the proper gear, proper training and good common sence. #
OFZ, We get all the best stuff. I'm one of those that makes sure of it. As the longest standing member of the current safety group and accident investigation team I'm usually the one the Safety Officer turns to when he has questions or needs to clarify policy. (he is new at his job, being a desk position I didn't want it. I will retire as a line Engine Captain thank you very much) Consequently, I get to deal with Niosh, Osha, NFPA safety standards....

But thanks for the comments. You be safe too!
KG6QQL
Sorry about that, I really ment that for KC0UUP. #I just get concerned about safety and did not proof read as careful as I should have. #I had a concern about a fellow brother who made a comment about being a rookie and a possible lacking for equipment. #Glad to hear you get the equipment you need. #We do here as well. #I again am sorry if I was in a hurry and did not proof read as well as I should. #Take care my friend.
KC0OFZ
Not a problem. I had the same concern for UUP myself.

(although I'm wondering now if he was being sarcastic)

[ky5u]

Quote[/b] (KG6QQL @ Oct. 24 2005,17:55)]Quote[/b] (KC0OFZ @ Oct. 24 2005,17:48)]Quote[/b] (KG6QQL @ Oct. 24 2005,17:34)]Quote[/b] (KC0OFZ @ Oct. 24 2005,17:23)]To QQL, if your agency will not provide the necessary equipment get off. I admire your drive and desire to serve, but no one should be for lack of gear. Please remember your safety is NUMBER 1 and do no take any risks that can be prevented with the proper gear, proper training and good common sence.
OFZ, We get all the best stuff. I'm one of those that makes sure of it. As the longest standing member of the current safety group and accident investigation team I'm usually the one the Safety Officer turns to when he has questions or needs to clarify policy. (he is new at his job, being a desk position I didn't want it. I will retire as a line Engine Captain thank you very much) Consequently, I get to deal with Niosh, Osha, NFPA safety standards....

But thanks for the comments. You be safe too!
KG6QQL
Sorry about that, I really ment that for KC0UUP. I just get concerned about safety and did not proof read as careful as I should have. I had a concern about a fellow brother who made a comment about being a rookie and a possible lacking for equipment. Glad to hear you get the equipment you need. We do here as well. I again am sorry if I was in a hurry and did not proof read as well as I should. Take care my friend.
KC0OFZ
Not a problem. I had the same concern for UUP myself.

(although I'm wondering now if he was being sarcastic)
As the Catholics say..... BINGO!

[k6pme]

A little slow on the uptake now and then but eventually I get there.

[ai4ep]

...what happened to the original topic of this thread ?

[KC0UUP]

Quote[/b] (KG6QQL @ Oct. 24 2005,06:50)]Quote[/b] (KC0UUP @ Oct. 24 2005,11:21)]At least he gets a mask. #

I hate being a rookie!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
SAY WHAT?

Unless your restricted by agency policy from hazardous environments, or being anywhere near hazardous environments, you should have complete access to an SCBA and your own assigned face piece. No person should ever be denied the access to proper safety equipment. I don't care what agency or the status of any member. This is a HUGE violation of LAW.

If you have any questions feel free to PM or e-mail me.

Now back to the thread...

Outstanding job by Billy, KC0EIO! It's always good to see someone overcome disabilities to achieve their goals. I see he wants to become a CW operator. I hope I get to work him someday.
It is just a training issue. #I have only been a volunteer for a couple of months so I just have to get some training time in first. #

It would probably be rather bad if they put someone in a mask and had them freak out at a bad time.

[KA3RFE]

Quote[/b] (KG6QQL @ Oct. 24 2005,13:50)]Quote[/b] (KC0UUP @ Oct. 24 2005,11:21)]At least he gets a mask. #

I hate being a rookie!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
SAY WHAT?

Unless your restricted by agency policy from hazardous environments, or being anywhere near hazardous environments, you should have complete access to an SCBA and your own assigned face piece. No person should ever be denied the access to proper safety equipment. I don't care what agency or the status of any member. This is a HUGE violation of LAW.

If you have any questions feel free to PM or e-mail me.

Now back to the thread...

Outstanding job by Billy, KC0EIO! It's always good to see someone overcome disabilities to achieve their goals. I see he wants to become a CW operator. I hope I get to work him someday.
Whose's law you talking about?? Here, NO ONE MASKS UP AND GOES INSIDE UNTIL PASSING BASIC TRAINING! Thats where the learning is. This is state-wide, the course is taught by University of Maryland instructors and they take it very seriously. Not sure of classroom hours now, it was 54 hours when I took it in the 60's. It's gone up a lot longer now.

Utrained members may respond after pre-basic training done at the station but they do not go into a fire. They have to stay outside and are limited in what they can do outside. If masks have to be worn, they have to hang back.

No undtrained person should be placed in a dangerous situation where they can be injured from not knowing what they're doing.

73

[ai4ep]

What does this have to do with folks who dont know CW from running HF nets ?

" No untrained person should be placed in a dangerous situation where they can be injured from not knowing what they are doing "

[W0LC]

Frankly, I give the kid kudo's for the effort, etc. Regardless how fast or slow the CW speed was. Certainly puts to shame all the whiners and cry babies that won't bother to learn CW and yet here is someone that did with much more of an obstacle then getting off the sofa!

Frankly, I have always felt that Conditional licenses should be granted to certain medical conditions so an individual like this doesn't have to learn CW unless he actually wants to use it.

I have met and known a good many handicapped, yes, real handicapped individuals, that studied and passed the 13 and 20 WPM elements back when. Some of these individuals could not use their hands, etc. Yet, they did it.

Again, kudos to the lad for the effort put forth!

[ky5u]

Quote[/b] (W0LC @ Oct. 27 2005,10:07)]Frankly, I give the kid kudo's for the effort, etc. Regardless how fast or slow the CW speed was. Certainly puts to shame all the whiners and cry babies that won't bother to learn CW and yet here is someone that did with much more of an obstacle then getting off the sofa!

Frankly, I have always felt that Conditional licenses should be granted to certain medical conditions so an individual like this doesn't have to learn CW unless he actually wants to use it.

I have met and known a good many handicapped, yes, real handicapped individuals, that studied and passed the 13 and 20 WPM elements back when. Some of these individuals could not use their hands, etc. Yet, they did it.

Again, kudos to the lad for the effort put forth!
I have known many educated people, even 3 "PHD" holders who did not want to come into amateur radio beacuse of the code. In talking to them the universal feeling was that because of their "standing" in life, they should simply be given an Amateur license. They say studying for CW as beneath them. My feeling in speaking to them is that they were simply sacred to death to fail.

That is why the story of this young man is so amazing. He had more courage than many "highly educated" people who refuse to try.

[k6pme]

Quote[/b] (KA3RFE @ Oct. 26 2005,13:57)]Quote[/b] (KG6QQL @ Oct. 24 2005,13:50)]Quote[/b] (KC0UUP @ Oct. 24 2005,11:21)]At least he gets a mask. #

I hate being a rookie!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
SAY WHAT?

Unless your restricted by agency policy from hazardous environments, or being anywhere near hazardous environments, you should have complete access to an SCBA and your own assigned face piece. No person should ever be denied the access to proper safety equipment. I don't care what agency or the status of any member. This is a HUGE violation of LAW.

If you have any questions feel free to PM or e-mail me.

Now back to the thread...

Outstanding job by Billy, KC0EIO! It's always good to see someone overcome disabilities to achieve their goals. I see he wants to become a CW operator. I hope I get to work him someday.
Whose's law you talking about?? Here, NO ONE MASKS UP AND GOES INSIDE UNTIL PASSING BASIC TRAINING!
Just about every OSHA law in the land. The original post didn't say anything about being a volunteer trainee.

[N8CPA]

It just shows that obstacles between a person and a goal are only obstacles, not barriers and not "burdens." NCI and NCVEC, take note!

[W0LC]

An obstacle is only one if you choose to make it one.

Every obstacle has a solution, rather then running from it.

[KA3RFE]

You know something? I don't consider my hearing and vision impairments to be an obstacle. I never have. There almost always are some ways to work around the problems with both.

Extra light in the shack that I can turn on to shine on the rigs when I need to push buttons and a magnifying glass work just fine. I use earphones for the audio and turn the volume up only slightly from the lower edge and turn my hearing aids down to both prevent feedback on them and to get away from what sounds to me like some distortion. As I have it set up, the signals are clear as a bell and I can copy all but the very weak ones. I can sense them, but they don't come in. But I copy everything else just fine.

And my hearing is almost gone. I only hear one frequency at the very bottom of the audio test.

If anyone is reading this who wants to know or needs to know how to get around a hearing loss to copy code, email me. I'd be happy to help.

[w4rot]

Some of us build fences.
Some of us jump over them.
The kid's got heart.
I wish him the best!
w4rot