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M5AKA
10-18-2005, 12:07 PM
At the first moment of Wednesday 19 October 2005 the new Australian amateur
licence structure will came into force.
At that time, the Determination made by the Australian Communications and
Media Authority amending the Amateur Licence Conditions Determination
becomes the law.
What does it mean?
It means that as from that time the Foundation licence exists, and we hope
that the Foundation Licences will be issued by the end of this week, to
those who qualified at the Foundation training course conducted by the Gold
Coast Amateur Radio Society on the weekend of 15 and 16 October.
The amateur Foundation licensee can only use a transmitter that has been
manufactured commercially, can only use voice, on either SSB, AM or FM or
morse using a manually operated morse key, and not more than 10 watts output
power ssb or 3 watts output power AM, FM or CW.
The Foundation station can operate on the 80, 40, 15 and 10 metre bands as
well as the 2 metre band and the band 430 to 450 MHz, subject to necessary
bandwidth restrictions.
It means that the Standard licence now exists, and this licence includes the
existing Novice, and Novice Limited licensees, who now can use any emission
mode with a necessary bandwidth not exceeding 8 kHz on the 80, 40, 20 and 15
metre bands, and any emission mode with a necessary bandwidth not exceeding
16 kHz on the 10 metre band, the band 52 to 54 MHz, the 2 metre band, and
the bands 430 to 450 MHz, 1240 to 1300 MHz, 2,400 to 2,450 MHz and 5.650 to
5.850 GHz, with no change to the current output power limits of 100 watts
and 30 watts.
It means that the Advanced licence exists, and this licence includes the
existing Unrestricted licence, the Limited licence and the Intermediate
licence, who can use any emission mode with a necessary bandwidth not
exceeding 8 kHz on all bands below 24.990 MHz, any emission mode with a
necessary bandwidth not exceeding 16 kHz on the 28.00 MHz to 29.70 MHz band,
any emission mode with a necessary bandwidth not exceeding 100 kHz on the 6
and 2 metre bands and any emission mode with no bandwidth restriction above
420 MHz, and with no change to the current output power limits of 400 watts
and 120 watts.
Full details of the Determination and other administrative details including
the arrangements being made by ACMA to substitute new licences for existing
licenses can be found at the ACMA website, www.acma.gov.au, and all amateurs
are urged to check that site for the full and authorative information.
The WIA welcomes the changes.
WIA President, Michael Owen, VK3KI, said today "The WIA welcomes these long
awaited changes, and in particular welcomes the new Foundation licence,
which we hope will encourage many newcomers to our exciting interest.
We also know that there will be many amateurs operating on the 40 and 20
metre bands for the first time with those bands available to Standard
licensees.
We urge all amateurs to make all these newcomers welcome.
The WIA would also like to acknowledge the cooperative approach of ACMA in
establishing the new syllabi for the various licences and the establishment
of the new WIA assessment of competency system relying on WIA accredited and
registered Assessors, essential for the practical assessment required for
the Foundation qualification and, indeed, for any first amateur licence."
"Our only regret is that we believe that the power limit of 3 watts for AM,
FM and CW for the Foundation licence, while perfectly logical, is
unrealistic given the output power of commercially available equipment,
particularly older equipment, and that the power limit should be 10 watts.
The WIA has already drawn ACMA's attention to this problem, and has
requested that the limit be changed at the first opportunity. #
That apart, the WIA believes that these changes to the Australian amateur
licence structure will strengthen our hobby, and encourage many more people
to become licensed radio amateurs."
Regards and 73
Col Thompson - VK2TRC
National WIA Web Administrator
Wireless Institute of Australia - #http://www.wia.org.au
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About time,
and welcome to all the new stations.
My massive aerial array is now pointing to the antipodes,
73
Howard
KG4ZQZ
10-21-2005, 09:49 PM
- i'm a tad unsure about the licensing structure... am i right to assume:
Foundation [sic] Licence
Standard Licence, under which are:
Novice and Novice Limited
and
Advanced Licence, under which are:
Unrestricted, Limited and Intermediate
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
this is six different licenses? how many were there before?
WoW!
No. #I think the number of licenses in Australia has been reduced from five (5) to three (3), as explained here by WIA:
"Reforms include a reduction in the number of licence levels from five to three, the formal removal of morse testing, more privileges for Novice licensees and the introdution of a simplified entry-level 'foundation' licence category. Licence levels will also be renamed, as follows:
* (new category) > Foundation
* Novice Limited > Standard
* Novice > Standard
* Limited > Advanced
* Intermediate > Advanced
* Unrestricted > Advanced"
VE7RFH
10-21-2005, 10:31 PM
I wonder if this will spell the death of Morse Code use by Australian licensees?
Quote[/b] (VE7RFH @ Oct. 21 2005,23:31)]I wonder if this will spell the death of Morse Code use by Australian licensees?
Hello Sir,
I doubt it will spell the end of Morse Code (CW) use in VK? As the removal of Morse Code testing to gain access to HF in the U.K some 3 years ago has had No effect on the use of CW here!
CW is still enjoyed by All those who use it and those like me who have learnt it since the removal of testing.
I look forward to hearing some new stations on HF from VK.
73s de Samantha 2e1dau
Edit:
The new VK Foundation Licence is similar to the U.K Foundation Licence except that the U.K Foundation licence has access to All of HF with 10W since Jan 2002?
KQ6XA
10-22-2005, 04:03 AM
Congratulations to Australian Amateur Radio!
Australia now joins other countries in the 21st century of radio: with excellent bandwidth-based spectrum management, a good licensing system, and a wonderful environment for advancement of technology in communications.
Sadly, this also emphasizes how ridiculous Amateur Radio in USA looks, with antiquated mode-based amateur radio rules built on early 20th century radio modes!
Perhaps within the next year or so, when bandwidth-based rules are enacted, USA amateurs will also get the chance to bust out a little from our technology jail. Too bad the proposed ARRL bandwidth-based plan is so constrictive: devoting such absurdly large chunks of the HF bands to 200Hz bandwidth! ARRL could learn a little from Australia (and Canada) about how to do spectrum management the right way... 8kHz bandwidth on HF!
.
vk4kss
10-22-2005, 11:06 AM
Quote[/b] (VE7RFH @ Oct. 22 2005,01:31)]I wonder if this will spell the death of Morse Code use by Australian licensees?
As of January 1st, 2004, Morse code has not been required to access the HF amateur allocations in Australia. As a result some licence classes were merged: -
All Novice Limited (NLAOCP) and Novice (NAOCP) licensees were merged and all privileges were the same as the old Novice class licence.
All Limited (LAOCP), Combined Limited (CLAOCP) and Unrestricted (AOCP) licensees were merged and all privileges were the same as the old unrestricted class licence.
This effectively gave two licence classes even thought the old five licence (and certificate) structure was retained in the interim.
What happened on October 19, 2005 is the direct result of the World Radio Conference and the Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA) consultation process held during 2003
Funny thing is, most students who come thought the school that I help run say that dropping Morse has given them the push to (a) become radio amateurs and (b) learn Morse code.
You would be surprised at how many enquires I get from students asking about the best way to learn Morse
73 Adam VK4KSS
R&ES
Quote[/b] (vk4kss @ Oct. 22 2005,04:06)]Funny thing is, most students who come thought the school that I help run say that dropping Morse has given them the push to (a) become radio amateurs and (b) learn Morse code.
You would be surprised at how many enquires I get from students asking about the best way to learn Morse
73 Adam VK4KSS
R&ES
That is interesting, as it is the complete opposite of our experience here in US. We have many demanding the banning of Morse Code. (As you have no doubt seen right here on QRZ.com.)
Quote[/b] (KQ6XA @ Oct. 21 2005,21:03)]Sadly, this also emphasizes how ridiculous Amateur Radio in USA looks, with antiquated mode-based amateur radio rules built on early 20th century radio modes!
Rather ridiculous statement IMO. PSK was around in "early 20th century"? Coulda fooled me!
kd4mxe
10-22-2005, 07:16 PM
Quote[/b] (vk4kss @ Oct. 22 2005,04:06)]Quote[/b] (VE7RFH @ Oct. 22 2005,01:31)]I wonder if this will spell the death of Morse Code use by Australian licensees?
As of January 1st, 2004, Morse code has not been required to access the HF amateur allocations in Australia. As a result some licence classes were merged: -
All Novice Limited (NLAOCP) and Novice (NAOCP) licensees were merged and all privileges were the same as the old Novice class licence.
All Limited (LAOCP), Combined Limited (CLAOCP) and Unrestricted (AOCP) licensees were merged and all privileges were the same as the old unrestricted class licence.
This effectively gave two licence classes even thought the old five licence (and certificate) structure was retained in the interim.
What happened on October 19, 2005 is the direct result of the World Radio Conference and the Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA) consultation process held during 2003
Funny thing is, most students who come thought the school that I help run say that dropping Morse has given them the push to (a) become radio amateurs and (b) learn Morse code.
You would be surprised at how many enquires I get from students asking about the best way to learn Morse
73 Adam VK4KSS
R&ES
vk4ss that is good it should have Been done years ago , and I Belive the same thing will Happen Here , 73 good luck , Bill
kd4mxe
10-22-2005, 07:25 PM
Quote[/b] (KQ6XA @ Oct. 21 2005,21:03)]Congratulations to Australian Amateur Radio!
Australia now joins other countries in the 21st century of radio: with excellent bandwidth-based spectrum management, a good licensing system, and a wonderful environment for advancement of technology in communications.
Sadly, this also emphasizes how ridiculous Amateur Radio in USA looks, with antiquated mode-based amateur radio rules built on early 20th century radio modes!
Perhaps within the next year or so, when bandwidth-based rules are enacted, USA amateurs will also get the chance to bust out a little from our technology jail. Too bad the proposed ARRL bandwidth-based plan is so constrictive: devoting such absurdly large chunks of the HF bands to 200Hz bandwidth! ARRL could learn a little from Australia (and Canada) about how to do spectrum management the right way... 8kHz bandwidth on HF!
.
kq6xa- good post tell them like it is , 73 Bill
M5AKA
10-22-2005, 08:32 PM
Quote[/b] (K4JF @ Oct. 22 2005,11:50)]That is interesting, as it is the complete opposite of our experience here in US. #We have many demanding the banning of Morse Code. #(As you have no doubt seen right here on QRZ.com.)
Which proves the point, when something is rammed down peoples throats they naturally fight back and seek to destroy it.
Morse has a great many merits and should be promoted on that basis. People are more likely to listen with open minds when they are given a free choice.
73 Trevor M5AKA
n5rfx
10-22-2005, 08:51 PM
Quote[/b] (K4JF @ Oct. 21 2005,12:50)]That is interesting, as it is the complete opposite of our experience here in US. We have many demanding the banning of Morse Code. (As you have no doubt seen right here on QRZ.com.)
A totally baseless comment. I have only seen a movement to eliminate Morse proficiency testing.
73,
Mark N5RFX
n5rfx
10-22-2005, 08:53 PM
Quote[/b] (kd4mxe @ Oct. 21 2005,13:25)]Quote[/b] (KQ6XA @ Oct. 21 2005,21:03)]Congratulations to Australian Amateur Radio!
.
kq6xa- good post tell them like it is , 73 Bill
Agreed. Nice post.
73,
Mark N5RFX
kd4mxe
10-22-2005, 10:34 PM
Quote[/b] (n5rfx @ Oct. 22 2005,13:51)]Quote[/b] (K4JF @ Oct. 21 2005,12:50)]That is interesting, as it is the complete opposite of our experience here in US. #We have many demanding the banning of Morse Code. #(As you have no doubt seen right here on QRZ.com.)
A totally baseless comment. #I have only seen a movement to eliminate Morse proficiency testing.
73,
Mark N5RFX
n5rfx thats all I have seen to , you are Right , 73 Bill
vk4kss
10-22-2005, 11:01 PM
Quote[/b] (K4JF @ Oct. 22 2005,21:50)]Quote[/b] (vk4kss @ Oct. 22 2005,04:06)]Funny thing is, most students who come thought the school that I help run say that dropping Morse has given them the push to (a) become radio amateurs and (b) learn Morse code.
You would be surprised at how many enquires I get from students asking about the best way to learn Morse
73 Adam VK4KSS
R&ES
That is interesting, as it is the complete opposite of our experience here in US. #We have many demanding the banning of Morse Code. #(As you have no doubt seen right here on QRZ.com.)
Exactly the same thing happend here... most wanted it (Morse) abolished as an examinable subject but a vocal few wanted it retained.
It became very heated here for a while, both on and off air, It has settled down some now and most have accepted it as the right thing to do to try and bring AR into the current century.
VE7RFH
10-23-2005, 02:05 AM
Quote[/b] (2e1dau @ Oct. 21 2005,15:50)]Quote[/b] (VE7RFH @ Oct. 21 2005,23:31)]I wonder if this will spell the death of Morse Code use by Australian licensees?
Hello Sir,
I doubt it will spell the end of Morse Code (CW) use in VK? As the removal of Morse Code testing to gain access to HF in the U.K some 3 years ago has had No effect on the use of CW here!
CW is still enjoyed by All those who use it and those like me who have learnt it since the removal of testing.
I look forward to hearing some new stations on HF from VK.
73s de Samantha 2e1dau
Edit:
The new VK Foundation Licence is similar to the U.K Foundation Licence except that the U.K Foundation licence has access to All of HF with 10W since Jan 2002?
I think you missed the intended irony in my post. I am an ardent supporter of CW Morse Code as a mode, but I do not support the inclusion of a Morse Code proficiency test in the license requirements as I have indicated in several posts in various threads here.
Quote[/b] (n5rfx @ Oct. 22 2005,13:51)]Quote[/b] (K4JF @ Oct. 21 2005,12:50)]That is interesting, as it is the complete opposite of our experience here in US. #We have many demanding the banning of Morse Code. #(As you have no doubt seen right here on QRZ.com.)
A totally baseless comment. #I have only seen a movement to eliminate Morse proficiency testing.
73,
Mark N5RFX
Haven't been reading much on QRZ.com, have we? Additional suggested reading: eham.com
Quote[/b] (M5AKA @ Oct. 22 2005,13:32)]Quote[/b] (K4JF @ Oct. 22 2005,11:50)]That is interesting, as it is the complete opposite of our experience here in US. #We have many demanding the banning of Morse Code. #(As you have no doubt seen right here on QRZ.com.)
Which proves the point, when something is rammed down peoples throats they naturally fight back and seek to destroy it.
73 Trevor M5AKA
Don't know of anything being rammed down anyone's throat. Qualification for Amateur Radio license in US is 100% voluntary.
vk3pjb
10-23-2005, 07:59 AM
Hi
New callsgns for Foundation are 4 letter calls starting with F
so far ,here are the new ops calls
VK4FRST
VK4FOXX
VK4FIRE
VK4FINX
VK4FROG
All are in Queensland
I reckon its great as we can now get those people heavily interested in computers ,electronics into the hobby
And the frequencies, its great they have 40 metres as they can into qsos with others in other countries and push amateur radio into an arena which really does involve experimental stuff instead of we black box operators
Regards
Peter Julian Broughan
VK3PJB
kd4mxe
10-23-2005, 12:46 PM
Quote[/b] (vk3pjb @ Oct. 23 2005,00:59)]Hi
New callsgns for Foundation are 4 letter calls starting with F
so far ,here are the new ops calls
VK4FRST
VK4FOXX
VK4FIRE
VK4FINX
VK4FROG
All are in Queensland
I reckon its great as we can now get those people heavily interested in #computers ,electronics into the hobby
And the frequencies, its great they have 40 metres as they can into qsos with others in other countries #and push amateur radio into an arena which really does involve experimental stuff instead of we black box operators
Regards
Peter Julian Broughan
VK3PJB
vk3pib well it sounds like you all got it going on ,down there , if the world stands long enought the good old USA just may make a move some day , good luck to you guys , 73 Bill
Quote[/b] (VE7RFH @ Oct. 23 2005,03:05)]Quote[/b] (2e1dau @ Oct. 21 2005,15:50)]Quote[/b] (VE7RFH @ Oct. 21 2005,23:31)]I wonder if this will spell the death of Morse Code use by Australian licensees?
Hello Sir,
I doubt it will spell the end of Morse Code (CW) use in VK? As the removal of Morse Code testing to gain access to HF in the U.K some 3 years ago has had No effect on the use of CW here!
CW is still enjoyed by All those who use it and those like me who have learnt it since the removal of testing.
I look forward to hearing some new stations on HF from VK.
73s de Samantha 2e1dau
Edit:
The new VK Foundation Licence is similar to the U.K Foundation Licence except that the U.K Foundation licence has access to All of HF with 10W since Jan 2002?
I think you missed the intended irony in my post. #I am an ardent supporter of CW Morse Code as a mode, but I do not support the inclusion of a Morse Code proficiency test in the license requirements as I have indicated in several posts in various threads here.
Hello Sir,
Sorry we seem to have our wires crossed?
I agree that their should be no testing for Morse Code, like here in the U.K
My point being that although there is no longer a Test for Morse Code in the U.K Morse Code (CW) is Still enjoyed and used by All those who wish to use it and continues to be learnt by those who Wish to learn it.
From the U.K view point this has Not spelt the end of the mode! Testing for Morse Code has Nothing to do with the Use of Morse Code on HF?
73s de Samantha 2e1dau
VE7RFH
10-23-2005, 10:28 PM
Quote[/b] (2e1dau @ Oct. 23 2005,13:53)]Quote[/b] (VE7RFH @ Oct. 23 2005,03:05)]Quote[/b] (2e1dau @ Oct. 21 2005,15:50)]Quote[/b] (VE7RFH @ Oct. 21 2005,23:31)]I wonder if this will spell the death of Morse Code use by Australian licensees?
Hello Sir,
I doubt it will spell the end of Morse Code (CW) use in VK? As the removal of Morse Code testing to gain access to HF in the U.K some 3 years ago has had No effect on the use of CW here!
CW is still enjoyed by All those who use it and those like me who have learnt it since the removal of testing.
I look forward to hearing some new stations on HF from VK.
73s de Samantha 2e1dau
Edit:
The new VK Foundation Licence is similar to the U.K Foundation Licence except that the U.K Foundation licence has access to All of HF with 10W since Jan 2002?
I think you missed the intended irony in my post. #I am an ardent supporter of CW Morse Code as a mode, but I do not support the inclusion of a Morse Code proficiency test in the license requirements as I have indicated in several posts in various threads here.
Hello Sir,
Sorry we seem to have our wires crossed?
I agree that their should be no testing for Morse Code, like here in the U.K
My point being that although there is no longer a Test for Morse Code in the U.K Morse Code (CW) is Still enjoyed and used by All those who wish to use it and continues to be learnt by those who Wish to learn it.
From the U.K view point this has Not spelt the end of the mode! Testing for Morse Code has Nothing to do with the Use of Morse Code on HF?
73s de Samantha 2e1dau
Good to know. It has been my assertion all along that eliminating Morse Code proficiency from the license requirement would not have any negative impact on the on-air use of the mode and it seems the results bear me out.
vk3tex
10-24-2005, 12:31 AM
Hi All,
Another good aspect of the new licence structure is the PRACTICAL assesment of the Radio course. It gives the candidates exposure to the radio gear and an understanding of how to set up their station. This assesment is required for all three grades of licence.
The simplification of the structure to three grades of licences is also very welcome, as now all VK Amateurs have many common bands to communicate on.
Welcome standard licencees also to the 20 and 40 metre band. Good to hear the extra activity.
The transition has gone very smoothly and congratulations to the W.I.A on their efforts with the Australian Communications and Media Authority!
Cheers,
Les, VK3TEX.
kd4mxe
10-24-2005, 12:56 PM
Quote[/b] (vk3tex @ Oct. 23 2005,17:31)]Hi All,
Another good aspect of the new licence structure is the PRACTICAL assesment of the Radio course. It gives the candidates exposure to the radio gear and an understanding of how to set up their station. This assesment is required for all three grades of licence.
The simplification of the structure to three grades of licences is also very welcome, as now all VK Amateurs have many common bands to communicate on.
Welcome standard licencees also to the 20 and 40 metre band. Good to hear the extra activity.
The transition has gone very smoothly and congratulations to the W.I.A on their efforts with the Australian Communications and Media Authority!
Cheers,
Les, VK3TEX.
vk3tex- well les its good to here that things are going good down there,But the ones here in the usa thats fighting this thing did not want to hear you say that it was going good , they wanted to hear you say it was going Bad ,But I am glad its going good for you guys down there and it will go good here to if we ever get to that point and time ,73 Bill
w4dlh
10-24-2005, 01:07 PM
Why is there this idea that restucturing means the death of any of the modes we all enjoy....do you this this is the end of amateur television now, or pactor or ...
kd4mxe
10-24-2005, 04:32 PM
Quote[/b] (kg4gtq @ Oct. 24 2005,06:07)]Why is there this idea that restucturing means the death of any of the modes we all enjoy....do you this this is the end of amateur television now, or pactor or ...
kq4qtq sir I could not tell you why, I am not on the other side , I think the fcc should have done it 20 years ago ,73 good luck Bill
vk3tex
10-25-2005, 12:35 AM
Hi Bill, KD4MXE,
Thanks for your reply Bill.
Another interesting FACT is that the decline in Amateur Radio licences(in VK) has actually slowed and stopped and there has been a small increase in new Amateurs. Only a very small percentage, but still an increase.
This survey was conducted by our WIA(same as your ARRL)just before the restructure, and it can only get better as time goes on.
I am so impressed with our WIA's efforts, i think i will go out and get behind and support them with a new membership!
I'll probably get flamed for my next few comments, but i'll go and put my firemans suit on....
CW testing requirement: I have never understood the requirement for a testing of this MODE of communication. It may have been relevant when CW was the primary mode of Amateur Communication, but that is no longer the the case in the 21st century.
One Ham i know, actually never needed morse to pass his exams(Novice Limited). But once he had got on to HF, and became comfortable with the procedures and his station, he as since developed an interest in CW. A key now sits beside his rig. He now practices at HIS leisure without any pressure put on him to PASS A TEST. AND he can enjoy everything else which is great about Amateur Radio as-well.
My opinion about lifting the morse requirement is that it will(has) actually spark peoples curiosity about the mode and they can then explore it in their own personal way and time. I can't see anything wrong with this.
Bill, i agree with you that these changes should have been done many years ago, but in VK's case, better late than never....
One final comment to your ARRL and FCC. You should take a good look around you and see what other countries are doing. You may learn a thing or two.
Cheers,
Les, VK3TEX.
kd4mxe
10-25-2005, 02:13 AM
Quote[/b] (vk3tex @ Oct. 24 2005,17:35)]Hi Bill, KD4MXE,
Thanks for your reply Bill.
Another interesting FACT is that the decline in Amateur Radio licences(in VK) has actually slowed and stopped and there has been a small increase in new Amateurs. Only a very small percentage, but still an increase.
This survey was conducted by our WIA(same as your ARRL)just before the restructure, and it can only get better as time goes on.
I am so impressed with our WIA's efforts, i think i will go out and get behind and support them with a new membership!
I'll probably get flamed for my next few comments, but i'll go and put my firemans suit on....
CW testing requirement: I have never understood the requirement for a testing of this MODE of communication. It may have been relevant when CW was the primary mode of Amateur Communication, but that is no longer the the case in the 21st century.
One Ham i know, actually never needed morse to pass his exams(Novice Limited). But once he had got on to HF, and became comfortable with the procedures and his station, he as since developed an interest in CW. A key now sits beside his rig. He now practices at HIS leisure without any pressure put on him to PASS A TEST. AND he can enjoy everything else which is great about Amateur Radio as-well.
My opinion about lifting the morse requirement is that it will(has) actually spark peoples curiosity about the mode and they can then explore it in their own personal way and time. I can't see anything wrong with this.
Bill, i agree with you that these changes should have been done many years ago, but in VK's case, better late than never....
One final comment to your ARRL and FCC. You should take a good look around you and see what other countries are doing. You may learn a thing or two.
Cheers,
Les, VK3TEX.
vk3tex - sir I agree with you all the way good post 73 good luck ,Bill
VE7RFH
10-25-2005, 03:09 AM
Hear hear, VK3TEX, well said.
WA2ZDY
10-25-2005, 10:54 AM
Quote[/b] (kd4mxe @ Oct. 24 2005,12:32)]Quote[/b] (kg4gtq @ Oct. 24 2005,06:07)]Why is there this idea that restucturing means the death of any of the modes we all enjoy....do you this this is the end of amateur television now, or pactor or ...
kq4qtq #sir I could not tell you why, I am not on the other side , I think the fcc should #have done it 20 years ago ,73 good luck Bill
Why 20? Why not 30? 40? If it had been 32 years ago, it would have helped me.
I'm thinking it was about 20 years ago you got interested in ham radio perhaps? And 20 years you've wanted to get on HF?
kd4mxe
10-25-2005, 12:01 PM
Quote[/b] (WA2ZDY @ Oct. 25 2005,03:54)]Quote[/b] (kd4mxe @ Oct. 24 2005,12:32)]Quote[/b] (kg4gtq @ Oct. 24 2005,06:07)]Why is there this idea that restucturing means the death of any of the modes we all enjoy....do you this this is the end of amateur television now, or pactor or ...
kq4qtq #sir I could not tell you why, I am not on the other side , I think the fcc should #have done it 20 years ago ,73 good luck Bill
Why 20? #Why not 30? #40? #If it had been 32 years ago, it would have helped me.
I'm thinking it was about 20 years ago you got interested in ham radio perhaps? #And 20 years you've wanted to get on HF?
wa2zdy - well the fcc could have done it 30 or 40 years ago #that would have Been fine with me , no you are not thinking Right I would Have liked to get in to Ham Radio 45 years ago But could not get the code ,I do know some code now But not good enought to pass the test yet ,73 Bill
Quote[/b] (WA2ZDY @ Oct. 25 2005,03:54)]Quote[/b] (kd4mxe @ Oct. 24 2005,12:32)]Quote[/b] (kg4gtq @ Oct. 24 2005,06:07)]Why is there this idea that restucturing means the death of any of the modes we all enjoy....do you this this is the end of amateur television now, or pactor or ...
kq4qtq #sir I could not tell you why, I am not on the other side , I think the fcc should #have done it 20 years ago ,73 good luck Bill
Why 20? #Why not 30? #40? #If it had been 32 years ago, it would have helped me.
I'm thinking it was about 20 years ago you got interested in ham radio perhaps? #And 20 years you've wanted to get on HF?
I, for one, am glad it didn't happen 32 years ago. I have really enjoyed the last 31 years.
kd4mxe
10-26-2005, 12:20 PM
Quote[/b] (K4JF @ Oct. 25 2005,20:57)]Quote[/b] (WA2ZDY @ Oct. 25 2005,03:54)]Quote[/b] (kd4mxe @ Oct. 24 2005,12:32)]Quote[/b] (kg4gtq @ Oct. 24 2005,06:07)]Why is there this idea that restucturing means the death of any of the modes we all enjoy....do you this this is the end of amateur television now, or pactor or ...
kq4qtq #sir I could not tell you why, I am not on the other side , I think the fcc should #have done it 20 years ago ,73 good luck Bill
Why 20? #Why not 30? #40? #If it had been 32 years ago, it would have helped me.
I'm thinking it was about 20 years ago you got interested in ham radio perhaps? #And 20 years you've wanted to get on HF?
I, for one, am glad it didn't happen 32 years ago. #I have really enjoyed the last 31 years.
k4jf - yes sir and you will enjoy the next 31 years of ham Radio if you live that long ,if you dont worry about the past , 73 and and I hope to be able to talk to you 32years from now on ham Radio , good luck Bill
N2NKW
10-29-2005, 02:31 PM
Quote[/b] (M5AKA @ Oct. 18 2005,07:07)]The amateur Foundation licensee can only use a transmitter that has been
manufactured commercially...
I see nobody seems to have caught this part...or maybe nobody cares?
Doesn't this requirement kind of take away the inspiration to home brew equipment? I don't know if Australian hams homebrew equipment a lot, but this doesn't really make any kind of sense. It seems to me that it should be the other way around. Home Brew equipment to ensure your technical abilities to correctly pursue the hobby. Maybe I am wrong? IMO, I think that this will not encourage hams to get technically interested the hobby. It will encourage the communications and simplicity of the hobby but will do nothing else to keep the technical foreward motion of the hobby moving. I think it's strange to make someone pass tests to get the permission to work on or create thier own equipment.
I don't post much in the forums or anywhere here but I had to chime in on this one.
Quote[/b] (N2NKW @ Oct. 29 2005,15:31)]Quote[/b] (M5AKA @ Oct. 18 2005,07:07)]The amateur Foundation licensee can only use a transmitter that has been
manufactured commercially...
I see nobody seems to have caught this part...or maybe nobody cares?
Doesn't this requirement kind of take away the inspiration to home brew equipment? #I don't know if Australian hams homebrew equipment a lot, but this doesn't really make any kind of sense. #It seems to me that it should be the other way around. #Home Brew equipment to ensure your technical abilities to correctly pursue the hobby. #Maybe I am wrong? #IMO, I think that this will not encourage hams to get technically interested the hobby. #It will encourage the communications and simplicity of the hobby but will do nothing else to keep the technical foreward motion of the hobby moving. #I think it's strange to make someone pass tests to get the permission to work on or create thier own equipment. #
I don't post much in the forums or anywhere here but I had to chime in on this one.
Hello Sir,
Here in the U.K we also have a Foundation Licence which is limited to Commercial equipment.
The reason being is that our Licence structure is in 3 stages, each one progressing from the other, The Foundation Licence is taught to a standard that an Amateur can set up and operate a station safely and to be able to communicate effectively and also not to cause any Emc problems ect and using low power of 10w up to 70cm except for 10m.
The Foundation Licence does not teach the candidate how to build a Radio, So it makes sense that they do not Try it without the Required knowledge.
There are also practical assessments at this level
The next stage is the Intermediate Licence where more in-depth theory is taught in electronics and also Practical assessments where a candidate has to Build a Morse code Oscillator or an Swr metre ect ect
At this Licence level, you are allowed to build your own Radios!
The last is the Advance where there is more advance in-depth theory No Practical.
I hope this Helps
73s de Samantha 2e1dau
Edit:
Talking about building our own equipment....
Whenever I go to a Radio club, The radio in use is commercially made??
Now with all that Knowledge from Club Members, Why don’t they build their Own in the spirit of Amateur Radio?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif So it is Not just Foundation Licensees that seem limited?
Food for thought!
I only wish I could build a Radio to the same standard as Yaesu! But then again if I could I would not be an Amateur http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
This could also explain why not so many Amateurs build Radios anymore?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
Hello Sirs,
As not to edit my last post again....
Could it be that years ago Amateurs built their own Radios and also used Heath kits ect?
Maybe it was possible to build a Radio years ago, that could be in comparison to commercially made ones?
Now can anyone these days build a Radio to the same standard as a Yaesu or Kenwood ect with the Same features? Dsp ect?
It seems to me that these days’ people play around with Antennas and build those and other items such as an interface for digital work and such?
And that is what is considered Building?
I am Not saying I agree that this is how it should be, But the next time you go to your Radio Club have a Look at the Radio in Use!! It is Home brew?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
73s de Samantha 2e1dau
Quote[/b] (2e1dau @ Oct. 29 2005,17:57)]Now can anyone these days build a Radio to the same standard as a Yaesu or Kenwood ect with the Same features? Dsp ect?
Yes, definitely. Elecraft comes to mind. Very high quality rig.
Quote[/b] (2e1dau @ Oct. 29 2005,17:29)]Quote[/b] (N2NKW @ Oct. 29 2005,15:31)]Quote[/b] (M5AKA @ Oct. 18 2005,07:07)]The amateur Foundation licensee can only use a transmitter that has been
manufactured commercially...
I see nobody seems to have caught this part...or maybe nobody cares?
Doesn't this requirement kind of take away the inspiration to home brew equipment? #I don't know if Australian hams homebrew equipment a lot, but this doesn't really make any kind of sense. #It seems to me that it should be the other way around. #Home Brew equipment to ensure your technical abilities to correctly pursue the hobby. #Maybe I am wrong? #IMO, I think that this will not encourage hams to get technically interested the hobby. #It will encourage the communications and simplicity of the hobby but will do nothing else to keep the technical foreward motion of the hobby moving. #I think it's strange to make someone pass tests to get the permission to work on or create thier own equipment. #
I don't post much in the forums or anywhere here but I had to chime in on this one.
Hello Sir,
Here in the U.K we also have a Foundation Licence which is limited to Commercial equipment.
The reason being is that our Licence structure is in 3 stages, each one progressing from the other, The Foundation Licence is taught to a standard that an Amateur can set up and operate a station safely and to be able to communicate effectively and also not to cause any Emc problems ect and using low power of 10w up to 70cm except for 10m.
The Foundation Licence does not teach the candidate how to build a Radio, So it makes sense that they do not Try it without the Required knowledge.
There are also practical assessments at this level
The next stage is the Intermediate Licence where more in-depth theory is taught in electronics and also Practical assessments where a candidate has to Build a Morse code Oscillator or an Swr metre ect ect
At this Licence level, you are allowed to build your own Radios!
The last is the Advance where there is more advance in-depth theory No Practical.
I hope this Helps
73s de Samantha 2e1dau
Edit:
Talking about building our own equipment....
Whenever I go to a Radio club, The radio in use is commercially made??
Now with all that Knowledge from Club Members, Why don’t they build their Own in the spirit of Amateur Radio?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif So it is Not just Foundation Licensees that seem limited?
Food for thought!
I only wish I could build a Radio to the same standard as Yaesu! But then again if I could I would not be an Amateur http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
This could also explain why not so many Amateurs build Radios anymore?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
Interesting. Makes sense and tends to reinforce my opinion that the US needs an entry level license, which we do not currently have.
ve3mch
11-02-2005, 09:47 AM
Quote[/b] (2e1dau @ Oct. 29 2005,17:29)]Quote[/b] (N2NKW @ Oct. 29 2005,15:31)][quote=M5AKA,Oct. 18 2005,07:07]The amateur Foundation licensee can only use a transmitter that has been
manufactured commercially...
I see nobody seems to have caught this part...or maybe nobody cares?
any Amateurs build Radios anymore?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
For the good order
In the UK the Foundation licensee can only use commercial
transmitters and he can assemble and use commercially
good designed available transmitter kits like from Elecraft, Norcal or other QRP clubs.
That is a very good compromise and the RSGB insisted on the inclusion of kits.
I don't see the kits included in the Australian Foundation license like in the UK what is a pity if that is the case.
QRP kits are a very good start in this hobby and a good way
to learn.
Bob ve3tok / ve3mch
N2NKW
11-08-2005, 07:35 AM
It still just seems a bit weird to have to have a license to build your own radio. I don't homebrew much at all, but If I HAD to have a license or permission to build my radio, I'd probably pass on it. That seems to be taking regulation a bit too far in my eyes...
this is only my opinion though. Thats why it's called a hobby.
Enjoy The Day
Quote[/b] (N2NKW @ Nov. 08 2005,00:35)]It still just seems a bit weird to have to have a license to build your own radio. #I don't homebrew much at all, but If I HAD to have a license or permission to build my radio, I'd probably pass on it. #That seems to be taking regulation a bit too far in my eyes...
this is only my opinion though. #Thats why it's called a hobby. #
Enjoy The Day
Under current US law, which has been in place for a long time, you DO have to have a license to build your own radio transmitter (but not for a receiver). It's called an Amateur Radio License. :o)
M5AKA
11-16-2005, 08:06 PM
The Chelmsford Amateur Radio Society (CARS) were recently approached by Peter Kutas VK2UPK of the Westlakes Amateur Radio Club.
Australia has just followed the UK's lead and introduced a Foundation Licence. Peter wanted to make use of the CARS UK Foundation Power Point slides to produce a version customised for the Australian Foundation licence.
CARS readily agreed to the idea and Peter adapted the CARS slides to suit the Australian Licence.
The Australian slides can now be downloaded from
http://www.westlakesarc.org.au/
The original CARS UK Foundation, Intermediate and Advanced Power Point Slides can be downloaded from
http://www.g0mwt.org.uk/training
For further information on the Chelmsford Amateur Radio Society contact the secretary Martyn G1EFL
Tel: +44 (0)1245 469008
E-mail: info2006@g0mwt.org.uk
Website: http://www.g0mwt.org.uk/
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