We need a new President.

[KC2OOS]

What amazes me about Bush's approval rating dropping to 38% (40% if you're a Fox News fan) is not that his approval is so low, but that after five years of his idiocy, there are still 4 out of 10 people in this country who think Bush is doing a good job...

So...the next Presidential election is only three years away. Who should be the contenders?

For the Republicans, I favor:

1. Colin Powell--can he beat the bad rap from his stint with W? Is the country ready for a black President? A black, Republican President? He's got the war record, heck, he's even got a Doctrine named after him!
2. John McCain--will his party accept him? Maybe he should run as a Democrat!
3. Arnold Schwarzenegger--can the Constitution be changed in time? Or will his political career be Terminated by his association with the Kennedy Family?

For the Democrats:

1. Hillary Rodham Clinton--whatever you think of her, she's got the name and the momentum, and her six years in NY will be up this time around. But then, what do we call Bill?
2. Howard Dean--for some reason, he's now sounding like he might actually be sane, after all. Too bad he didn't sound like he does now a year and a half ago.
3 (tie) Jon Corzine & Edward Rendell--Corzine would have to win the NJ Gov. race, and leave that office. At least he knows finance! Rendell needs to give up sportscasting, and with his stints as Philly mayor, DNC Chairman, and PA Gov., he's got the resume...

The Wildcards:

1. John Kerry--will he try again? Can he capitalize on all the bad feelings? Will he say "I told you so"?
2. Joseph Biden--he's been posturing for a run lately. But does anyone really pay attention to Delaware?
3. Rudolph Giuliani--he cleaned up NY, can he clean up DC? Or will we hear too much about his mistress?
4. Richard Cheney--will he run, even though he said he wouldn't? Is his heart in it?
5. Jeb Bush--will they try for a third Bush? Maybe Barbara would be a better choice for that...
6. Condoleeza Rice--the only thing that trumps a female Presidential candidate is a black female Presidential candidate!
7. John Edwards--he almost swept his party away last time. Will he come out of hiding? Does he really have enough experience?
8. Ralph Nader--will he crash the party again?

Discuss. Talk amongst yourselves. Amuse me.

[wv6z]

Quote[/b] (KC2OOS @ Oct. 13 2005,00:20)]So...the next Presidential election is only three years away. Who should be the contenders?
AI4EP

[KC2ESD]

Newt G. or Rush L. Republican Side
Hilary C, or a Clone of Carl Marx Democrat Side.

[N7RJD]

Quote[/b] (KC2ESD @ Oct. 13 2005,17:58)]Newt G. or Rush L. Republican Side
Hilary C, or a Clone of Carl Marx Democrat Side.
What do you mean "or" on either statement. Rush is a clone of Newt and Hillary, well, if she would back off of the hormone pills for a day or two you would see Carl Marx.

I always liked the movie where the candidate had given up winning and started a campaign to collect votes under the "None of the Above" line. If there were a none of the above choice I would vote three or four times just to be sure I made my point....oh, wait, three or four wouldn't be nearly enough to help cancel out the illegal votes made by either of the other sides. Besides I think you have to either be dead or a convicted felon before they will allow you to vote more than once.

Only in America! I reserve the right to edit that last statement once we are done delivering our brand of democracy to the rest of the world.

[KC2ESD]

The Next Election, as I see it, Will be Capitalism Vs Socialism. Plain and Simple.
EIB Student, Rick KC2ESD

[n2nh]

Make that 2 years. Presidents don't do much in election years. He's probably going to take a loooong vacation while Jeb runs. Personally I'd like to see Da Pope of QRZ have a go at it. Death to BPL. Code re-instated. Novice becomes entry level. A chicken in every pot and Fr. Sarducci envoy to the Vatican. Or maybe Madonna?? Well, I suppose it's a Popey thing.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[k0ews]

They are already getting in line here in Iowa. Gov. Mike Huckabee just made his 5 trip to Iowa since July yesterday, and Sen. Evan Bayh of Indiana did the same. George Pataki and Mitt Romney also are scheduled to be here this month, and John Kerry was just in the state on Sunday.
I think the early advantage for the Republicans goes to anyone who's NOT in Washington right now, and probably a Govrenor. For the Democrats, we'll see. That party really is so far shifted to the left, I can't see them nominating a moderate like Bayh; they'll probably pin all their hopes on Hillary Clinton, or perhaps John Kerry again. I've even heard rumblings that Gore is considering a run.
All I know is that both parties will offer a lot of entertainment for the next few years as they line up and jockey for position for the nomination. I've just moved back to Iowa after 14 years away and don't remember this many candidates this early already getting in line. Maybe that's the way the game is played now. In 1988 there were a lot of candidates here as early as 1986, and in advance of the 1980 election, they were here very early too, but this is very interesting to watch.

[kf6rdn]

Forget changing the constitution, Arnold, the "Gropinator"'s rep will be wiped out by socialist organized labor mafia forces in california.

I like him here in CaleefOornia but not as prez. Go 74-76!

I like Colin on rep side.. He seems moderate, intelligent maybe a little bit honest.. #


Dunno about any of the listed democrats. #I'm just afraid Bush's follys will make everything swing too far left.

I like some of the wildcards..

Forget Kerry, he's an idiot. #Well maybe not an idiot, but not a strong president.

Forget anymore Bushs.. # The first one was barely ok, the second one is a distaster, if this trend continues.. egads!

Guilani.. ummm maybe I haven't followed his career too much, great job, post 9/11 mistress's.. who cares.. #oh yeah.. everyone does.. Doh!

Cheney.. #uhhh, no.. Just.. no.. not only that, but hell no..

Rice... ummm.. #scarey, too close to W's policys would have to see how she is seperate from his admin.

Edwards.. #hmmm.. trial lawyer is scarey.. #But definitley sharp, I liked him better then Kerry, I would have to look at his career closer, too liberal? dunno.. #Well spoken and personable could carry him without the experiences..


Interesting topic, as long as we can keep the bush bashing/bush worshipping to a minimum, or at least as incidental comments.


ESD has a point, probably will be extreme left, vs extreme right... scarey, with not too much common sense..

[ac4ut]

Anyone but Hillary,and on another note I wish Fred Thompson would have stuck it out in Congress and ran for the office of president.
Of course he found politics to be too phoney and shallow and went back to the real world (acting).

[W3MIV]

I second the motion to nominate AI4EP.

[ac3p]

I nominate W3SY.

He's already been pope so he's got some experience. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[w0aew]

Deputy Dawg vs. Bullwinkle the Moose

No, wait. We already have a cartoon in office.

Never mind.

[AC0H]

Me.

[n0ov]

Quote[/b] (KC2OOS @ Oct. 13 2005,00:20)]1. Colin Powell--can he beat the bad rap from his stint with W? Is the country ready for a black President? A black, Republican President? He's got the war record, heck, he's even got a Doctrine named after him!
-- Guaranteed to draw an audience both stateside and in the international media.
2. John McCain--will his party accept him? Maybe he should run as a Democrat!
-- Great person, very little press potential.
3. Arnold Schwarzenegger--can the Constitution be changed in time? Or will his political career be Terminated by his association with the Kennedy Family?
-- Nope -- law does not allow it.
4. Our buddy "Neut"


For the Democrats:

1. Hillary Rodham Clinton--whatever you think of her, she's got the name and the momentum, and her six years in NY will be up this time around. But then, what do we call Bill?
-- Absolutely. Press will have a field day and the Muslims will be offended with the idea of the US having a woman president. Loads of news possibilities, even if she does not win. (Besides, lots of potential news when Bill becomes first lady)
2. Howard Dean--for some reason, he's now sounding like he might actually be sane, after all. Too bad he didn't sound like he does now a year and a half ago.
-- Possibily. Big who cares factor, may not be good enough to draw watchers and readers.
3 (tie) Jon Corzine & Edward Rendell--Corzine would have to win the NJ Gov. race, and leave that office. At least he knows finance! Rendell needs to give up sportscasting, and with his stints as Philly mayor, DNC Chairman, and PA Gov., he's got the resume...
-- Who?

The Wildcards:

1. John Kerry--will he try again? Can he capitalize on all the bad feelings? Will he say "I told you so"?
-- Good for news stories, just as bad for the country as the 1st time he ran. Therefore expect a strong recommendation from the press and media.
2. Joseph Biden--he's been posturing for a run lately. But does anyone really pay attention to Delaware?
-- Possibily. Joe has really practiced on his finger pointing skills. Also, lots of good jokes about Delawhere?
3. Rudolph Giuliani--he cleaned up NY, can he clean up DC? Or will we hear too much about his mistress?
-- Possible. Strong speaker, strong reputation, and lots of baggage that can make good news stories during the slow news times.
4. Richard Cheney--will he run, even though he said he wouldn't? Is his heart in it?
-- Nope. Time for this man to have a rest.
5. Jeb Bush--will they try for a third Bush? Maybe Barbara would be a better choice for that...
-- Possibily, for the humor factor. Wouldn't expect a big lift out of name recognition though.
6. Condoleeza Rice--the only thing that trumps a female Presidential candidate is a black female Presidential candidate!
-- Possibily, very capable woman providing she doesn't get slammed the same way Powel did when he was in that position. (Not likely, where Condoleeza is very smart, Powel had years of practical experience that directly conflicted with some of the idiotic things going on in this administation.)
7. John Edwards--he almost swept his party away last time. Will he come out of hiding? Does he really have enough experience?
-- Likely, especially if Hillary is the VP. Yes for Edwards, God help him if Hilliary is VP (may want to invest in some Kelvar)
8. Ralph Nader--will he crash the party again?
-- Why not, perhaps it's time to prove again how out of touch with reality he is. (Besides, no one else in Washington DC seems to be learning from their mistakes)

Discuss. Talk amongst yourselves. Amuse me.
The real question, who will the PRESS select to run

Thus, the press perspective added to the original post

[ka5s]

It may have escaped your notice that we will have a new President, G.W. Bush being Constitutionally unable to run again.

Would you believe Dick Cheney?

/act: ducks


Cortland
KA5S

[n2nh]

From the Hanging Chad Election Collection:
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[WA5VQM]

Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Oct. 14 2005,04:26)].....Personally I'd like to see Da Pope of QRZ have a go at it. Death to BPL. Code re-instated. Novice becomes entry level. A chicken in every pot and Fr. Sarducci envoy to the Vatican. Or maybe Madonna?? Well, I suppose it's a Popey thing.

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I vote the issues, not party. These issues match my core beliefs.

Don't be a dope, vote for Da Pope!


73

[K6BBC]

I think Newt would be a good president - although he is probably too smart to be elected.

My second selection is Arnold Vinick.

[W5HTW]

Bill Richardson.

If Bill runs, he will outpace Hillary C by quite a bit. I also think Bill can beat Kerry in the primary. And while Bill has some bad points, being a Democrat, he has enough good points he would probably get my vote.

McCain may run. He refuses to deny he's considering it. But if a mainstream Republican (is there such a thing left?) runs in the primary, McCain will not make it.

I doubt seriously Jeb Bush will run. I picture him doing a Senate race for his next political move. In another 8 years he may, just may, consider the big one, but I think he's going to head for Congress if he can.

So far there are no good candidates, in my opinion. Richardson is probably my favored one, but I really need to sit him down and teach him a few things first. Biden, same thing, but I'm not sure I have the patience to try to teach him anything.

I am vehemently against a change in the Constitution that would allow Arnold to run. First, Arnold is extremely poor presidential quality, and would stand no chance whatsoever. His following is very small. But it would open the door to far too many who put their heritage and culture ahead of the Nation and responsibilities as an American. We do not need a "Half-American/Hyphenated-American" in the President's Office. If the person can't stand up and say "I'm an American," he/she should not be in the office. We do NOT need divided loyalties, and most especially, conflicting divided loyalties.

Which reminds me. I hope Harriet Miers goes back to the farm in Texas.

So of all the candidates presently who may be considering the run, Richardson is, to me, the front runner. Though I'm a registered Republican.

Ed

[W3MIV]

Quote[/b] (W5HTW @ Oct. 14 2005,11:26)]I am vehemently against a change in the Constitution that would allow Arnold to run.
Don't think you should lose any sleep over this issue. It will not happen. I am of the view that a lot of the hubbub about the idea is promoted by folks who just like to stir the pot and sit back and watch.

Every time the idea surfaces, it is like watching a hot ant hill: the image is one of bunches of whackos on either side of the issue going ballistic, either in mindless ecstasy or hair-pulling agony.

Worth a laugh, but nothing more.

[W3MIV]

I'll stick with AI4EP. Already planning for the convention.

[kf6rdn]

Imagine if AI4EP, or W3SY ran, the response from the common folk...

What the hell kinda name is....

[KC2OOS]

Quote[/b] ]McCain may run. #He refuses to deny he's considering it. #But if a mainstream Republican (is there such a thing left?) runs in the primary, McCain will not make it.

Wait, I thought McCain *was* the mainstream...will the real Republicans please stand up? Who let these "neo-cons" take over the party, anyway?

Quote[/b] ]So far there are no good candidates, in my opinion. #Richardson is probably my favored one, but I really need to sit him down and teach him a few things first. #Biden, same thing, but I'm not sure I have the patience to try to teach him anything. #

That's pretty funny. And probably too true.

Quote[/b] ]I am vehemently against a change in the Constitution that would allow Arnold to run. #First, Arnold is extremely poor presidential quality, and would stand no chance whatsoever. His following is very small. #But it would open the door to far too many who put their heritage and culture ahead of the Nation and responsibilities as an American. #We do not need a "Half-American/Hyphenated-American" in the President's Office. #If the person can't stand up and say "I'm an American," he/she should not be in the office. # We do NOT need divided loyalties, and most especially, conflicting divided loyalties.

I disagree there. I have no problems with any naturalized citizen running for President, though I do think they should have to have been naturalized for at least 35 years. That would put them on an equal footing with any native-born citizens.

Quote[/b] ]Which reminds me. #I hope Harriet Miers goes back to the farm in Texas. #

Why? What do you know about her that the rest of us don't know? (yuk, yuk) Of course, I'd still rather see Randy Barnett as Chief Justice, but maybe Bush could wise up and nominate him instead of Miers. Not that he's likely to listen to me...or anyone else, for that matter.

[KC2OOS]

Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ Oct. 14 2005,08:21)]I think Newt would be a good president - although he is probably too smart to be elected.

My second selection is Arnold Vinick.
Well, I disagree on Gingrich, his pandering speeches of late notwithstanding. Then again, maybe he's learned something after his disastrous House career...

But Arnie Vinick is starting to look pretty good these days. At this rate, I'd even vote for Mackenzie Allen! Or better yet, Jack Ryan...

I often wonder what Martin Sheen thinks of Josiah Bartlet. I bet he thinks Bartlet is too moderate...

[kc8uzl]

I think that Jeb Bush would do. He has ran Florida fine. Though a monkey would also work.

[K6BBC]

Quote[/b] (kc8uzl @ Oct. 14 2005,09:28)]I think that Jeb Bush would do. He has ran Florida fine. Though a monkey would also work.
NO MORE BUSH'S! #STAY OUT OF THE BUSH'S!

To tell you the truth, other than Sean and Rush, there probably is not much support for that idea.

bbc

[K8ERV]

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Oct. 14 2005,09:05)]I'll stick with AI4EP. Already planning for the convention.
Hope you are holding it in Iraq. At the Paris Hilton---

TOM K8ERV Montrose Colo

[KC2OOS]

Quote[/b] (k0ews @ Oct. 14 2005,04:41)]They are already getting in line here in Iowa. #Gov. Mike Huckabee just made his 5 trip to Iowa since July yesterday, and Sen. Evan Bayh of Indiana did the same. #George Pataki and Mitt Romney also are scheduled to be here this month, and John Kerry was just in the state on Sunday. #
I think the early advantage for the Republicans goes to anyone who's NOT in Washington right now, and probably a Govrenor. #For the Democrats, we'll see. #That party really is so far shifted to the left, I can't see them nominating a moderate like Bayh; they'll probably pin all their hopes on Hillary Clinton, or perhaps John Kerry again. #I've even heard rumblings that Gore is considering a run. #
All I know is that both parties will offer a lot of entertainment for the next few years as they line up and jockey for position for the nomination. #I've just moved back to Iowa after 14 years away and don't remember this many candidates this early already getting in line. #Maybe that's the way the game is played now. #In 1988 there were a lot of candidates here as early as 1986, and in advance of the 1980 election, they were here very early too, but this is very interesting to watch.
Hmm...I forgot about Mitt Romney. I think if he gets the GOP nod, he'll tear this country apart even worse than it's already divided.

Pataki, on the other hand, is nothing but a party hack. Same goes for Giuliani, in my opinion. He may have been good for NYC once upon a time, but after seeing the two of them comment on the 2004 Republican Convention, I have no respect for either of them.

I disagree that the Democratic Party is "shifted so far to the left". The Democratic Party these days is trying their damnedest to look like reasonable moderates. They only look "left" because the Republicans are so dominated by the "neo-con" nutjobs nowadays that anything else looks radical in comparison.

I hesitate to describe the current batch of "neo-conservatives" as "right wing". They're so far out there they make Communists look tame. Why don't they just call themselves the Fascist Party and be done with it? It would be more turthful, that's for sure. Since when is it "right wing" to abandon fiscal responsibility and bankrupt the country by practicing "borrow and spend" economics while radically expanding government power? Or curtail personal liberty in favor of state security?

I sincerely hope the Republican Party is successful in purging itself of these whackos. It's time we returned to the traditional values of the Republican Party, and start rebuilding the respect for America that's been so utterly denigrated by the slobbering lunacy of the Bush Administration and the Project for a New American Century. Time for the blue state urban/suburban moderate Republicans to re-assert their power.

[K8ERV]

Quote[/b] (W5HTW @ Oct. 14 2005,08:26)]So far there are no good candidates, in my opinion.
Wise, there are NEVER are----


TOM K8ERV Montrose Colo

[AC0H]

Quote[/b] ]Since when is it "right wing" to abandon fiscal responsibility and bankrupt the country by practicing "borrow and spend" economics while radically expanding government power?
It's not.
They've been acting like a the bunch of tax and spend FDR liberal democrats we had running congress for 40 years.

Howard Dean a "moderate"?
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!
He's the closest thing to a real living breathing socialist we've got other than Berney Sanders and Ralph Nader.

How has government power expanded "radically"?

[ac3p]

Quote[/b] ] think that Jeb Bush would do. He has ran Florida fine. Though a monkey would also work

Even George I could run again. He didn't get his second term.

[KG4CGC]

You guys are absolutely nuts! MARTHA STEWART is THE only VIABLE candidate that the Repudlicans can run and expect to win!
McCain should run on the Democrats ticket.

[KA9VQF]

Quote[/b] (kc8uzl @ Oct. 14 2005,09:28)]I think that Jeb Bush would do. He has ran Florida fine. Though a monkey would also work.
So does this mean you would support Kerry?

In the last election I sorta thought that if the democrats were to have run a pink and blue polka dot armadillo it would have won.

Wrong again wasn’t I?

[w3sy]

Dean can not get elected. There simply are not enough college children, soccer moms, stay-at-home dads, ex-hippies, "alternate lifestylers," and Pacific Northwesterners to deliver the votes. I thought that was already proven once. And that was BEFORE he flipped out on TV. YEEEEEAAAHHHHH!!!

John Kerry lost to GWB. 'Nuff said. The guy should just pack it in and go away.

I'd give anything to know who the Shrillary Voters are, other than "alternate lifestylers" and soccer moms (but a small subset of the Dean vote). I have repeatedly asked the QRZ.COM community who supports Hillary, and nobody has ever responded.

I'd like to see that Lieberman cat jump ship and join the Republican party. God knows the Dems would never nominate someone like him. Can we trade McCain for Lieberman? I'd vote for Lieberman if he were running, and not just because he's a fellow 'Broid.

OY!

[kc8uzl]

No I don't support Kerry!!! All he had was a war record, and even then the men that fought with
him didn't like him.

I just think that the presidents position is more show than anything. The rich run the country not the president.

[wd0ct]

Quote[/b] (w3sy @ Oct. 14 2005,10:26)]Dean can not get elected. There simply are not enough college children, soccer moms, stay-at-home dads, ex-hippies, "alternate lifestylers," and Pacific Northwesterners to deliver the votes. I thought that was already proven once. And that was BEFORE he flipped out on TV. YEEEEEAAAHHHHH!!!

John Kerry lost to GWB. 'Nuff said. The guy should just pack it in and go away.

I'd give anything to know who the Shrillary Voters are, other than "alternate lifestylers" and soccer moms (but a small subset of the Dean vote). I have repeatedly asked the QRZ.COM community who supports Hillary, and nobody has ever responded.

I'd like to see that Lieberman cat jump ship and join the Republican party. God knows the Dems would never nominate someone like him. Can we trade McCain for Lieberman? I'd vote for Lieberman if he were running, and not just because he's a fellow 'Broid.

OY!
I know I have told you this before. Hillary and Jesse Jackson in 08!!!!!!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[n9ape]

Oh how I miss Pat Paulson.

D.C. kc9ifq:rock:

[n9ape]

Oh how I miss Pat Paulson.

D.C. kc9ifq

OOPs - a little quick on the send button

[k4kro]

I think it will most likely come down to Hillary vs. Jeb Bush.


But I am afraid that Hillary probably could lick Bush. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[kl7aj]

I'm pretty much a dyed-in-the-wool Republican, but I'm smart enough to realize Bush was elected only because he wasn't John Kerry. I think we need to realize that every election in the last 50 years has been a vote AGAINST a worse choice, never FOR a good one. Things will only change when we have a candidate we can vote FOR rather than AGAINST, and it's highly unlikely that's ever going to happen in our lifetimes.


Not cynical, just realistic


eric

[kc7jty]

According to some space brain (forget his name now) the choice will be Hillary or Condaleezy. The fact that his book on the subject will sell any copies shows how far gone we are as a nation.

[W3MIV]

Quote[/b] (w3sy @ Oct. 14 2005,13:26)]I'd give anything to know who the Shrillary Voters are, other than "alternate lifestylers" and soccer moms (but a small subset of the Dean vote). I have repeatedly asked the QRZ.COM community who supports Hillary, and nobody has ever responded.
Isn't that akin to admitting you pick your nose while working behind the deli counter?

Shrillary voters are all closeters of one form or another, mostly the other. No need to go there.

[K6BBC]

Quote[/b] (KC2OOS @ Oct. 13 2005,23:20)]What amazes me about Bush's approval rating dropping to 38% (40% if you're a Fox News fan) is not that his approval is so low, but that after five years of his idiocy, there are still 4 out of 10 people in this country who think Bush is doing a good job...

So...the next Presidential election is only three years away. Who should be the contenders?

For the Republicans, I favor:

1. Colin Powell--can he beat the bad rap from his stint with W? Is the country ready for a black President? A black, Republican President? He's got the war record, heck, he's even got a Doctrine named after him!
2. John McCain--will his party accept him? Maybe he should run as a Democrat!
3. Arnold Schwarzenegger--can the Constitution be changed in time? Or will his political career be Terminated by his association with the Kennedy Family?

For the Democrats:

1. Hillary Rodham Clinton--whatever you think of her, she's got the name and the momentum, and her six years in NY will be up this time around. But then, what do we call Bill?
2. Howard Dean--for some reason, he's now sounding like he might actually be sane, after all. Too bad he didn't sound like he does now a year and a half ago.
3 (tie) Jon Corzine & Edward Rendell--Corzine would have to win the NJ Gov. race, and leave that office. At least he knows finance! Rendell needs to give up sportscasting, and with his stints as Philly mayor, DNC Chairman, and PA Gov., he's got the resume...

The Wildcards:

1. John Kerry--will he try again? Can he capitalize on all the bad feelings? Will he say "I told you so"?
2. Joseph Biden--he's been posturing for a run lately. But does anyone really pay attention to Delaware?
3. Rudolph Giuliani--he cleaned up NY, can he clean up DC? Or will we hear too much about his mistress?
4. Richard Cheney--will he run, even though he said he wouldn't? Is his heart in it?
5. Jeb Bush--will they try for a third Bush? Maybe Barbara would be a better choice for that...
6. Condoleeza Rice--the only thing that trumps a female Presidential candidate is a black female Presidential candidate!
7. John Edwards--he almost swept his party away last time. Will he come out of hiding? Does he really have enough experience?
8. Ralph Nader--will he crash the party again?

Discuss. Talk amongst yourselves. Amuse me.
I'm going to add Gore to your wildcard list. #Don't laugh, he's coming back. #There are a lot of folks now who wish Florida went the other way.

bbc

[n0jaa]

Maybe Jerry Springer will make a bid! And Maury Povich can be his VP!

Let's get Dr. Phil, or maybe Ben Stein!


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Boy, this is a tough call for me.
out of the entire thread I only came across
2 candidates I would consider voting for and "Bugs" will always be my #1 choice.however:
history repeats itself.
and I would vote for a ham anyday.

[K8ERV]

Quote[/b] (KC9IFQ @ Oct. 14 2005,11:12)]Oh how I miss Pat Paulson.
So do I. How can we get him to run?

TOM K8ERV Montrose Colo

[K8ERV]

Quote[/b] (N4UJF @ Oct. 14 2005,11:21)]But I am afraid that Hillary probably could lick Bush. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
I got the pun----\

\TOM K8ERV Montrose Colo

[K8ERV]

Quote[/b] (ki4bnc @ Oct. 14 2005,13:48)]I would vote for a ham anyday.
I would too, so long as it is not me. I am not qualified, like all others------

TOM K8ERV #Montrose Colo

[KC2ESD]

There is one good thing, GW Bush can't run in 2008. The 2008 Election will be a clean slate for both sides.
73 de Rick KC2ESD

[N7RJD]

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Oct. 14 2005,03:05)]I'll stick with AI4EP. Already planning for the convention.
Will there be a discount second hand radio booth at this convention? Maybe a food court with BBQ possum ribs? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[N7RJD]

Quote[/b] (KG4CGC @ Oct. 14 2005,04:10)]MARTHA STEWART is THE only VIABLE candidate that the Repudlicans can run and expect to win!
McCain should run on the Democrats ticket.
That would depend. I didn't keep up with her earlier troubles enough to remember but if her conviction is a felony I don't believe she would be able to run.

The only thing she could do here would be to vote for McCain if he were to run on the Democrat ticket. They seem to have a lot of convicted felons voting these days, of course I'm sure that goes both ways. If not it's just a matter of who thought of it first and who is sitting there thinking "I wish I would have thought of that."

[N7RJD]

Quote[/b] (kc8uzl @ Oct. 14 2005,04:27)]No I don't support Kerry!!! All he had was a war record, and even then the men that fought with
him didn't like him.

I just think that the presidents position is more show than anything. The rich run the country not the president.
Kerry's problem was he didn't understand why, after spending the primary tearing the other Democrat candidates down their supporters had a hard time backing him.

His war record is what seems to have caught the hits from the bullets that were supposedly being fired at him and his crew. It had more holes in it than swiss cheese.

We won't even get into his campaign's idea of bashing Bush's service record to take the heat off of Kerry's made up stories. The fact is they may have had a chance at bringing Bush down with the published stories of his record had they come out before Kerry built his campaign on his record and then had it torn apart.

[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (K8ERV @ Oct. 14 2005,15:00)]Quote[/b] (KC9IFQ @ Oct. 14 2005,11:12)]Oh how I miss Pat Paulson.
So do I. How can we get him to run?

TOM K8ERV Montrose Colo
You'd have to start by bringing him back from the dead. Paulsen died in 1997. (Maybe KWW has a line on a way to do this?).

Pat Paulsen's official Presidential and memorial web site: http://www.paulsen.com/

73, Rob

[w3sy]

From KF0RT:

Quote[/b] ]You'd have to start by bringing him back from the dead. Paulsen died in 1997.

Picky, picky, picky.

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[KC2ESD]

I Nominate AI4EP for President. I like 4 land more then 2 land.
Rick KC2ESD stuck in 2 land but visit 4 land when I can. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[K8ERV]

Quote[/b] (KE7DLG @ Oct. 14 2005,14:29)]felony I don't believe she would be able to run.
Maybe she could walk?

TOM K8ERV Montrose Colo

[K8ERV]

Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ Oct. 14 2005,14:46)]You'd have to start by bringing him back from the dead. #Paulsen died in 1997. #(Maybe KWW has a line on a way to do this?).
Hey, if Jesus could do it, bet KWW can too!!

TOM K8ERV Montrose Colo

[ai4ep]

Nope...cant be president.

It might take me away from being here, and I wouldnt want to disappoint both of my 2 true friends here.

But thanks for the nomination....

AI4EP http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[ai4ep]

oh If I were to be nominated, every one who has ( even slightly ) threatened me in the past would be looked up and investigated, and go under a microscope by the secret service and the MEDIA .....and we wouldnt want that now, would we ??

might make some amateur radio operators look bad. in one way or another. ( oops)

73 ssssssss ( count the s s )

AI4EP http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[W3MIV]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Oct. 15 2005,07:22)]oh #If I were to be nominated, every one who has ( even slightly ) threatened me #in the past would be looked up and investigated, and go under a microscope by the secret service and the MEDIA .....and we wouldnt want that now, would we #??

might make some amateur radio operators look bad. in one way or another. ( oops)

73 ssssssss ( count the s #s )

AI4EP # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
Great. A "law'n'order" man is just what we need. Confirms my initial impression.

No need to be modest, Robert, we'll support you.

Oh, and don't forget, we can build a whole new White House down in Ala. Be good for the local economy; introduce folks to new shopping experiences once we flood the area with federal dollars stolen -- uh, collected from the rest of the nation.

Besides, it would be the best thing that could happen to both Maryland and the Federal gummint to get them out of the malarial swamp along the Potomac.

So don't start with any "Sherman statements," (not to even think WHY a man in Alabama would agree with anything Sherman ever said or did) you da man.

[KB9YCO]

I'd be interested to see McCain vs. Feingold. Though I'm sure some conservatives won't view McCain as conservative enough, I think it would make for an interesting campaign. I do like Feingold though, the only person with the nads to protest the vulgarity of the wrongly titled Patriot act, and seemingly a good person with some common sense as opposed to the usual polarized rhetoric.

Or how about Krusty vs. Bozo?

Tesla vs. Marconi?

Gordon West vs. Charlie Chickenbander?

7 Up vs. Sprite?

...and so on...

[KG4CGC]

Only Evangelical Christians may run for office.

[KE7DFP]

Quote[/b] (KB9YCO @ Oct. 15 2005,12:05)]I do like Feingold though, the only person with the nads to protest the vulgarity of the wrongly titled Patriot act,
Boy you said that right!!! Have you seen the pair of Nads on that Gal? Anywhere except California she would have to run for office as a man!

[ky5u]

Itchy VS Scratchy

[KC0W]

Quote[/b] (KC2OOS @ Oct. 14 2005,06:20)]3. Arnold Schwarzenegger--can the Constitution be changed in time?
If the Constitution could be changed to allow a foreign born individual to run for presidency.......I would have to go with:

KEITH RICHARDS FOR PRESIDENT!!!


Tom kcØw

[KG4CGC]

Quote[/b] (kc0w @ Oct. 15 2005,17:26)]Quote[/b] (KC2OOS @ Oct. 14 2005,06:20)]3. Arnold Schwarzenegger--can the Constitution be changed in time?
If the Constitution could be changed to allow a foreign born individual to run for presidency.......I would have to go with:

KEITH RICHARDS FOR PRESIDENT!!!


# # # # # # # # # # # # # # Tom kcØw
It would also mean that the Wahabi Party would get involved.

[W2ILP]

I dunno who should be the next president...but I feel sorry for whoever it is going to be.
Our next president will inherit an economic mess that may be the worse financial disaster that the USA has ever seen, as well as a foreign diplomacy and domestic political mess.

I think that China is going in the right direction by having all of their new leaders hold engineering degrees...But I guess that it would take more than an engineer to solve economic problems. Herbert Hoover was an engineer, who didn't do so well...maybe he used a slide rule because computers weren't yet available.

w2ilp (Inherited Looted Presidency?)

[k0ews]

Quote[/b] (W2ILP @ Oct. 15 2005,21:14)]I dunno who should be the next president...but I feel sorry for whoever it is going to be.
Our next president will inherit an economic mess that may be the worse financial disaster that the USA has ever seen, as well as a foreign diplomacy and domestic political mess.
You make an interesting point. The next President will have some serious issues to get after, and that is no doubt. The economy is still good, and so the concern will be rising interest rates and rising oil prices, thereby creating a condition called stagflation. That could be bad, and harken us back to the late 70s...I hope not.
I'm concerned about the next President but at this point I'm MUCH more concerned about who is going to replace Greenspan in January. It's a bad time for him to leave.
Anyway, times are challenging right now, and Americans have always chosen wisely in tough times, and usually gotten the right man for the job. The electorate has brains, and common sense, so if the parties are smart, they don't pick their candidate on his or her looks, experience, electability, or any of that garbage, but on their ability to be President, period.

What I hope to gain in the next election is a President that:

Has the compassion of Jimmy Carter.

Posesses the ability to inspire and give hope like Reagan, FDR, and JFK.

Has the backbone of Harry Truman.

Has the intelligence of Herbert Hoover, William H. Taft, and Richard Nixon.

Has Bill Clinton's ability to govern.

Has the idealism of Woodrow Wilson.

Has the even temperment of Eisenhower.

Has the national vision of Theodore Roosevelt.

[KC2OOS]

Quote[/b] (KG4CGC @ Oct. 15 2005,14:31)]It would also mean that the Wahabi Party would get involved.
That's fine with me. I always like a little Wahabi with my sushi...oh, wait...you're not talking about that hot, green, horseradish-like pasty stuff, are you?

[wa4brl]

Quote[/b] ]...rising interest rates and rising oil prices, thereby creating a condition called stagflation. That could be bad, and harken us back to the late 70s
Oh Boy!!! We'll get to wear our Gerald Ford "WIN" (Whip Inflation Now) buttons again!

Remember how well that worked the first time? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Let's go with Snoop Dog for Prez. Truly, he can't do any worse than the current Dope-head-In-Chief.

[wa4brl]

OK, let's get serious now. Someone in another thread asked "Where's the outrage?" I'll tell you -- it's in nearly every home throughout America. There are few Bush supporters left, and they're getting more rare by the minute. If all the outraged conservatives, moderates, and liberals got together, there'd be no problem throwing the bums out. These neo-con radicals have been bumbling and stumbling around the White House almost five years too long already.

Here's a plan. A coalition of the true conservatives, the moderates, and the liberals of all parties in the Congress work together to re-instate the special prosecutor act, and then sic some on Rumsfeld, Rice, and Rove. Next, set up a House Impeachment Committee to draw up articles of impeachment on Bush AND Cheney. A nice trial run by the true-conservative Senate should totally humiliate this money-grubbing, crony-appointing, corrupt and inept pair. The treason charges alone should be enough to win the needed convictions.

So come on, all you HONORABLE Congressmen and Senators. The time has come for you to step up and do your duty. I'd even be accepting of one of your own being appointed to fill the empty presidential slot.

Especially if it were to be McCain.

Let's get this thing started... NOW! That's a worthy focus for our collective outrage!

[k4kro]

WA4BRL #(after forgetting his meds) wonders .....
Quote[/b] ] "Where's the outrage?" #I'll tell you -- it's in nearly every home throughout America ............Here's a plan. #A coalition of the true conservatives, the moderates, and the liberals of all parties in the Congress work together to re-instate the special prosecutor act, and then sic some on Rumsfeld, Rice, and Rove. #Next, set up a House Impeachment Committee to draw up articles of impeachment on Bush AND Cheney. #A nice trial run by the true-conservative Senate should totally humiliate this money-grubbing, crony-appointing, corrupt and inept pair. #The treason charges alone should be enough to win the needed convictions ............
.......then we will be able to prove once and for all that those strawberries were mis-appropriated.

What is this? A script from "The McCain Mutiny" perhaps.
Maybe BRL should turn the TV off BEFORE going to bed. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[W8LBO]

Ed Ireland, W8HZF sounds like a good president to me.

[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Oct. 15 2005,05:17)]Nope...cant be president.

It might take me away from being here, and I wouldnt want to disappoint both of my 2 true friends here.

But thanks for the nomination....

AI4EP http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
Heck, the QRZed'ers could be your cabinet. Between all of us, we know EVERYTHING!

Just think... no more BPL, no more antenna restrictions. What's that, a tax credit for buying ham gear?

Woo-hoo!!!

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73, Rob

[WB2RJR]

Well at least Bush isn't disliked as much as the Democrats in Congress.

"And while Bush and his party are struggling, the Democratic Party continues to be viewed in the same negative light as the Republicans. Only about third (32%) approve of the job Democratic leaders in Congress are doing" (from the summary of last thursday's Pew Poll)

Sorry to break your bubble.

See my movie! "Hysterical Delusional Dems"

73, Marty WB2RJR

[KG6YTZ]

Parties... work... {giggle} TOGETHER???!!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Okay, there's my political rant for this year. #Pardon the intrusion. #Carry on. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[w0aew]

What if they held an election and nobody was elected?

[wa4brl]

Quote[/b] ]What is this? A script from "The McCain Mutiny" perhaps.
Maybe BRL should turn the TV off BEFORE going to bed. #

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #"The McCain Mutiny" http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Great line, that. #Good reply, UJF. #I've like that avatar, too.

[W8EFA]

Quote[/b] (WB2RJR @ Oct. 16 2005,06:24)]Well at least Bush isn't disliked as much as the Democrats in Congress.

"And while Bush and his party are struggling, the Democratic Party continues to be viewed in the same negative light as the Republicans. Only about third (32%) approve of the job Democratic leaders in Congress are doing" (from the summary of last thursday's Pew Poll)

Sorry to break your bubble.

See my movie! "Hysterical Delusional Dems"

73, Marty WB2RJR
#Americans have had enough of arogant bumbling republican leadership. #Every Poll shows Americans want the Democrats to lead Congress now. #Another Conservative posting "facts" on here that are incorrect!!

Poll # # # # # # Date # # Republican # # Democrat # # #Spread

RCP Average 9/27 - 10/10 # # # 37.7% # 45.0% D +7.3%
NBC News/WSJ 10/8 - 10/10 # 39% # 48% D # # +#9%
Newsweek 9/29 - 9/30 # # # # # 42% # 47% D # # #+5%
FOX News 9/27 - 9/28 # # # # # 32% # 40% D # # + 8%
See my Movie - You don't have a clue - take a hike.

All Polls (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Presidential_04/generic_vote.html)

[KE7DFP]

Can anyone tell me what the lowest public approval rating number is, for the last 6 or seven presidents? #That will give us an idea of just how happy the American people can be with ANY president they elect. #It will also tell us if our expectations and criticisms are realistic.

[k0ews]

The low points for recent commanders in chief are as follows:

# Bill Clinton: 37 percent

# George H. W. Bush: 29 percent

# Ronald Reagan: 35 percent

# Jimmy Carter: 28 percent

# Gerald Ford: 37 percent

# Richard Nixon: 24 percent

# Lyndon Johnson: 35 percent

[KE7DFP]

Ah, Hah! #Just like I suspected!!! #So. at least going by what the low approval rating means, as to the quality of a President, which is so often cited as a reason to get rid of this one. Bush is up till present, the most satisfactory choice the American people have #made, #In other words, "It doesn't get better than this Guys!!!, If Bush isn't good enough for you, no body will ever satisfy your unrealistic standards of what the American system can produce. #The next Pre3sident will be even more hated. #Bush, A Good As It Gets!

[KG4CGC]

The economy SUCKS!

[KB9YCO]

Quote[/b] (KE7DFP @ Oct. 15 2005,14:45)]Quote[/b] (KB9YCO @ Oct. 15 2005,12:05)]I do like Feingold though, the only person with the nads to protest the vulgarity of the wrongly titled Patriot act,
Boy you said that right!!! #Have you seen the pair of Nads on that Gal? #Anywhere except California she would have to run for office as a man!
I'm not sure who you're thinking of, but being a Wisconsin resident I was referring to Wisconsin Senator Russ Feingold (http://www.russfeingold.org/). Just so you know.

Bugs vs. Daffy?

Popeye vs. Bluto?

Howard Stern (http://www.howardstern.com) vs. Steve Dahl (http://www.dahl.com)?

Coke vs. new Coke vs. Pepsi vs. Jolt?

Beef vs. Tofu?

[KE7DFP]

Really? Most be a localized thing. Because right here, even with a Democratically controlled, Meth snorting, goverment, it's pumping pretty good. Of course it can get better, and will after next elections I predict.

[KE7DFP]

Quote[/b] (KB9YCO @ Oct. 16 2005,12:18)]Quote[/b] (KE7DFP @ Oct. 15 2005,14:45)]Quote[/b] (KB9YCO @ Oct. 15 2005,12:05)]I do like Feingold though, the only person with the nads to protest the vulgarity of the wrongly titled Patriot act,
Boy you said that right!!! #Have you seen the pair of Nads on that Gal? #Anywhere except California she would have to run for office as a man!
I'm not sure who you're thinking of, but being a Wisconsin resident I was referring to Wisconsin Senator Russ Feingold (http://www.russfeingold.org/). Just so you know.

Bugs vs. Daffy?

Popeye vs. Bluto?

Howard Stern (http://www.howardstern.com) vs. Steve Dahl (http://www.dahl.com)?

Coke vs. new Coke vs. Pepsi vs. Jolt?

Beef vs. Tofu?
Sorry, guess I confused California's Fienstien with your candidate.

[KB9YCO]

Ahh, OK, Feinstein, I forgot about her, I'm trying to continue to do so.

[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (KE7DFP @ Oct. 16 2005,12:55)]Ah, Hah! Just like I suspected!!! So. at least going by what the low approval rating means, as to the quality of a President, which is so often cited as a reason to get rid of this one. Bush is up till present, the most satisfactory choice the American people have made, In other words, "It doesn't get better than this Guys!!!, If Bush isn't good enough for you, no body will ever satisfy your unrealistic standards of what the American system can produce. The next Pre3sident will be even more hated. Bush, A Good As It Gets!
You're comparing Bush's current rating with historical lows, which is kind of meaningless. He's still got over 3 years to "bottom out."

73, Rob

[kc7jty]

The American people are happiest when they have a president who is just like them.

[KE7DFP]

Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ Oct. 16 2005,12:27)]Quote[/b] (KE7DFP @ Oct. 16 2005,12:55)]Ah, Hah! #Just like I suspected!!! #So. at least going by what the low approval rating means, as to the quality of a President, which is so often cited as a reason to get rid of this one. #Bush is up till present, the most satisfactory choice the American people have #made, #In other words, "It doesn't get better than this Guys!!!, If Bush isn't good enough for you, no body will ever satisfy your unrealistic standards of what the American system can produce. #The next Pre3sident will be even more hated. #Bush, A Good As It Gets!
You're comparing Bush's current rating with historical lows, which is kind of meaningless. #He's still got over 3 years to "bottom out."

73, Rob
Three years to bottom out.......Or soat to record high.Either way, nothing to worry about yet. By the way elkection a success, Alqaeda's power and tactics not working in the Mid east, where's all the jubilation? A blow against the modern Nazis, isn't that a good tyhing?

[KE7DFP]

The American People are happiest when THEY get to be the Dictator, then the have nothing to complain about or blame.

[KB9YCO]

Quote[/b] (KE7DFP @ Oct. 16 2005,14:56)]...By the way election a success, Alqaeda's power and tactics not working in the Mideast, where's all the jubilation? #A blow against the modern Nazis, isn't that a good thing?
A good thing for sure! We can argue about the reasons of why we went over there in the first place all day long, we're there now and I don't see how anyone can regard this election as a bad thing.
I don't know that Al Queda's tactics are not working though, many countries suffer daily from their lovely brand of religious extremism, but this will certainly put a chink in their collective armor in Iraq at least.

[KE7DFP]

Plus, as the Iraq goverment stands up, and the face to the world and Media becomes more and more a face of Muslims fighting a "Mafia". #One who is trying to dominate the people through threats like Pablo Escabar used to dominated Columbia, the few who don't already buy the enemy proganda, will see it. #We are fighting 1% of the Iraqis who have to slaughter civilians by the bushelfull and sabo tage their own countries infrastructure, to get their way. #Hardly a popular insurgence. #We are helping them fight these people, and the real outsiders on their soil, from Syria, etc. are trying to oppress them. #They were unsuccessful in getting the populace to buy into their lie. #I'm hopeful it will get be #uphill from here.

[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (KE7DFP @ Oct. 16 2005,13:56)]Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ Oct. 16 2005,12:27)]Quote[/b] (KE7DFP @ Oct. 16 2005,12:55)]Ah, Hah! Just like I suspected!!! So. at least going by what the low approval rating means, as to the quality of a President, which is so often cited as a reason to get rid of this one. Bush is up till present, the most satisfactory choice the American people have made, In other words, "It doesn't get better than this Guys!!!, If Bush isn't good enough for you, no body will ever satisfy your unrealistic standards of what the American system can produce. The next Pre3sident will be even more hated. Bush, A Good As It Gets!
You're comparing Bush's current rating with historical lows, which is kind of meaningless. He's still got over 3 years to "bottom out."

73, Rob
Three years to bottom out.......Or soat to record high.Either way, nothing to worry about yet. By the way elkection a success, Alqaeda's power and tactics not working in the Mid east, where's all the jubilation? A blow against the modern Nazis, isn't that a good tyhing?
Well, I definately hope so! It may be a little premature for dancing in the streets, however. Nothing wrong with a little "cautious optimism," though.

73, Rob