Compulsory National ID card coming to UK

[k4kyv]

The proposed cards will carry a microchip with "biometric" details of the holder's fingerprints and face.

It will eventally be compulsory to have an ID card, possibly from 2010.

"Being able to prove who we are is a fundamental requirement in modern societies."

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1198923,00.html

[ka5s]

Vas dokumetiyy, grazhdanin?

In Europe documentation is considered a normal way of life. Elie Wiesel wrote that when he was in Paris, he needed his ID papers, his theater card, his movies card, his metro card... the French, he said, LOVE cards. # I understand it's forbidden to take pictures of the Eiffel Tower without a card saying one has permission.

I'm not ready to cast first stones, though. #Not these days.

Cortland
KA5S

[KF0RT]

Coming here too in case anyone missed it. If I recall correctly, by 2008 and it'll be part of your State driver's license / ID.

73, Rob

[k4kro]

Hey, this could be that "Mark of the Beast" thing that everybody was concerned about a few years ago. It all started when grocery stores got those bar-code scanners that remembered every single item you bought and reported it all to the master computer in Belgium that was, coincidentally, named "The BEAST". Fundamentalist christains would drive further and further into remote areas to find obscure grocery stores that weren't snitches.

Now it has come to this. And they tried to warn us. But all we did was laugh and ridicule them for their backward, faith-based notions. Now it has become a popular sport to poo-pooh ( sorry to have to ask you to pardon yet another expression ) any faith-based political opinion from members of any religion, except maybe, Satanism.

I hope that we have all learned a lesson about incrementalism here. Soon we will all be forced to have microchip implants so "The BEAST" can track our movements. And how about all of the new GPS-enabled cellular phones? How long will it be before we are forced to actually get the "mark of the Beast" tattooed on our foreheads? And you wondered why all those new tattoo shops are popping up everywhere. Those new TV shows about tattoo shops are brainwashing our young people to believe that all this is a fun and normal activity. The persuit of this kind of fun can only lead them to the very gates of.........

OOOPS......gotta go now. The wife is coming with a cold compress and my meds. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[KC2ESD]

Quote[/b] ] "Mark of the Beast" thing
Snip the rest.
I have the same thoughts too and I don't need any Meds at all and never plan to do so, EVER!

[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (N4UJF @ Oct. 14 2005,13:29)]Hey, this could be that "Mark of the Beast" thing
Repeat after me:

"As long as you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about."

73, Rob

[KG4CGC]

Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ Oct. 14 2005,17:51)]Quote[/b] (N4UJF @ Oct. 14 2005,13:29)]Hey, this could be that "Mark of the Beast" thing
Repeat after me:

"As long as you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about."

73, Rob
That's clearly anti-American. Should we start calling it the Fascist States of America?

[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (KG4CGC @ Oct. 14 2005,18:31)]Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ Oct. 14 2005,17:51)]Quote[/b] (N4UJF @ Oct. 14 2005,13:29)]Hey, this could be that "Mark of the Beast" thing
Repeat after me:

"As long as you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about."

73, Rob
That's clearly anti-American. Should we start calling it the Fascist States of America?
The fascists have wanted this for a long time. Thanks to 9/11, it looks like they got it.

Here's an article from CNet News that's worth a read:

Clicky clicky. (http://news.com.com/FAQ+How+Real+ID+will+affect+you/2100-1028_3-5697111.html)

73, Rob

[W5HTW]

I lived in France in the late 50s-early 60s. French citizens carried a national ID card. If they moved, relocated, they were required to notify the government of their change of address, and update the ID card.

Nothing new.


Ed

[k4kro]

I hear those boots a-marching,
They're comin' 'round the bend,
I haven't thought about Stalin,
Since I don't know when.

But I'm stuck in P.C. prison,
Free speach I don't dare try,
When I hear that leftist babblin',
I hang my head and cry.


Apologies to the late, great Johnny Cash.


Leave the light on at the gulag for me.

[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (W5HTW @ Oct. 14 2005,18:49)]I lived in France in the late 50s-early 60s. French citizens carried a national ID card. If they moved, relocated, they were required to notify the government of their change of address, and update the ID card.

Nothing new.


Ed
It's this level of complacency that makes it acceptable.

Land of the free, my ass.

73, Rob

[k4kro]

Couldn't leave this one alone:

Quote[/b] ]W5HTW Posted on Oct. 14 2005,20:49

I lived in France in the late 50s-early 60s. #French citizens carried a national ID card. #If they moved, relocated, they were required to notify the government of their change of address, and update the ID card. #

Nothing new. #


Ed

And we all know just how far left the French are. Does kind of remind me of the USPS. "If ever want to see your mail again you are required to tell us your new address. We have ways to make you talk". Scary.
Can you think of another leftist nation that has mandatory ID cards?
Cuba comes to mind. Not exactly right-wing.
Can you #think of another free democratic nation that has mandatory ID cards?

Trick question - There are no other free democratic nations!

I can't wait to get my new Club Card.

Please don't take this as a critique of Ed's post.I only used it as a reference to the lovely socialist workers' (?) paradise of France.

[k4kyv]

Naturally, the lunatic fringe can't resist the opportunity to bash France. But let's look at the facts.

The French national ID cards are a legacy of the Nazi occupation. After the country was liberated, post-occupation government officials said "that national ID card isn't a bad idea" so they kept it. There were no mandatory national ID cards before the war. A flic can approach anyone in the street and demand, "papers please." If you happen not to have your identity card on your person, you may be hauled to the local police station for an "identity check."

This isn't just in France. Nearly every Western European country except UK (not sure about the Netherlands and Scandinavian countries) has a national ID card. The laws in Germany are even stricter than those in France. There also, you have to notify the police whenever you move house, and you can be detained for not carrying your national ID card on your person. Russia, like the old Soviet Union goes so far as to have an "internal passport" that is required for travel within the country from one city to another.

Looks like UK is about to join the club. How long before US and Canada follow?

[k4kro]

More grist for the mill ........


Quote[/b] ]k4kyv Posted on Oct. 14 2005,23:40
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Naturally, the lunatic fringe can't resist the opportunity to bash France. #But let's look at the facts.

The French national ID cards are a legacy of the Nazi occupation.

You're right, I couldn't resist. It's just too easy.

Inspiration from the NAZI's? Sure, that makes it a good idea. Of course, a lot of other NAZI ideas are popular in France today. Violent anti-semitism comes to mind.

Quote[/b] ] After the country was liberated, post-occupation government officials said "that national ID card isn't a bad idea" so they kept it. #There were no mandatory national ID cards before the war.

Does anybody remember who was responsible for the liberation of France? (twice) And you thought the Iraqis were a bunch of ingrates.

Quote[/b] ] A flic can approach anyone in the street and demand, "papers please." #If you happen not to have your identity card on your person, you may be hauled to the local police station for an "identity check."

This sounds like fun. A warm, personal alternative to watching "Cops" on TV. Who said the French weren't friendly?

Quote[/b] ]This isn't just in France. #Nearly every Western European country except UK (not sure about the Netherlands and Scandinavian countries) has a national ID card. #The laws in Germany are even stricter than those in France. #There also, you have to notify the police whenever you move house, and you can be detained for not carrying your national ID card on your person.

France and Germany. We certainly can't ignore the great cultural contributions these two civilizations have brought to the world in the twentieth century. How could we "provincial" (that's a word they like to use to describe us) Americans dare question the methods of these sophisticated nations?

"But Mom, everybody is doing it." "If everybody jumped off the Empire State building, would you do it too?"


N4UJF # #Proud member of the vast, right-wing conspiracy. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[f6eea]

ID card is not mandatory in France.
73

[W5HTW]

Quote[/b] (N4UJF @ Oct. 14 2005,18:19)]USPS. "If ever want to see your mail again you are required to tell us your new address. We have ways to make you talk".
Where is that written? I want to read it for myself. "We have ways to make you talk." Which postal official stated that, when, and where?

Thanks

Ed
edit: by the way, not saying I doubt you. I just want to read it in context. Thanks

[k4kyv]

Quote[/b] (N4UJF @ Oct. 15 2005,09:46)]Quote[/b] ] After the country was liberated, post-occupation government officials said "that national ID card isn't a bad idea" so they kept it. There were no mandatory national ID cards before the war.

Does anybody remember who was responsible for the liberation of France? (twice) And you thought the Iraqis were a bunch of ingrates.
OK, so now please explain the connection. How are those two issues related?

Quote[/b] ]ID card is not mandatory in France.
73

When I was there in 1965, I was waiting in a train station. Doing nothing but sitting quietly in a seat. A policeman came to me and asked "Vos papiers, s'il vous plaît". They wanted to see my ID card or passport plus my train ticket.

I lived in Lyon in 1971-72. I was never asked for papers on the street, but I had an acquaintance who was from Germany. I'm not sure if he was homeless, but he did a lot of panhandling. Almost daily, the police would take him away to the police station because he could produce no papers. They always let him go, but lack of ID card was sufficient reason to detain him, even though I'm sure every policeman who patrolled the area knew him well. This was just a pretext for harassment because he was looked upon as "undesirable." As I understood it, anyone was required to produce some form of identification such as a passport or national ID card, upon demand, or you could be detained for "identity verification." I don't recall there being any kind of penalty for no ID other than being detained for the "verification."

[k4kro]

K4KYV asks.....
Quote[/b] ]OK, so now please explain the connection. #How are those two issues related?


It is a popular notion that some French and Iraqis are ingrates who don't appreciate what America has done for them.

K4KYV also shared this amusing tale of everyday life in France.
Quote[/b] ]I lived in Lyon in 1971-72. #I was never asked for papers on #the street, but I had an acquaintance who was from Germany. #I'm not sure if he was homeless, but he did a lot of panhandling. #Almost daily, the police would take him away to the police station because he could produce no papers. #They always let him go, but lack of ID card was sufficient reason to detain him, even though I'm sure every policeman who patrolled the area knew him well. #This was just a pretext for harassment because he was looked upon as "undesirable." .........

Can you think of another nation that rounded-up "undesirables" on a daily basis?

That's correct! You must have read some my previous posts.

OBTW, I even heard that sometimes the French round-up twice the usual number of ..... #OOOPS! #Never mind. That was Capt. Renault in the movie "Casablanca". A movie that gives us a historic depiction of life as the Germans and French would have it. Don't worry, it was a long time ago. And after all it was just a movie.

W5HTW #asks.....
Quote[/b] ]Where is that written? #I want to read it for myself. #"We have ways to make you talk." #Which postal official stated that, when, and where?

They may not have actually said that. I was just making an attempt at humor at the expense of those fun-loving but nearly useless bureaucrats at the USPS. Don't take it too seriously.

[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (f6eea @ Oct. 15 2005,13:35)]ID card is not mandatory in France.
73
Technically, it won't be mandatory here, either.

But, you'll need it if you want to drive a car, open a bank account or deal with the federal government.

73, Rob


P.S. Just curious... For those here who have opened a bank account in the U.S. in the last few (2-3) years, what did they require in the way of ID? I opened one for my daughter a few years ago and they scanned my driver's license and took a fingerprint. Both are now a part of the BANK'S database.

[G0GQK]

We have in Britain a government consisting of people who have never been employed in honest work. They are political animals, they talk, they have meetings, commitees, discussions, they are experts at talking, and writing, crap. Every week one of these members of the government has a bright idea, and this is one of them. Earlier this year "they" were talking about an ID card which would cost £150 each !

Many of the most stupid ideas seem to emanate from Mr. Bush's "bestest friend", the one and only, and America's only friend, TB.

This is only ONE of the lunatic ideas.

However we do have a huge number of Benefit fiddlers, black economy night shift workers, 2.5 million people claiming benefits for injuries at work etc, and some of them go to the gym, play golf 3 times a week, get the picture ? The biggest loafers of the lot are those who work for the government, they take "sickies" as a perk !

Don't walk around with the idea that America is the only democratic nation on earth, because you're not. You make think that, but if you got out more, and saw what is happening in America, you would realise that it aint so !

73, Mel:D

[k4kro]

I get out every day and see what is going on. I live in a small rural town of about 12,000 people. About 27% of these people can read at a sub-high school level. The best way to elevate your social status is to become disabled. If you don't get a good check then you probably won't be getting dates or getting married. Of course that won't stop you from procreating at an alarming rate. And guess who conceived and implented the policies that brought all this to be?

No. Not them.

It was the people who like to be called Democrats. They are liberals and socialists who don't like to be reminded of the truth by "radical right-wing Bush lovers"

Socialists and Democrats. Hey that reminds me; wasn't there another group of people who had a name like that?

Oh, that's right. The Socialist Democrats of Nazi Germany. You remember them too, don't you?

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