Amateur Vanity Callsign Processing Suspended

[AA7BQ]

The FCC's Wireless Telecommunications Bureau (WTB) has suspended the
processing of Amateur Radio vanity call sign applications. A WTB staff
member, speaking to ARRL on background, said the FCC halted vanity
processing on or about September 23 after realizing that filing and
regulatory deadline extensions for hurricane-affected licensees in certain
states could adversely impact the vanity system. The WTB staffer pointed out
that the filing extensions announced this month also apply to Amateur
Radio's two-year "grace period."

"Because these extensions apply to the grace period, it could affect vanity
processing," the WTB staffer told ARRL. "We stopped processing when it came
clear that some call signs could be affected." No decision has been made on
when vanity processing will resume.

On September 1, the FCC extended until October 31 all filing and regulatory
deadlines falling between August 29 and October 30 for licensees in
Mississippi, Alabama and Louisiana affected by Hurricane Katrina. On
September 24, it extended until November 21 all filing and regulatory
deadlines falling between September 20 and November 20 for licensees in
Louisiana and Texas affected by Hurricane Rita.

The WTB staff member emphasized that the FCC intended the deadline
extensions to apply only to licensees who have been directly impacted by the
storms. "These are not statewide extensions," the staffer said.

Under Part 97, Amateur Radio licensees have two years from the date of
license expiration to renew their tickets without having to retest or risk
losing their call signs to a vanity applicant. The staffer confirmed that
WTB had disabled the "auto-termination" feature of the Universal Licensing
System (ULS) so that it will not automatically cancel licenses that have not
been renewed by the end of the grace period.

"We can't assume based on address who might be affected," the staff member
explained, "so we're not auto-terminating anything at this point."

In the meantime, the FCC is encouraging radio amateurs to continue filing
vanity applications as they normally would. "Everything will be held in
queue," the WTB staff member said.--thanks to Dean Gibson, AE7Q, for
alerting ARRL to this situation


Material from The ARRL Letter may be republished or reproduced in whole or
in part in any form without additional permission. Credit must be given to
The ARRL Letter and The American Radio Relay League.

[N3CRT]

To me it seems if you are riding in this 2 year grace period and havent cared to renew your license or vanity app then what difference does it make if a hurricane comes along and causes an "interuption"? #You had 2 YEARS TO RENEW and you blew it, now take the test again. Its easier anyway.

[KC9ECI]

The vanity call system should just be eliminated anyway.

[nc5s]

Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Oct. 01 2005,12:12)]The vanity call system should just be eliminated anyway.
Really? Why?

[KC9ECI]

It's a waste of government time and resources. Take your test, submit your paperwork, get your callsign, live with it. Look at some of the guys that change thier callsign more often than they change their BVD's as an example. It gets abused. There is no good reason for someone living in Arizona to have an Alaskan call. Then you get the guys that was the crass suffixes as seen in the ASS thread on this very site.

Nope, not needed.

[K4JF]

Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Oct. 01 2005,13:46)]It's a waste of government time and resources. #Take your test, submit your paperwork, get your callsign, live with it. #Look at some of the guys that change thier callsign more often than they change their BVD's as an example. #It gets abused. #There is no good reason for someone living in Arizona to have an Alaskan call. #Then you get the guys that was the crass suffixes as seen in the ASS thread on this very site.

Nope, not needed.
There's no waste of government resources. The Vanity system is paid for by those who use it, and no one else. Nobody pays the FCC for a license except those of us who choose one that is meaningful.

As for the Arizonan having an Alaska call, that happens outside the Vanity system, too.

It's all about choice.

[n0jaa]

Case in point... I have a 0 callsign, but I live in Florida. Should I get a new callsign? Certainly not! Besides, I like the callsign I have!

The FCC once required Operators to obtain a new callsign if they moved outside of their call district. Fortunately, they rescinded that requirement years ago.

Paul, N0JAA.

[ai4me]

I have to echo the question about suspending the vanity call system due to "extensions" and the hurricane affected areas. If you havent done it and your in your 2 year grace period, chances are very slim you will be renewing anyway. Statstically speaking, what would the odds be?

I can see suspending if there was no 2 year grace period, but there is.

Vanity call signs are indeed a good thing, especially if your an Extra because it allows you to obtain the much coveted 1x2's and 2x1's. I just wish there were more 1x2's available in 4 land!

[KC9ECI]

Quote[/b] (K4JF @ Oct. 01 2005,16:29)]Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Oct. 01 2005,13:46)]It's a waste of government time and resources. #Take your test, submit your paperwork, get your callsign, live with it. #Look at some of the guys that change thier callsign more often than they change their BVD's as an example. #It gets abused. #There is no good reason for someone living in Arizona to have an Alaskan call. #Then you get the guys that was the crass suffixes as seen in the ASS thread on this very site.

Nope, not needed.
There's no waste of government resources. #The Vanity system is paid for by those who use it, and no one else. #Nobody pays the FCC for a license except those of us who choose one that is meaningful.

As for the Arizonan having an Alaska call, that happens outside the Vanity system, too.

It's all about choice.
Our opinions differ then.

[K3UD]

Extending the grace period will have an effect on those of us who track the numbers of licensees. I noticed that in the last week the numbers started to rise a bit and did not know that the FCC took the action it did on 9/23. This policy could be in part responsible for the rise as licenses as no beyond grace date licenses are being deleted.

73
George
K3UD

[nc5s]

Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Oct. 01 2005,13:46)]It's a waste of government time and resources. #Take your test, submit your paperwork, get your callsign, live with it. #Look at some of the guys that change thier callsign more often than they change their BVD's as an example. #It gets abused. #There is no good reason for someone living in Arizona to have an Alaskan call. #Then you get the guys that was the crass suffixes as seen in the ASS thread on this very site.

Nope, not needed.
Well, first off, you post tells me that you nothing about the vanity call system. A ham in AZ cannot apply for and receive an Alaskan call sign.
As far as a waste of government resources is concerned, I paid for my Vanity call sign as did everyone else who has one. And, I can assure you that the cost of processing my application was far less than the fee I paid. Sounds to me as if you would like to have a nice call to go with that extra class ticket you have but that all of the "good" ones have already been taken.

Methinks, sour grapes on your part.

Also, the vanity call system allows amateurs to reclaim call signs that they once held and lost for whatever reason. that, and that alone, is all the justification needed for the vanity system. EOS

[kg4mmy]

While I see nothing inherently wrong with a vanity system, I do think a call should have meaning, instead of just a bunch of cool sounding letters. I think your call should reflect the region you live in, and I also think a call should reflect, in some manner, your class ranking. It just makes sense that one should be able to tell an Extra from a Tech and a Northwestern call from a Southeastern call. The call system, as it stands today, serves no purpose except to differentiate one Op from another. This is fine, as far as it goes, but just think of the many useful things the call system could be doing that would benefit the Amateur community much more than just giving them a cool sounding call sign. That's my opinion.

[K5BCT]

I got my vanity simply because people had difficulty understanding me when I said my callsign. I was previously KE5BCT, which everyone heard as K5BCT. So, to simplify things, I applied for the vanity call K5BCT. I'm not sure I see that as abuse, or pointless. And definatly not a waste of resources, I did pay for it!

[ai4ep]

another questions might be... why do some amateur radio operators only have a P O BOX for an address ? How can they be found in case they are needed quickly ?

Why can one party have a P O BOX for an address, yet another amateur can not ?

[K5BCT]

FCC requires you to be able to receive mail, not to have a physical address location. I have
a PO Box because I got tired of anyone being able to see exactly where I live. I won't go into
it, but I had some problems come up because of that. I can't think of a single situation that
I would want to be found when I am needed quickly that a call on the radio or to my telephone
wouldn't resolve. Anyone I know personally, already knows where I live. Someone that talks
to me on a local repeater one time and decides to look me up does not need to know where I live.

[KC9ECI]

Quote[/b] (nc5s @ Oct. 01 2005,18:03)]Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Oct. 01 2005,13:46)]It's a waste of government time and resources. #Take your test, submit your paperwork, get your callsign, live with it. #Look at some of the guys that change thier callsign more often than they change their BVD's as an example. #It gets abused. #There is no good reason for someone living in Arizona to have an Alaskan call. #Then you get the guys that was the crass suffixes as seen in the ASS thread on this very site.

Nope, not needed.
Well, first off, you post tells me that you nothing about the vanity call system. #A ham in AZ cannot apply for and receive an Alaskan call sign.
As far as a waste of government resources is concerned, I paid for my Vanity call sign as did everyone else who has one. #And, I can assure you that the cost of processing my application was far less than the fee I paid. #Sounds to me as if you would like to have a nice call to go with that extra class ticket you have but that all of the "good" ones have already been taken.
#
Methinks, sour grapes on your part.

Also, the vanity call system allows amateurs to reclaim call signs that they once held and lost for whatever reason. #that, and that alone, is all the justification needed for the vanity system. #EOS
Just goes to show what you know. All you need for a vanity call is a PO box and you can get an Alaskan PO box without ever setting foot in Alaska.

As for my callsign, I like it. I have no interest in trading it. When I upgraded, had I not been comfortable with it, I could have applied to get a new one then...in fact, if I wanted, I could apply for a new one at anytime.

[WY0COP]

People fear change. For good or bad, people do not like change. I have seen this for the better part of my life and have experienced it myself as well. I did not like a particular handgun when it came out. I made jokes and thought it was a waste of time and money to buy this ridiculous piece of rubermaid that you could put in the dishwasher..........I now carry one and have done so, faithfully and with much pride for the last 10 years.

I did not like change. Humans do not like change.

Do you seriously think that doing away with the vanity call system will save money?

That is like saying that states should have only ONE SYTLE OF LICENSE PLATE. (Florida has way too many for my liking and I cannot keep up with them :-) ). We are a society of individuality and we want to show it in every way we can. No problem...I can live with that.

As for waste of government money and time.....

Why don't we look at only one subject matter to argue regarding wasting of money.

Let's do away with the public educational system (more commonly known as the Public Day Care Provider System). This is the only country I know where high school graduates are functionally illiterate. Gee, no wonder we are not experiencing a rush in new, younger aged amateurs. One such example is where a recent high school grad was working at the cash register of a store. A customer brought an item up to buy. It was on sale at HALF OFF the regular marked price. The cashier, recent public school graduate mind you only 2 months ago, loudly asks the clerk next to her "what is half of eighty"? This was a serious question......

So our millions we spend EVERY DAY to the "best educational system in the world," touted by some, is a complete waste of money. ( If I saved my receipt could I get a refund of the money I have spent on the system)?

Anyway I guess what I am trying to say is that there are far more important issues that need dealing with in this country.
The methamphetamine plague that is of epidemic proportions, illiteracy of our youth, our poor that are INSIDE OUR COUNTRY'S BOURDARYS, our lack of economic prowess as a country, our dependency on foreign energy sources, lack of respect, lack of religion, frivilous law suits (You cannot say the Pledge " one nation, under God....." but our national unit of money is plastered with "IN GOD WE TRUST").

See what I am driving at, you already have forgotten what we were talking about at first. Is it really that significant?

Take a moment of your life, slow down, get away from the rush of everyday life, even for just one minute a day, and thank God for all that we DO have.


By the way this is from
WY0COP

(WY0 for the state abbreviationI was formerly living in , and COP for my chosen profession). http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[WY0COP]

Tell me how does one get a PO Box in Alaska without settin foot in the boarders?

[nc5s]

Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Oct. 01 2005,17:33)]Quote[/b] (nc5s @ Oct. 01 2005,18:03)]Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Oct. 01 2005,13:46)]It's a waste of government time and resources. #Take your test, submit your paperwork, get your callsign, live with it. #Look at some of the guys that change thier callsign more often than they change their BVD's as an example. #It gets abused. #There is no good reason for someone living in Arizona to have an Alaskan call. #Then you get the guys that was the crass suffixes as seen in the ASS thread on this very site.

Nope, not needed.
Well, first off, you post tells me that you nothing about the vanity call system. #A ham in AZ cannot apply for and receive an Alaskan call sign.
As far as a waste of government resources is concerned, I paid for my Vanity call sign as did everyone else who has one. #And, I can assure you that the cost of processing my application was far less than the fee I paid. #Sounds to me as if you would like to have a nice call to go with that extra class ticket you have but that all of the "good" ones have already been taken.
#
Methinks, sour grapes on your part.

Also, the vanity call system allows amateurs to reclaim call signs that they once held and lost for whatever reason. #that, and that alone, is all the justification needed for the vanity system. #EOS
Just goes to show what you know. All you need for a vanity call is a PO box and you can get an Alaskan PO box without ever setting foot in Alaska.

As for my callsign, I like it. #I have no interest in trading it. #When I upgraded, had I not been comfortable with it, I could have applied to get a new one then...in fact, if I wanted, I could apply for a new one at anytime.
You still know very little about the vanity system. Simply having a P.O. box will not get you an Alaskan call unless the P.O. box is in Alaska.

Anyone living in AZ who would go to that much trouble to get a KL7 call, probably deserves it.

[KC9ECI]

http://www.maildropguide.com/USA/Alaska/Anchorage/

Quote[/b] ]What is mail drop?

A Mail drop is a secure address, recognised by the postal service, where you can rent a box and effectively use it as postal address (for remailing service).

[K4JF]

Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Oct. 01 2005,15:29)]Quote[/b] (K4JF @ Oct. 01 2005,16:29)]Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Oct. 01 2005,13:46)]It's a waste of government time and resources. #Take your test, submit your paperwork, get your callsign, live with it. #Look at some of the guys that change thier callsign more often than they change their BVD's as an example. #It gets abused. #There is no good reason for someone living in Arizona to have an Alaskan call. #Then you get the guys that was the crass suffixes as seen in the ASS thread on this very site.

Nope, not needed.
There's no waste of government resources. #The Vanity system is paid for by those who use it, and no one else. #Nobody pays the FCC for a license except those of us who choose one that is meaningful.

As for the Arizonan having an Alaska call, that happens outside the Vanity system, too.

It's all about choice.
Our opinions differ then.
You are correct. I prefer to choose for myself. You prefer that a government do the choosing for you.

But the part about "waste of resources" is not opinion. It is fact. Also the call zones not reflecting the location is far, far more common outside the vanity system than within, simply from people moving about.

In a perfect system, one could keep the same callsign, changing only the zone number when moving. But there are far too few callsigns available to do that.

[KC9ECI]

There's always the option of appending a number to your callsign to indicate you're not in a call district. If I were to move across the river to MN, for instance, I could be KC9ECI/0.

[w4ass]

Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Oct. 01 2005,13:46)]It's a waste of government time and resources. #Take your test, submit your paperwork, get your callsign, live with it. #Look at some of the guys that change thier callsign more often than they change their BVD's as an example. #It gets abused. #There is no good reason for someone living in Arizona to have an Alaskan call. #Then you get the guys that was the crass suffixes as seen in the ASS thread on this very site.

Nope, not needed.
lets not go there with the .alpha suger suger calls lol

73 KI4LTG , I LEARND THAT ON THIS SITE THE HARD WAY http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/ghostface.gif

[K4JF]

Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Oct. 01 2005,19:26)]There's always the option of appending a number to your callsign to indicate you're not in a call district. #If I were to move across the river to MN, for instance, I could be KC9ECI/0.
That's true. I usually append the number whenever I'm out of 4-land. Seems to me to be the courteous thing to do.

[w8amd]

I myself have a vanity call but I think the system is a bit to liberal. Your call should at least reflect your call district. If not what do we have call districts for? When I researched available calls I never for an instant considered an out of district call no matter how much I may have liked it. When I hear a cq from a 7 call it should be from 7 land unless a /xx is involved.

[ky5u]

Quote[/b] (N3CRT @ Oct. 01 2005,10:32)]To me it seems if you are riding in this 2 year grace period and havent cared to renew your license or vanity app then what difference does it make if a hurricane comes along and causes an "interuption"? You had 2 YEARS TO RENEW and you blew it, now take the test again. Its easier anyway.
If I were uncharitible, I would wish the misery of these people on you and your family. But I wouldn't wish this on anyone, even someone as insensitive as you.

[ka5s]

Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Oct. 01 2005,13:46)]It's a waste of government time and resources. #Take your test, submit your paperwork, get your callsign, live with it. #
I can see it now... "WQ9HDLC44? WQ9HDLC44! And some old farts want me to LIVE with it? I'll dorglebratz 'em! I'll polarize 'em! Live with it! Fingeleffingerfermerfer's... live with it! Mutter, mutter, mutter..."

Heh!

Cortland
KA5(non-vanity)S

[kv8z]

It is a good thing that they are halting the Vanity Call Service for the hurricane victims. When I received my call back in April, I waited 18 days from filing. This time was to allow for mail and/or "priority" applicants, since the FCC awards the first applicant, whether by mail or internet. Also, IIRC, they give priority status to former holders and relatives of former holders. So to give them a fair chance, it should be halted for awhile.

Chris,
KV8Z

[KB1DIW]

What difference does it make at all? You get what you get. And that goes with ANY license class be it comerical FM to ham.

I moved from 1 land to 2 land. Think I want to change it? Nope. I visit 9 land often, am I going to say /9 after my call. Nope.

Take what you get and be proud.

The annoying part of most vanity calls are the people who take some random words for the purposes to clarifying the letters and trying to make it funny.....multiple times in the same converstion...

[K3UD]

If I could have obtained a K or W prefix 1X2 call in the 4th call area I would have done it. As someone else mentioned, they do not exist. With the grace date being extended the likelyhood of any 1X2 calls going up for re-assignment will be slim to none. If you want one, you need to take a look at what is out there now and apply for it as it was the two year grace period that allowed these calls to become available when the grace period expired.

On the subject of Vanity calls in particular; I think that this is one of the best programs that the FCC and the ARRL has come up with for the benefit of the amateur radio op. It is entirely up to you to make use of it and nothing is forced on anyone. I took advantage of the program twice and although I think I will have my present callsign until the end, I would apply for a 4th district 1X2 if one was available. But I do not see it happening.

There are still some 2X1 and 1X2 calls out there in various districts. If you have ever wanted one, get them before they are gone.

73
George
K3UD (Vanity Call)

[k2jsv]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Oct. 01 2005,17:17)]another questions might be... why do some amateur radio operators only have a P O BOX for an address ? How can they be found in case they are needed quickly ?

Why can one party have a P O BOX for an address, yet another amateur can not ?
You obviously are a city dwelling flatlander of sorts.... That has got to be one of the most ignorant statements I have ever seen.

You've never been to rural NY at all, or WAY upstate Maine. There are areas where a PO box is the only option because you may or may not have a physical street address to allow for mail delivery. And before you get on the kick about 911... don't go there. There are still several counties in NY that still do not have 911 services. My county only got 911 services 4 years ago. Hell... there are parts of Maine where your town doesn't even have a name... you have a grid number.

My second point. Maybe those of us with PO Boxes don't WANT to be found quickly. Or at all. Maybe just me, and maybe I'm slightly anti-social... but I don't always take kindly to unexpected (read: unwanted) visitors.

And why the hubbub over a vanity callsign? It's the American way... gotta always have something bigger and better than the next guy. I've got vanity license plates on my car... so what... you want the service.. you pay for it. You don't want the service don't pay for it. As far as the callsigns delineating license class and location and stuff. Again another case of who cares... if you care that much about social class perhaps you should only talk to that certain license class. And the people that move from one area to another... at least they don't HAVE to change anymore. Seems to me a lot of worrying about nothing around here anymore.

[k5co]

It had not occured to me that the leftists would resent the vanity call sign; not politically correct or part of their wierd rainbow. So, I plan to file for one myself immediately.

[we6l]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif Lets see hmm on this topic WHO CARES? Having been a ham working on 30 years (Yeah an old fart) also having a vanity callsign whats the problem? It was posted earlier it's your choice nobody is forcing you to apply! As far as identifying the area you happen to live again all that went away a long time ago! Why beef about it it's they way things are today. It dissapeared with having to log each and every call by hand because there was no computer logging!

I will say one thing that I think is wrong with the vanity call system and that is novices as well as techs. should only be allowed to pocess a 2X3 call! When they upgrade then and only then should they be allowed to change their call. Thats all I have on this boring subject, guess I get flamed by a bunch of techs. and novices but hey thats ok who cares!

Y'all have good day now
Bob K6PQ

P.s. My original extra call granted over 27 years ago was KW6B only changed it when we moved to Oregon for a period of time. And now thta call is owned by somebody right here in CA. so there you have it!

[AA8X]

When is the total incompetence of government ever going to stop?

[KC9ECI]

Quote[/b] (AA8X @ Oct. 02 2005,10:58)]When is the total incompetence of government ever going to stop?
2nd Tuesday of next week.

[ai4me]

KB1DIW,

#I read your post, and your comments on QRZ call sign page.

#I might suggest you read "The Amateur's Code", originally written by Paul M. Segal, W9EEA, in 1928.

73 de AI4ME (Not a Vanity)

[kc8ycz]

Ok this is just my opinion but, I have an 8 call and I dont intend on moving outta state. I also like my callsign cuz its like no other lol HI HI. I would never change my call in a million years but I dont have a problem with others changing theirs. I would say live with the call you get and deal with it but in the same sense I won't knock anyone at all if they change their call!!
73
Reggie
KC8YCZ

[G0GQK]

Jees !!!! What a fuss ! Iv'e read remarks about leftists, yeah, leftists, and old farts,yeah, and old farts, so what about CW ! Can't you manage to squeeze in something about that somewhere ?

73, Mel http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Hello Mel,
Your post made me chuckle, to the point as well. As you know we've been able to apply for a particular call for a couple of years now in the u.k. I don't know if the old system of being allocated your call or being able to choose one is better or worse. What's in a callsign anyway, I believe it's the QSO that counts, whether foundation, intermediate, full, u.k. or overseas.
convivially yours,
Howard.

[w0vu]

Quote[/b] (G0GQK @ Oct. 01 2005,14:29)]Jees !!!! What a fuss ! #Iv'e read remarks about leftists, yeah, leftists, and old farts,yeah, and old farts, so what about CW ! #Can't you manage to squeeze in something about that #somewhere ?

73, Mel http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
You just had to go and say that. And away we go. LOL

Hello Robert, you can't blame Mel for the woes of the world. I found the following very usefull in times of need, I wonder what you think, and of course we have a "vanity" system of sorts going in the u.k. but its not a problem here, :



THE HAM PRAYER



Lord, thou knowest better than I know myself that I am growing older and will someday be old. Keep me from the fatal habit of thinking I must say something on every subject and on every occasion.

Release me from craving to straighten out everybody's affairs.

Make me thoughtful but not moody; helpful but not bossy. With my vast store of wisdom it seems a pity not to use it all, but Thou knowest Lord that I want a few friends at the end.


Keep my mind free from the recital of endless details; give me the wings to get to the point. Seal my lips on my aches and pains. They are increasing and love of rehearsing them is becoming sweeter as the years go by. I dare not ask for grace enough to enjoy the tales of other's pains, but help me to endure them with patience.


I dare not ask for improved memory, but for a growing humility and a lessening of cocksuredness when my memory seems to clash with the memories of others.

Teach me the glorious lesson that occasionally I may be mistaken.

Keep me reasonably sweet; I do not want to be a Saint – ( some of them are so hard to live with ) - but a sour old person is one of the crowning works of the Devil.

Give me the ability to see good things in unexpected places and talents in unexpected people. And, give me, O Lord, the grace to tell them so.



AMEN


73, Howard

[KC9ECI]

OK, I don't think you should be able to get married, collect a tax refund, drive a car, post at QRZ, eat lutefisk, swim, go on vacation, get a vasectomy, own a gun, watch television, or drink beer until you've passed a code test.

[K8TEK]

Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Oct. 02 2005,17:56)]OK, I don't think you should be able to get married, collect a tax refund, drive a car, post at QRZ, eat lutefisk, swim, go on vacation, get a vasectomy, own a gun, watch television, or drink beer until you've passed a code test.
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[aa1mn]

Quote[/b] ]Then you get the guys that was the crass suffixes as seen in the ASS thread on this very site.


You can't legislate morality. If you don't want to talk to an ASS then don't (which proabably means you won't be talking to me as I'm one of the biggest asses there is in this world).

While I do agree that it is annoying that some choose to change their call signs on a regular basis and, for the life of me, I also don't understand why an amateur in New England (Area 1) would want a call from the midwest, there are legitimate uses of the vanity call system such as obtaining the call of a family member who was a ham who has since become a silent key -- yeah, they might have had a 2 or 0 call 'cause that was where they were from when they got licensed and the person wanting this to honor their memory may well be in area 1.

I was content getting my Extra Call, a two by two, though I wanted a one by two or two by one to reflect my upgrade but I chose not to bother with getting a vanity call as I figured the one given reflected the achievement of earning an Extra well enough as it is.

It's perfectly fine you don't care for the vanity call program but please don't begrudge or be judgemental of those who take advantage of it ... even those who may seem to abuse it -- it's a waste of their time, effort and money not yours or mine.

Chuck, AA1MN

[w6em]

Quote[/b] (aa1mn @ Oct. 01 2005,19:47)]It's perfectly fine you don't care for the vanity call program but please don't begrudge or be judgemental of those who take advantage of it ... even those who may seem to abuse it -- it's a waste of their time, effort and money not yours or mine.

Chuck, AA1MN
Nice response, #Chuck.

As a beneficiary of the 'system', why not suspend it for, say the two to three months needed to make it equitable with the other selected extensions?

If it weren't for the vanity system, I wouldn't have met two fellows that graduated from my high school about 40 years before I did. #They called to tell me, after I beat them out, about the history of the call sign. #Ironicly, we all were living in the SF Bay area at the time, about 400 miles from our old home town.

I'll continue to pay my dues every ten years, as long as I'm alive. #Small price to pay to carry along a memory from my high school ham club. #And, if my high school ever wants it back, I'll give it back. #I just wish that they didn't have to wait two full years. #There ought to be a way to forego the two year waiting period, if a former holder wants it and the current #holder is willing to give it up.

73,

Lee
W6EM

[KC2NZH]

Is this a forever thing? I mean are they doing this for a year or so? I don't mind. I love my call!
Bill KC2NZH

[kb3mng]

Quote[/b] (w8amd @ Oct. 01 2005,22:33)]I myself have a vanity call but I think the system is a bit to liberal. Your call should at least reflect your call district. If not what do we have call districts for?
If the FCC is at all typical of other government organizations, the call district exists as a convenience for the bureaucracy. You can have one office in each district handing out call signs without having to talk to each other.

Other examples exist. The federal court system is still divided into regions because appeals court judges would travel around within a region to hear appeals. (This led to the name "circuit court".) The Coast Guard used to issue ship's papers from several regional offices, until they consolidated it into a single location a few years ago. You send your taxes to a different IRS office depending on where you live.

[w2ass]

[B]what no one is going to say anything about amtor,rtty,sstv? thats the only thing left!!!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[K4JF]

The "Ham Prayer" is great. But it doesn't apply to just hams, it's good for all of us. I'm going to share it with our Widowed Persons Organization.

[K1MH]

Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Oct. 01 2005,13:46)]It's a waste of government time and resources. #Take your test, submit your paperwork, get your callsign, live with it. #Look at some of the guys that change thier callsign more often than they change their BVD's as an example. #It gets abused. #There is no good reason for someone living in Arizona to have an Alaskan call. #Then you get the guys that was the crass suffixes as seen in the ASS thread on this very site.

Nope, not needed.
You pay for the priviledge and as long as the FCC has no problem with it who cares.

How about foreigners that have US ham licenses, US PO boxes and live overseas?

My favorite call is WB1TCH. Is she trying to tell us something?

73,

Mike

[K1MH]

Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Oct. 02 2005,14:56)]OK, I don't think you should be able to get married, collect a tax refund, drive a car, post at QRZ, eat lutefisk, swim, go on vacation, get a vasectomy, own a gun, watch television, or drink beer until you've passed a code test.
Every guy should have the right to a vasectomy. Its trouble free driving!

Mike - K1MH

[K8ERV]

I both passed the code test (13) and had a vasectomy. So where does that place me? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

TOM K8ERV Montrose Colo

[K8TEK]

Quote[/b] (K8ERV @ Oct. 03 2005,06:52)]I both passed the code test (13) and had a vasectomy. So where does that place me? #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

TOM K8ERV #Montrose Colo
I don't know where it places you, but it makes you a ham shooting blanks.

[W0UZR]

My vote is that I'm glad that there is the vanity call thing because even though is isn't much money, some extra money is going in the system. And that would be better for what little enforcement there is now on the amateur bands, otherwise there might not be any.

And if people can get shorter call signs, I like that better because when I run the net, it makes getting the check-in's call sign easier and faster.

BUT, (there's that BUT again) I would make it a law that you have to get a vanity call for your state that you live in. I would make it to where you can't get a call with the number indicating that you are in a different state. That's the only thing I would change.

[W0UZR]

OOps! Sorry,,, Should have read all the posts first. Didn't realize the thread got hyjacked

[ai4me]

One of my favorite call signs is not a vanity call at all. It just so happened to be a sequential call sign that this guy got. His call is AB0UT.

Vanity Call Signs are a neat benefit and incentive to keep the interest going. Every state has vanity license plates!

I find it amazing that people would complain about vanity call signs anyway. To each his own. What may not be your thing might be someone elses.

Sure, there are vanity call signs, and some even go out of their call area. Take, for example, "4 Land". There are no 1x2's available. Most of the good 4 calls are taken. There are many reasons for being able to choose your own call sign, and one big advantage would be for using CW. Some call signs are just easier than others when keying.

It really seems like a moot point. Why not talk about the positive of amateur radio rather than the negatives?

The Amateur's Code

The Radio Amateur is:

CONSIDERATE...never knowingly operates in such a way as to lessen the pleasure of others.

LOYAL...offers loyalty, encouragement and support to other amateurs, local clubs, and the American Radio Relay League, through which Amateur Radio in the United States is represented nationally and internationally.

PROGRESSIVE...with knowledge abreast of science, a well-built and efficient station and operation above reproach.

FRIENDLY...slow and patient operating when requested; friendly advice and counsel to the beginner; kindly assistance, cooperation and consideration for the interests of others. These are the hallmarks of the amateur spirit.

BALANCED...radio is an avocation, never interfering with duties owed to family, job, school or community.

PATRIOTIC...station and skill always ready for service to country and community.

--The original Amateur's Code was written by Paul M. Segal, W9EEA, in 1928.

[W2LYS]

Quote[/b] ]2nd Tuesday of next week.

K9ECI, I had to laugh on that quote... that was one of my grandfather's favorite sayings. Where did you dig that up out of curiosity?

Yes, I have a two land call sign here in Texas. I was named for my grandad (other grandad), who I never met, but I was named for. I had the chance to bring the call sign back into the family and I did that. My family loves it... I'll use a stroke 5 when I get down to HF...

[KD4CXG]

Hopefully people will see the nead for ham radio and either stay in it or get back into it.

73

Doug

www.kd4cxg.com

[ky5u]

Quote[/b] (K8ERV @ Oct. 03 2005,03:52)]I both passed the code test (13) and had a vasectomy. So where does that place me? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

TOM K8ERV Montrose Colo
The question is, which did you use first?

[W9JAB]

Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Oct. 01 2005,12:12)]The vanity call system should just be eliminated anyway.
I'm Happy you don't run the F.C.C.
W9JAB
JOE

[KC9ECI]

Quote[/b] (W9JAB @ Oct. 03 2005,11:29)]Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Oct. 01 2005,12:12)]The vanity call system should just be eliminated anyway.
I'm Happy you don't run the F.C.C.
W9JAB
JOE
It wouldn't be all bad.

[KC9ECI]

Quote[/b] (W2LYS @ Oct. 03 2005,09:15)]Quote[/b] ]2nd Tuesday of next week.

K9ECI, I had to laugh on that quote... that was one of my grandfather's favorite sayings. #Where did you dig that up out of curiosity?

Yes, I have a two land call sign here in Texas. #I was named for my grandad (other grandad), who I never met, but I was named for. #I had the chance to bring the call sign back into the family and I did that. #My family loves it... #I'll use a stroke 5 when I get down to HF...
I had a Drill Sgt in the Army that used to say that.

[nf0a]

Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Oct. 01 2005,12:12)]The vanity call system should just be eliminated anyway.
Yep including Dead languages and Dysfunctional professions also... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[KC9ECI]

Quote[/b] (nf0a @ Oct. 03 2005,11:39)]Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Oct. 01 2005,12:12)]The vanity call system should just be eliminated anyway.
Yep including Dead languages and Dysfunctional professions also... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
Good thing I'm not a professional! RE: Dead languages, they sort of take care of themselves.

[KD8BUS]

Why not have vanity call signs??? If you want one, you pay for it. And if someone wants a job regulating them then they can have one, all because we pay.

[W9JAB]

I guess i'll just have to wait for the 2FU2 call
W9JAB
JOE

get real you lot, youre losing the thread,
call u 70cm,mate
1z2

[ki6lo]

Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Oct. 01 2005,12:12)]The vanity call system should just be eliminated anyway.
I second this idea. Also lets go back to having the callsign issued in the call area your in. Why do we need a KL7 living permenantly in GA. Get a '4' call.

[k4pbq]

After initially having WD8KCK as a Novice, I upgraded and received N8AHA. Not much of an improvement there. Hi Hi.

Neither were easy to work with phonetically so I finally decided on 9/12/05 to go for a vanity call and relinquish the call I've had since 1979.

Now I hear they are suspending them. Go figure!

If you love your assigned call, GREAT! For those who don't, I appreciate the choice to change.

[K4JF]

Quote[/b] (K8ERV @ Oct. 03 2005,03:52)]I both passed the code test (13) and had a vasectomy. So where does that place me? #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

TOM K8ERV #Montrose Colo
Same here, except the only code tests I have taken were 5 (novice) and 20.

I guess we're the same place.

[KC9ECI]

Quote[/b] (n8aha @ Oct. 03 2005,19:38)]After initially having WD8KCK as a Novice, I upgraded and received N8AHA. Not much of an improvement there. Hi Hi.

Neither were easy to work with phonetically so I finally decided on 9/12/05 to go for a vanity call and relinquish the call I've had since 1979. #

Now I hear they are suspending them. Go figure!

If you love your assigned call, GREAT! #For those who don't, I appreciate the choice to change.
Aha! I wouldn't change my callsign if I were you...it has character.

[WP4KTF]

Quote[/b] (ki6lo @ Oct. 03 2005,15:40)]Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Oct. 01 2005,12:12)]The vanity call system should just be eliminated anyway.
I second this idea. Also lets go back to having the callsign issued in the call area your in. Why do we need a KL7 living permenantly in GA. Get a '4' call.
Dammmm.....there goes my neighborhood in San Antonio...and my 15 year non-vanity call! Keep The Faith!!!

73 WP4KTF
"I ain't from Texas, but I got here..."

[K1MH]

Quote[/b] (aa1mn @ Oct. 02 2005,16:47)]Quote[/b] ]Then you get the guys that was the crass suffixes as seen in the ASS thread on this very site.


You can't legislate morality. #If you don't want to talk to an ASS then don't (which proabably means you won't be talking to me as I'm one of the biggest asses there is in this world).

While I do agree that it is annoying that some choose to change their call signs on a regular basis and, for the life of me, I also don't understand why an amateur in New England (Area 1) would want a call from the midwest, there are legitimate uses of the vanity call system such as obtaining the call of a family member who was a ham who has since become a silent key -- yeah, they might have had a 2 or 0 call 'cause that was where they were from when they got licensed and the person wanting this to honor their memory may well be in area 1.

I was content getting my Extra Call, a two by two, though I wanted a one by two or two by one to reflect my upgrade but I chose not to bother with getting a vanity call as I figured the one given reflected the achievement of earning an Extra well enough as it is.

It's perfectly fine you don't care for the vanity call program but please don't begrudge or be judgemental of those who take advantage of it ... even those who may seem to abuse it -- it's a waste of their time, effort and money not yours or mine.

Chuck, AA1MN
AA(1)MN to that Chuck!

They should let the ARRL manage the vanity call system. It would bring in a few extra bucks to the league and free up the FCC to sell bandwidth.

Mike - K1MH

[K4JF]

Quote[/b] (K1MH @ Oct. 04 2005,04:15)]They should let the ARRL manage the vanity call system. It would bring in a few extra bucks to the league and free up the FCC to sell bandwidth.

Mike - K1MH
Disagree, Mike. Mainly because I'm concerned about which bandwidth they would sell.

(Actually, I don't think the Feds - of any branch - should be in the business of selling bandwidth.)

[KL7IBT]

K1MH - - - COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER MYSELF
KL7IBT

[n3eg]

I think the vanity callsign program was a great thing, especially when it started 28 years ago. Too bad it was only limited to Extra class, and then was suspended for a couple decades...

To Fred AA7BQ, have you thought about changing your picture, you have more hair than me,
69 ( thats 73 plus vat in the uk),
Howard

[W7BX]

good job by the guys and gals at FCC ULS..and good "heads up" to them by Dean AE7Q. I dont send my checks until the last possible moment and the suspension hurts nothing...
re the Vanity system ..I like it and it is self supporting. so doesnt cost the taxpayer a thing..

[N9WB]

Why should there be any time limit for renewing Amateur Licenses? #
Here is an idea.
Once a license is expired, the licensee should not be able to operate until it is renewed.
After one year, the licensee would loose the call sign, so it can go back into the pool.
After one year the burden of proof that a licensee held a license would be on the licensee.
Once the license was renewed, the licensee could obtain the original call sign if still available through the Vanity Call program.

Sometimes things happen in people’s lives that cause them to temporarily loose interest in Amateur Radio and forget to renew. #Examples are death of a child or a spouse or a severe illness. #If some years later the former licensee wishes to renew the license why not? The qualifications have already been met. #We need all of the qualified Hams that we can get.

Vy 73, Walt N9WB

[K5SOH]

Vanity calls. Check out the Webster definition for VANITY. You may not like it ? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[k7ov]

Quote[/b] (KC2KIT @ Oct. 02 2005,08:16)]And the people that move from one area to another... at least they don't HAVE to change anymore. Seems to me a lot of worrying about nothing around here anymore.
Hi,

It was never that you "had" to change your callsign. It was because and still is that you are REQIRED to change your address, and before, the FCC automatically gave you a new callsign when your address reflected a different call district. Now of course, they don't do that, but you are still REQUIRED to advise them of your address. The FCC could care less if someone knows your exact address, as long as they can find you if they need to.

73,

Mike - K7OV (Vanity)

[k7ov]

Quote[/b] (W9JAB @ Oct. 03 2005,14:30)]I guess i'll just have to wait for the 2FU2 call
W9JAB
JOE
You can have it right now if you go to the right country!

73,

Mike - K7OV

[w0tdh]

Well, just got off the phone with FCC. #1-888-225-5322

After a greeting in ENGLISH, there is a diatribe in Spanish.

Then, CHOICES...... Save your self a lot of grief es hit option 2, even though it says ref: Auctioned freq's...........

Of course I went way past that es had to hit ZERO!

Then a kind lady told me I should have hit TWO.....es that they have asked them to change the Auctioned freq's thing.

OK, now into the HAM section;

A not so kind lady answers the phone with a greeting es that "this conversation WILL be recorded". #

I give her my usual "Good Morning" es this is ...............

No levity with this girl, straight to "What is your phone number Sir"

Me thinks others have made this Call to them, they are not in a good mood.

I explained my application to the Vanity system had not been approved as yet es that it had nothing to do with the Hurricanes. #I was trying to obtain my Elmer's old Call sign who lives in MO. ( He got his original Call back of W9TDH through the Vanity system.) five years ago or so.
FCC gave him WØTDH after the War.

She gave me the boiler plate about suspension of the Vanity system es there was nothing I could do about it.

I asked when do they expect to restore the Vanity system - they have no idea was the response. #

I thanked her es bid her a good day.

Tom - KØPJG

[nc5s]

Quote[/b] (K5SOH @ Oct. 05 2005,07:08)]Vanity calls. Check out the Webster definition for VANITY. You may not like it ? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
However. Webster also lists "Vanity Plate" which I believe would be a more applicable definition. As it refers to a license with letters/number designated by the owner of the vehicle/license.

One entry found for vanity plate.


Main Entry: vanity plate
Function: noun
: a license plate bearing letters or numbers designated by the owner of the vehicle

[kb2wye]

Now the more I think about it - I would like to have my original, one-of-a-kind callsign... Would that fall under request for a vanity call - hmm http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[wb4aej]

Quote[/b] (N3CRT @ Sep. 30 2005,12:32)]To me it seems if you are riding in this 2 year grace period and havent cared to renew your license or vanity app then what difference does it make if a hurricane comes along and causes an "interuption"? #You had 2 YEARS TO RENEW and you blew it, now take the test again. Its easier anyway.
This is the only opinion here that seems to have some validity. If they waited almost two years, they probably are not going to renew.
While I agree that the vanity system borders on the silly sometimes, I don't agree that it is a waste. Those that are using it are paying for it.
I got the call WN4AEJ in 1975. It got changed to WB4AEJ when I upgraded in 1976. It is still WB4AEJ. To me, changing it would be like changing my name. I sometimes just can't believe all the alphabet soup that is out there. Sometimes, ir prevents us from meeting people we'd like to meet. I was at a hamfest in Atlanta and happened to spot someone who had a different callsign than when I worked him (it was a very memorable QSO due to the content of our conversation, which is why I remembered it). He had changed his call. I walked right by him. I noticed his name and location on the badge. But I didn't recognize the callsign. Suddenly, I remember that QSO and that someone with that name and location was the one. I took a chance and turned around to go catch up with him. When I caught up, I asked him if he was the one in that QSO. Turns out he was. But I almost didn't get to meet him because he'd changed his call (this was in the early days of the vanity system), imagine what has changed now).
Yes, it's silly for someone who has never lived in Alaska to get an Alaskan call. But I do like the fact that I can keep a callsign I've already established wherever I move to. I intend to use that feature.
You can have the vanity call system. I don't have any eagerness to use it, but I don't object to those who want to do it. I just wish they wouldn't go crazy at times.

[W4ABX]

Quote[/b] (nc5s @ Oct. 01 2005,13:31)]Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Oct. 01 2005,12:12)]The vanity call system should just be eliminated anyway.
Really? # Why?
Remember what happened when the FCC eleminated the call signs for CB? If you really want to save some money, just eleminate testing, licensing, call signs, rules and regulations, and have an RF free for all... hihi
HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND, AND KEEP SMILIN'
73 W4ABX
W4ABX.com (http://www.w4abx.com)

[K5SOH]

Quote[/b] (nc5s @ Oct. 05 2005,11:43)]Quote[/b] (K5SOH @ Oct. 05 2005,07:08)]Vanity calls. Check out the Webster definition for VANITY. You may not like it ? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
However. Webster also lists #"Vanity Plate" #which I believe would be a more applicable definition. #As it refers to a license with letters/number designated by the owner of the vehicle/license.

One entry found for vanity plate.


Main Entry: vanity plate
Function: noun
: a license plate bearing letters or numbers designated by the owner of the vehicle
I cant find any Webster dictionary with VANITY PLATE in it. Sounds like a dictionary made for people trying to get into ham radio. Not published by Webster.
The word is VANITY. Not PLATE.

If the glove fits You can not Acquit. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[k4lem]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

FCC suspends Vanity processing just a few days after I made an application for a four land call. Grrrr.
I can't see the logic of it, either. Would be better if the conducted business as usual and if someone has a hurricane related issue deal with then. After all for God sake, the calls are not available for two years since the previous "owner" dropped it!

[nc5s]

Quote[/b] (K5SOH @ Oct. 06 2005,09:00)]Quote[/b] (nc5s @ Oct. 05 2005,11:43)]Quote[/b] (K5SOH @ Oct. 05 2005,07:08)]Vanity calls. Check out the Webster definition for VANITY. You may not like it ? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
However. Webster also lists #"Vanity Plate" #which I believe would be a more applicable definition. #As it refers to a license with letters/number designated by the owner of the vehicle/license.

One entry found for vanity plate.


Main Entry: vanity plate
Function: noun
: a license plate bearing letters or numbers designated by the owner of the vehicle
I cant find any Webster dictionary with VANITY PLATE in it. Sounds like a dictionary made for people trying to get into ham radio. Not published by Webster.
The word is VANITY. Not PLATE.

If the glove fits You can not Acquit. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Go to Webster.com.

http://webster.com/cgi-bin....14&y=15 (http://webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=vanity+plate&x=14&y=15)

Sometimes, you need to expand your resources.

[N8ERM]

Things to do: get a life, too much time on your hands? build something, help someone that you don't know. Give a kid a kind word. Make sure you don’t tell anyone about the good deed. Someone will already know. When you get tired just help someone else...go to a nursing home and just listen. The end result is you will feel good and the call sign crap will just fade away. Sorry I have to go to the nursing home now. I hope they don't keep me.

[w4khr]

Well, if I had been able to keep my original call, WB4WRC, I would never have gotten a vanity. But I moved to Texas and was forced to change it and then when I moved back they had changed the rule. I just couldn't stand being in 4 land with a 5 call. When I found out that one of only two that I'd be interested in was available I figured, hey, it's worth a couple of dollars a year. And if the FCC can raise a little extra cash and keep from raising taxes, I'm willing to pay it. Easy to be a purist when you've never been forced to change the call you were born with. JMHO....KR http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

To Terry n8erm,
Good evening from the county of Shropshire in the u.k.

If all else fails, try this :

THE HAM PRAYER

Lord, thou knowest better than I know myself that I am growing older and will someday be old. Keep me from the fatal habit of thinking I must say something on every subject and on every occasion.

Release me from craving to straighten out everybody's affairs.

Make me thoughtful but not moody; helpful but not bossy. With my vast store of wisdom it seems a pity not to use it all, but Thou knowest Lord that I want a few friends at the end.

Keep my mind free from the recital of endless details; give me the wings to get to the point. Seal my lips on my aches and pains. They are increasing and love of rehearsing them is becoming sweeter as the years go by. I dare not ask for grace enough to enjoy the tales of other's pains, but help me to endure them with patience.

I dare not ask for improved memory, but for a growing humility and a lessening of cocksuredness when my memory seems to clash with the memories of others.

Teach me the glorious lesson that occasionally I may be mistaken.

Keep me reasonably sweet; I do not want to be a Saint – ( some of them are so hard to live with ) - but a sour old person is one of the crowning works of the Devil.

Give me the ability to see good things in unexpected places and talents in unexpected people. And, give me, O Lord, the grace to tell them so.

AMEN

best regards,

Howard

[ky5u]

Quote[/b] (wb4aej @ Oct. 06 2005,04:20)]Quote[/b] (N3CRT @ Sep. 30 2005,12:32)]To me it seems if you are riding in this 2 year grace period and havent cared to renew your license or vanity app then what difference does it make if a hurricane comes along and causes an "interuption"? You had 2 YEARS TO RENEW and you blew it, now take the test again. Its easier anyway.
This is the only opinion here that seems to have some validity. If they waited almost two years, they probably are not going to renew.

Add "mind reader" to the list of privleges granted by the Amateur Radio license.

[ab8fd]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[K4JF]

Quote[/b] (k7ov @ Oct. 05 2005,07:58)]Quote[/b] (KC2KIT @ Oct. 02 2005,08:16)]And the people that move from one area to another... at least they don't HAVE to change anymore. Seems to me a lot of worrying about nothing around here anymore.
Hi,

It was never that you "had" to change your callsign. It was because and still is that you are REQIRED to change your address, and before, the FCC automatically gave you a new callsign when your address reflected a different call district. Now of course, they don't do that, but you are still REQUIRED to advise them of your address. The FCC could care less if someone knows your exact address, as long as they can find you if they need to.

73,

Mike - K7OV (Vanity)
Please explain the difference between "having" to do something and being "required" to do it.

[K5SOH]

Well Kiss My Grits thats a new resourse thank you. but still doesnt have a thing to do with the price of tea in china or subject at hand the key word is still vanity / vain if the glove fits you cant acquit unless your initials or O.J. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[ve7sdx]

Quote[/b] (n0jaa @ Oct. 01 2005,14:38)]Case in point... I have a 0 callsign, but I live in Florida. Should I get a new callsign? Certainly not! Besides, I like the callsign I have!

The FCC once required Operators to obtain a new callsign if they moved outside of their call district. Fortunately, they rescinded that requirement years ago.

Paul, N0JAA.
What is the point of “call sign districts" or areas if a person keeps a call sign not for the area they are living in??

Although I am Canadian this should apply here, if living in BC VE7 is you prefix end of story.

We do not have “vanity” call signs here but a person is NOT restricted from owning more that one call I know some with 5 or more, (no not repeater owners etc)

[k7ov]

Quote[/b] (K4JF @ Oct. 06 2005,19:14)]Quote[/b] (k7ov @ Oct. 05 2005,07:58)]Quote[/b] (KC2KIT @ Oct. 02 2005,08:16)]And the people that move from one area to another... at least they don't HAVE to change anymore. Seems to me a lot of worrying about nothing around here anymore.
Hi,

It was never that you "had" to change your callsign. It was because and still is that you are REQIRED to change your address, and before, the FCC automatically gave you a new callsign when your address reflected a different call district. Now of course, they don't do that, but you are still REQUIRED to advise them of your address. The FCC could care less if someone knows your exact address, as long as they can find you if they need to.

73,

Mike - K7OV (Vanity)
Please explain the difference between "having" to do something and being "required" to do it.
No difference, but had you actually read the note, you would realize that it was not the Call sign that had to be changed, it was the address, and your address is still required to be updated when you move. In the old system, the call sign change was automatic. Just a difference of detail, but said with a chuckle which I should have included a smiley face or something. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[KD6NIG]

Its nice to see that some people can adapt to change http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Obviously code is a larger change than vanity/no vanity, but its good to see that most people are agreeing with this.

I just choose not to use the system. I feel part of the 'indoctrination' so to speak to become a ham is the random shot from the FCC's computer that is your callsign. If you get one that is difficult on HF, I just see it as part of the challenge.

Because of that, I won't be changing mine when I upgrade. Sure, I have issues with it (people often mistake the G for a D, for example) but I just feel thats part of having the call I have.

Besides, I have QSL cards, a name badge for my club, a licence plate frame, etc with not only my call, but my wifes call on them too. I don't see the need to reinvest in all of that stuff because I upgraded, especially since now someone can come online and find out I'm a tech, and when I upgrade, they can come online and find out I'm whatever I am.

I'm just surprised that there aren't more people jumping on the "I had to deal with whatever call I got from the system, so you should too" bandwagon, but that is a good thing.

[KL7VE]

Gee,

I have an Alaskan "vanity" call, and a PO Box (and some of the other items mentioned). Where does that leave me? And I actually am a VE (and firefighter, medic, and all that stuff we tend to do).

73, KL7VE

[vk3pjb]

Ge Fellars, I am in a ripe pickle here.

the DOC #issued me 25 years ago #VK3PJB #P being for Peter #J being for Julian #B being for Broughan

My three initials in a row,
AND my number plate on car,,,,Well its VK3PJB.
So why should i change my callsign when i have used that callsign since day one.. I was first to be issued this callsign.
Hell. i would have to spend $300 bucks for new number plate...And since i have been dxing since 1980, it would make it hard for someone else to use the callsign,

It would be great if in Australia, we could keep #the callsign as we upgrade,as it becomes confusing for other hams when a call has 3 owners in 6 years.

i just wish Australia would adopt vanity calls.
Ho Hum...This discusson sure becoming boring,but I suppose some one will soon come into discussion and call some one a : #" commie " because they differ in view. It normally happens as i have seen it many a discssion on ham forums.

oh Yer,nearly forgot,

In VK ,mail boxes in rural areas have no street address,They go by distance to main road,and some towns only allowed to have post boxes at post office for mail as mail delivery not to houses,

[W5WZY]

A fair, logical temporary measure for a tempoary situation. Suprisingly thoughtful.

[W5WZY]

A fair, logical, temporary measure for a temporary, extraordinary situation. Suprisingly thoughtful.

[w4xaa]

My call (K2AES) was issued to me more than forty years ago when I lived in 2-land. Not a vanity call, but issued by the luck of the draw. I've got no squawk with the Vanity Call program, but I've been content with my sequental call. When I moved to Fla, I hung on to the old call. It's great for CW, and I enjoy it when people think I own a company that sells ham rigs (I don't). But, mostly I'm too old to be comfortable showing up anywhere with a totally new identity.

Tom, K2AES,
DeLand, FL http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

can somebody please tell me what's an avatar ??

[AC0Y]

I applied for a vanity call on September 7 for our club, for a call that has been expired for 4 years, that's two years past the grace period. Why didn't they process the ones that would not be affected by the change? That's just plain DUMB! They should process the ones that are not affected then there will be fewer to do when they restart. I was just 4 days short of the 20 day wait. besides why is there a 20 day wait after they decide that the call can be granted?.....?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?
Vanity Calls are GREAT!! $21.90 for about 2 minutes work?? #It's a good deal for the FCC
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[K1MH]

Quote[/b] (K2AES @ Oct. 08 2005,09:40)]My call (K2AES) was issued to me more than forty years ago when I lived in 2-land. Not a vanity call, but issued by the luck of the draw. I've got no squawk with the Vanity Call program, but I've been content with my sequental call. When I moved to Fla, I hung on to the old call. It's great for CW, and I enjoy it when people think I own a company that sells ham rigs (I don't). But, mostly I'm too old to be comfortable showing up anywhere with a totally new identity.

Tom, K2AES,
DeLand, FL http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
Hi Tom,

Thought your call looked familiar. Remember reading your articles in some of the electronic magazines of the 60's.

My favorite was Electronics Illustrated. You never knew what you would find in that magazine. I still have quite #a few of them. Was going through them and found an article on fuel-cells and how it was expected they would be on the market in 5 years. That particular issue was from 1966.

The future looked brighter back then. Although even when I was a kid, I always doubted I'd be driving a flying car.

73,

Mike - K1MH

[K1MH]

Quote[/b] (AC0Y @ Oct. 08 2005,17:21)]Vanity Calls are GREAT!! $21.90 for about 2 minutes work?? #It's a good deal for the FCC
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
Yes, but that's just over 2 bucks a year. What can you get for 2 bucks a year these days?

Mike - K1MH

[w1cal]

Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Oct. 01 2005,15:29)]Quote[/b] (K4JF @ Oct. 01 2005,16:29)]Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Oct. 01 2005,13:46)]It's a waste of government time and resources. #Take your test, submit your paperwork, get your callsign, live with it. #Look at some of the guys that change thier callsign more often than they change their BVD's as an example. #It gets abused. #There is no good reason for someone living in Arizona to have an Alaskan call. #Then you get the guys that was the crass suffixes as seen in the ASS thread on this very site.

Nope, not needed.
There's no waste of government resources. #The Vanity system is paid for by those who use it, and no one else. #Nobody pays the FCC for a license except those of us who choose one that is meaningful.

As for the Arizonan having an Alaska call, that happens outside the Vanity system, too.

It's all about choice.
Our opinions differ then.
Yes, Our opinions do differ! #That's why we have such diversity in this world. #Thing is, everything will go much smoother as soon as you realize you're wrong & I'm right!

Wink, Wink.... # # # #Nudge, Nudge....

[KB0IOK]

The "Vanity Call" program is a pathetic program and should be eliminated.

[AE7Q]

Quote[/b] (AC0Y @ Oct. 08 2005,17:21)]I applied for a vanity call on September 7 for our club, for a call that has been expired for 4 years, that's two years past the grace period. Why didn't they process the ones that would not be affected by the change? That's just plain DUMB! They should process the ones that are not affected then there will be fewer to do when they restart. I was just 4 days short of the 20 day wait. besides why is there a 20 day wait after they decide that the call can be granted?.....?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?
Vanity Calls are GREAT!! $21.90 for about 2 minutes work?? It's a good deal for the FCC
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
The reason for the 18-20 day delay is as follows: Applicants have 10 days to pay following application. If the payment mailed, it is mailed to the FCC's bank, which timestamps payment the date it is received. Note that the payment is then processed and recorded by the bank, and that info is then transmitted to the FCC. The FCC allows an additional seven days for this processing, and perhaps for the check to clear.

The reason that the FCC cannot process applications that APPEAR to not be affected by the change, is as follows: The FCC cannot tell if there are applications delayed due to the disaster, that when received (remember, US mail was also delayed), will predate yours. Perhaps there is still some US post box in New Orleans containing a preceding application, that still needs to be dried out and delivered to the FCC.

As for the cost of the vanity program, the huge increase in August 2004 was due in part to the huge number of amateurs filing multiple applications for a callsign in early 2004, and then requesting refunds (the fee is a license fee, not an application fee). Refund requests are manually processed, and are labor intensive compared to application processing.

Check out my web site for more information on vanity callsign processing: AE7Q's Amateur Radio Database Query Tools (http://www.ae7q.com)

[K4JF]

Quote[/b] (KB0IOK @ Oct. 09 2005,08:12)]The "Vanity Call" program is a pathetic program and should be eliminated.
Disagree (obviously!). It is a fair and equitable system that burdens no one.

But I think the problem is one of perception. They could have picked a much better and more accurate name for the program.

[nc5s]

Quote[/b] (KB0IOK @ Oct. 09 2005,08:12)]The "Vanity Call" program is a pathetic program and should be eliminated.
Why? Does it cost you anything?

[WM5L]

Quote[/b] (ka5s @ Oct. 02 2005,01:23)]Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Oct. 01 2005,13:46)]It's a waste of government time and resources. Take your test, submit your paperwork, get your callsign, live with it.
I can see it now... "WQ9HDLC44? WQ9HDLC44! And some old farts want me to LIVE with it? I'll dorglebratz 'em! I'll polarize 'em! Live with it! Fingeleffingerfermerfer's... live with it! Mutter, mutter, mutter..."

Heh!

Cortland
KA5(non-vanity)S
Rich!! You have been found amogunst the QRZ trolls! Jim in Burleson,Tx Hi Hi (This is an official off topic post) so there! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[PY1LL]

Interesting! In my country, Brazil, if some callsign has no user, it is freely (no taxes) given to interested person under request, since the class and region are respected. As the time being, no callsign will be given out of the region. If a ham moves to another region, he/she has to ask for a callsign of the that new region, keeping or not the first one, but may choose among the free ones. He/she will pay the normal taxes for a new license, but nothing for a 'beautiful' callsign.

Luiz - PY1LL http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[k4lem]

The FCC as we know is so lax in many areas, one has to wonder if this latest suspension of vanity calls is somehow related to some political issues.

The truth is the number of individuals likely to be qualified for a waiver or extension is vanishingly few. This is certainly true when those numbers are compared with applicants who have paid their fees (i paid with credit card) and are now in limbo wondering when the FCC will visit the vanity call sign issue again.

But, with most policies in government, they are made for someone's convenience rather than to increase the level of service to those supposedly served by an agency.

I suspect it will be December or beyond, before they start up the vanity system again and by then can you imagine the backlogs?

Gary, W1IT/4

[n1uq]

Quote[/b] (KB0IOK @ Oct. 09 2005,08:12)]The "Vanity Call" program is a pathetic program and should be eliminated.
Raymond,
You're absolutely right. The computer selected call sign is your right of passage into the ham radio world. You’re not a “Real Ham” if you decide to select another call sign. Much like code, if you don’t know it then you don’t belong, right Raymond!

By the way, I'll let my wife know that she's not a real ham just because she got her fathers call sign.

Wayne, wb1wmb

[K8MHZ]

I think it is fine the way it is.

Now, when I see something other than an 8 call in my hometown, I have a great reason to start a conversation. #

"Hi, are you here visiting, or do you have a vanity call?"

I have found some great stories about what brought about the decision for a certain vanity call. #My friend Frank, WA7VLH has his father's call. #My daughter, Nicole (Koley) was fortunate enough to get K0LEY as a call. #I did not like my old call, and was fortunate enough to find that the rather generic K8MHZ was available and got it.

I surely don't understand why people would get upset that we have the ability to have a call that means more to us than semi-random numbers.

If we had a system that required us to have calls that accurately reflected our locations, that would be fine too. #We could still have a vanity program. #(Koley would be out of luck, but hey, we could move ;)

But it seems to be working well here. #Several of my friends have gotten vanity calls and no one around here is bothered in the least bit by it.

73,

Mark K8MHZ

[K4JF]

Quote[/b] (k8mhz @ Oct. 11 2005,15:47)]I think it is fine the way it is.

Now, when I see something other than an 8 call in my hometown, I have a great reason to start a conversation. #

"Hi, are you here visiting, or do you have a vanity call?"

I have found some great stories about what brought about the decision for a certain vanity call. #My friend Frank, WA7VLH has his father's call. #My daughter, Nicole (Koley) was fortunate enough to get K0LEY as a call. #I did not like my old call, and was fortunate enough to find that the rather generic K8MHZ was available and got it.

I surely don't understand why people would get upset that we have the ability to have a call that means more to us than semi-random numbers.

If we had a system that required us to have calls that accurately reflected our locations, that would be fine too. #We could still have a vanity program. #(Koley would be out of luck, but hey, we could move ;)

But it seems to be working well here. #Several of my friends have gotten vanity calls and no one around here is bothered in the least bit by it.

73,

Mark K8MHZ
Excellent points, Mark. #That's why I think "vanity" is the wrong name. #What is vain about getting your late father's call (as a friend of mine did)? #What is vain about a club getting a good leader's call? #What is vain about getting an Elmer's call after he went SK (as I almost did)?

OK, there might be a little vanity in my case, getting my initials, but we are the minority. #(Besides, it has a great rhythm on CW.... as long as we get to use it.)

"If CW is outlawed, only outlaws will use CW."

[w1jeq]

Yes I know im a no code tech. so what. I currently have my original call which i will never ever forget. kilo charlie zero quick easy victory, (the football coach's idea) that was issued by the fcc not vanity. I am applying for a call of a distant relative of mine that happend to write in QST and has been an SK for many years now, I applied the day b4 the fcc suspended the vanity system. Yes i know that the call i am wanting is a 1x3 which is not to typical of a no code tech but who cares. and yes i know that the call is a W1 and i live in Ø land (no more having to type Alt+0216 to get a Ø hihi) but to me its worth it. I say its a personal prefernce. maybe its a call you had in 1952 when you first got licensed that is in another call district or one that belonged to the man that first got you interested in radio. or it could just be your intials or your GF intials. It doesn't matter. If the call has meaning to you and its availble i say go get it.

Ok who wants the soapbox next i will leave at the entrance of this post. please take care of the soapbox, it ain't fireproof that i can tell. hihi.

73 de Matthew KCØQEV (soon to be (W1JEQ)

[W6YNS]

A person should whatever callsign they want.

When a person goes to get tested; they should make a list and then whatever callsign letters they choose they can obtain if isn't already taken.

The limitations are that the callsigns begin with either a K,N,W. I wanted to have my callsign as the only callsign I ever had. I didn't want to be issued a callsign and then have to change it and have the old one listed.

What if you were issued a callsign like KW0GAY or some other really weird callsign? Wouldn't you want it changed?

Why do people need to know that what I have is a Vanity Call? If a person gets their callsign from their late Uncle Fred or Aunt Edna it shouldn't be listed as Vanity because their relatives aren't going to come back to life.

[k6br]

Quote[/b] (K0PJG @ Oct. 05 2005,08:21)]Well, just got off the phone with FCC. #1-888-225-5322

After a greeting in ENGLISH, there is a diatribe in Spanish.

Then, CHOICES...... Save your self a lot of grief es hit option 2, even though it says ref: Auctioned freq's...........

Of course I went way past that es had to hit ZERO!

Then a kind lady told me I should have hit TWO.....es that they have asked them to change the Auctioned freq's thing.

OK, now into the HAM section;

A not so kind lady answers the phone with a greeting es that "this conversation WILL be recorded". #

I give her my usual "Good Morning" es this is ...............

No levity with this girl, straight to "What is your phone number Sir"

Me thinks others have made this Call to them, they are not in a good mood.

I explained my application to the Vanity system had not been approved as yet es that it had nothing to do with the Hurricanes. #I was trying to obtain my Elmer's old Call sign who lives in MO. ( He got his original Call back of W9TDH through the Vanity system.) five years ago or so.
FCC gave him WØTDH after the War.

She gave me the boiler plate about suspension of the Vanity system es there was nothing I could do about it.

I asked when do they expect to restore the Vanity system - they have no idea was the response. #

I thanked her es bid her a good day.

Tom - KØPJG
I phoned the FCC yesterday and the kind lady said she had just heard 5 minutes ago that the vanity call sign process would begin again on November 22nd.

Just my luck the one time I see a call I want, apply and pay my money the system is suspended. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

I waited to get a 1x2 six area callsign, I do not understand anyone that would want a call from another area if you live in six land.

[k6br]

Quote[/b] (KB0IOK @ Oct. 09 2005,08:12)]The "Vanity Call" program is a pathetic program and should be eliminated.
Said by an advanced class licensee, 1x2 or 2x1 Jealousy maybe, or maybe not, could be Grandfathered into an Extra, another issue?

[k6br]

Quote[/b] (K1MH @ Oct. 03 2005,01:47)]Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Oct. 02 2005,14:56)]OK, I don't think you should be able to get married, collect a tax refund, drive a car, post at QRZ, eat lutefisk, swim, go on vacation, get a vasectomy, own a gun, watch television, or drink beer until you've passed a code test.
Every guy should have the right to a vasectomy. Its trouble free driving!

Mike - K1MH
I don't think I need a vasectomy, I have worked high power Microwaves for many years

[ab8ma]

Quote[/b] (wb1wmb @ Oct. 11 2005,17:13)]By the way, I'll let my wife know that she's not a real ham just because she got her fathers call sign.

Wayne, wb1wmb
You won't be able to copy code for a month if you do that. Hi Hi

Bob - AB8MA

[K4JF]

Quote[/b] (W6YNS @ Oct. 12 2005,16:52)]The limitations are that the callsigns begin with either a K,N,W.
Also "A".

[n3bm]

[/quote]
You won't be able to copy code for a month if you do that. Hi Hi

Bob - AB8MA[/quote]
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif Now that's funny!

Aubrey/KI4LSA

[VE7RFH]

Quote[/b] (W6YNS @ Oct. 12 2005,16:52)]What if you were issued a callsign like KW0GAY or some other really weird callsign? Wouldn't you want it changed?
Why, what's wrong with that call?

[k4lem]

I agree, its better to have a digit that corresponds with your physical location. That was originally one of the reasons FCC made districts. I have however heard KL7 calls when that person never was in Alaska. Rather a disappointment when he comes back and says, "Oh, I'm in Pittsburg."

Nice to hear they think they'll pick up processing on November 22. It was a dumb idea to stop the system anyway. The number of applicants who will qualify for a time waiver I'll bet is almost zilch. In mean time look at the backlogs they're creating. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[K4JF]

Quote[/b] (VE7RFH @ Oct. 14 2005,07:55)]Quote[/b] (W6YNS @ Oct. 12 2005,16:52)]What if you were issued a callsign like KW0GAY or some other really weird callsign? Wouldn't you want it changed?
Why, what's wrong with that call?
I think that is pretty d**n obvious.

[VE7RFH]

Quote[/b] (K4JF @ Oct. 17 2005,13:32)]Quote[/b] (VE7RFH @ Oct. 14 2005,07:55)]Quote[/b] (W6YNS @ Oct. 12 2005,16:52)]What if you were issued a callsign like KW0GAY or some other really weird callsign? Wouldn't you want it changed?
Why, what's wrong with that call?
I think that is pretty d**n obvious.
Oh really, care to explain why?

[K4JF]

Quote[/b] (VE7RFH @ Oct. 17 2005,19:53)]Quote[/b] (K4JF @ Oct. 17 2005,13:32)]Quote[/b] (VE7RFH @ Oct. 14 2005,07:55)]Quote[/b] (W6YNS @ Oct. 12 2005,16:52)]What if you were issued a callsign like KW0GAY or some other really weird callsign? Wouldn't you want it changed?
Why, what's wrong with that call?
I think that is pretty d**n obvious.
Oh really, care to explain why?
Oh, good grief! "There are none so blind as those who refuse to see."

[AE7Q]

Quote[/b] (VE7RFH @ Oct. 17 2005,19:53)]Oh really, care to explain why?
I'm assuming VE7RFH is being argumentative, but I'll bite:

Whether or not you agree with them, there are quite a few people in the world that believe homosexuality is wrong, and don't want the association. That's their privilege.

[VE7RFH]

Quote[/b] (AE7Q @ Oct. 18 2005,06:33)]Quote[/b] (VE7RFH @ Oct. 17 2005,19:53)]Oh really, care to explain why?
I'm assuming VE7RFH is being argumentative, but I'll bite:

Whether or not you agree with them, there are quite a few people in the world that believe homosexuality is wrong, and don't want the association. #That's their privilege.
Yup , and some people are offensively open with their bigotry.

[ad7kj]

Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Oct. 01 2005,15:29)]It's a waste of government time and resources. #Take your test, submit your paperwork, get your callsign, live with it.


It's all about choice.
Our opinions differ then.[/QUOTE]
I had to study for all the exams I ever took.

I changed my Novice/Technician call to prevent
confusion. When you are passing weather related
traffic and other operators have a call-sign
very similar to yours in noisy conditions it is
very hard to understand anything much less
hearing who you are listening to.

You have a picture of yourself(?) in bunker gear.
You ever have to have someone repeat? 10-9?

Hats off to you.


Cullen, AD5PU, ex KC5ENJ and ex KK5EQ

Fire Accadamy at
Delgado, Texas A&M, LSU and NRA

[K4JF]

Quote[/b] (VE7RFH @ Oct. 18 2005,09:56)]Quote[/b] (AE7Q @ Oct. 18 2005,06:33)]Quote[/b] (VE7RFH @ Oct. 17 2005,19:53)]Oh really, care to explain why?
I'm assuming VE7RFH is being argumentative, but I'll bite:

Whether or not you agree with them, there are quite a few people in the world that believe homosexuality is wrong, and don't want the association. #That's their privilege.
Yup , and some people are offensively open with their bigotry.
Bravo sierra. It's not bigotry to disagree with what people DO.

[AE7Q]

Quote[/b] (VE7RFH @ Oct. 18 2005,09:56)]Yup , and some people are offensively open with their bigotry.
So, not wanting a callsign that is contrary to one's religious beliefs is "offensively open with their bigotry" ???

There are two sides to being offensive. Labelling people as bigots because they disagree with you, is offensive to many people as well.

There's an old latin phrase for that: ad hominem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem)

[K4JF]

Labeling people at all is offensive to me. #We are all individuals and responsible for our own words and actions. #(Yeah, I know, I'm a right wing extremist!)

And this is inappropriate for this forum so I will post no more.

[N3ATS]

<THREAD HIJACK=on>

Sorry to interrupt. Saw your callsign AE7Q, and just wanted to say I love your site!

Okay, thanks...

<THREAD HIJACK=off>

[AE7Q]

Quote[/b] (N3ATS @ Oct. 18 2005,17:07)]Sorry to interrupt. Saw your callsign AE7Q, and just wanted to say I love your site!
Thanks!

[VE7RFH]

Quote[/b] (K4JF @ Oct. 18 2005,17:06)]Labeling people at all is offensive to me. #We are all individuals and responsible for our own words and actions. #(Yeah, I know, I'm a right wing extremist!)

And this is inappropriate for this forum so I will post no more.
Inappropriate for this forum (and most other places too), I quite agree but your remark should be addressed to the bigot who first made derogatory references about homosexuality here.

[K4JF]

Quote[/b] (VE7RFH @ Oct. 18 2005,23:27)]Quote[/b] (K4JF @ Oct. 18 2005,17:06)]Labeling people at all is offensive to me. #We are all individuals and responsible for our own words and actions. #(Yeah, I know, I'm a right wing extremist!)

And this is inappropriate for this forum so I will post no more.
Inappropriate for this forum (and most other places too), I quite agree but your remark should be addressed to the bigot who first made derogatory references about homosexuality here.
Go back and read it. No one made any such remark.

[nc5s]

Quote[/b] (VE7RFH @ Oct. 18 2005,23:27)]Quote[/b] (K4JF @ Oct. 18 2005,17:06)]Labeling people at all is offensive to me. #We are all individuals and responsible for our own words and actions. #(Yeah, I know, I'm a right wing extremist!)

And this is inappropriate for this forum so I will post no more.
Inappropriate for this forum (and most other places too), I quite agree but your remark should be addressed to the bigot who first made derogatory references about homosexuality here.
What in the hell is your problem? #Did someone die and leave you thinking that you are the conscience of the amateur radio community? #Well, if so, you are sadly mistaken. #Personally, I think that homosexuality is wrong. I think abortion is wrong. #I have just a much right to my beliefs as you. # If you want to call me a bigot, go right ahead if it makes your pointed little head feel better.

[WQ8U]

I am from the old school when the FCC assigned call signs based on when you passed your tests. I think this vanity call business is just another money maker for the FCC and it is a detrement to ham radio. I would really like to have some general idea where a ham is at based on the call sign. It is a real bummer to respond to a KL7 or a KH6 only to find out they are transmitting from Indiana. Let's demand the FCC impose strict area code licensing - it would make obn-the-air QSOs more pleasant!
73
Mac
WQ8U

[W4BD]

Well I am a BIGOT!! #I am a firm believer in indivigial freedoms, but just don't bother me with your lifestyle. #As for the Vanity Calls I have one and it is my area and I think that is the way it should be. #If you are in the 9 area then have a 9 Vanity Call if you want one if not then don't. #This is my opinion and we all know opinions are like noses everybody has one and they all smell.

73's

Bill #W4BPK
Donalsonville, Ga.

[nc5s]

Quote[/b] (WQ8U @ Oct. 19 2005,21:38)]. #Let's demand the FCC impose strict area code licensing - it would make obn-the-air QSOs more pleasant!
73
Mac
WQ8U
Well Mac,

If lifes circumstances, or your personal choice, caused you to move, say to call area 4. would you be willing to give up your 2x1 call for a computer assigned 2x2 call in the 4 area?

[VE7RFH]

Quote[/b] (W4BPK @ Oct. 20 2005,06:30)]Well I am a BIGOT!! #I am a firm believer in indivigial freedoms, but just don't bother me with your lifestyle. #As for the Vanity Calls I have one and it is my area and I think that is the way it should be. #If you are in the 9 area then have a 9 Vanity Call if you want one if not then don't. #This is my opinion and we all know opinions are like noses everybody has one and they all smell.

73's

Bill #W4BPK
Donalsonville, Ga.
Who was it who brought up homosexuality and lifestyles? It was not me. if you don't want to provoke responses to what you post then think about what you've typed before you submit a post.

Let me guess, I'll wager you also object to the elimination of Morse Code proficiency from the license requirement?

[VE7RFH]

Quote[/b] (nc5s @ Oct. 19 2005,18:49)]Quote[/b] (VE7RFH @ Oct. 18 2005,23:27)]Quote[/b] (K4JF @ Oct. 18 2005,17:06)]Labeling people at all is offensive to me. #We are all individuals and responsible for our own words and actions. #(Yeah, I know, I'm a right wing extremist!)

And this is inappropriate for this forum so I will post no more.
Inappropriate for this forum (and most other places too), I quite agree but your remark should be addressed to the bigot who first made derogatory references about homosexuality here.
What in the hell is your problem? #Did someone die and leave you thinking that you are the conscience of the amateur radio community? #Well, if so, you are sadly mistaken. #Personally, I think that homosexuality is wrong. I think abortion is wrong. #I have just a much right to my beliefs as you. # If you want to call me a bigot, go right ahead if it makes your pointed little head feel better.
If you're going to let your bigotry hang out in public like dirty laundry then you had better expect people to react. I was not the one who brought up the subject of homosexuality or lifestyle choices here and what does abortion have to do with the thread topic or ham radio for that matter?

[W4BD]

Well RHF you are the one who questioned the GAY call #and got defensive about why somebody didn't want it. #As I said I believe in indivigual freedom I may not agree with what you do but I will defend your right to do it. #As for the elemination of code I struggled like hell to get by the 5wpm but I did pass it and I will never operate cw unless I have a computer to read it and send it. #I think that those that want to run cw should be able to run till their heart content. #I could care less if the FCC keeps the code or drops it. #The code test is not going to stop any CB'er or FREEBANDER from getting a ticket or operating on HF or VHF or any other band for that matter.
I am not and never will be POLITICALITY CORRECT what you see is what you get from me.

73's

Bill #W4BPK
Donalsonville, Ga.

[VE7RFH]

Quote[/b] (W4BPK @ Oct. 20 2005,15:15)]Well RHF you are the one who questioned the GAY call #and got defensive about why somebody didn't want it. #As I said I believe in indivigual freedom I may not agree with what you do but I will defend your right to do it. #As for the elemination of code I struggled like hell to get by the 5wpm but I did pass it and I will never operate cw unless I have a computer to read it and send it. #I think that those that want to run cw should be able to run till their heart content. #I could care less if the FCC keeps the code or drops it. #The code test is not going to stop any CB'er or FREEBANDER from getting a ticket or operating on HF or VHF or any other band for that matter.
I am not and never will be POLITICALITY CORRECT what you see is what you get from me.

73's

Bill #W4BPK
Donalsonville, Ga.
The particular combination of letters used as an illustration of an undesirable call in the post that sparked this series of exchanges trumpeted bigotry of the worst kind and begged for a response? #The issue of homosexuality was brought up by others not me. #As for individual freedom, I subscribe to that right too provided it does not impinge unduly on other people's individual freedoms and maintains an element of respect and dignity for other people, whoever and whatever they might be. #I am also highly amused that some people immediately jumped to the conclusion that I am homosexual based on this series of exchanges. #Just shows one does not need to be particularly smart to get a license!

And for the record, I was in no way defensive about why somebody would not want the letters GAY in a call, just the obvious prejudice and bigotry behind chosing to use those particular letters as an example.

I am not particularly politically correct either but I strive to live my life with some dignity, respecting others around me and the metaphorical hand of cards life may have dealt them.

[W4BD]

Well I hate to say it RHF but I read things a little different. #You can bet all the money in the bank and the tea in China that when my first call came if it had ended in GAY I would have NEVER used it and wuld have gotten a Vanity sooner than I did. #Now if that makes me anti homosexual then I will wear the title with pride. #There has been enough said about this subject so lets talk about something important. #

73's

Bill W4BPK
Donalsonville, Ga.

[VE7RFH]

Quote[/b] (W4BPK @ Oct. 20 2005,16:35)]Well I hate to say it RHF but I read things a little different. #You can bet all the money in the bank and the tea in China that when my first call came if it had ended in GAY I would have NEVER used it and wuld have gotten a Vanity sooner than I did. #Now if that makes me anti homosexual then I will wear the title with pride. #There has been enough said about this subject so lets talk about something important. #

73's

Bill W4BPK
Donalsonville, Ga.
You can reject a call for any reason you wish but the original poster, when I asked what the objection was, made it crystal clear that the objection was homophobic and that was further reinforced by other homophobic posters. Go back and read the posts so that you can stay on message.

After reading your posts I can just imagination the shock and awe being assigned such a call would cause in your life, how you would find the essence of your very own manhood terminally undermined and that you would rather be dead and buried than use such a call. What a hoot!.

And my call letters are RFH as is clear in the header to each one of my posts.

[W4BD]

Well sorry that I transposed your call!! That I do care about making mistakes like that. That said lets discuss something of importance like the hurricane comming or the price of oil.

73's

Bill W4BPK
Donalsonville, Ga.

[AE7Q]

Quote[/b] (VE7RFH @ Oct. 20 2005,17:10)]... the objection was homophobic and that was further reinforced by other homophobic posters....
Oh, please! Believing that homosexual activity is wrong does not make the person homophobic, any more than believing that heterosexual sex outside of marriage is also wrong, means that they fear persons of the opposite sex.

Your name calling of "homophobic" and "bigoted" may be comforting to you, but it's simply another "ad hominem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem)" attack that is universally discredited.

If you want your views to be respected, you have to respect the views and beliefs of other individuals without calling them names.

[VE7RFH]

"universally discredited".... by the homophobe community maybe.
AE7Q I wonder whether your attitude would be any different if you had a homosexual child, brother or cousin or would you simply deny or disown them?

[kf4npm]

que sers,sera!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[kf4npm]

what seen to be the problem?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[kf4npm]

what seen to be the problem?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[K4JF]

Quote[/b] (kf4npm @ Oct. 22 2005,06:41)]what seen to be the problem?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
It seems we have some people completely off the subject of Amateur Radio, and into name-calling. Sounds like (what some people hear on) the SSB portion of a certain band. :o\

[k5xs]

I have now taken to looking for long threads here on QRZ and seeing how far the latest post has strayed from the original.

In this case, we have a post informing amateurs that vanity processing has been delayed due to hurricane response efforts. I wasn't the least surprised to see the topic had morphed, but was amused to see it is now a discussion on homosexuality.

I'm not sure what conclusions to draw, but it surely is interesting...

73,
Bernie K5XS

[nc5s]

Quote[/b] (k5xs @ Oct. 23 2005,19:16)]I have now taken to looking for long threads here on QRZ and seeing how far the latest post has strayed from the original.

In this case, we have a post informing amateurs that vanity p