Astounding prophecy

[k4kyv]

Quote[/b] ]But the next day the storm gathered steam and drew a bead on the city. As the whirling maelstrom approached the coast, more than a million people evacuated to higher ground. Some 200,000 remained, however—the car-less, the homeless, the aged and infirm, and those die-hard New Orleanians who look for any excuse to throw a party.

That could have been taken verbatim out of a recent newspaper article from anywhere in the world. But it was published in October, 2004.

Maybe it isn't so astounding after all. It has long been known not a to be a matter of if, but when.

Gone With the Water (http://www3.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0410/feature5/index.html)

[k6pme]

Obviously our elected officials, and more importantly those of the NOLA region, don't read National Geographic.

[KC2ESD]

Quote[/b] ]Obviously our elected officials, and more importantly those of the NOLA region, don't read National Geographic.
Or watch the Weather Channel. They warned of New Orleans being the worst spot for a Hurricane to hit Since 1985!

[W7DJM]

There was far more than THAT. (I've forgotten, PBS?) sat down with some officials and reviewed a gvt. funded "plan" "program" "study" "findings" pick the word you want that outlined EXACTLY what would happen in a severe storm, and there are allegations that those (deteriorated) storm walls would not have survived much over a category 2, either.

They all knew.

[KE7DFP]

I think they're long range city planning strategy was: Let it deteriorate. When the big one comes the feds will buy us a brand new city!

[n2nh]

I doubt if the levees would've held in any event. New Orleans was known to be a disaster waiting to happen. National Geographic did a number of studies on it over the last 40+ years. If New Orleans is rebuilt there again, it will happen again.

Galveston is another city that has been devastated in the past and that could happen again.

Those that do not learn from history...

[n8yx]

Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Sep. 11 2005,15:28)]Those that do not learn from history...
Scream bloody murder and point fingers like crazy when they get bit by the same ol' dog...AGAIN...

[ai4ep]

Well...if nature works in 36 year cycles, then my area will be in trouble around 2010 ( 1974 tornado outbreak ).

No we wont be ready.

FYI where I got the "36 year cycle " is from 1969 when CAMILLE cut across the southern states.

[k4kyv]

Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Sep. 11 2005,15:28)]Galveston is another city that has been devastated in the past and that could happen again.
So is Houston. If another hurricane the size and strength of Carla hits again (which is inevitable sooner or later), the damage will be incredibly worse because there is so much more development in the area, a lot if not most of which is in known flood plains.

I heard a story on NPR a couple of days ago, where they said that the New Orleans flooding was not entirely from the broken levees, but that the wind had whipped up a tsunami-like 20' wave that would have slopped over the wall regardless.

I recall that everyone was saying that N.O. had dodged the bullet, until the levees gave way. But at that moment, in all the confusion, no-one probably knew exactly what had taken place.

No way would I ever live close to the Gulf of Mexico.

[KC7UP]

I worked for the government for 30yrs and this was before Katrina, I found the govt. never listens to outside sources, never takes blame, alway reacts slowly, and always when it has too hatches an underling.
Curt

[k6pme]

Quote[/b] (KC7UP @ Sep. 12 2005,08:34)]I worked for the government for 30yrs and this was before Katrina, I found the govt. never listens to outside sources, never takes blame, alway reacts slowly, and always when it has too hatches an underling.
Curt
Hatches or hatchets?

[W2ILP]

I dunno if we can take anything that Adam Gagahn says seriously....BUT aparetly the news media has and I suppose that our government is giving his warnings as much investigation as possible. #They wouldn't want to be later accused of ignoring the warnings if a terrorist attack on LA or VK3 land does transpire.

Reading Adam's web message is interesting for me. #He starts out obviously disclaiming any logical belief in the Trinity, as well as the Bibles of Christians and Jews, and this could have led him to be an Atheist as I am....BUT then he goes on to worship Allah and believe in the certitude of the Quaran, which is sheer hipocracy for one who has rejected the Testaments on a logical basis. #Obviously Adam is seeking acceptance from Muslims and publicity from us all, because he is at odds with his own parents and his early upbringing...or lack of it.

The Old Testament of the Jews, unlike the Christian New Testament, does not personify God in any form...nor recognize a "Trinity" with a God in human form (Christ.)
The New Testament, unlike the Old Testament, does not recognize any tribal group (Jews/Zionists)as "chosen people." #
Adam sees these conflicts and uses them as an excuse for accepting Islam...BUT
the Quran accepts lots of stuff that would be considered against present civil law in the U.S....
Poligimany, and the subjugation of women for example...that are not exactly wise philosophies when equated with modern civilization. #The history of Mohamad, the human prophet of Allah, is filled with inconsistencies if we want to be logical.

One might agree that extremism of any religion conflicts with the morality as well as the necessities of modern societies, and is not logical when observed from either scientific knowledge or ethical secular Humanism.

My humble advice is to realize that Adam is on the fringe of lunacy. #He may not be hearing a call from "supernatural voices" but he is following false prophets and has become one himself.
Thus his ranting may be only self created. # We must however do all we can to protect ANY CITIES #from acts of terrorism regardless of our beliefs or disbeliefs in Adam's phrophesies.

w2ilp (Ignore Lunatic Prophet?)

[W5MJL]

Quote[/b] (k4kyv @ Sep. 11 2005,22:49)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Sep. 11 2005,15:28)]Galveston is another city that has been devastated in the past and that could happen again.
So is Houston. #If another hurricane the size and strength of Carla hits again (which is inevitable sooner or later), the damage will be incredibly worse because there is so much more development in the area, #a lot if not most of which is in known flood plains.
Yes, Galveston has continued to sink over the years and is completely surrounded by water. A hurricane the size of katrina would probably wipe it out.

Houston on the other hand would have no problem with a hurricane like katrina unless it was on the dirty side of the hurricane. We seem to have more problems with slow moving tropical storms that can dump 7-10 inches of rain in one hour. Our drainage systems can only handle 1 inch per hour and the extra water has to go somewhere.

I would ride out any hurricane in the area of houston where I live.

[k4kyv]

Quote[/b] (KC7UP @ Sep. 12 2005,08:34)]I worked for the government for 30yrs and this was before Katrina, I found the govt. never listens to outside sources, never takes blame, alway reacts slowly, and always when it has too hatches an underling.
One thing you forgot: "...and never admits that it made a wrong decision"

[AC0H]

Quote[/b] ]I recall that everyone was saying that N.O. had dodged the bullet, until the levees gave way. #But at that moment, in all the confusion, no-one probably knew exactly what had taken place.

They did dodge a bullet.

The storm surge that hit Biloxi/Gulfport was estimated at 35' by the NHC whereas N.O. had a surge of something less than 20' and they didn't take a direct hit. From a structural damage point of view MS is in much worse shape than N.O. It's like the hand of God scraped the place clean for 10 miles from the coast. Nothing but concrete slabs where houses used to be.

[W2ILP]

Sorry for posting my message about Adam Gadahn here. #It really belongs on another thread which was about his prophesy of an attack on LA and/or Melbourne, Australia.

More appropriate to the subject here is an article in the New York Times today where it said that satellite photos have recognized that the lower parts of NO are about ten feet lower in elevation than previously believed. #They attribute this to the fact that NO sits on delta that has had oil and gas piped out from under it and now is #not as dense as it should be. #The land is thus like a sponge swamp. #On top of this is the belief that the sea level all over is generally rising due to global warming and ice cap melting. # IMHO "global warming" might be cyclical, however it is presently a recognized factor in predicting sea level.

If the above assumptions are true it means that the levees must be built higher. #This will be expensive but it has to be done.

w2ilp (Increase Levee Protection)

[w5ljm]

Quote[/b] ]A wiseman once told me "Do not stick your hand into the fire, for in doing so, you shall surely be burned." I stuck my hand into the fire and sure enough, I was burned.
After knowing this fact, I stuck my hand into the fire AGAIN! I was burned more severely that time. I did not attempt a third time. Shall I go on with this analogy. #I have many more comparisons to mention as well.
They were aware of the dangers of building and living below sea level in a coastal area and that NO manmade structure can withstand the forces of nature. #It would be foolish to attempt it again. #Rebuild if they must, but they'll have no sympathy from me this time or the next time.
I'm waiting to hear all the moaning and crying from those on the West coast up and down the San Andreas fault, when that area is devastated. #Sound cold hearted, maybe, but they know that someday ... They know. I said it once, I'll say it again.

[k4kyv]

Just fill in the Gulf of Mexico. That would take care of the worst of our hurricane problems, and the continent east of the Rockies wouldn't have to suffer from that damned summertime humidity.

Plus it would put the oil rigs on dry land.

We could make the new territory that has oil reserves our 51st state and subdivide and auction off the rest to the highest bidders. That would pay for the cost of the landfill and let the rest go towards the national debt.

Where to get the landfill material?

Ship sand from the middle east. Let them keep their oil.

If we happen to find any WMD's hidden in the sand, auction them off too. N. Korea and Iran would surely be interested. Pootie Poot might enter a bid also.

Another use for the newly created land would be relocation of illegal aliens.