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VA6DJB
08-25-2005, 12:54 PM
OTTAWA — A major geomagnetic storm washed over Canada early Wednesday and a second smaller event was forecast for early Thursday, providing a light show for sky watchers and potential headaches for satellite companies.
"It's up at the high end, this one -- this is up in the major storm category," said David Boteler, a scientist with Natural Resources Canada.

A large sun spot Monday afternoon sent a wave of electrons and protons screaming through space at 1,644 kilometres a second -- four to five times the usual speed.

"That plowed into the Earth just after midnight (Wednesday)," said Boteler, who works with the Geological Survey of Canada tracking such events. "I'd expect for anyone up to see it, there would have been some very good auroral displays."

A second large eruption on the sun's surface Tuesday was approaching Earth on Wednesday night.

Geomagnetic storms are caused by gusts of solar wind blowing past Earth and disturbing the planet's protective magnetic field, mainly around the North and South poles.

Such storms can affect electrical grids, satellite communications and high frequency radio transmissions -- while also providing spectacular displays of the northern lights far south of where the aurora borealis normally rings the top of the globe.

"When you get a large disturbance like this, then the whole of that ring expands so that brings the aurora and the magnetic activity down to lower latitudes," said Boteler.

Other effects are less benign.

In March 1989, a severe geomagnetic storm knocked out Quebec Hydro's grid from James Bay to Montreal, cutting power to almost six million people.

In 1994, a similar storm destroyed circuits in the $296-million Anik E-1 satellite, disrupting Canadian TV, radio and data transmissions.

Two years later, yet another geomagnetic storm affecting American satellites caused a massive break in pager service in the United States. And in 2003, a storm briefly cut power to 20,000 people in Sweden.

The Geological Survey of Canada, which provides forecasts of solar activity on the Natural Resources Canada website, had no reports Wednesday of damage from the latest event.

Power grids have been upgraded since 1989 to protect them from geomagnetic surges and some changes have been made to protect the hundreds of satellites orbiting Earth.

Satellites, however, remain exposed, said Boteler. In fact, some are more vulnerable today than in the past because electronics advances have moved to low-power circuitry that can have less tolerance for sudden power surges.

Overall sun spot activity is in decline, on the downswing of an 11-year cycle. But that hasn't stopped what Boteler describes as "almost rogue storms" that have washed the Earth in the past two years.

"These very large ones are rather unpredictable," said the scientist.

n6ajr
08-29-2005, 06:32 PM
It seems that the sun has its bloomers on up side down this month. I notices the A index at over 70 early on this week. The Tv science show have been putting a lot of info on the sun and flares and such here lately.

I guess 50 years ago none of this would matter, but today there is so much equipment, the power grid, cell phiones, digital TV, satalites, and even folks in space who can be hurt from solar flares.

folks who don't believe in how powerful this stuff can be should remember a bit back when the fellows on the space station threw out a couple of thousand feet of wire to cut through the earths magnetic field as a power generator ( you know a wire cut by a magnetic field produces electricity) and it drew so much current it actually threw a spark and melted , they guesstimate around 400 -500 amps..

With SOHO and other instruments now that may be watching the sun, we are learning so much more about it, and it is truly amazing. A fission furnace whit rotating magnetic fields, flares protuberances, fat spots and all.

Thank goodness its there, and also that we have our magnetic field due to our active iron core, or we would be living on a different world.

kl7aj
08-29-2005, 06:37 PM
Quote[/b] (n6ajr @ Aug. 29 2005,11:32)]It seems that the sun has its bloomers on up side down this month. #I notices the A index at over 70 early on this week. #The Tv science show have been putting a lot of info on the sun and flares and such here lately.

I guess 50 years ago none of this would matter, but today there is so much equipment, the power grid, cell phiones, digital TV, satalites, and even folks in space who can be hurt from solar flares.

folks who don't believe in how powerful this stuff can be should remember a bit back when the fellows on the space station threw out a couple of thousand feet of wire to cut through the earths magnetic field as a power generator ( you know a wire cut by a magnetic field produces electricity) and it drew so much current it actually threw a spark and melted , they guesstimate around 400 -500 amps..

With SOHO and other instruments now that may be watching the sun, we are learning so much more about it, and it is truly amazing. A fission furnace whit rotating magnetic fields, flares protuberances, fat spots and all.

Thank goodness its there, and also that we have our magnetic field due to our active iron core, or we would be living on a different world.
During active auroras, they frequently measure 400 amps of current through the Alaska Pipeline. So far, they haven't been able to do much useful with it, http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

eric

kd5scf
08-30-2005, 08:27 AM
Quote[/b] (n6ajr @ Aug. 29 2005,12:32)]"A fission furnace whit rotating magnetic fields, flares protuberances, fat spots and all."
I'm sure you meant "fusion"

W9WHE
08-30-2005, 06:00 PM
This geomagnetic storm is all Geogre Bush's fault.
If the US had not invaded Iraq, then the US millitary would not be running so many internal combustion engines, expelling gobs of greenhouse gasses that cause global warming which, in turn, reflect sunlight back to the sun, raising the sun's temprature and causing geomagnetic storms.

Hey, its a scientific fact. I read it on Move-on.org, so it must be true, right? Besides, Dan Rather has the documents to prove it!

Recall that Al Gore invented global warming and wrote in his book (Earth in the ballance) that the only solution was $5 per gallon gas, in order to drive down consumption by the average (middle income) American. Good thing that John Kerry has a plan to save us from ourselves. If you don't agree with it....Teresa Kerry says you are "stupid".

W9WHE

w8vho
08-30-2005, 10:46 PM
well i will agree with anything that said its George Bush's fault!!!!! 400 amps in the pipeline what about 400 gallons of gas for my car thats cheap! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

aa1mn
09-01-2005, 08:28 PM
That's great, it starts with an earthquake,
Birds & snakes, an aeroplane & Lenny Bruce is not afraid
Eye of a hurricane, listen to yourself churn
World serves its own needs, dummy serve your own needs
Feed it off an aux speak, grunt, no, strength,
Ladder start to clatter with fear fight down height
Wire in a fire, representing seven games & a government for hire & a combat site
Left of west & coming in a hurry with the furies breathing down your neck

Team by team reporters baffled, trumped, tethered cropped
Look at that low playing! Fine, then
Uh oh, overflow, population, common food, but it'll do
Save yourself, serve yourself
World serves its own needs, listen to your heart bleed
Dummy with the rapture & the revered & the right
Right
You vitriolic, patriotic, slam, fight, bright light feeling pretty psyched

CHORUS:
It's the end of the world as we know it
It's the end of the world as we know it
It's the end of the world as we know it & I feel fine

Six o'clock ~ TV hour
Don't get caught in foreign towers
Slash & burn, return, listen to yourself churn
Locking in, uniforming, book burning, blood letting
Every motive escalate. Automotive incinerate
Light a candle, light a votive, step down, step down
Watch your heel crush, crushed, uh~oh, this means no fear, cavalier
Renegade steer clear! A tournament, tournament, a tournament of lies
Offer me solutions, offer me alternatives & I decline

CHORUS ~ REPEAT

The other night I dreamt of knives
Continental drift divide
Mountains sit in a line, Leonard Bernstein
Leonid Brezhnev, Lenny Bruce & Lester Bangs
Birthday party, cheesecake, jelly bean, boom!
You symbiotic, patriotic, slam book neck
Right?
Right

CHORUS ~ REPEAT 4X
fine...fine...
(It's time I had some time alone)

09-02-2005, 12:14 AM
Quote[/b] (aa1mn @ Sep. 01 2005,13:28)]That's great, it starts with an earthquake,
Birds & snakes, an aeroplane & Lenny Bruce is not afraid
Eye of a hurricane, listen to yourself churn
World serves its own needs, dummy serve your own needs
Feed it off an aux speak, grunt, no, strength,
Ladder start to clatter with fear fight down height
Wire in a fire, representing seven games & a government for hire & a combat site
Left of west & coming in a hurry with the furies breathing down your neck

Team by team reporters baffled, trumped, tethered cropped
Look at that low playing! Fine, then
Uh oh, overflow, population, common food, but it'll do
Save yourself, serve yourself
World serves its own needs, listen to your heart bleed
Dummy with the rapture & the revered & the right
Right
You vitriolic, patriotic, slam, fight, bright light feeling pretty psyched

CHORUS:
It's the end of the world as we know it
It's the end of the world as we know it
It's the end of the world as we know it & I feel fine

Six o'clock ~ TV hour
Don't get caught in foreign towers
Slash & burn, return, listen to yourself churn
Locking in, uniforming, book burning, blood letting
Every motive escalate. Automotive incinerate
Light a candle, light a votive, step down, step down
Watch your heel crush, crushed, uh~oh, this means no fear, cavalier
Renegade steer clear! A tournament, tournament, a tournament of lies
Offer me solutions, offer me alternatives & I decline

CHORUS ~ REPEAT

The other night I dreamt of knives
Continental drift divide
Mountains sit in a line, Leonard Bernstein
Leonid Brezhnev, Lenny Bruce & Lester Bangs
Birthday party, cheesecake, jelly bean, boom!
You symbiotic, patriotic, slam book neck
Right?
Right

CHORUS ~ REPEAT 4X
fine...fine...
(It's time I had some time alone)
FINALLY!!I GOT THE WORDS TO THAT SONG!!
THANX


-KI4BNC-

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