NEW IARU REGION 2 Monitoring System Coordinator

[wa4fki]

Hello everyone,

I am Bill Zellers, WA4FKI, newly elected as the IARU
Region 2 Monitoring Service Coordinator.

If any one hears "INTRUDERS" on "ANY" band please do two things, send the report to the ARRL Intruder Watch
at Skolaut, Chuck K0BOG E-mail Address(es): # cskolaut@arrl.org #and to me at wa4fki@nc.rr.com.

When reproting an "intruder" please report it in the following manner.

Date/Time, Frequency, type of transmission, (ie, ssb (upper or lower), or encrypted voice), language used, language used if voice, direction (if possible), if possible a short recording of the signal. Please use at least 500 khz when recording.

If anyone is intrested I can direct you to a web site that has samples of most of the transmissions used for communications including jammers, over the horizon radar.

I would like to hear from those hams who are intrested in doing monitoring that are not are already working with the ARRL Intruder Watch.

In addition I am intrested in anyone who can provide me with information to build a DF station for HF. Will communicate on the subject.

Thank you for reading this posting. Results are not immediate but if the intruders are in violation of the ITU laws, working through the political side some will be removed as they have in the past. I suggest those of you who don't know anything about the IARU is and what they do search GOOGLE for IARU Region 1, Region 2 (me) and Region 3. I am looking forward corresponding with many of you.

Please report any of the Fish Net Beacons that are on 160 meters and on 10 meters. ALSO CHECK FOLLOWING FREQUENCY FOR A INTURDER...7.008mHZ

Thanks for reading

73's

Bill Zellers
WA4FKI
IARU Region 2 MS Coordinator

[k0cba]

God love ya' for your concern and efforts but in all reality, what's the use?

[kf4fhs]

Hello Bill,

Congratulations on your newly elected position. And Thank You for your concern about the intruder problem.

I think your job will be really busy if you monitor any of the frequencies that the digital folks use.

Wait just a few minutes and you will see a Pactor robot spewing out whatever it is that they spew, over top of an exsisting QSO.

The main problem with this is that if a person does not purchase Winlink, Airmail, or whatever they're calling it now, and become one of Steve Waterman's or Jim Correnman's flunkys, then you can't even copy a callsign.

I contacted Riley Hollingsworth about the problem, and his reply to me was basically that they're not supposed to do that.

Good Luck in your endevors, but I think that bouy beacons are not as much of a problem as the Pactor folks that seem to think they are above the rules that the rest of us try to abide.

73 Bernie / KF4FHS
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[LB1UE]

An IARU 3 station using a frequency not available for transmission in IARU 1, does he apply for intrusion in Europe

Keep up the good work. Can't get enough of you people.

73 de LB1UE

[W9JAB]

:rock: Is that not the job of the F.C.C. or do thay just charge fee's now?
W9JAB
JOE

[aa1mn]

Wow!

All the scofflaws in Region 2 are shaking in their shoes now ...

[W9GRN]

Quote[/b] (wa4fki @ Aug. 17 2005,09:05)]Please report any of the Fish Net Beacons that are on 160 meters and on 10 meters. ALSO CHECK FOLLOWING FREQUENCY FOR A INTURDER...7.008 mHZ
What the heck does "inturder" mean? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Sorry, couldn't pass it up.Good luck on this... I have serious doubts about this, though.

[ke5eiy]

The F.C.C. has a DF set up for HF that you may want to look at. I do have a question, we have very strong pager signals in my area that bleed over into the upper portion of the 2 meter band and cause havoc with the repeaters. Does this qualify as an intruder? What about the CB folks that have a 10 meter tranceiver and use it? They are mobile and hard to track. Any info would be helpful.

[w3rfa]

There is a fairly simple method of HFDF called the Watson/Watt method. It uses a four or five element Adcock verticle array and a single channel receiver. The hard part is that it requres a combiner modulator that encodes the DF information on the incomming signal. A fairly simple device to build but I don't remember where to get the plans. This can be reasonably accurate (depending on local environment) and very sensitive to low level signals.

I'll look arround and see what I can find.

[kf4fhs]

Quote[/b] (aa1mn @ Aug. 23 2005,05:28)]Wow!

All the scofflaws in Region 2 are shaking in their shoes now ...
Hey Charles,

Why do you seem to want to make fun of the gentleman that is trying to do something constructive for our hobby ?

I see from your bio that you are an Extra that uses mostly 2m and 70cm,, maybe you should change the VHF/VHF in your bio to VHF/UHF :-)

I'm not sure if you ever use the lower bands, but if you do then you most certainally know the problem that he is speaking of.

I think that we all need to realise that if we can't say something construtive, then we need to bite our tounge and keep our mouths shut, so we won't look like a real idiot.

BTW: Your Mass. Maureduer insigna on your bio looks kinda CBish

73 Bernie KF4FHS
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[AB4XK]

I'm not sure either, the definition of an "Intruder", but if the frequency is being used, any interference could be considered an intruder, especially if the interference is intentional. Most people dont realize that CW is the ONLY mode allowed ANYWHERE in ANY band. Two CW stations can carry on different QSOs if they are only a couple hundred cycles apart, and not bother each other, but voice modes require way too much bandwidth to be considered efficient. Blaming Steve Waterman for his system certainly is non-productive. We should all be learning his methods and trying to put together a working emergency network that can be used in a National emergency. Certainly the time is coming when it will be needed if world conditions continue. The League has dropped the ball in putting together the proposed "Emcomm" system, but people like Steve Waterman already have it up and running. They are writing software to update the system so a computer soundcard can get you linked into the system with minimum expense. No, not everyone can afford Pactor II or III units but there are plenty of openings for VHF/UHF #links into the network. There is much work to be done, and I would be the first to propose that we establish certain frequencies to be used ONLY for that purpose and that would eliminate the complaining and bickering over "Intruders". Those "Intruders" may save some lives........ maybe yours!! Either Lead, follow, or get out of the way.

[kf4fhs]

Quote[/b] (AB4XK @ Aug. 23 2005,18:57)]I'm not sure either, the definition of an "Intruder", but if the frequency is being used, any interference could be considered an intruder, especially if the interference is intentional. Most people dont realize that CW is the ONLY mode allowed ANYWHERE in ANY band. Two CW stations can carry on different QSOs if they are only a couple hundred cycles apart, and not bother each other, but voice modes require way too much bandwidth to be considered efficient. Blaming Steve Waterman for his system certainly is non-productive. We should all be learning his methods and trying to put together a working emergency network that can be used in a National emergency. Certainly the time is coming when it will be needed if world conditions continue. The League has dropped the ball in putting together the proposed "Emcomm" system, but people like Steve Waterman already have it up and running. They are writing software to update the system so a computer soundcard can get you linked into the system with minimum expense. No, not everyone can afford Pactor II or III units but there are plenty of openings for VHF/UHF links into the network. There is much work to be done, and I would be the first to propose that we establish certain frequencies to be used ONLY for that purpose and that would eliminate the complaining and bickering over "Intruders". Those "Intruders" may save some lives........ maybe yours!! Either Lead, follow, or get out of the way.
Hello Chet,

I appreciate your desire to defend Steve Waterman, and his system.

But it leaves me just a bit puzzled as to how a proprietary system, costing several hundred dollars just for the hardware, that only a very, very miniscule portion of the Amateur community use, can be such an Earth saving device.

I do, however, agree with you about frequencies being designated for the robots to do whatever it is that they do, and not spread themselves all over the spectrum.

Your comment about learning Steve's methods is more than a bit irritating to me, especially since I contacted him asking if they could make a CW ID the default setting on Pactor I, so they would not only be legal, but if a Pactor operator hadn't updated his frequency list, he could be contacted that he was using a bad frequency. Well.. He and Jim Correnman had a pow-wow and sent me back an email where Jim said that he would not make a CW ID the default setting, because it would clutter up the bands with a bunch of CW,,imagine that, cluttering up the bands with a few cycles of CW ID. Jim also said in the same email that he didn't want to some poor slob to get nailed just because he had an outdated frequency list.

Chet, if these are the leaders that you're following, God help ya !

73, Bernie / KF4FHS

[KG2RM]

Congratulation on your new post, Bill

73 Grey KG2RM

[aa1mn]

Quote[/b] ]Why do you seem to want to make fun of the gentleman that is trying to do something constructive for our hobby ?


Wasn't necessarily making fun of anyone, at least not in any negative conotation.

I did take some time to look up the organization which he is a representative of and, unless I missed something, there doesn't seem to be any legal authority behind the group ... it seems more of a whistleblower/watchdog kind of thing which is what my post was insinuating; if I'm mistaken on that please let me know and accept my apologies beforehand. I mean, if it is the case that they're not able to legally enforce "intruders" and the like I question the post on that stance.

As for the logo on my call looking CBish I thank you very much. #I enjoy CB very much as the people on the bands there are much less judgemental than those on the amateur airwaves so I take that as a compliment.

See ya on the flip flop good buddy,

Chuck, AA1MN

[nc5s]

Quote[/b] (ke5eiy @ Aug. 23 2005,08:33)]#I do have a question, we have very strong pager signals in my area that bleed over into the upper portion of the 2 meter band and cause havoc with the repeaters. #Does this qualify as an intruder? #
Nope, it simply means that you need to use notch filters to take out the offending signal.

With todays "wide band" receivers and their limited selectivity, intermod and overloading have come to be quite a problem.

Unfortunately, none of the manufacturers, for fear of losing market share, will build a rig which covers only the ham band on receive.

[ac0lt]

KF4FHS - I agree; maybe you should heed your own advice and "bite our tounge" (sic), since you really aren't adding "something construtive" (sic)... You are looking like a real idiot...

[kf4fhs]

Quote[/b] (ni0z @ Aug. 24 2005,20:29)]KF4FHS - I agree; maybe you should heed your own advice and "bite our tounge" (sic), since you really aren't adding "something construtive" (sic)... You are looking like a real idiot...
ni0z,

After reading your reply to my posts I was sitting here wondering what made you think I sound like a real idiot.

Now I know why.

I checked out your website, and see that you are into Pactor/Airmail, and you have taken exception to the fact that I have stepped on your toes, by stating some facts about the procedures that are used by some folks on that mode.

If expressing my opinion, and being irritated by unidentified, Pactor robots that start transmitting over top of an existing QSO makes me sound like an idiot, then so be it,,, I'm an idiot.

Since I'm an idiot, can you please explain to me why that the Airmail transmitting station does not identify itself if a connect is not made, as per FCC rules ? Wanna see some screenshots ?

And also why do they not check for a clear frequency before they start transmitting ? I have screenshots of that too.

While you're explaining this to me, be sure and type real slow, since I'm a real idiot.

73, Bernie / KF4FHS
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[KF4EON]

I can hear Hispanic males talking under WWV (10.00 mHz). Glenn Hauser says they're Columbian drug lords. What can be done about that?

[N4QX]

Congratulations, Bill, on your appointment. I worked with Martin Potter, VE3OAT, when I held Chuck’s post. Probably the most interesting thing I did during my tenure at ARRL.

Trying to answer a few of the questions on this thread:

IARU operates a Monitoring System designed to document, characterize, and where possible, identify and encourage the removal of non-amateur transmissions in the amateur bands. Many IARU Member Societies have their own monitoring system. ARRL’s comprises a small but very dedicated and skilled group of volunteers.

The Monitoring System differs from the Amateur Auxiliary (the OOs appointed by the Section Managers) because it focuses on non-amateur operation on amateur bands. An “intruder” is such an operation. Examples of what are and are not intruders:

Intruders:
* Spurs or harmonics of SWBC stations or jammers.
* Misplaced shortwave broadcasts, usually due to operator error. (When I was there, American Forces Radio, due to an equipment quirk, occasionally started broadcasting on 14.000 USB. To their credit, they were usually quick to fix it.)
* Ionospheric sounders or other propagation testing equipment.
* Non-amateur transmissions on the 10 and 12 meter bands (but see below).

Not intruders:
* VOA between 7.2-7.3 MHz. (Those transmitters aren’t in R2, so they’re allowed to be there as much as we are.)
* Phone transmissions on the upper end of 30m. (Those people are hams, and some hams in R1 have phone privileges on 30m.)
* The folks under WWV at 10 MHz (not an amateur frequency).
* Any transmission, authorized or not, between 10 and 12 meters (not amateur frequencies)
* Those funny beeps you hear in the digital part of any band (it’s almost certainly a new mode, and there ain’t nothin’ wrong with new modes).

The system works best on stationary, somewhat regular transmitters. Usually, through judicious requests for help from the FCC and other national authorities, such intruders are identified and persuaded to move to an appropriate frequency. There are exceptions. When I was there, Cuba operated a jammer of Radio Marti that transmitted just as well on 18.090 MHz as it did on 6.030. Diplomatic requests for it to stop were as effective as most other diplomatic requests the United States makes to Cuba. But you don’t let the exceptions get you down. You deal with intruders one at a time, as you can.

Mobile intruders, like most of the non-amateur transmissions on 10 and 12 meters, are tougher to identify. I suspect most of the enforcement actions in this area are the results of direct observations on the ground, rather than through monitoring. That’s probably the best way it can be handled.

[kd5scf]

Quote[/b] (ni0z @ Aug. 24 2005,21:29)]KF4FHS - #I agree; maybe you should heed your own advice and "bite our tounge" (sic), since you really aren't adding "something construtive" (sic)... You are looking like a real idiot...
AMEN!

[kf4fhs]

Quote[/b] (n5cpu @ Aug. 26 2005,03:13)]Quote[/b] (ni0z @ Aug. 24 2005,21:29)]KF4FHS - I agree; maybe you should heed your own advice and "bite our tounge" (sic), since you really aren't adding "something construtive" (sic)... You are looking like a real idiot...
AMEN!
Hey Damon,

Since you are a not allowed HF privilages, you most likely don't realise the problem that I'm speaking of, so your AMEN doesn't carry too much weight.

73, Bernie

[K2TFT]

Quote[/b] (kf4fhs @ Aug. 26 2005,03:39)]Quote[/b] (n5cpu @ Aug. 26 2005,03:13)]Quote[/b] (ni0z @ Aug. 24 2005,21:29)]KF4FHS - #I agree; maybe you should heed your own advice and "bite our tounge" (sic), since you really aren't adding "something construtive" (sic)... You are looking like a real idiot...
AMEN!
Hey Damon,

Since you are a not allowed HF privilages, you most likely don't realise the problem that I'm speaking of, so your AMEN doesn't carry too much weight.

73, Bernie
I think the can company should put ALL the pactrash generators on vhf/uhf!
Good News! Riley did put the W1.. YL pactrash generator off the air that was constatly calling the west coast at noon edst (and b4 and after) on 7071...a bit stupid I'd say using 40m that time of the day to work Oregon. Her big "mistake" was using cw i.d. har har. It's in the fcc violations files a couple months back on arrl.org. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[n7dc]

Every complaint by a bonifide ham is valuable. # I was directly instrumental in removing a group of Chinese fishing boats from our bands, way back in 66 , as a Novice. #Also advised the US Ambassador of illegal American Contractor useage in Vietnam, and he removed them immediately. #I have also directly advised the state department, and other govenrment agencies of their own illegal use of our bands and, the intefering stations were removed. I also have directly contacted the FCC in a number of instances, so they could immediately DF interfering transmission and inform foreign governments #so they could take action against those stations. # Yes, we CAN be pro-active in the defence of our bands, land we should be.

[AB4XK]

QUOTE BY K2TFT:

I think the can company should put ALL the pactrash generators on vhf/uhf!
Good News! Riley did put the W1.. YL pactrash generator off the air that was constatly calling the west coast at noon edst (and b4 and after) on 7071...a bit stupid I'd say using 40m that time of the day to work Oregon. Her big "mistake" was using cw i.d. har har. It's in the fcc violations files a couple months back on arrl.org.

No, Riley did not put her off the air. He did send her a notice of violation, which was doing his job, but the guy who complained was using PSK 31, which can hardly be heard except by computer, and he was in the known operation area of Digital Pactor Stations. He should expect to get trampled and has no reason for complaint. Marcia was doing Public service work and the PSK 31 op was interfering with her operation. No doubt she listened before transmitting. She is one heck of a good operator and abides by the rules. Only recently did she handle some Priority traffic coming out of Florida. This is about ten thousand times more important than the general QSOs on the bands. Forty meters in the day time? Why not? If the propagation is correct, that is the frequency to use. I have worked California on 80 meters, but not nearly as often as 20 meters. Yes, there needs to be some frequency assignments to prevent others, especially during contests, from interfering with the National Traffic System, and the up and coming Emcomms and Winlink 2000.
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[K2TFT]

Quote[/b] (n7dc @ Aug. 27 2005,17:04)]Every complaint by a bonifide ham is valuable. # I was directly instrumental in removing a group of Chinese fishing boats from our bands, way back in 66 , as a Novice. #Also advised the US Ambassador of illegal American Contractor useage in Vietnam, and he removed them immediately. #I have also directly advised the state department, and other govenrment agencies of their own illegal use of our bands and, the intefering stations were removed. I also have directly contacted the FCC in a number of instances, so they could immediately DF interfering transmission and inform foreign governments #so they could take action against those stations. # Yes, we CAN be pro-active in the defence of our bands, land we should be.
I am one of 20 or 30 who complained. We sent him snapshots, etc and his boys took a listen and I am sorry I said "put her off the air" but she aint on 7071 anymore! The only ones left there are the "smart" lids who don't I.D. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[K2TFT]

Don't know how that happened but the reply was for AB4XK

[WB2GOF]

Look @ this! A new IARU monitor is appointed, and we all cannot simply welcome him without picking each other apart on various nitpicky issues. Sheesh! What a bunch we Hams make....

[ab8ma]

Quote[/b] (WB2GOF @ Aug. 28 2005,12:37)]Look @ this! #A new IARU monitor is appointed, and we all cannot simply welcome him without picking each other apart on various nitpicky issues. #Sheesh! #What a bunch we Hams make....
Kids will be kids.

[kf4fhs]

Quote[/b] (kf4fhs @ Aug. 24 2005,21:36)]Quote[/b] (ni0z @ Aug. 24 2005,20:29)]KF4FHS - I agree; maybe you should heed your own advice and "bite our tounge" (sic), since you really aren't adding "something construtive" (sic)... You are looking like a real idiot...
ni0z,

After reading your reply to my posts I was sitting here wondering what made you think I sound like a real idiot.

Now I know why.

I checked out your website, and see that you are into Pactor/Airmail, and you have taken exception to the fact that I have stepped on your toes, by stating some facts about the procedures that are used by some folks on that mode.

If expressing my opinion, and being irritated by unidentified, Pactor robots that start transmitting over top of an existing QSO makes me sound like an idiot, then so be it,,, I'm an idiot.

Since I'm an idiot, can you please explain to me why that the Airmail transmitting station does not identify itself if a connect is not made, as per FCC rules ? Wanna see some screenshots ?

And also why do they not check for a clear frequency before they start transmitting ? I have screenshots of that too.

While you're explaining this to me, be sure and type real slow, since I'm a real idiot.

73, Bernie / KF4FHS
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ni0z,

I noticed that you were real quick to voice your opinion about me, but you haven't been so quick in answering the two simple questions that I posed to you. Hmmm.

73, Bernie / KF4FHS
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[K2TFT]

Too busy trying to figure out how to remove his cw i.d. from the pactrash generator moesheen!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[kf4fhs]

Quote[/b] (K2TFT @ Sep. 01 2005,14:58)]Too busy trying to figure out how to remove his cw i.d. from the pactrash generator moesheen!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Hey Rich,

Most of the time I try to keep it on somewhat of a serious level, But I gotta admit, when I read your post, I almost fell out of my chair laughing. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

73, Bernie
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