STILL TIME TO UPGRADE

[N3BIF]

okay so a month ago I decided if I am ever going to hope to pass the extra exam now may well be the best time , before 6/30/02 new tests, well enough about me other than to say I have zero technical training , zero electronical (yeah I made that word up) training and I have never worked in either field but #last night I, well as I said enough about me. # #The real heroes are qrz.com, eham.net ,aa9pw,and gordon west. # Without the help from these sources , all of it free by the way except for West's book( which radio shack is discounting now to get rid of them to make way for the new).
# # # # I would suggest that anyone with the desire still has lots of time to study for and nail this test. I first took a practice test (offered by qrz,eham and aa9pw) and did a whopping 25 % #correct, I realized the West book may be a good investment and it was. so between the book , which I read three times, and the tests , I took about 35 times , I was averaging about 82 % which some one once said if you can do that , well enough about me, any how I do wish to offer to others a valid path to success .
# As a note all testing sites use actual questions from the pool presented in their own unique ways none is better than the other they are all good they just do things a little different and each has its stellar virtues that make the various applications for different needs. #
# # # # # #For those still wondering how I did,.... oh yeah this is not about me !!!!!!
# # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # #Thanks again # QRZ, EHAM, AA9PW and West

[NN6EE]

Ah Yes,

Nowadays getting your EXTRA does'nt involve anything having to do with a learning curve, BECAUSE THERE'S NO LEARNING THAT HAS TO BE DONE, just memorization!!!

Nobody has a problem with anyone else going for his or her EXTRA, but I for one WON'T!!! At least everyone knows that anybody who got their ADVANCED like I did, got it the HONEST WAY: 1. 13WPM #2. You had to KNOW THE MATERIAL you were being tested on, NOT MEMORIZATION!!!

Besides, most of the NEW EXTRAS I know don't spend much time in their exclusive 25khz. lower band edges, they're mainly in THE NOVICE BANDS working guys, trying to hone their CW skills above 5WPM, that's kinda embarrassing for a guy who's got the supposed "TOP TICKET", BIG DEAL in my estimation!!!

And if anybody thinks that because they have a EXTRA that they have the EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS to work DX, WRONG AGAIN!!! Gee, I've got 200+ countries now, phone and CW, worked all of them in either the General or ADVANCED PORTIONS of the bands!!! Most DX-Peditions know it's stupid to stay in the EXTRA parts of the bands, why? Because it would limit their QSO totals drastically would'nt it?

NO EXTRA NEEDED!!! # # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #es 73,

nn6ee

[KD7KOY]

mmmm...last I heard, the FCC only required an "honest" 5 WPM..which for me is good...because...I HATE CW!!!!..
whewww!!..feel better already...
Anyway, I'd like to stay and chat but I have to go back to memorize the questions for my Extra exam. Ta...
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[N5GZI]

Davn3bif

Good for you! Go on with your STUDYING of the Extra question pool and ignore nn6ee, he is obviously an old sorehead, bent on keeping new folks out. I have known Hams like him for 30 years and he wants it all to himself and his buddies. Unfortunately most of the old soreheads I knew are DEAD. They can't oppose new hams anymore. Upgrade and show him we will carry on! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

TTFN

N5GZI

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif I personaly would not even consider trading my integrity for 25 kcs ( kHz? ) on one or two bands! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

73 de Craig......KCØGOA

[ke5wj]

N3BIF,

Go for it, my friend, and good luck. Don't worry about the gripers - there some of them in every group. [I think NN6EE said that to see what reaction he gets. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif ]

I took most of my exams before the FCC - and the Advanced was hard - harder than the Extra, in my opinion. I also learned to program computers using assembly language only. I also took engineering final exams when calculators were forbidden. I also got an internet server set up, when I had to program the thing myself.

So what?

Study hard, do great and learn a lot. Follow the rules and have a great time in ham radio. And if NN6EE doesn't want you practicing slow speed CW on the air, just move on up to the Extra portion and I'll slow down for you - no problem.

Good luck and 73,

[NN6EE]

N5GZI,

Boy OH Boy are'nt you IGNORANT!!!

Hey KNUCKLEHEAD, I did'nt say there was anything WRONG with one getting their EXTRA, you as usual did'nt comprehend nor understand my post!!!

I SAID, I, meaning I, DID'NT SEE THE NECESSITY OF PROCURING AN EXTRA!!! You are obviously one of the FLORIDA-DUH VOTERS!!! And eventhough you don't live in Florida you've got the same dumb mind-set!!!

WHO NEEDS THE DUMBED-DOWN EXTRA, at least I earned my ticket!!! # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

No wonder the hobby is in the fix it's in right now, because of individuals like yourself who have the tendency to go off half-cocked at the drop of a hat or "I DON'T LIKE WHAT THAT GUY IS SAYING!!!"

PS, You guys better carry on, or else you'll have NOTHING!!! You may not like us older guys, but we're the ones who fought for what we have now!!!

POO POO on you,

nn6ee

[N8YV]

I can't believe I am about to say this, but....for once, I actually agree with part of NN6EE's viewpoint. Yes, it is VERY true that the only class of license that can attest to an operator's CW proficiency, is the advanced-class.

Without the need to ask, the advanced license automatically means that the holder passed his/her 13-wpm code proficiency test. NO other class of license carries this understanding right up-front.

Please remember, though that CW is nothing more than MEMORIZATION!! Repetitive, continuous memorizing of substitute sounds for letters and words, that's all...so when it REALLY comes down to it, CW is the ULTIMATE memorization test! Therefore, your "earning" your advanced was based more than 50% on MEMORIZATION!

You, like all licensees, had to MEMORIZE other answers to the test, too---frequency limits, band allocations, FCC rules, even Ohm's Law---so don't say you didn't pass your advanced exam by memorizing answers! It's just not possible to have done that, sir!

Now that I've made THOSE points, let me please say something else about this "hurry up and pass before it gets too hard" thread. Once again, I find in favor of NN6EE's opinion that he doesn't need an extra class upgrade.

For the reasons stated earlier, the advanced class is now the the "elite" license to hold, provided that one places the greatest importance of its merits on CW proficiency. Those that feel somehow superior to others because they can key CW faster, should NEVER consider disposing of their greatest "merit badge" in favor of a new Extra ticket. It's obvious that NN6EE is happy and very proud of his license. He should be, because it isn't available anymore!

[n7wsb]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KD7KOY @ April 16 2002,12:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">mmmm...last I heard, the FCC only required an &quot;honest&quot; 5 WPM..[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I didn't think it was quite 5 wpm - I was able to copy and send at 5 wpm just fine, but I didn't pass the test http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif - its actually 13 wpm with 5 wpm spacing (plus I was pretty nervous)

13 wpm is kinda hard too - because it makes you remove that lookup table in your mind and memorize characters purely based on sound.

[N5GZI]

nn6ee

I am not the one who misunderstood the meaning of your post. I understand EXACTLY what you are saying. You are not willing to own up to the real meaning of what you said. I am not ignorant or a knucklehead.

You, like some others here on QRZ (and elsewhere) are trying your best to discount the achievements of the newer hams by belittling their aquired skills needed to pass the CURRENT test. No one can disagree that the testing has been relaxed, but you, I, #and everyone else will have to either live with it or change it. Stop bellowing about it.

What is it, I wonder, that makes you so bitter? That is the point I made in my post, can you explain that? No wait, I do not want to hear about it, really.

I did not go off half cocked and I don't like what your are saying. It is neither constructive or a form of debate, just ranting and raving, trying to make others feel bad or second class. We don't need that.

Be proud of your Advanced Class license and encourage others to rise to your level.

And please take a muscle relaxant and go lie down.

N5GZI

[KD7KOY]

N7WSB...I learned CW with the ARRL CD's..The concept is you don't learn by memorizing the &quot;dit&quot; &quot;dah&quot;. You learn by the &quot;sound&quot; of the letter. I found it quite easy to do. I learned one letter a day. In a month I passed the test. Matter of fact, even though the CD is for the 5WPM test, I found that I could send and receive much faster than that. Excellent study course IMHO.
By the way..I don't &quot;memorize&quot; for tests. I just like to irk the ones with ego. It's the little things in life that make it worth living..: )

[NN6EE]

Dearst Michael, (N5GZI)

Chatting with a person like yourself probably does take a couple of MUSCLE-RELAXANTS to communicate intelligently with!!! Say, if you've got a couple of OXY-COTIN TABLETS around the shack mail'em to me and we'll carry on, OK??? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif es 73,

Jim/nn6ee

[N5GZI]

nn6ee

Jim,

Funny answer, no one else seems to needs drugs to carry on a conversation with me.....

The original post was, and correct me if I'm wrong, a little story about a person wanting and trying to get an Extra Class license. Mixed into that was a notice about the time frame for the current question pool. Nothing too controversial, at least I didn't think so at the time.

Then enters nn6ee, voicing his opinion about how bad things are with the Extra Class license today and also a shot at anyone who wants one. Your opinion about yourself was certainly OK, but why take a shot at everybody else?

If you feel that your class of license is OK for you, great, good to hear it and your reasons were certainly valid. It's not what you said about yourself and your feelings for your Advanced license I take aim at, it dishing anyone (or everyone) else.

Are you saying that inorder to be an Extra Class License holder, one has to be an expert at everything tested on? That will be news to them!(Holder of said license, long time and late qualifier)

QRZ, like all media, needs a little excitement to draw a crowd, and I guess thats why they let folks openly flame people on here. As long as it doesn't get to the point of death threats, etc., it helps the cause.

You are now, and were at the time, OUT OF BOUNDS by flaming people for their ideas about the Extra Class license (even though you said nobody has a problem with it, yet the negative comments kept coming) and anything else they disagree with you on.

You are wrong to call people names and try to bully them into your way of thinking.

I would hope that the moderators of QRZ would step up sometime and call you and people like you on that cause, but like I said, it has to get WAY out of hand before that happens.

N5GZI

[nocoder]

I am and always will be a NO CODE TECH !!! Why would I want to
upgrade and go into HF just to hear an S.-B. like NN6EE tell me my
efforts don't mean anything. It is jerks like him that will be responsible
for people leaving the hobby just like people have abandon the repeaters
where he operates.

Instead of being so negative about how newcomers get there ticket why
can't you support them and help them improve.
I would bet that Mr NN6EE could not pass the extra examine and keeping
his advanced is just an excuse.

The only reason he can do CW so well is because he can't speak very well
and that was the only way to overcome his handycap. #I think we should
require people to learn Packet mode before they can get a ticket,
that would be just as dumb as having to learn CW.

Always a NOCODER

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif Nocoder........

Newcomers have been learning code for nearly a century. Now the lazy and incompetent want all for nothing. Lazy being the key word. That is why you will always be a no code tech. Frankly, if the lazy, illequiped louts who can't play the game because we keep score and your self esteeme can't take it, leave the hobby.........all the better for the hobby. Neither Ham radio or society as a hole needs the &quot;gene pool&quot; poluted with their kind.

--... ...-- -.. . -.- -.-. ----- --. --- .-

I have a ham friend who says &quot;I won't get my extra because I like it when the Old Extras tell me to slow down on CW!

Oh well, I'm taking mine tomorrow. Guess I'll just have to be a &quot;LOW CODE AMATEUR EXTRA&quot;. Sorry to &quot;muck up&quot; the airwaves! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[NN6EE]

As always N5GZI your at the left/negative end of the BELL-LEARNING Curve so I really don't expect anything approaching LOGIC OUT OF YOU!!!

GOD BLESS YOU TINY-TIM!!!

OH, and it would be nice if you could try to get your miniscule mind to try and follow what I was trying to convey!!!

BUT ALAS, YOU COULD NOT DO THAT!!!

As always Boys, it's up.up and and onwards to bigger and better things!!!

OH, OH, THE HORROR OF IT ALL!!! Mr. JOSEPH CONRAD said that in the &quot;HEART OF DARKNESS&quot;, a novel but I don't think you could actually comprehend THAT!!!

You can be as ######EDLY AS YOU WANT TO BE BUT YOU CAN'T ESCAPE THE FACT THAT YOUR NOT WILLING TO PUT OUT THE EXTRA EFFORT, BECAUSE THE FCC has DUMBED IT DOWN FOR YOU!!! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

Really, I don't give a Rat's PUTTUDY what you say, COMING FROM YOURSELF IT MEANS ABSOLUTLEY SQUAT!!!

#http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif #

nn6ee

[kc0kvu]

So why be arrogant and pompous about how hard you worked to get your ticket? If the code test was 15wpm then I, along with every other person who wished to upgrade, would learn it at 15wpm- BUT ITS NOT!!! We complete what is required of us and make no apologies for the FCC's degradation of requirements. The value should be the integrity of one's operating practice, not the method of passing the test or how fast they INITIALLY learned code. Your next cw qso could come from someone who started at 5wpm and worked their way up to 20.
Its people like KE5WJ who lend their time and talents to help other hams, and ham prospectives, improve their skills, making amateur radio accessable and enjoyable for everyone. THEY deserve more distinction than those old-timers, and not-so-old-timers for that matter, who complain and refuse to help.
I've run out of pennies, so there's my 2cents....back to my code practice

Adam
KCØKVU

[n7wsb]

I don't get why everyone is so upset - the cw test is still 13 wpm. They say 5wpm, but its just 5wpm spacing. It might as well be 13 wpm - its still pretty quick for someone to go from zero to 13 - it might have been easier for instance to do 10 or 11.

[NN6EE]

Remember LOWER ACHIEVER TYPES!!! Right now you're at the BOTTOM OF THE FEEDING CHAIN, BUT WHEN ALL OF US OLD FARTS ARE GONE, which I might add some of us older guys WILL OUTLAST YOU YOUNGER GUYS, so don't count US OUT YET BOYZ, you'll be the guys who'll be chastising the NEWBIES, in later years, for having everything handed to them on A SILVER-PLATTER!!!

You NEWBIES ARE'NT GOING TO BE ANY BETTER THAN WE WERE!!! If you think differently then maybe it's time to buy a good gun and BLOW YOU BRAINS OUT!!!

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

JIM/nn6ee

[ab8lq]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kc0goa @ April 19 2002,15:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Newcomers have been learning code for nearly a century. Now the lazy and incompetent want all for nothing. Lazy being the key word. That is why you will always be a no code tech. Frankly, if the lazy, illequiped louts who can't play the game because we keep score and your self esteeme can't take it, leave the hobby.........all the better for the hobby. Neither Ham radio or society as a hole needs the &quot;gene pool&quot; poluted with their kind.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Up until now I've been opposed to removing the requirment for code from testing for the general class license. But people like this may make me rethink my position.

I don't care how long people have been learning code. That makes no difference to me, and should mean almost nothing. (The *only* reason I continue to support code testing is because I believe it still has its place is some emergency situations.)

I don't care how hard you worked to get whatever license you have, you don't have any right to ridicule someone for their efforts. I didn't ask for the licensing system to be changed -- heck I didn't even *think* about getting an AR license for twenty or so years. And I wouldn't have bothered *regardless* of how easy it was if a friend hadn't encouraged me. Conversely, I might well have gone ahead and gotten my license regardess of the difficulty had my friend continued to encourage me.

If I had had the kind of &quot;encouragement&quot; you give people, I'd have stayed out of AR entirely. And I doubt anyone would call me lazy -- I work for a large company, have a small business on the side, and I went from no license to extra in six weeks. You may not like it, but I played the game the was put before me, and I succeeded.

Nocode, there are lots of good people out there. It's too bad you see so many of the other sort in here.

Sean.
www.qsl.net/ab8lq

[AB9DF]

I have heard on more than one occasion about the test being easier than before. I for one think nothing of it. If you really think about it, it is like getting a degree. When you graduate from college you earn a degree. However, you really dont know that much ( at least less than you think ). Only thru practical application of your learning does one gain expert status. It is the same in radio. It doesnt matter what license you get. Until you jump in and start applying, nothing really matters. The bottom line in my opinion is that what makes this hobby so facinating, is the never ending learning that takes place. To get caught up on the licencing procedures or mechanics of getting a licence seems to dilute the real exciting aspects of amatuer radio. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[KG4RYT]

WHY DON'T YOU GUYS JUST GET REAL ANGRY OVER NOTHING
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WHO CARES
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IT IS NOT WORTH IT ALL, DON'T FORGET THIS IS A HOBBY
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HOBBIES ARE #SURPOSE TO BE FUN
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[NN6EE]

Dear UNIT33,

Well guys like GZI and WSB can't quite comprehend what people are trying to tell them!!!

They seem to take EVERYTHING in a negative manner and a personal threat to them!!! That's sad, but OH WELL!!!

For the UMPTEENTH TIME boyz I LOVE THIS HOBBY and I want to see more people interested in it, and by the way boyz I've tried to do my part once in awhile, as I've ELMERED 5 individuals into HAM RADIO and they in turn have helped to ELMER others!!! So if everyone does their part the hopefully endless cycle of recruiting NEWBIES WILL CONTINUE!!!

SO TO YOU CERTAIN BOYZ I'M one OL'BOY who is not as selfish AS YOU THINK!!! # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

PS, I just gave away a 2m. radio FREE to a young ham back east, we even shipped it out prepaid for the guy!!!

You who are Detractors of nn6ee can kiss my you know what!!!

nn6ee/JIM

[KA4DPO]

NN6EE's response reminds me of an article I read in QST about a guy who used to sign with &quot; this is

W6XYZ no LIDS no KIDS no Space Cadets&quot;. A real Ham.........

Well, gotta go work some 70 wpm CW while I eat a sandwich and carry on a conversation
at the same time. 73, KA4DPO

[NN6EE]

APPARENTLY DPO,

YOU'RE TOO WRAPPED UP IN YOURSELF TO BE OF ANY VALUE TO ANYONE ELSE!!!

You are the &quot;TRUE&quot; Loser!!! SHAME ON YOU AND ALL YOUR ILK!!!

nn6ee

[K9DON]

What is a NN6EE ?
# Why does W6IBD sign his post with nn6ee, sense this is not a call in qrz...
# Is W6IBD Donald Moore #nn6ee ?
Whats the deal ?
73, Don in Indy............k9don

Well I look up nn6ee again, and this time it came up and
show w6ibd .The other day it was not there,and qrz show w6ibd to belong to a Donald Moore, but now refers to nn6ee...Man I guest I must have made a mistake some where....
So I WONDER WHY James you would give up a W call
for a 2 by 2 call ? I can only think you might do that just to show you have a advance lic.

Well cul 73, k9don ex-wd9gwp

[NN6EE]

Well thank you for inquiring OB!!!

First off I got W6IBD in Jul. of 1996 as it was my Uncle's original call back in 1933!!! I did it because I could, plain and simple!!! I use the IBD identifier out here because I'm too damn lazy to change it right now, and besides IT'S PERFECTLY LEGIT and there's nothing anybody can say about it either, including R. Hollingsworth nor you!!!

I got NN6EE in Jul of 2001, again because I chose too, my Uncle's last call was W6EE, NOW ARE YOU GETTING THE PICTURE?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif What's anybody going to do about that??? Report me to RILEY??? Go ahead!!! He'd give you a good laugh about that would'nt he!!! #Look, I've told many other people who've asked the same dumb question that you have, I DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ANY ALLEGIENCE TO ANY, I REPEAT ANY CALL, IF I CARE NOT TOO!!!

The call I've have now is ETCHED IN STONE!!!

As far as my earlier call is concerned nobody else has it yet anyway!!! Better check whatever Data-base you use because it's WRONG!!!

Gee, I hope I've satisfied your CURIOSITY OB!!!


http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif #es 3s

Jim/nn6ee

[n7wsb]

Whee - what did I do to you this time? Honestly - I want to know.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w6ibd @ April 23 2002,13<!--emo&amp;:0)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well guys like GZI and WSB can't quite comprehend what people are trying to tell them!!![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

[ad5io]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w6ibd @ April 16 2002,21:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">WHO NEEDS THE DUMBED-DOWN EXTRA, at least I earned my ticket!!! # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif


nn6ee[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Jim I was wondering why didn't you go for your extra when the requirements were a 20 wpm code test then you could have really been a king stud.

David
AD5IO

[W3GEO]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (w6ibd @ April 15 2002,13<!--emo&amp;:0)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Nobody has a problem with anyone else going for his or her EXTRA, but I for one WON'T!!! At least everyone knows that anybody who got their ADVANCED like I did, got it the HONEST WAY: 1. 13WPM #2. You had to KNOW THE MATERIAL you were being tested on, NOT MEMORIZATION!!![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>


For a long time I felt the same way you do. As an Advanced who took the test in 1969 before the FCC examiner at the Philadelphia field office, my thought process after the license restructuring was: 'Hey... I have the only license that proves I passed a code test higher than 5 WPM'. #I never took the Extra because of bad feelings generated by the incentive licensing situation in the late 60s and the politics and power grabs that brought it about.

All this being said, I finally came to the conclusion that my attitude was silly and inflexible.

This past weekend I went to a VE session and passed the Extra with an almost perfect score. (misplaced a decimal point on a Q value calculation) I guess the questions and answers (all 600 of them) could be memorized without knowing the underlying theory, or that word association could be used as key indicators of correct answers, but it would take almost as much effort as actually learning the material.

After almost 38 years of being a ham, I was really not too surprised that other than some regulations I needed to study, I knew most of the other stuff on the exam pretty well.

Your attitude is understandable to me but I will make a prediction.... Even if you do not choose to upgrade there will most likely come a time when the Advanced license will be grandfathered to Extra.

It has been recognized that the Advanced written exam was the most technically difficult exam and there was a somewhat high speed code test to pass. This will most likely happen in the way Technicians licensed before 1987 were grandfathered to General.

If and when you take the Extra you will know that you did not memorize the answers and that you know the theory. Don't worry about others who take what you might think is an &quot;easier&quot; path.

73
George
W3GEO

Hmm. Whoever NN6EE is, perhaps he just had a bad day.
I'm an Extra and he doesn't know, nor should it matter to him why I continued to upgrade.
My Extra class doesn't make me a bad operator just the same as the tech who stays on 2 meters all his life and his &quot;station&quot; consists of 4 handhelds.
BTW- I passed the 20wpm test for my Extra. But I'm no better than any other operator, Mr. NN6EE.
Tony KØWQ (my real call sign)

[WA6CAW]

Hey, I’ve got a new idea…..

I have a new system for licensing. The latest code sending method is digital. Instead of dots and dashes, its now 1’s and 0’s. Sent at 312 baud, its tricky to copy, but it is the way of the future.

Now the new class license will be for those that can copy 312, and maybe move on to 1200 baud, you can get a SUPER class license, and 1200 baud gives you a SUPER EXTRA class license.

Well, what do you think?

Digital code is now operating closed loop in my lab here at work, and orthogonal frequency division multiple access is on the testing table. (along with my anti-gravity generator)

I think this is fun…..

Lou, WA6CAW

[KG4RYT]

KIND OF FUNNY READING THE REPLIES, #LIKE, DIDN'T EARN IT ,DUMB DOWN EXTRA,I DID IT THE HONEST WAY http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
DO THEY NOW GIVE OUT LICENSE FOR FREE AND WITH OUT TEST http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
IF YOU FOLLOW THE RULES, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY ARE YOU EARN YOUR TICKET http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif
THINK ABOUT ANY SPORT LIKE #COLLEGE BASKETBALL.THEY DIDN'T ALLOW THREE POINT SHOTS YEARS AGO AND MANY SHOTS MADE THEN WOULD HAVE CHANGE THE OUT COME OF THE GAME WITH TODAYS RULES . WE CAN'T GO BACK
IF WE JUST COULD GO BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
AND IF WE DID HAM RADIO WOULD DIE LIKE A OLD DOG http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif
WE NEED THE NEW BLOOD, REGARDLESS OF CLASS OF LICENSE http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
TAKE MYSELF FOR EXAMPLE ALL I WANTED IN HAM RADIO #WAS TO BE ABLE TO TALK ON TWO METERS AND 70 CM AND MAYBE ONE DAY SIX METERS. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
WHAT DID I NEED TO DO THIS, A TECH AND THATS ALL http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
I HOPE HAM RADIO IS MORE THAN WHAT LEVEL OF LICENSE YOU HAVE #AND WHAT CLUB YOU ARE A MEMBER OF AND WHAT TYPE OF RADIO YOU HAVE http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
NOT PUTTING DOWN ANYONE FOR GOING ALL THE WAY IF THEY WISH TOO .THAT SHOULD BE A PERSONAL GOAL http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
LET US JUST REMEMBER WHY WE GOT INTO THE HOBBY TO BEGIN WITH http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif