Operating Proceedure

[wa0kzl]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif I have been hearing the increasing use of a calling station simply inserting his call and expecting (me- I guess) to answer him ...... SORRY FELLA(s), IT JUST ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN !!!!!!!

# #If you want someone (especially me) to answer your tail-ended call, YOU HAD BETTER LEARN THAT YOU USE MY CALL SIGN, FOLLOWED BY "DE" AND THEN YOUR CALL..... at least for the initial call.... We can go on from there....

# # PROPER PROCEEDURE is just a good operating habits !!!

Good Luck !!
de WA0KZL

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif WAØKZL de KCØGOA-...- -...- What the heck are you talking about? -.- http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[Phineas]

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SOMETIMES WE HOLD CLOSE TO THE LETTER OF THE LAW AND OVER LOOK #THE LAW, IT'S ABOUT PEOPLE
JUST TALKING TO ONE ANOTHER. IF I HEAR A FRIEND OF MINE GIVE HIS CALL ONLY,AND I WISH TO TALK WITH HIM I WILL DO IT.
I BELIEVE THERE ARE JUST TO MANY SNOBS IN HAM RADIO.
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[KB1GYQ]

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[KD5KUF]

Some of us are taught that it is polite to announce your presence when you can't be seen. Such as knocking on someones door before entering. Common courtesy.

If I don't hear someone within a reasonable wait after QSY, or if I hear some friends ragchewing, I and most of them take it as a sign of courtesy to let them know I am there and listening. I say hi and then if I don't have a contribution to make at that time, tell them that I will be listening and will jump in if I have something to add. Just being neighborly, and this is how the friendly hams I know operate. No one is compelled to acknowledge a call sign thrown into a quiet channel but what is being hurt by being polite and chatting a minute or two.

Being uptight about a particular interpretation of the procedure and snubbing someone because he or she didn't do it your way says more about the non answering station than the calling one. Lighten up and maybe you'll enjoy it more. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[W0BKR]

I would be more then glad to have someone "pop" in an join the round table. Saying something like "This is W0XYZ", is totally acceptable. Afterall, he did ID, and perhaps he missed my/our calls. He might be looking for some help, etc. Some stations slur their calls so bad, I can't understand what they said and all I got was W4 question mark. Well, that isn't anyones call but I am acknowledging them. What's the difference ?
As the old commercial goes from way back a few years "Where's the beef ?"
I dont' see any here.

73
Chris

[NN6EE]

Dear KZL,

I'd say you have a phony-baloney gripe!!! A good example of that would be trying to work a rare DX station in a pile-up, everybody including the DX station only expects to hear a CALL given, and sometimes only the LAST TWO LETTERS OF HIS SUFFIX, it's short, it's sweet and it's perfectly LEGIT!!! If the guy went into a damn monologue identifying himself, Christ, he'd never work anybody!!! The practice is also used domestically as you know, and even after almost 40yrs I don't see anything wrong with it AT ALL!!!

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif es 73,

nn6ee

[ke5wj]

You are free to impose your personal rules on people calling you, but the FCC only requires one to ID with their own call. I call it a waste of air time, since most of the time it is unneccesary. I usually give the other person's call once during a QSO and again at the end - mainly to make sure I copied it right.

If you call me with <my call> "DE" <your call>, I'll probably be working someone else by then, but that's up to you.

Take care, 73,

[k7unz]

Hey......hold on guys, he has a valid point and I believe most of you do as well. #The thing is, I believe WA0KZL was talking of procedures concerning calling/answering a "CQ". #The format he cited has been around longer than my 42 years in ham radio, and IS the correct proceedure, even in military communications. #However, times change, and while this was a necessary procedure in the days of crystal controlled transmitters, most stations these days are capable of an accurate, stable zero-beat when replying to a caller. You "generally" don't have to wonder if the guy is calling you these days, but that's not always true either. #I've noticed that DX-peditions are simply indicating "UP" (at least in the CW segments of the bands) instead of U2, U5, or whatever. (Another short cut, I mean, I don't HAVE to tell them where I'm listening, do I?) #The result is a total mess, with stations calling as much as 10-15 KHz away from the DX freq.and everywhere in between. #This really raises hell with a band such as 30 meters, where the useable portion is only 15-20 khz to begin with. #If you happen to fire up somewhere between the DX and the top of the pack, you have people shooting out call signs all over the place, and # NONE are answering your CQ. Procedures were developed to clarify the communications process. #And while they may not always be necessary, you can't fault someone who uses them correctly. #As for me, I do it both ways, depending on the situation....and if there is any doubt in my mind, I drop the shortcuts. #If nothing else, it makes it easier on the guy I'm calling. #So I say to WA0KZL, press on my man! #As with everything else in the world these days, the shortcuts are more appealing, but you're never wrong for doing it right!
73 de K7UNZ

[K7PIG]

The FCC issued callsign is not: the last 2 letters of the callsign. Just saying the last 2 letters is not correct. Your call is:XX0XXX, not XX.

[W5ATX]

this almost-28 year ham is going to agree with the majority on this one. Yes, the calling procedures talked about are correct. But it's not written in stone. And a short call is better than a long dragged out one.

If answering a CQ, then yes, a "yourcall de mycall" at least 1x1 is a good idea. But I recall the gripes always being guys calling CQ forever, then the answering station calling 5x5, etc. In the days of crystal control and having to tune the band looking for replies, it was different. It's not that way anymore.

I don't know that I'd call KZL a snob, but you do sound a bit inflexible. Hey, I'm sure there are plenty of stations who will call you as you wish to be called. And that's good. But you may well be depriving yourself of a good QSO or two by sticking to "your requirements." What the heck is the difference? It kind of sounds like you're saying "you will address me as I demand or I will not deem you worthy of contact."

I dunno, I was never in the military, but I operated commercial CW for a bit, and in those situations, protocol is necessary. This is HAM radio folks. A little flexibility can be a good thing. I guess that's my big point. Be flexible, it might pay off for you. Just obey Part 97 in the process!

73,

Chris

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