Terrorism

[gw4rcm]

Terrorism has been around for centuries, in various countries, now, it seems, it is a world wide threat to civilization. My earliest knowledge of terrorism, which has been documented, here on Qrz, was of my Dad telling me, of his friends being blown away in the king David hotel by Jewish terrorists. And the subsequent torture and murder of three soldiers from his regiment,by the very same people he had liberated from the Nazi death camps of Germany.

That apart we gave in to that terrorism from the mass influx of Jews, who decided to call themselves Israelis,and all is well in the world. NOT.

We now find that, The Muslim world are not happy.

Lets recap

1945 Palestine, a country of nomadic Arab populace, plus a hard core of Arab people , living peacfully with the local Jews.

FF to 1947
The Jewish people of Europe,released from camps suddenly decide they are not German /Polish/ Check/or what ever, they now want to be Israelis.

So with influence from the British Government , and Billions of dollars of American aid, we have a new country called Israel.

Now excuse me if I'm wrong , we are talking Middle Eastern terrotiry (sp) here, why do the Israeli #spokesmen, look decidedly Western white, while the Palestinians are Arab looking olive skinned.

Another abstract Question. Why did Hitler target the Jews and #Gypsies?

In my lifetime we've had terrorism in Cyprus, Aden, Kenya,Malaya, Borneo, # , not to forget the IRA,who had an active bombing campaign on the British mainland Cities.

How many of you "Irish Americans" Put your dollar in the bucket to sustain an Irish life . Only to find out that the dollar went to buy an AK47 or the bullets to kill a British soldier.

That money given,may have payed for the bombs that blew those Pubs in Birmingham or Manchester.

Can terrorism be defeated #if we all are terrorists.
apolizing for mistakes in advance

RCM

[w4rot]

Probably not while I walk the planet.
But maybe the kids,the grandkids or the great grandkids can figure a resolve.
I can only hope and wish, for I will be long gone and leave a small mark.
We could at least give them hope and let them decide whether or not its worth it.
Apoligy Accepted,
w4rot

[WB2WIK]

John F. Kennedy said, "As long as someone is willing to give his life for mine..." (I cannot be assured that I'm safe). He was correct. Somebody gave his life for JFK's and we lost a great man.

Terrorists are scared infants in men's and women's bodies; many are brainwashed by religious belief and probably really believe they're going on to a "great reward" when they die.

As long as they believe this nonsense, we'll never rid the world of terrorism.

As soon as people realize that when you're dead, you're dead -- and when you've been dead 100 years, you've just started being dead -- that will be a great step towards relieving the world of this craziness.

[K8YS]

RCM... check agn dude, it was an UN mandate, and an abstact question for you... Have you always been a racist?

[N6WK]

Quote[/b] (K8YS @ July 21 2005,03:48)]RCM... check agn dude, it was an UN mandate, and an abstact question for you... Have you always been a racist?
And the UN in 1947 was Who??? I think it was pretty much The British and the USA. We pretty much got whatever we wanted.
( When I say we, I mean the USA as I wasn't born for another couple of years yet.)

I don't see RCM as a racist. Where did you come up with that Bob?

Gordon

[K8YS]

Hi Gordon..

From previous posts on this and simular subjects.

[w5klb]

What we need is a definitive discription of what terrorism is and, IMHO, it would be difficult to define.Terrorism comes in many forms religions and nationalities. You could basicly argue that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Our Federal goverment does not define terroism. There is no law for terrorism per se. These individuals that perform these kinds of acts are charged with other crimes instead.

When will it stop? Not until mankind kind quits roaming the earth. Humans are notorious for finding new and exciting ways to kill each other, but we seem to be at a loss for finding ways to wage peace. And therein lies the problem. There will always be someone who is power hungry and blood thirsty, and until we find a way to change human behavior, we will always have this problem.

[w8znx]

Hello all
still find it amazing
how many people
love to blame the Jewish people
for the crime of still being alive

RCM
you missed quite some history

end of WW 1
UK and France divide up what was left of
Ottoman/Turk Empire
created most ot the nation states
of the middle east
ie Syria, Saudi Arabia, lebanon, Iraq ect

brits and french are to blame for
much of the mess
can you say EMPIRE

oh by the way
the grand mufti of jerusalem
declared a fatwah
( sry if not spelled proper )
on Jewish
settlers back in late 30's causing
riots that killed hundreds of Jews
brits stood aside and
let it happen

WW II the big one
Jewish settlers join with Tommy Atkins
to fight the Germans

war over
where the heck you think the Jewish survivors
going to live
remember the German Jews were the most
intergrated of all the Jews of Europe
most thought of them selves as German first
and Jewish 2nd

back to Germany or even better
Poland where Jewish survivors
geting back home were killed
by the Poles that now owned their homes

was the UK, USA, Canada willing to take in
few hundred thousand survivors right now
Hell No
few here few their yes but all of them

think for a min that any of the Jews of Europe
wour ready to stay in Europe
where many of their neighbors in Poland, and France
were more than happy to get rid of the Jews

some did not help the Germans
the Danes for one
even some French and Poles

war over Europe full of people
trying to get home
( some Soviet's trying not to go home )

so what do the Brits do to the Jewish refugees
trying to get to Palestine
lock them up in behind barbed wire in camps

lets see now British Navy and Army
keeping survivors of the holocaust
behind barbed wire
at this time think most here would
turn to any means nessary
even if it meant blowing up the King David hotel

( do think killing the kidnapped brit soldiers was criminal )

then the UN mandate happend
the goverment of UK did every thing
in its power to kill the infant state

remember nearly all the middle eastern armies
were trained by Brit Officers

when it was time to pull out
the Brits turned all the strong points
over to arab forces

and one more time
the stated goal of all the arab nation states
for over 30 years was to kill every
jewish man woman and child in Israel

how many wars you think Israel could lose
to Egypt, Syria, Jordan, and remain a nation state
NONE

the Jewish people learned the hard way
if you do not have a nation state
in this world, you are nothing

dit dit
Mac

[gw4rcm]

Quote[/b] (N6WK @ July 20 2005,20:53)]Quote[/b] (K8YS @ July 21 2005,03:48)]RCM... check agn dude, it was an UN mandate, and an abstact question for you... Have you always been a racist?
And the UN in 1947 was Who??? I think it was pretty much The British and the USA. #We pretty much got whatever we wanted.
( When I say we, I mean the USA as I wasn't born for another couple of years yet.)

I don't see RCM as a racist. #Where did you come up with that Bob?

Gordon
Mr Bob YS
where in any of my posts, have you seen or read Racist comments?

You will find that I am one of the few people posting on this forum that has consistently spoken for the races.
Speaking up for the Palestinian people, in their fight for justice, does not make me a racist any more than your stance against the Palestinians, makes you a racist.

You seem to disagree with any post I, or any Brit, makes here on this forum does that make you a Racist?

I don't seem to read any posts from you, critizising the posters who call the Arabian people "towel heads" #"Rag head" or whatever the "in" word is these days.

You seem to be a closet Racist yourself Mr Bob, why not come clean and admit it.

Mac ZNX
Nice post. It was not my intention to document the history of Palestine, or of Israel.That subject has been discussed by people, far more qualified than you or me. #
The question was , can the modern Terrorist be defeated, #and how?
Mr Bob what is abstact? I hate it when you Americans invent new words, #Oops another racist comment, I apolize.
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
I Love People
RCM

[KW4MW]

For the most part I have to agree with RCM on this one. #He says in a nut shell that one culture was forced (forced is the right word) to accept another and that the inhabiting culture was forced to cede land to the new comers. #

Now think about how irate some of us were a few weeks ago about the property rights issue raised by the eminent domain law passed by the US Supreme Court. . #

This is a bit of a stretch but consider how we in the US would feel if, for instance, we had to give up South Carolina, a state with good seaports, rivers, fertile valleys, etc. to a mass of civilization that does not speak our language, does not practice our religion and for the most part feel that they are superior to us in every way. #

Resentment - You betcha. #

Now consider the folks that would be #kicked off of their land. #Doncha think that they would be very inclined to retaliate in some way and that their resentment and hatred would be passed from generation to generation?

Apologies, if needed, to my SC friends. #I could have used almost any coastal state for my example.

Warfare is not the solution to combating terrorists but #it is required to level the playing field for peaceful negotiations.

What is required is a complete and compassionate understanding of the each others culture, religion and ethics.

[KE7DFP]

Quote[/b] (K8YS @ July 20 2005,19:48)]RCM... check agn dude, it was an UN mandate, and an abstact question for you... Have you always been a racist?
No, he says with the INFLUENCE of Britian and America, the state was established. I think it is fair to say there would be no Israel without the lobbied dollars and influence of the New York Jewish community. But Ben Laden is not a palestinian, nor does he represent the country of Saudi Arabia. Most terrorists have never even seen Israel, and are just as likely to be Germans, English, or Americans, citizens as Midle Easterns. Being less permissive with our immigration, and much freer with our deportation, is an important fiorst step. All Mosques should be electronically monitored. The Israeli situation is used as an excuse to dupe young minds. It's an excuse as to why the Islamic world does so poorly. I use to side with the Palestinians, but now I say, screw them. This is just a Jim Jones cult exploiting the young or gullible. Ask youselfs, if these men wore white hoods, instead of Black hoods, would you be as concerned with their civil rights. Their weapons are our permissiveness and the civil "rights" we are forced to extend to them, even when they are not citizens. That's the cold hard truth of the situation.

[w3sy]

RCM says:

Quote[/b] ]Mac ZNX
Nice post. It was not my intention to document the history of Palestine, or of Israel.That subject has been discussed by people, far more qualified than you or me.
The question was , can the modern Terrorist be defeated, and how?

Was that really the question?

I also heard you ask this one:

Quote[/b] ]Another abstract Question. Why did Hitler target the Jews and Gypsies?

Okay, so you want to trace today's Arab terrorism to the disruption of their culture and territory by the creation of Israel. Heard that one before.

But your post takes an odd twist when you introduce ol' Adolph. On the surface, it would appear that you want to suggest that the Jews "had it coming to them." Normally, I'd MUCH rather be right than wrong. This time I want you to tell me I'm wrong.

Over....??

[kf6rdn]

I am woefully undereducated when it comes to the whole Israel vs Palestine thing. One does typically hear the US/Israel side I think, not so much the Palestinian side. Might be curious to hear what someone from Palestine would say. (as long as they were honest) Did their land get stolen? Were the Israelites already there, just not officially and thus had some right to the area?

God bless the LAUSD...

[w3sy]

If you want the Palestinean point of view, tune into your local NPR radio station. (NPR is actually National Palestinean Radio.)

Haw.

[WB2WIK]

Land grabs are a big part of history, from the beginning and until today.

The reason "the sun never sets on the British Empire" is because the empire developed as the British Navy invaded occupied territories, fought battles, and took them over. Every country with an army has done this since the beginning of recorded time, and many, including the U.S., have succeeded.

Maybe we've forgotten the Israelis have indeed fought (military) wars and haven't lost any yet.

WB2WIK/6

[W2ILP]

I must say that I first off deplore all acts of terrorism which unfortunately usually strike innocent civilians but I must also say that we owe it to ourselves to try to understand why Muslim terrorism exists today and to do that we can not blame fanatic religion alone. Unless they commit acts of terrorism these terrorist people are frustrated individuals, who are so insignificant that they never would be noticed.

Terrorist who are suicidal do what they do to GET THe WORLD'S ATTENTION. They want the world to know that they hate the countries which they terrorize...and they expect that the world powers (large nations) will recognize their reasons...HOWEVER...Most people who have suffered terrorism have a first reaction to get revenge and terrorize the nations where the terrorists are suspected of coming from or suspected of being financed from. Most people do not want to give the terrorists the satisfaction of investigating WHY they strike where they strike. This IMHO is a mistake because it not only increases the threat of more terrorism, it does not give any clue as to why these crazy suicidal terrorists did their dirty deeds in the first place.

The U.S. is now placing more pressure on the Israelis to get out of Gaza. The Israeli should have gotten out of all the occupied territory long ago...but no they preferred revenge to recognition of Palistinian terrorist frustration....They killed three Palistinians for every Israeli killed by terrorists. They bulldozed down the homes of defenseless Palistinians in occupied territory and built more Israeli settlements there. Now that the US and the UK have been terrorized, action will be taken that should have been taken long ago...soon after the 1967 war...because we and the Brits are starting to learn that the terrorists are not just evil cowards...They are in the eyes of most Muslims, heros to their cause of getting our attention. They want Israel to stop using expansion tactics. They want the Israelis to give back land won in the 1967 war just as they gave back land that was won from Egypt, when the U.S. started to pay Israel 2.7 Billion dollars per year for Israel to make peace. They know that the U.S. and the U.K. are responsible; not just for the war in Iraq but for the creation and support of Israel.

ENUF SED.

w2ilp (I Like Peace)

[WB2WIK]

Much attention has been paid to "the terrorist mind" in press lately.

I don't think there's much to analyze. While psychopaths have always exsited and we don't have any cure, the primary threat today, and the one Homeland Security is on the watch for above all others, is very specific: Religious fanatics, mostly brainwashed in the Middle Eastern Muslim countries or by those trained there.

What's complicated about that?

The OKC bombing in '95 was an act of domestic terrorism and an exception to what we're routinely dealing with, which is why there is no permanent solution on the horizon. There will always be exceptions. But 90% of the threat today is very easy to narrow down.

Read their statements and writings, and it's obvious if these nuts didn't believe in an afterlife, they'd never be empowered to sacrifice themselves as human bombs.

[G0GQK]

Its quite amazing isn't it. The original comment was rather a question, simply, will we ever be rid of terrorists.
Naturally once someone mentions a few truths, out pours the bile, you are a racist, racism, etc. etc.

There was nothing offensive in the original comments, so why all the offensive comments whenever Jews and Israel is mentioned ?

It has so happened that again, 14 days after the London bombings today 21st July 2005, four more bombings have occured in London. Once again they will be young brainwashed Moslems convinced by their religious leaders that they should be the religious warriors who will turn Britain into a fundamentalist Moslem country.

Now as far as I can recall this kind of activity has never occured in the United States. America has no understanding of the effects of bombing on its people, either by being dropped out of a Zeppelin, an aircraft, or an explosive devise left in a bus, train, shopping mall, telephone boxes and litter bins. The British people have.

Having seen the effect on TV of people in the US experiencing your home grown crime, the mass killing of schoolchildren, I would imagine that the effect of having almost a 1000 enemy aircraft bombing Washington every night for months on end as happened in 1940 would cause mass hysteria.

There will never be an end to terrorism, it has existed since 2500 BC in various forms, and it will continue in the coming centuries. Remember please that we British
were suffering terrorism from the Vikings in 900 AD. They used to send their bloodthirstiest warriors ashore first to soften up any resistance, they were called beserkers, from which the word beserk is still used today.

The British have a long, long history of suffering attacks
and the present attack on the British people by Moslems will be brought under control. If I had my way, having had them arrested and found guilty I would sentence them to a life imprisonment with hard labour, to work in a quarry, or digging sand, in all weather, and to die in prison having had no privilages, visits by family, no TV etc. They would like to die as martyrs, to join Allah, as their reward when they kill innocent people along with themselves.

I would deprive them of their wish and make every day of the rest of their lives a living hell, that they would pray for death, and be deprived of their wish. Death is too easy for such evil people who desire to kill innocent people of any nation, Jews or Christians, or anyone.

[WB2WIK]

Quote[/b] (G0GQK @ July 21 2005,14:42)]Now as far as I can recall this kind of activity has never occured in the United States. America has no understanding of the effects of bombing on its people, either by being dropped out of a Zeppelin, an aircraft, or an explosive devise left in a bus, train, shopping mall, telephone boxes and litter bins.
You're kidding, right?

[W5MJL]

I guess airplanes don't count, or the bombing of the wtc in the early 90's.