Tiem to brush-up on your 10 codes

[WZ4I]

10-1 Receiving Poorly 10-38 Ambulance Needed At
10-2 Receiving Well 10-39 Your Message Delivered
10-3 Stop Transmitting 10-41 Please Tune To Channel
10-4 OK, Message Received 10-42 Traffic Accident at_
10-5 Relay Message 10-43 Traffic Tieup at
10-10 Transmission Completed, Standing By 10-60 What Is Next Message Number?
10-11 Talking Too Rapidly 10-62 Unable To Copy, Use Landline
10-12 Visitors Present 10-63 Net Directed To
10-13 Advise Weather and Road Conditions 10-64 Net Clear
10-16 Make Pickup at 10-65 Waiting for Next Message or Assignment
10-17 Urgent Business 10-67 All Units Comply
10-18 Anything for Us? 10-70 Fire At
10-21 Call By Landline 10-75 You Are Causing Interference
10-22 Report in Person to 10-77 Negative Contact
10-23 Stand By 10-81 Reserve Hotel Room For_
10-26 Disregard Last Information 10-85 My Address Is 10-89 Radio Repairman Needed At
10-28 Identify Your Station 10-90 I Have TVI
10-29 Time Is Up For Contact 10-91 Talk Closer To Mike
10-30 Does Not Conform To FCC Rules 10-92 Your Transmission Is Out Of Adjustment
10-32 I Will Give You A Radio Check 10-93 Check My Frequency On This Channel
10-33 EMERGENCY TRAFFIC AT THIS STATION 10-94 Please Give Me A Long Count
10-34 Trouble at this Station, Help Needed 10-95 Transmission Dead Carrier For 5 Seconds
10-35 Confidential Information 10-99 Mission Completed, All Units Secure
10-36 Correct Time Is



DAMN. I can't even spell the word "time".

[W5MJL]

When I hear break for a 10-36 I'm selling my radio.

[N8CPA]

I pray not!

[ai4ep]

....so "break for a radio check " doesnt get you mad no more ?

If I were in a conversation, and that kind of stuff started, al I would do is identify my station, lay the mike down on the table and listen to how every one ELSE handled the situation.

That way, I would have I D d my station legally, and then got quiet so I wouldnt say any thing lousy over the air.

If I got really, really mad I would unplug the microphone . ( no I would not choke myself with it )


Has the price increase began yet with HF rigs ...new & used ?

[W5MJL]

Yes, I have already heard "break radio check" a bunch on 40 meters.

[n7rjd]

Quote[/b] (ka5fap @ July 20 2005,11:19)]Yes, I have already heard "break radio check" a bunch on 40 meters.
Sorry, no checks, my radio only has a cash slot. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[KE7CWB]

or worse could see excessive use of Q codes on phone modes (not that we dont already see that in some areas).

[kf4lne]

WTF is the reason for posting a list of 10 codes?!

[ad4mg]

Quote[/b] (kf4lne @ July 20 2005,22:45)]WTF is the reason for posting a list of 10 codes?!
See: #FCC ISSUES NPRM TO ELIMINATE CODE REQUIREMENT (http://www.qrz.com/ib-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST&f=3&t=96906)

[kf4lne]

oh yeah, nuff said...I am inclined to agree..first time I hear "break for a 10-36" I am burning my radio, wouldnt want to curse someone else with it. I am so glad simplex is generally underused and only the hard core simplex people will dare venture there...not likeley to hear the 10 codes thereand if so, well they are local and wont take a few minutes to DF the source and clean the frequency.

[ai4ep]

LNE... nice looking SONAR cb rig in your pic....they getting to be kind of rare.

ai4ep

[kf4lne]

yeah, they are. too bad it has never worked. I use it for a space filler and because it just looked good under the shelf. I had planned to modify it for something but never got around to it so it just sits in the closet now with the rest of the assorted radio junk I have accumulated over the years.

[W5HTW]

Those ten codes do not resemble the ten codes used in public safety around here, or at least, most of them do not.

And that is the problem. Soon only CBers and Hams (I guess I should start calling them HAMS) will use ten codes, as public safety is shifting to plain language. It was learned in the 9-11 incident, when volunteers showed up from around the nation, that dozens of representatives from dozens of different departments, meant hundreds of different ten codes.

Homeland Security, along with FEMA, is now promoting, through the Incident Command System, the use of PLAIN ENGLISH in emergency communications.

You are right, though. Since ten fours good buddies will be all over the ham -- uh, HAM, bands --- we HAM/CBers really DO need to brush up on the ten codes.

Ten fer?

Ed

[ai4ep]

Apparently the police nationwide are stopping from using any 10 codes at all in any situation, and using PLAIN ENGLISH words instead....there apparently were so many VERSIONS of the original 10 codes that it became confusing when one moved across state lines, or even in your own state.

Personal guess is that 10-4 stayed the same nationwide, along with 10-55 ( drunk ), and 10-100 (police chase ), and of course 10-33 (emergency) but all the others over the years were changed for thier local situations.

PLAIN ENGLISH means no misunderstandings, or a lot less of them.

It takes some getting used to, but in listening to the local cops on the scanner they are getting used to the idea. One I heard the other night go " 10-8 " had another officer ask him " What did you say ? " and he corrected himself....the dispatcher keyed up her radio and ( hear laughter in background) said " it is ok, we forgive you " . !!

Some of these officers have been using 10 codes since they first went to work---15 - 20 YEARS ago, now all of a sudden they have to stop saying what became the norm.

ai4ep

[AG3Y]

Just cant help myself, I gots ta say something about this. #I just finished reading the entire Ham News Forum string about the Notice of Proposed Rule Making, and the most intelligent post I read was the one which pointed out that the written part of the examination was not even being considered for a change. #Now, really, do you seriously think that the redneck "HFers" who abuse the frequencies above the legal CB channels (and even into the 10 meter band) are going to crack a book to study enough to pass the elements required to get on the HF bands? #Heck, I betcha that most of that crowd doesn't even know what they are missing on the frequencies below 11 meters, much less have a desire to get on them !! # #Enough of my rave, now. #I'll go and take my pills.

73, #Jim

[AD5UT]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ July 20 2005,21:56)]Apparently the police nationwide are stopping from using any 10 codes at all in any situation, and using PLAIN ENGLISH words instead....there apparently were so many VERSIONS of the original 10 codes that it became confusing when one moved across state lines, or even in your own state.

Personal guess is that 10-4 stayed the same nationwide, along with 10-55 ( drunk ), and 10-100 #(police chase ), and of course 10-33 (emergency) but all the others over the years were changed for thier local situations.

PLAIN ENGLISH means no misunderstandings, or a lot less of them.

It takes some getting used to, but in listening to the local cops on the scanner #they are getting used to the idea. #One I heard the other night go " 10-8 " had another officer ask him #" What did you say ? " and he corrected himself....the dispatcher keyed up her radio and #( hear laughter in background) said " it is ok, we forgive you " #. !!

Some of these officers have been using 10 codes since they first went to work---15 - 20 YEARS ago, now all of a sudden they have to stop saying what became the norm.

ai4ep
That, and they dont want to lose their FEMA preparedness funding. Took my ICS tests last night.

[ai4ep]

AQG...what is a ICS test ...and...more importantly...DID YOU PASS ?

we wanna know

ai4ep

[n4zzq]

I guess on the next update to our "Ham Tests" will have the code requirment back. 10 codes that is. If you are too lazy to learn code then you are too lazy to be a Ham. If Ham radio is to die. Then I would rather it die as a respected hobby with a code requirment.

AL
N4ZZQ

[KC0JAR]

just a non-respectable no-code tech checking in. Nice to see all you old farts are still complaining about useless crap to yourselves and not doing one damn thing to change it. Take a bath.

10-roogger

[KA8NCR]

So as if 10 codes are any worse than Q-signals on SSB.

You guys would complain about the tarnish if someone gave you a silver dollar.

[KC9ECI]

Robert, ICS, is Incident Command System. #You can visit the FEMA site at http://training.fema.gov/EMIWeb/IS/is195.asp and take the training and test yourself.

[KD7WHQ]

We aren't going to have any frickin 10 codes.

As noted, the test isn't being targeted; only element one.

The tech test is easy, well it was for me, the girlfriend had to crack books, and two other people gave up, but for me..

And, I passed element three with ease, and will again. With cursory study.

Most stereotypical CB types did NOT grow up with two hams in the family, and did not begin with electronics at age 8 as I did. That would have been 1968. (Remember photostat machines? Ugh)

They also didn't head for novice in the early '70's as I started to do.

The only change I see, is more techs gaining general. Extra is a far more difficult test than either.

But, I think the progression of band use will be the same; VHF/UHF, then HF. Look at rig prices for just one reason as to why.

Done right by all others on the air, there won't be any change on HF at all; they will have cut their teeth, and know the ropes as to mannerisms. (Did I say elmer?)

But, bank on the first rig Nate Newbie gets is a handheld.

That isn't going to change..

I will add this;

ALL the KE7 calls I have heard in the last year, have needed an absolute minimum of elmering to both be near model ops on the air, and figure out what direction they were going to go in the hobby/service..

[nz3m]

Quote[/b] (KD7WHQ @ July 22 2005,22:53)]But, I think the progression of band use will be the same; VHF/UHF, then HF. Look at rig prices for just one reason as to why.
Alot of us go VHF then HF then back to VHF. I've been hearing more CW on 6m than 20m lately.

Dave

[n2nh]

Ten Codes are just the beginning! There are Worlds of idiocy to conquer. Like learning a second language. CAMBIO! Cambio-cambio-cambio!!!

Wonder what Da Pope of QRZ has to say - he's been strangely silent on this thread...

[K8ERV]

I am still trying to figure out what "tiem" means----

TOM K8ERV Montrose Colo

[N8CPA]

Maybe dropping Element 1 is meant as a "pro tiem" measure, so the CBfication of the Amateur Bands is just "pro tiem." If so, by listening to local VHF--local defined as my QTH, maybe not yours--"pro tiem" is about 10 years, so far. It appears then that pro tiem is just a euphemism for omnia saeculorum.

[n9xv]

The cops will soon have to repeat their instructions as in the aviation world.

Air Traffic Controller:

American 1234 turn left heading 340 then decend and maintain flight level 290.

Pilot:

Left to 340 then down to flight level 290, american 1234.

Police dispatcher:

Car 4, check the intersection of Rt.-159 and I-70 for an accedent called in by a passer by.

Potroll unit:

understand check the accedent at Rt.-159 and I-70 for car 4.

- - - What redundancy!

[W0LPQ]

Aviation world is done that way to prevent errors. Works just fine. The ground control (whether Center, Enroute, or Ground Control) demands readback.

73

Bill, W0LPQ

[K0RGR]

Yep, and sometimes reading back the instructions isn't enough...I remember distincly hearing the following when I was on short approach to Stockton Airport one time :
"...Stockton tower, this is PSA flight 626, I have one of those little white guys right in front of me...".

Apparently, the tower and I had managed to miscommuncate the runway number, in spite of my reading it back to them just as I had written it on my clipboard. A visit to the control tower after my emergency maneuver and shaken-up landing straightened this matter out promptly.

As for 10 codes, 10-100 had a generally understood meaning that was quite different in this part of the country, and I think this whole discussion is a great big pile of it.

[k7kwh]

Quote[/b] (K0RGR @ July 25 2005,11:28)]As for 10 codes, 10-100 had a generally understood meaning that was quite different in this part of the country, and I think this whole discussion is a great big pile of it.
I know in these parts, 10-100 = visiting the watercloset.

[KC0UUP]

Quote[/b] (K0RGR @ July 25 2005,04:28)]Yep, and sometimes reading back the instructions isn't enough...I remember distincly hearing the following when I was on short approach to Stockton Airport one time :
"...Stockton tower, this is PSA flight 626, I have one of those little white guys right in front of me...".

Apparently, the tower and I had managed to miscommuncate the runway number, in spite of my reading it back to them just as I had written it on my clipboard. A visit to the control tower after my emergency maneuver and shaken-up landing straightened this matter out promptly.

As for 10 codes, 10-100 had a generally understood meaning that was quite different in this part of the country, and I think this whole discussion is a great big pile of it.
I had always thought that one to be 10-200.

[ky5u]

Beats the folks where I volunteered who preach plain language then refer to a deceased person as Signal 7. #You either use plain language or you don't. #Or even worse using plain language to ask someone if they got the 26. # This in an abbreviation of a ten-code (10-26) in a system that is supposed to be plain english. #It took 5 years to explain to them how the identifier could be prevented from keying over traffic.

I was first to a cardiac run a couple years ago and when I got to the front door, all the lights were off. I knocked on the door and was greeted by a woman with a gun. #I backed out of sight and tried to call dispatch but the identifier cut me out. #The dispatcher finally answered and I should standby she was extremely 10-6 (local ten code for busy even though we're supposed to use plain english). #

Finally I asked the dispatcher if any other unit had a gun pointed at them at the moment, and if not, could I have the air please. LOL.

I got the gun lady quieted down (we had been given the wrong address), and I went two doors down and started CPR. #The guy survived thank God. And, of course, the 911 center tape was "lost" when they went to investigate. Luckily others had heard the traffic and the gun lady was only too happy to help out.

Another time I called for the police because I was surrounded in a bad neighborhood (medical call). #The policy was that the police had to know why before they would dispatch. #Turned out ok, because I defused the situation by asking the most agressive guy if he wanted to answer for me. He keyed the mike and told the dispatcher I was busy getting my a$$ kicked and could not respond. Once the guys found out I was FD and not PD, it was over. The policy was changed.

Another time I called for the power company at a working house fire. #The dispatcher said she needed the address. #Fire was blowing out of the front door and the address placard had burned up. #When I told the dispatcher I couldn't find out, she told me that procedure was they can't dispatch the power company without an exact address. #My Asst. Chief raised his hand and I let him answer as I was busy enough. #AS I walked away I heard him say, "just tell them to come down the street, its the only house on fire with wires shooting sparks in the air on the whole block!". The policy was changed.

[K8ERV]

Quote[/b] (k7kwh @ July 26 2005,21:00)]I know in these parts, 10-100 = visiting the watercloset.
I thot it was the "necessary room". That is what a lady visitor at a local NatlPark asked me for. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

TOM K8ERV Montrose Colo

[N8CPA]

Quote[/b] (K8ERV @ Aug. 04 2005,07:02)]Quote[/b] (k7kwh @ July 26 2005,21:00)]I know in these parts, 10-100 = visiting the watercloset.
I thot it was the "necessary room". That is what a lady visitor at a local NatlPark asked me for. # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

TOM K8ERV #Montrose Colo
Maybe she thought she was at Red Lobster.

[KG4RUL]

Quote[/b] (KE7CWB @ July 20 2005,14:03)]or worse could see excessive use of Q codes on phone modes (not that we dont already see that in some areas).
Isn't 'CQ' a CW abbreviation! So should we stop using:

CQ CQ CQ KG4RUL CQ CQ CQ

and instead say:

All Station All Stations All Stations KG4RUL All Stations All Station All Stations

What about QSO, QRZ (now there is one that is grossly misused), QRM, QRN, QTH, QSY, QRP, etc.?

Or is this just a phenomenon that we will see with the coming flood of NoCode HF operator?

Will the existing Code qualified Hams conduct seminars on bad operating practices and bad language for 75 Meter operations?

Morse code does not a good operator make.

Dennis http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[ky5u]

If you hear QRS, Dennis. Just speak slower.

[ai4ep]

and in plain easy to understand english....if that IS possible.