Gun Control

[al2i]

Liberal/Conservative/Alaskan

Question: You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children. Suddenly, a dangerous looking man with a huge knife comes around the corner and is running at you while screaming obscenities. In your hand is a Glock .40 and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family. What do you do?

Liberal Answer:
Well, that's not enough information to answer the question!
Does the man look poor or oppressed?
Have I ever done anything to him that is inspiring him to attack?
Could we run away?
What does my wife think? What about the kids?
Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand?
What does the law say about this situation?
Is it possible he'd be happy with just killing me?
Does he definitely want to kill me or would he just be content to wound me?
If I were to grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he was stabbing me?
This is all so confusing! I need to debate this with some friends for a few days to try to come to a conclusion.

Conservative Answer:
BANG!

Alaskan's Answer:
BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click... (sounds of clip being ejected and fresh clip installed)

Wife: "Sweetheart, he looks like he's still moving, what do you kids think?"

Son: "Mom's right Dad, I saw it too..."

BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!

Daughter: "Nice grouping Daddy!"

[KI4CIA]

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I bet this thread gets locked before 12:00 noon, CST


Actually the conservative approach would be bang, bang. Double-taps.

And it should be a Colt .45 http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[al2i]

KI4CIA: Are you up late or up early?

[KI4CIA]

up early ... eating breakfast before I go to work ... I have another 10 minutes to goof off though.

[al2i]

Have a good day! I slept from 6:30 pm until 11:30 pm, so I guess I am up for the day as well.

73,
Dave/al2i

[ac4ut]

What exact obsenities is he yelling? Just kidding! Aim for the chest and empty the clip.
It does look bad if you reload and fire again. I never understood why.

[kf6rdn]

How about middle of road:

BLAM! BLAM!

Sorry dood! Watch the obscenities next time!

So hun, kids.. El torito sound good?

And what's with that dood in the next deserted street over taking so many shots? He from alaska or somehting?

[W5MJL]

Yep, the simple solutions are often the best. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

The liberal would also be complaining that there is never a cop when you neeed him, and if the guy killed a member of the family he would become an automatic death penalty advocate.

[W7WV]

I like the .45 ACP personally.
Why waste ammo when 1 shot will do it?

[WZ4I]

I'm for Gun Control 100%.

I always use both hands.

[KW4MW]

Gun Control 2025

(By city ordinance, all personal firearms must be registered and kept in a central location under lock and key by city administrators. #The city council, smug in their belief that they have taken all the guns off of the streets have drastically reduced the numbers of the police force.) # #

Dialing 486 (GUN)

Good evening, City Gun Control, may I help you?

Yes, there's a prowler outside my house and I'd like my firearm delivered immediately please.

Is the prowler threatening you in any way?

Well I believe he is casing my house for a break in.

We cannot deliver your weapon based upon what you believe sir, there has to be a real threat.

Ok, Ok, the guy is a definite threat.

Are you sure? Have you called the police?

Yes, yes, I called the police, they promised to be here within 4 hours, I need my weapon now. #

Very well Sir, your registration number?

3B748-2543-87UK43

3B7 what, slower please?

3B748

3C748

No No 3B748 # # B! # #B!

3B748BB

No 3B748

3B748 Ok

2543

3B748-2543 #Ok

87UK43

78UK43

No NO 87UK43

87UK43?

Yes #Yes #please hurry!

Sir I have 3B748-2543-87UK43 #is that correct?

Yes yes, please hurry, I think he is picking the lock right now. #

(Sounds of keyboard clicking) #Sir!

Yes?

Umm I'm afraid that you have already accessed your weapon three times this quarter - that is the maximum number allowed by city ordinance.

You don't understand, this guy picking my lock right now.

Sorry Sir, there's nothing I can do about it. #

Oh my Gawd, he's in the house and he has a gun. #

Very good Sir, please check his registration and if he is in violation of the city code we'll try to send a squad car right out.


Bang, Click, Hmmmm

[kl7aj]

Aim for the genitals

[K8YS]

MW:

Sounds like "Gun Control - Ontario Style" v2005

[M3KVA]

My Ordinance of choise would be a M61A2, or GAU-17, for optimum spraying, we wont use the 30mm type, as target isnt considerd armoured.

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[al2i]

Quote[/b] (M3KVA @ July 19 2005,07:47)]My Ordinance of choise would be a M61A2, or GAU-17, for optimum spraying, we wont use the 30mm type, as target isnt considerd armoured.

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Nice tube M3KVA. It has a handle. What is it?

[K8ERV]

I like the Beetle cartoon, where he is shooting on the rifle range, and the gun goes GNAB GNAB. Sarge says that Beetle always gets it backwards!!

Gotta be the best comic strip going----

TOM K8ERV Montrose Colo

[K7FE]

"Firearms Refresher Course"


1. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.

2. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.

3. Glock: The original point and click interface.

4. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.

5. If guns are outlawed, can we use swords?

6. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.

7. Free Men Do not ask permission to bear arms.

8. If you don't know your rights you don't have any.

9. Those who trade liberty for security have neither.

10. The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights reserved.

11. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?

12. The ! Second Amendment is in place in case they ignore the others.

13. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.

14. Guns only have two enemies: rust and liberals.

15. Know guns, know peace and safety. No guns, no peace nor safety.

16. You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.

17. 911 - government sponsored Dial-a-Prayer.

18. Assault is a behavior, not a device.

19. Criminals love gun control -- it makes their jobs safer.

20. If guns cause crime, then matches cause arson.

21. Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them..

22. You only have the rights you are willing to fight for.

23. Enforce the "gun control laws" we have, don't make more.

24. When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves.

25. The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control.

26. ".. A government of the people, by the people, for the people..."

[W5MJL]

Great post Terry. It places guns in the proper perspective.

[W7WV]

Very good Terry.
Here in AZ we consider Gun Control a well placed shot.

[KD6NIG]

I notice in GB now that "Stop, or I'll say stop again" isn't working anymore, and they have began arming thier policemen/women.

I wonder why they had to do that? Hmm, perhaps because since the citizens aren't armed, the crooks are? DOH!

I'm sure the criminals over there are quite upset at the prospect that since the police are now armed, things on the playing field have actually been made quite even now.

[w5lda]

ERV,,I remember that cartoon, but was said Zero even loads his ammo backwards,hence the gnab gnab

[KC0NBW]

Quote[/b] (KD6NIG @ July 19 2005,09:18)]I notice in GB now that "Stop, or I'll say stop again" isn't working anymore, and they have began arming thier policemen/women.

I wonder why they had to do that? #Hmm, perhaps because since the citizens aren't armed, the crooks are? #DOH!

I'm sure the criminals over there are quite upset at the prospect that since the police are now armed, things on the playing field have actually been made quite even now.
the field will be ''even'' when the citizens have as many guns as the police and the rest of the crooks have ! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[kb9iou]

I have to say my gun control is pretty good http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Last time I had to shoot a qualifying session I scored a 98%... with 49 of my 50 rounds in the 10x ring and the 50th round landed right between the eyes of the target... Don't get much better than that.... Kimber Custom II - 45ACP - Wilson Combat Magazines

[kf6rdn]

Stop! Or I'll whap ya with a shovel!

[ka0gkt]

A 12 gauge with #2 shot or a 10 gauge with #1 shot. 00 Buck is highly overrated, you perforate the target more times with #1 or #2 and the target doesn't get up. A Fletchett load would be nice, but hard to explain to the coroner.

Remember, there is something intimidating about the sound of the slide being racked on the Remington during that loud silence after the first shot...not only are you willing to cap one off indoors, but you're ready to do it again if necessary...the 10 gauge is an over/under, improved cylinder choke/ full choke.

[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (K7FE @ July 19 2005,09:43)]"Firearms Refresher Course"
Good "shot" Terry! #17 'bout filled the keyboard with beer here.

"It's only funny because it's so true."

73, Rob

GUN CONTROL IS BEING ABLE TO HIT YOUR TARGET.
I WILL GIVE UP MY GUN WHEN THEY PRY IT FROM MY COLD DEAD HAND. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[K8ERV]

Quote[/b] (kd5vsg @ July 19 2005,10:21)]ERV,,I remember that cartoon, but was said Zero even loads his ammo backwards,hence the gnab gnab
Then there is the Polish revolver. I made one once and took a picture. Only later did I realize that I soldered some holding wire to a live round. Oh well-=--

TOM K8ERV Montrose Colo

[w5klb]

Quote[/b] (KI4CIA @ July 19 2005,04:42)]http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

I bet this thread gets locked before 12:00 noon, CST


Actually the conservative approach would be bang, bang. #Double-taps. #

And it should be a Colt .45 #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
The "conservative approach" could be one of the following:

<click> BANG!!

<chink-chink> BANG!!

Remember: Fight crime, shoot back!!

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[w6ez]

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[w6ez]

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[KD7WHQ]

I really like this CZ-52. 7.62x25, sounds small until you hear the blast.
Ballistically, it is even more nasty than a .45.

If they get past that, there is the K98k, loaded with FMJ steel cored rounds.
After, the Mosin-Nagant M-38. The muzzle flash alone will freeze 'em http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif.

Don't really have anything going with the Arisaka T-99.. It's an expermental loader, and a display item otherwise.

But otherwise, locked and loaded..

[kf6rdn]

Its kind of interesting, reading the other material, and other polls that tend to be typically partisan, dems & repubs follow the party line. Like Bush vs Kerry, Impeach bush, etc.

Doesnt seem to be the case according to the poll HERE, on this topic.

[k9kjm]

Yes, A GREAT post by K7FE #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
A walking down the street type encounter will bring out
a handgun of your choice to settle the situation.
BUT inside a home type situation, The post by KA0GKT has the right answer! #The shorter barrel 12 gauge will end the problem FAST! And the Remington 870 is one of the proven ones that really do work!
Just like radios, antennas, and other things, the correct choice of equipment makes the job/work go better/faster/quicker.
And like having a well equipped ham shack full of radios,
It is nice to have a good selection of firearms for different situations.......... #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[k6pme]

I like just BANG, one time, between the eyes. Use a .22, .38, .9mm, 45 ACP, 12 gauge, makes no difference to me.

Although with a pump 12 gauge you might not need to shoot. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[KI4CIA]

can't believe nobody's posted it yet ... my husband's "signature" on his emails ...

Molon Labe


(and good post Terry)

[KC0NBW]

Quote[/b] (KD7WHQ @ July 19 2005,23:08)]I really like this CZ-52. #7.62x25, sounds small until you hear the blast.
Ballistically, it is even more nasty than a .45.
not quite ! it is quite fast(1500 fps +-) but with only an 85 grain bullet, it does not have the stopping power of the .45 acp. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[KB9YCO]

Real gun control is not only hitting your target but assuring it's destruction.

On a serious note, gun control is a fallacy anyway, legislating morality has never worked, never will, people will still have and use guns, much like the drug war and so many other issues, passing more laws does nothing. The key lies in education, and social issues have more to do with why people shoot one another (or use drugs) than the tool they use to do it. But, alas, certain political groups would rather find band-aid solutions like gun control laws rather than having to delve into complex social issues that probably aren't prevelant in their 'neighborhood'.

(NOTE: I didn't read this entire thread since this annoying computer is running so slow, my apologies if it went a different direction I was unaware of, etc.)

[kd5rpo]

All of my guns were stolen recently by crooks. Gun Control laws are based on a faulty premise.

12Ga Rem 1100,
Thomson Center Contender with a few different cal. barrels.
Thomson Center Renegade 50 cal.
Remington 7400 270 cal.
Ruger 10-22 stainless with large scope and expensive laminated silver birch stock.
CVA double barrel 12Ga muzzle loader.

[K8YS]

Quote[/b] (kd5rpo @ July 20 2005,17:04)]All of my guns were stolen recently by crooks. Gun Control laws are based on a faulty premise.

12Ga Rem 1100,
Thomson Center Contender with a few different cal. barrels.
Thomson Center Renegade 50 cal.
Remington 7400 270 cal.
Ruger 10-22 stainless with large scope and expensive laminated silver birch stock.
CVA double barrel 12Ga muzzle loader.
TC Renegade in .50cal? I must be the ONLY person that has one in .54cal.

[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (K8YS @ July 20 2005,16:57)]Quote[/b] (kd5rpo @ July 20 2005,17:04)]All of my guns were stolen recently by crooks. Gun Control laws are based on a faulty premise.

12Ga Rem 1100,
Thomson Center Contender with a few different cal. barrels.
Thomson Center Renegade 50 cal.
Remington 7400 270 cal.
Ruger 10-22 stainless with large scope and expensive laminated silver birch stock.
CVA double barrel 12Ga muzzle loader.
TC Renegade in .50cal? I must be the ONLY person that has one in .54cal.
I thought everything over .50 was illegal these days. But, like most gun stuff they've tried to legislate out of existance, this probably has a grandfather clause.

Ever notice how every "gun law" is preceded by a huge spike in gun sales?

Man, sorry to hear about the loss, RPO. Used to know a guy who was into Contenders and X-100's. First (and only) time I ever hit a bullseye at 1,000 ft was with one of his pistolas. He was a machinist and would make those barrels "just so" and then create a wildcat cartridge based on the .444 Marlin. Only time I ever saw a "pistol" with a 12X scope either, come to think of it.

73, Rob

[k6pme]

Quote[/b] (KB9YCO @ July 20 2005,11:29)]Real gun control is not only hitting your target but assuring it's destruction.

On a serious note, gun control is a fallacy anyway, legislating morality has never worked, never will, people will still have and use guns, much like the drug war and so many other issues, passing more laws does nothing. The key lies in education, and social issues have more to do with why people shoot one another (or use drugs) than the tool they use to do it. But, alas, certain political groups would rather find band-aid solutions like gun control laws rather than having to delve into complex social issues that probably aren't prevelant in their 'neighborhood'.

(NOTE: I didn't read this entire thread since this annoying computer is running so slow, my apologies if it went a different direction I was unaware of, etc.)
Once again Brett, You call it like it is....


RPO, That really sucks. I have 2 TC's in 30 herritt, .223 and .44 mag. My dad has 2 more in the same plus more calibers.


I have to say that I'm not familiar with the TC renegade .50 or .54.

KF0RT, That would be the Remington XP-100. The only bolt action 'handgun' that I know of. I would trade some of my finest to get a hold of one of those. Oh and yea, only Kalifornia outlawed anything over .50 cal. Black powder excepted of course. But hey, it's Kalifornia.

On another note. If anyone wants to see a good one, look up California bill AB 357. (might be SB 357) The "ammo ban" has begun.

[KD7WHQ]

Ok, so it's isn't.

But, you have to admit hearing that louder than rifle blast and being hit is definitely going to be a shock ;)

[K8YS]

Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ July 20 2005,18:16)]I thought everything over .50 was illegal these days.
the TC Renegade is BLACK POWdER and is exempt from a ".50cal rule".

[k6pme]

Quote[/b] (K8YS @ July 20 2005,19:26)]Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ July 20 2005,18:16)]I thought everything over .50 was illegal these days.
the TC Renegade is BLACK POWdER and is exempt from a ".50cal rule".
I guess that's why I'm not familar with them. I'm not a black powder shooter.

My hat's off to them that are!

[kd5rpo]

Quote[/b] ]TC Renegade in .50cal? I must be the ONLY person that has one in .54cal.
-------------
I thought everything over .50 was illegal these days.

These rifles are muzzle loaders (black powder) and I have also owned the 54 cal version of the renegade and sold it to a friend after downing a Mule Deer. I figured I might get slightly better accuracy with the .50
We're talking patched round balls and civil war type bullets.

Our founding fathers did it with lead balls.

[k6pme]

Quote[/b] (kd5rpo @ July 20 2005,21:01)]Our founding fathers did it with lead balls.
Them's would be some tougher men than me! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[K8ERV]

Quote[/b] (KG6QQL @ July 20 2005,21:06)]Quote[/b] (kd5rpo @ July 20 2005,21:01)]Our founding fathers did it with lead balls.
Them's would be some tougher men than me! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
OOOOOOHHH !!!!

TOM K8ERV Montrose Colo

[W1SMC]

I carry a Colt Officers and for home I use a Mossberg 590 Intimidator 12 gauge and a S&W 625 .45ACP revolver.

I also like the Springfield Champion and the Ultra Compact as a preferred carry weapon.

[kf6rdn]

I'd LOVE to have a Barret M821a.. # Can't quite afford THAT one though..
Even if I could I probably couldnt afford to shoot it.

Looking forward to visiting Oregon at end of month, I'll be able to shoot my AR! Whoohoo!
Err, not my Amatuer Radio! lol..

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[KC0NBW]

Quote[/b] (KD7WHQ @ July 20 2005,19:24)]Ok, so it's isn't.

But, you have to admit hearing that louder than rifle blast and being hit is definitely going to be a shock ;)
?

if you are referring to the post i made about the .45 acp compared to the 7.62x25, the 7.62 is not particularly loud either.

it is nowhere near as loud as the .357 and other
cartridges in common use today.

getting hit with any bullet is a shock to the human body, but some are much worse than others.

i got hit with birdshot from a 12 gauge shotgun when i was a kid,(35-40 yards) it was not pleasant, but it was not all that painful either.

i got hit with a few fragments of a .45 acp slug while i was in the army, it hurt a lot more than the birdshot did,but it still did not stop me although it did slow me down a bit ! (it is quite a long story, i will tell you about it one of these days !)

the .357 magnum, .45 acp, and the .40 s&w are rated at the top for one shot stops, then there is a fairly large gap to the next level of stopping power. the 7.62x25 is way down the list.

i would not care to get shot with any of them, they all hurt and they are all potentially fatal if you get hit in the right area .

[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (KG6QQL @ July 20 2005,17:39)]KF0RT, That would be the Remington XP-100. The only bolt action 'handgun' that I know of. I would trade some of my finest to get a hold of one of those. Oh and yea, only Kalifornia outlawed anything over .50 cal. Black powder excepted of course. But hey, it's Kalifornia.
Right you are, and I knew there was a black powder issue on the .50 and above stuff somewhere. (Been awhile).

I don't get out shooting much these days and have never been a hunter, but have the safety certificate. We used to have a number of decent shooting ranges here, but through one "development" or another, they've been shut down. The choices now are to go to an indoor range (screw that, they now charge by the hour and are too short anyway), or join a "club" that owns some land -- also expensive. It's really a shame.

Or a third alternative; the National Forests. I still haven't figured out the "legal footing" on that one.

73, Rob

[KC0NBW]

Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ July 22 2005,19:58)]Quote[/b] (KG6QQL @ July 20 2005,17:39)]KF0RT, That would be the Remington XP-100. The only bolt action 'handgun' that I know of. I would trade some of my finest to get a hold of one of those. Oh and yea, only Kalifornia outlawed anything over .50 cal. Black powder excepted of course. But hey, it's Kalifornia.
Right you are, and I knew there was a black powder issue on the .50 and above stuff somewhere. #(Been awhile).

I don't get out shooting much these days and have never been a hunter, but have the safety certificate. #We used to have a number of decent shooting ranges here, but through one "development" or another, they've been shut down. #The choices now are to go to an indoor range (screw that, they now charge by the hour and are too short anyway), or join a "club" that owns some land -- also expensive. #It's really a shame. #

Or a third alternative; the National Forests. #I still haven't figured out the "legal footing" on that one. #

73, Rob
you should move to the arrowhead of minnesota !

all the shooting area you could want and most of it is either government land or open to trespass .

we have a lot of good sized gravel pits that make excellent shooting ranges and there is no charge unless you take gravel from them . http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[K8ERV]

Quote[/b] (KC0NBW @ July 21 2005,20:06)]i would not care to get shot with any of them, they all hurt and they are all potentially fatal if you get hit in the right area .
I dare not ask what the "right area" is---
TOM K8ERV Montrose Colo

[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (KC0NBW @ July 22 2005,21:05)]Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ July 22 2005,19:58)]Quote[/b] (KG6QQL @ July 20 2005,17:39)]KF0RT, That would be the Remington XP-100. The only bolt action 'handgun' that I know of. I would trade some of my finest to get a hold of one of those. Oh and yea, only Kalifornia outlawed anything over .50 cal. Black powder excepted of course. But hey, it's Kalifornia.
Right you are, and I knew there was a black powder issue on the .50 and above stuff somewhere. (Been awhile).

I don't get out shooting much these days and have never been a hunter, but have the safety certificate. We used to have a number of decent shooting ranges here, but through one "development" or another, they've been shut down. The choices now are to go to an indoor range (screw that, they now charge by the hour and are too short anyway), or join a "club" that owns some land -- also expensive. It's really a shame.

Or a third alternative; the National Forests. I still haven't figured out the "legal footing" on that one.

73, Rob
you should move to the arrowhead of minnesota !

all the shooting area you could want and most of it is either government land or open to trespass .

we have a lot of good sized gravel pits that make excellent shooting ranges and there is no charge unless you take gravel from them . http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
I hear housing is relatively cheap up there, too. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

73, Rob

[KC0NBW]

Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ July 24 2005,06:13)]Quote[/b] (KC0NBW @ July 22 2005,21:05)]Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ July 22 2005,19:58)]Quote[/b] (KG6QQL @ July 20 2005,17:39)]KF0RT, That would be the Remington XP-100. The only bolt action 'handgun' that I know of. I would trade some of my finest to get a hold of one of those. Oh and yea, only Kalifornia outlawed anything over .50 cal. Black powder excepted of course. But hey, it's Kalifornia.
Right you are, and I knew there was a black powder issue on the .50 and above stuff somewhere. #(Been awhile).

I don't get out shooting much these days and have never been a hunter, but have the safety certificate. #We used to have a number of decent shooting ranges here, but through one "development" or another, they've been shut down. #The choices now are to go to an indoor range (screw that, they now charge by the hour and are too short anyway), or join a "club" that owns some land -- also expensive. #It's really a shame. #

Or a third alternative; the National Forests. #I still haven't figured out the "legal footing" on that one. #

73, Rob
you should move to the arrowhead of minnesota !

all the shooting area you could want and most of it is either government land or open to trespass .

we have a lot of good sized gravel pits that make excellent shooting ranges and there is no charge unless you take gravel from them . http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
I hear housing is relatively cheap up there, too. # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

73, Rob
yes, it is very affordable. look online for culbert realty or bic realty