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" Hagel tells U.S. News. "It's like they're just making it up as they go along. The reality is that we're losing in Iraq."
When are these CLOWNS going to learn that the USA must remain solid against our enemies. I guess they did not learn anything from VietNam.
Yahoo calls it "hit by friendly fire" http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnews/20050618/ts_usnews/hitbyfriendlyfire
That is exactly what it is, friendly fire.
wd0ct
06-20-2005, 01:11 AM
Quote[/b] (K8YS @ June 19 2005,18:05)]" Hagel tells U.S. News. "It's like they're just making it up as they go along. The reality is that we're losing in Iraq."
When are these CLOWNS going to learn that the USA must remain solid against our enemies. I guess they did not learn anything from VietNam.
Yahoo calls it "hit by friendly fire" http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnews/20050618/ts_usnews/hitbyfriendlyfire
That is exactly what it is, friendly fire.
Sounds like Mr. Hagel is finally learning from vietnam.
Dubya and his ilk are lying through their teeth just as the Johnson and Nixon administrations did about winning in nam.
Giving aid to the enemy my butt. It is called dissent and is borne of common sense.
Hmmm From a Republican no less. looks like even those on the "Right" side of the Isle are startng to see that it is a losing cause led by one that lied to start it all..
I love it!
"Solid against our enemies",....
Yea. Blindly follow our leader, whether he is right or wrong...
I don't think so.
I do NOT, nor have I ever, Nor will I ever support GWB!
kf6rdn
06-20-2005, 01:21 AM
Quote[/b] (N6WK @ June 19 2005,18:15)]I don't think so.
I do NOT, nor have I ever, Nor will I ever support GWB!
I'll support him when he does something right.
I will not, however hold my breath on that.
I hope we "win", whatever that entails. I think maybe we can if the Iraq government is let loose on its own and we get our butts outta there pronto!
Unfortunately, I am pretty sure that staying longer increases the probability of a "loss".
Sigh. It reminds me strangely of the movie "War Games" where the computer finally figures out that when it comes to Global Thermonuclear War, the only way to win is not to play.
I think Iraq is a little like that. We "won", but every day that passes sees the victory slipping from our grasp.
73,
Dave/al2i
KF0RT
06-20-2005, 01:37 AM
Quote[/b] (K8YS @ June 19 2005,19:05)]When are these CLOWNS going to learn that the USA must remain solid against our enemies. I guess they did not learn anything from VietNam.
As the facts come out, it appears more and more that Iraq wasn't an enemy until we made them one. Threat to the US? Not much, but I bet his Daddy is proud! Man, what a Christmas present that was!
As citizens, what we have learned from VietNam is to NOT blame the soldiers for bad decisions made at the helm. Apparently, our leaders haven't learned squat.
I voted for GWB. Twice. Both times for a lack of a better choice. Never again. As much as I hated Kerry a year ago, he's looking good today.
Might be time to put the G.I. Joe toys away and get on the reality bus!
73, Rob
N0KLT
06-20-2005, 01:56 AM
Hagel is just trying to set himself up for a run at the presidency in 2008. He has been the 'king of soundbytes' since 9/11. He doesn't seem to care much what he says or what he comments about, just as long as he is the first one to comment on it on the news and in the papers.
Hagel???
Well how about Jones? Looks like he is Dropping support also. Finally, the republicans themselves are seeing the truth and saying "Enough is Enough".
This war was/is wrong and the Intelligent ones are finally seeing the Truth.
Heck, some of us saw it a long time ago.
Of course there are some "under rock dwellers" that will say
" hey, ya gotta support that ther president or else your a Traitor!!
http://news.yahoo.com/s....lesback (http://news.yahoo.com/s/latimests/20050619/ts_latimes/inamilitarystrongholdawarhawkcirclesback)
Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ June 20 2005,02:37)]As the facts come out, it appears more and more that Iraq wasn't an enemy until we made them one.
As citizens, what we have learned from VietNam is to NOT blame the soldiers for bad decisions made at the helm. Apparently, our leaders haven't learned squat.
Very true words Rob.
Well Stated.
Quote[/b] (kf6rdn @ June 20 2005,02:21)]I'll support him when he does something right.
I will not, however hold my breath on that.
If you decide to hold your Breath until then, I'm afraid you'll die first from lack of Oxygen. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
I am trying to think of one thing he has done right.....
Iraq...No.
Terii Schiavo...No
Social Security....No
Telling the Truth....No
Protecting the Enviroment......No
etc..etc..etc..
K0RGR
06-20-2005, 02:45 AM
No - those protesting are not the guilty ones. It's the ones who lead us into this mess in the first place. We need to be hauling them before committees and taking action to see that it never happens again.
I agree that talk of a pullout or a timetable is just stupid. It surely does encourage the enemy.
There are those who think we lost in Vietnam because of this kind of stuff. I think those people are delusional. Vietnam wasn't willing to be occupied by anybody. I don't know about Iraq, but they have a history of resisting occuption, too.
KF0RT
06-20-2005, 02:53 AM
Quote[/b] (N6WK @ June 19 2005,20:20)]I am trying to think of one thing he has done right.....
Iraq...No.
Terii Schiavo...No
Social Security....No
Telling the Truth....No
Protecting the Enviroment......No
etc..etc..etc..
Happy to add a couple...
Stem cell research...No
Medical help for the elderly...No
Spent more money than anyone dead or alive...YES
Handled 9/11 okay; though, except the aftermath is a disaster. C- or D+ on that, overall.
It wasn't more than a year ago that some were saying that GWB would be the best president that ever lived. Whoops.
I thought I was electing someone who might be interested in the internal affairs of the U.S. You know... take care of the electorate and take care of business.
What a waste...
73, Rob
k9kxq
06-20-2005, 02:57 AM
Giving aid to the enemy? how on earth do you justify that remark, how can Hagel be a loser for seeing the situation as it really is, get a grip on reality OM...
Some of us were fooled the first time into voting for Dubya,but fool me once, you know how the saying goes.
kxq
w0aew
06-20-2005, 12:31 PM
But--but---but---Clinton lied! About sex! The horror!!!!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
KD4LEI
06-20-2005, 01:09 PM
Sen Hagel better be concerned about his senate reelection chances. From the gist of the climate here in Nebraska, he's very likely to be kicked to the curb come reelection time.
KD4LEI
06-20-2005, 01:12 PM
Here's a question I have for a lot of you who seem to think Iraq is a lost cause.
Have you asked a soldier who's been there for their opinion? #SCREW the politicians/political parties and the media. #What attempt have you made to ask a veteran who's been there?
W5MJL
06-20-2005, 01:15 PM
Hagel must be someone who governs by polls. He doesn't sound like a person that has the ability to make tough choices. Anyone can flow with the polls and become popular or look good.
KE7DFP
06-20-2005, 03:38 PM
Quote[/b] (KD4LEI @ June 20 2005,06:12)]Here's a question I have for a lot of you who seem to think Iraq is a lost cause.
Have you asked a soldier who's been there for their opinion? #SCREW the politicians/political parties and the media. #What attempt have you made to ask a veteran who's been there?
Exactly, I heard one Gardsmen say that Iraq wasn't too bad while he was there, BUT when he got home and watched the news, it scared the hell out of him. It kind of makes you wonder, what would motivate an American T.V. station to color stories to assist our enemies ?
Those of you would would vote for Kerry if you could do it over again - what do you think would have changed? Do you think we'd be "winning" the war if Kerry was in charge? Do you think we'd bring all our troops home and all would be well? I'm really curious - I want to know.
And as far as whether we're winning or losing, how do you know? Have you been there? The reports from actual troops on the ground that I see say we're making a lot of progress. Do you trust the media 100%?
Quote[/b] (KD4LEI @ June 20 2005,06:12)]Here's a question I have for a lot of you who seem to think Iraq is a lost cause.
Have you asked a soldier who's been there for their opinion? SCREW the politicians/political parties and the media. What attempt have you made to ask a veteran who's been there?
A very big factor in my current gloominess is because I talked to one returning Soldier and one Soldier's Aunt in the last couple of weeks.
The returning Soldier was sitting on the new deck at the AMVETS post and relaxing with a drink. That was a week ago Saturday. He was completely disheartened by his experiences. I will not violate his confidence, but the part of the occupation that he saw is going very, very badly. He would not have said that to a reporter though.
The Soldier's Aunt said her nephew was upset because an Iraqi that had been working with him and his fellow soldiers for over a year and whom they thought was a good friend either turned on them or was working against them the entire time.
Both of these soldier's stories were very reminiscent of what soldiers said about their Vietnam experiences, but in Vietnam, most of the soldiers were conscripts and willing to speak their minds to whomever would listen.
$h1t Happens (http://www.huumor.com/joke_3334)
73,
Dave/al2i
KA9VQF
06-20-2005, 05:45 PM
Quote[/b] (KD4LEI @ June 20 2005,06:12)]Here's a question I have for a lot of you who seem to think Iraq is a lost cause.
Have you asked a soldier who's been there for their opinion? #SCREW the politicians/political parties and the media. #What attempt have you made to ask a veteran who's been there?
I have asked a veteran from Iraq.
My brother in law spent 6 months in the gulf during ‘Operation Desert Storm’. He spent 18 months over there in the new one. His opinion of both of them were they were and are simply a waste of time, money, and lives.
During the first one he was a regular enlisted man. He had joined the Army to be able to get the benefits of education and GI loans when he was out. He was stationed in Germany for most of his hitch where he met and married my sister in law. #Then when the gulf war started he and his company were sent to the “sandbox” as he called it.
I remember his comments when he finally got home from that. They were not so ‘gung ho’ as he had been for most of the years I knew him before that. He said that the happiest day of his life was when he mustered out. As time passed he and his wife were in the active reserves. #
When “Operation Iraqi Freedom” started they had two small girls to take care of so his wife was able to stay home but her husband had to go.
He flew into Baghdad, was shuffled around a bit then sent to Saudi Arabia where he and his company worked on vehicles and loaded munitions. This was not the assignment he was supposed to have. He lost out on a lot of pay that he would have had if he had been given the posting he was supposed to have, there was also some kind of screw up on his rank.
Meanwhile back home the insurance he had had with the truck company he had been working for ran out since he was no longer working there. He had the option of paying for it out of #his own pocket but decided that since he was trying to support the family back home on military pay, this was not a real option. The insurance payment came to something like $20.00 less than his pay military pay per a month, so he decided that the military insurance would be adequate. He was wrong.
The military insurance would only cover certain things if they were done on a military base by military doctors and dentists. He now has something like $4000.00 in medical bills that he has to pay out of pocket because the military insurance did not, after all, cover them. #
He was still in the ‘sandbox’ during the last election. He was not a happy camper. He was incredulous that Kerry became the democratic nominee and simply couldn’t understand why there was not a better candidate put up. I think most of us wondered the same thing it seemed to him that the democrats didn’t care that Bush was president and was likely to remain that way.
He also admits that he voted for Bush himself because he feared that if the democrats came to power they would just flush the military. #
I don’t think he will be voting republican in the next election. He has a particular down on this administration for their lack of support of the troops both over there and their families and back home.
Quote[/b] (KD4LEI @ June 20 2005,06:12)]Here's a question I have for a lot of you who seem to think Iraq is a lost cause.
I fervently hope it is not a lost cause. But Americans expected something from the Vietnamese that was not there. I hope that the Iraqis have it, but all of the wishing in the world will not change reality.
73,
Dave/al2i
w5klb
06-20-2005, 05:49 PM
Quote[/b] (N6WK @ June 19 2005,18:15)]Hmmm From a Republican no less. #looks like even those on the "Right" side of the Isle are startng to see that it is a losing cause led by one that lied to start it all..
I love it!
I guess you are not the only one who's a "Liberal Republican".
(Hi Gordon- http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif )
kf6rdn
06-20-2005, 05:54 PM
Quote[/b] (N6WK @ June 19 2005,19:20)]Quote[/b] (kf6rdn @ June 20 2005,02:21)]I'll support him when he does something right.
I will not, however hold my breath on that.
If you decide to hold your Breath until then, #I'm afraid you'll die first from lack of Oxygen. # #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
I am trying to think of one thing he has done right.....
Iraq...No.
Terii Schiavo...No
Social Security....No
Telling the Truth....No
Protecting the Enviroment......No
etc..etc..etc..
C'mon, being a 6'er you have to say:
Imigration: No.
Taking bribes from V Fox: Probably
kf6rdn
06-20-2005, 05:59 PM
Quote[/b] (KA9VQF @ June 20 2005,10:45)]He was still in the ‘sandbox’ during the last election. He was not a happy camper. He was incredulous that Kerry became the democratic nominee and simply couldn’t understand why there was not a better candidate put up. I think most of us wondered the same thing it seemed to him that the democrats didn’t care that Bush was president and was likely to remain that way.
He also admits that he voted for Bush himself because he feared that if the democrats came to power they would just flush the military.
Much as I don't like Bush, I felt the same way about Kerry, VERY weak the only thing he could do was say "Bush F'd up". Well how, what are you going to do.. Hell I can say bush is screwing up. Doesnt make me a good president.
w5klb
06-20-2005, 06:00 PM
Quote[/b] (KD4LEI @ June 20 2005,06:12)]Here's a question I have for a lot of you who seem to think Iraq is a lost cause.
Have you asked a soldier who's been there for their opinion? #SCREW the politicians/political parties and the media. #What attempt have you made to ask a veteran who's been there?
Chad,
I Have. And I get the same answer: It's getting better. The liberal/socialist of this thread won't do that because they are AFRAID of the response they would get.
But let them post. I get a kick out of the propaganda. Vets like me need some comic relief. They all should have worked for "Baghdad Betty".
w0aew
06-20-2005, 07:08 PM
Quote[/b] (w5klb @ June 20 2005,11:00)]Quote[/b] (KD4LEI @ June 20 2005,06:12)]Here's a question I have for a lot of you who seem to think Iraq is a lost cause.
Have you asked a soldier who's been there for their opinion? SCREW the politicians/political parties and the media. What attempt have you made to ask a veteran who's been there?
Chad,
I Have. And I get the same answer: It's getting better. The liberal/socialist of this thread won't do that because they are AFRAID of the response they would get.
But let them post. I get a kick out of the propaganda. Vets like me need some comic relief. They all should have worked for "Baghdad Betty".
Here ya go, Chuckles. Read 'em (http://www.vaiw.org/vet/index.php) and laugh.
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
KD4LEI
06-21-2005, 09:14 PM
Quote[/b] (WA5OES @ June 20 2005,06:08)]Quote[/b] (w5klb @ June 20 2005,11:00)]Quote[/b] (KD4LEI @ June 20 2005,06:12)]Here's a question I have for a lot of you who seem to think Iraq is a lost cause.
Have you asked a soldier who's been there for their opinion? #SCREW the politicians/political parties and the media. #What attempt have you made to ask a veteran who's been there?
Chad,
I Have. And I get the same answer: It's getting better. The liberal/socialist of this thread won't do that because they are AFRAID of the response they would get.
But let them post. I get a kick out of the propaganda. Vets like me need some comic relief. They all should have worked for "Baghdad Betty".
Here ya go, Chuckles. Read 'em (http://www.vaiw.org/vet/index.php) and laugh.
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
You know, maybe it would take a foreign power to take over this country and shakes the foundation to the point that it gets its citizens to wake up once and for all. Especially when they strip the every constitutional right of what we consider our way of life (irregardless of what viewpoint any of us carry) that we have taken forgranted.
Worried about the Patriot Act? HA! That would be the least of anyone's worries and I don't really care if you're viewpoint is liberal or conservative.
We don't even hold a candle to those back when many came to this country in the 16 and 1700's. Those same people who fought to free themselves from tyrannical rule of England. Maybe that's what needs to happen... Maybe a brutal foreign entity that we have not seen the likes of in over 230 years ruling on American soil. But I certainly hope it never EVER comes to that.
Face it folks we have way too many gutless people taking over this country. It's only a matter of time before our downfall is right before our very eyes...
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/Skin/Default/PostIcons/icon8.gif
Quote[/b] (w5klb @ June 20 2005,18:49)]I guess you are not the only one who's a "Liberal Republican".
(Hi Gordon- http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif )
He He he... Guess Not.
Hi Gary! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
kc2kde
06-22-2005, 01:40 AM
Quote[/b] (N6WK @ June 19 2005,18:15)]Hmmm From a Republican no less. #looks like even those on the "Right" side of the Isle are startng to see that it is a losing cause led by one that lied to start it all..
I love it!
"Solid against our enemies",....
Yea. #Blindly follow our leader, whether he is right or wrong...
I don't think so.
I do NOT, nor have I ever, Nor will I ever support GWB!
One republican doesn't speak for all of us, buddy.
KE7DFP
08-23-2005, 05:43 AM
Quote[/b] (KD4LEI @ June 21 2005,14:14)]Quote[/b] (WA5OES @ June 20 2005,06:08)]Quote[/b] (w5klb @ June 20 2005,11:00)]Quote[/b] (KD4LEI @ June 20 2005,06:12)]Here's a question I have for a lot of you who seem to think Iraq is a lost cause.
Have you asked a soldier who's been there for their opinion? #SCREW the politicians/political parties and the media. #What attempt have you made to ask a veteran who's been there?
Chad,
I Have. And I get the same answer: It's getting better. The liberal/socialist of this thread won't do that because they are AFRAID of the response they would get.
But let them post. I get a kick out of the propaganda. Vets like me need some comic relief. They all should have worked for "Baghdad Betty".
Here ya go, Chuckles. Read 'em (http://www.vaiw.org/vet/index.php) and laugh.
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
You know, maybe it would take a foreign power to take over this country and shakes the foundation to the point that it gets its citizens to wake up once and for all. #Especially when they strip the every constitutional right of what we consider our way of life (irregardless of what viewpoint any of us carry) that we have taken forgranted. #
Worried about the Patriot Act? #HA! #That would be the least of anyone's worries and I don't really care if you're viewpoint is liberal or conservative.
We don't even hold a candle to those back when many came to this country in the 16 and 1700's. #Those same people who fought to free themselves from tyrannical rule of England. #Maybe that's what needs to happen... #Maybe a brutal foreign entity that we have not seen the likes of in over 230 years ruling on American soil. #But I certainly hope it never EVER comes to that.
Face it folks we have way too many gutless people taking over this country. #It's only a matter of time before our downfall is right before our very eyes...
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/Skin/Default/PostIcons/icon8.gif
We are a people who think safe half measures are the answer. #Don't bomb the baathists on the road of death. It might cause ill will in the worlds. #What will people think of us? #So we deal with them now. #That little bit of public outcry looks pretty good right now. #Ten chances to get rid of Osama. #Either by direct assasination or capture. #But what will the public say if we put a round through him, ot heaven forbid, we accept his extradition to the U.S.? #Could be awfully bad for a guys political career. #Correction, it might be bad. #Better not take the gamble. How many americans died because of that politician's cowardice? #I'm afraid your right Chad, the only thing thing that will make this country get off it's butt, is to get hit HARD, which it will. #When ever it get's hard enough, often enough, we will do the right thing.
w5klb
08-23-2005, 06:04 AM
Quote[/b] (WA5OES @ June 20 2005,05:31)]But--but---but---Clinton lied! About sex! The horror!!!!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Another case of a liberal trying to rewrite history.
Klinton's problem was not about the sex, although it just go to show the words "fidelity" and "morality" was never a part of Klinton's vocabulary. However, if you will READ the REAL history, not the rewritten liberal version of it, you will find that Klinton did lie to an Arkansas Grand Jury. He lost his license to practice law in Arkansas over this lie.
"It depends on what your definition of 'is' is". #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
WA5KRP
08-23-2005, 06:38 AM
Quote[/b] (N6WK @ June 19 2005,21:15)]Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ June 20 2005,02:37)]As the facts come out, it appears more and more that Iraq wasn't an enemy until we made them one. # #
As citizens, what we have learned from VietNam is to NOT blame the soldiers for bad decisions made at the helm. #Apparently, our leaders haven't learned squat.
Very true words Rob.
Well Stated.
So it shouldn't be too hard for you chronic Bush-whackers to explain this from Bill Clinton's Dec.16, 1998 speech. (http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/12/16/transcripts/clinton.html)
Quote[/b] ]Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.
Your position being Clinton committed to eliminate the threat of weapons of mass destruction possessed by Hussein and Bush committed to a lie.
Do you have any idea how silly you sound?
WA5KRP
Texas
Quote[/b] (WA5KRP @ Aug. 22 2005,22:38)]Quote[/b] (N6WK @ June 19 2005,21:15)]Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ June 20 2005,02:37)]As the facts come out, it appears more and more that Iraq wasn't an enemy until we made them one. # #
As citizens, what we have learned from VietNam is to NOT blame the soldiers for bad decisions made at the helm. #Apparently, our leaders haven't learned squat.
Very true words Rob.
Well Stated.
So it shouldn't be too hard for you chronic Bush-whackers to explain this from Bill Clinton's Dec.16, 1998 speech. (http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/12/16/transcripts/clinton.html)
Quote[/b] ]Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.
Your position being Clinton committed to eliminate the threat of weapons of mass destruction possessed by Hussein and Bush committed to a lie.
Do you have any idea how silly you sound?
WA5KRP
Texas
Quote[/b] ]Do you have any idea how silly you sound?
No weapons of mass destruction found in 2003-2005
Do you realize how silly you sound bringing up President Clinton quotations 7 years after the fact?
Dave WX7B
Quote[/b] (K8YS @ June 19 2005,17:05)]" Hagel tells U.S. News. "It's like they're just making it up as they go along. The reality is that we're losing in Iraq."
When are these CLOWNS going to learn that the USA must remain solid against our enemies. I guess they did not learn anything from VietNam.
Yahoo calls it "hit by friendly fire" http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnews/20050618/ts_usnews/hitbyfriendlyfire
That is exactly what it is, friendly fire.
This is pretty predictable.
The only thing you left out was Hagel is a "liberal"...
Dave WX7B
Quote[/b] (KD4LEI @ June 20 2005,05:09)]Sen Hagel better be concerned about his senate reelection chances. #From the gist of the climate here in Nebraska, he's very likely to be kicked to the curb come reelection time.
You need to get some education about your current state of residence, Chad.
Chuck Hagel isn't up for re-election this time, Ben Nelson is.
You must not know Nebraska outside of your insular military community. Hagel is very popular among Nebraskans, as shown by recent polls.
I'm really surprised you didn't pull out the the "Hagel is liberal" nonsense. He is far from "liberal". He's right about this issue and has the courage to speak out against Bush policy, something most spineless Republicans can't seem to do in the current environment.
Dave WX7B
Quote[/b] (w5klb @ Aug. 22 2005,22:04)]Quote[/b] (WA5OES @ June 20 2005,05:31)]But--but---but---Clinton lied! About sex! The horror!!!!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Another case of a liberal trying to rewrite history.
Klinton's problem was not about the sex, although it just go to show the words "fidelity" and "morality" was never a part of Klinton's vocabulary. However, if you will READ the REAL history, not the rewritten liberal version of it, you will find that Klinton did lie to an Arkansas Grand Jury. He lost his license to practice law in Arkansas over this lie.
"It depends on what your definition of 'is' is". #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
It's "Clinton" Gary.
Please explain why you choose to misspell former President Clinton's name.
Also explain the "re-writing of history" comment.
Dave WX7B
K6UEY
08-23-2005, 09:36 AM
K8YS,
Bob,your comments on the renegade Senator,was like hitting a hornets nest with a stick.
The pinko hijackers took over and ran with the topic. For awhile I thought I had stumbled into a Hanoi Jane Cell meeting.About the only thing missing was Joan Bayez singing the Islam call to prayer.
I am sure Osama appreciates all the support being offered.His people may even let the supporters close their eyes when they are beheaded.
Some Liberal/Socialist made the remark I thought all pinko's were ignorant and uninformed,no that is not true,but after reading some of their postings it is easy to see why one would come to that conclusion.
I try very hard to never underestimate my enemies,and the ignorance they are capable of displaying. # # #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
Quote[/b] (K6UEY @ Aug. 23 2005,01:36)]K8YS,
Bob,your comments on the renegade Senator,was like hitting a hornets nest with a stick.
The pinko hijackers took over and ran with the topic. For awhile I thought I had stumbled into a Hanoi Jane Cell meeting.About the only thing missing was Joan Bayez singing the Islam call to prayer.
I am sure Osama appreciates all the support being offered.His people may even let the supporters close their eyes when they are beheaded.
Some Liberal/Socialist made the remark I thought all pinko's were ignorant and uninformed,no that is not true,but after reading some of their postings it is easy to see why one would come to that conclusion.
I try very hard to never underestimate my enemies,and the ignorance they are capable of displaying. # # #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
Joe McCarthy!
You're alive, and being chanelled through a Northern California (note the spelling) amateur radio operator!
You're dead, Joe. Your golf buddy, J. Edgar Hoover and his boyfriend, Clyde Tolson, are dead too. It's too bad some people can't get a clue that the world has changed since you boys died.
Gee, It's a whole new different world!
Dave WX7B
K6UEY
08-23-2005, 10:04 AM
WX7B,
Knock it off Dave, posting like am imbecile does not behoove you.You act as though you are the last one to find out the Socialist's have taken over your party.Almost everyone in your party has been complaining about it for years, but you,I guess you were listening to a talk show that day and missed it.
Haven't you or your kind ever given thought as to where the Liberal leftist's label came to be tagged on the Democratic party.
There is an ole saying "there is always some one who doesn't get the word",I guess it is true!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Quote[/b] (K6UEY @ Aug. 23 2005,02:04)]WX7B,
Knock it off Dave, posting like am imbecile does not behoove you.You act as though you are the last one to find out the Socialist's have taken over your party.Almost everyone in your party has been complaining about it for years, but you,I guess you were listening to a talk show that day and missed it.
Haven't you or your kind ever given thought as to where the Liberal leftist's label came to be tagged on the Democratic party.
There is an ole saying "there is always some one who doesn't get the word",I guess it is true!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
I don't post like an "imbecile".
Others do a much better job.
Dave WX7B
w5lda
08-23-2005, 12:13 PM
WX7B
"Joe McCarthy" I had to laugh at that as I thought the same for several months
Quote[/b] (K8YS @ June 18 2005,19:05)]When are these CLOWNS going to learn that the USA must remain solid against our enemies.
Exactly,
Next thing you will here him making policy statements on how to address our terrorist friends
Quote[/b] ]TOWEL HEADS"
Recently I received a warning about the use of this politically incorrect term, so please note, we all need to be more sensitive in our choice of words.
I have been informed the Islamic terrorists, who hate our guts and want to kill us, do not like to be called "Towel Heads", since the item they wear on their heads is not actually a towel, but in fact, a small folded sheet.
Therefore, from this point forward, please refer to them as "Little Sheet Heads." Thank you for your support and compliance on this delicate matter.
And, God Bless America.
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KF0RT
08-23-2005, 01:22 PM
Quote[/b] (WA5KRP @ Aug. 23 2005,00:38)]Quote[/b] (N6WK @ June 19 2005,21:15)]Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ June 20 2005,02:37)]As the facts come out, it appears more and more that Iraq wasn't an enemy until we made them one.
As citizens, what we have learned from VietNam is to NOT blame the soldiers for bad decisions made at the helm. Apparently, our leaders haven't learned squat.
Very true words Rob.
Well Stated.
So it shouldn't be too hard for you chronic Bush-whackers to explain this from Bill Clinton's Dec.16, 1998 speech. (http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/12/16/transcripts/clinton.html)
Quote[/b] ]Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.
Your position being Clinton committed to eliminate the threat of weapons of mass destruction possessed by Hussein and Bush committed to a lie.
Do you have any idea how silly you sound?
WA5KRP
Texas
How much Clinton sucked has little bearing on how much Bush sucks. Well, other than the fact that we haven't had a real leader in quite some time...
73, Rob
It would be nice for the next election for the American people to have a choise
It would be nice to vote for a canidate for what they can do for us vs he's less of a loser than the other person.
I mean, common. Gore vs Bush? Kerry vs Bush? Give me a break!
(At least Edwards tried to rise above the finger pointing, at least until he got in bed with the Kerry campain.)
n0jaa
08-23-2005, 09:31 PM
Quote[/b] (AC6XA @ June 20 2005,12:59)]Those of you would would vote for Kerry if you could do it over again - what do you think would have changed? #Do you think we'd be "winning" the war if Kerry was in charge? #Do you think we'd bring all our troops home and all would be well? #I'm really curious - I want to know.
I am pleased that I voted for the Constitution Party candidate in the last two elections. I knew he had no chance of winning the election, but at least my vote didn't go to the mainline candidates.
Paul, N0JAA.
n0jaa
08-23-2005, 09:41 PM
Quote[/b] (w5klb @ Aug. 23 2005,02:04)]"It depends on what your definition of 'is' is". #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Is (iz) verb; the third person singular present indicative of be.
Source: #American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition.
KF0RT
08-23-2005, 09:56 PM
Quote[/b] (w0pee @ Aug. 23 2005,13:22)]It would be nice for the next election for the American people to have a choise
It would be nice to vote for a canidate for what they can do for us vs he's less of a loser than the other person.
My sentiments perzactly. I voted for Clinton twice and Bush three times (including "daddy"). Each was a "lesser of evils" vote and I still think I did the right thing in all 5 of those elections, given the choices.
Know what I liked about Clinton? He just didn't do much.
73, Rob
Quote[/b] (kd5vsg @ Aug. 23 2005,13:13)]WX7B
"Joe McCarthy" I had to laugh at that as I thought the same for several months
He he he, I've noticed that for a couple of years now!
I also laughed Out loud.
Good one WX7B
KE7DFP
08-24-2005, 04:23 PM
Oh, so now your bashing Joe McCarthy? # #sheeesh
Quote[/b] (KE7DFP @ Aug. 24 2005,11:23)]Oh, so now your bashing Joe McCarthy? # #sheeesh
So, whats NOT to bash??
The man was a self-centered, witch-hunting moron...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy
Quote[/b] (N0PU @ Aug. 24 2005,14:42)]Quote[/b] (KE7DFP @ Aug. 24 2005,11:23)]Oh, so now your bashing Joe McCarthy? sheeesh
So, whats NOT to bash??
The man was a self-centered, witch-hunting moron...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy
I think they are saying that comparing Orv to Joe is highly unfavorable to Joe.
Now if Orv responds, we can't have anyone calling for the moderator.
73,
Dave/al2i
WB2RJR
08-24-2005, 10:49 PM
You guys are sick.
I had the honor of meeting Mr. McCarthy in the early 1970's. Had to fix his Zenith TV, it kept switching channels when he was watching baseball. It was his dog doing it. It's tags would klink together and change the channel. Put electrical on one of them. Problem fixed.
Joe McCarthy was an all time great.
NY Yankees manager 1932-43.
Check his record out!
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/teams/yank.shtml
73 Marty WB2RJR
P.S. Orv should be honored by the conparison.
K0RGR
08-24-2005, 10:54 PM
Let's not get into the Joe McCarthy debate. He's still a hero to lots of people in Wisconsin, and blonde lawyers adored by the John Birch Society. I read part of the lady's book, and I didn't see that she made any part of her case.
I don't think Mr. Hagel is in trouble. My father-in-law is as Republican as anybody can be, and he reads the Omaha newspaper daily. He tells me that Mr. Bush "stepped in deep sh-t" when he went into Iraq. That's about as strong a condemnation of a Republican as he'll ever make. This guy hasn't washed his right hand since he shook hands with President Reagan back in the 80's.
But I don't agree with Hagel, either. Setting deadlines or timetables for a pullout is not appropriate. If we're going to set a deadline, it should be a deadline for when Iraq is self-sufficient, after which we will double the number of troops if they are not! We really can't afford to bug out of this horrible mess they've got us into!
k9kxq
08-24-2005, 11:11 PM
Reinstate the draft,send regs over there and when they adjust to the job pull the NG state side to protect the borders.
AND since we are there take the oil to repay the United States for liberating their sorry back sides so gas wil be back to .50 a gal...
my 2 cents....
kxq
Quote[/b] (KE7DFP @ Aug. 24 2005,17:23)]Oh, so now your bashing Joe McCarthy? sheeesh
The guy was a Communist hunting Idiot. He blamed everything on the communist. He even invented the RED scare. He deserves to be bashed...
Yes, he still lives today in the form of some others.
Gordon
Quote[/b] (K0RGR @ Aug. 24 2005,23:54)]My father-in-law is as Republican as anybody can be, and he reads the Omaha newspaper daily. He tells me that Mr. Bush "stepped in deep sh-t" when he went into Iraq. That's about as strong a condemnation of a Republican as he'll ever make. This guy hasn't washed his right hand since he shook hands with President Reagan back in the 80's.
Your father-in-law is a "SMART " man. He knows the truth when he sees it!
KE7DFP
08-25-2005, 03:44 AM
Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Aug. 24 2005,17:01)]Quote[/b] (KE7DFP @ Aug. 24 2005,17:23)]Oh, so now your bashing Joe McCarthy? # #sheeesh
The guy was a Communist hunting Idiot. #He blamed everything on the #communist. He even invented the RED scare. #He deserves to be bashed...
Yes, he still lives today in the form of some others.
Gordon
Well that's what I always thought too, when I was younger and believed everything the news shoveled. When I was just a fresh vessel waiting to be filled, I trusted what I was told by the gods on that B$W TV. But now that I know how corrupt they were, it's time for re-evaluation. In those days, we had to get up from our chair and change the channel by hand. #We only had two! So now I'm thinking I will go back and restudy the history of the McCarthy era. #I was lied to about everything else; perhaps there's perusing to be had on this subject. #I must admit, I meant my post tongue in cheek. #Since no emoticom was available for that expression, I was mistook. #But judging by the response, I am now, more than ever, convinced that it's imperative I do revisit the life of that illustrious and enigmatic Senator. I only ask, that, None Dare Call It Treason.
KE7DFP
08-25-2005, 03:54 AM
Quote[/b] (k9kxq @ Aug. 24 2005,16:11)]Reinstate the draft,send regs over there and when they adjust to the job pull the NG state side to protect the borders.
AND since we are there take the oil to repay the United States for liberating their sorry back sides so gas wil be back to .50 a gal...
my 2 cents....
kxq
Now, there's an idea I like! When we went in we were to take the debt out in Oil. But more importantly, we'll make all the free loaders supply their share of the Man Power. Right now, the Republicans are carying the whole dram country! If someone's a "peace person" we can at least use them on the border or send them to the peace Corp.in Niger! Every teenager should go into boot camp and serve their country one way or the other after high school. We're raising a generation of mash potatoes! Every teenager a rifleman!
K6UEY
08-25-2005, 04:47 AM
K9KXQ,
Good Idea,now who is going to pay for the rebuilding of the fields so we can take our share of the cost in oil.
I'm sure you know that those fields were built over 35 years ago and Sadamn did nothing to keep them running. They are run down and in very poor repair,the French did some work,so they could barter for oil but much repair is needed to market oil on the world market.
Only one company has people on the scene,and has the ability to bring the fields back,but the personell have this thing about being shot at and bombed,who do you suggest go in there to get the oil out, and who is going to pay them to do the job??
Other wise the idea of stealing the Iraqi oil is a good one.Although the Iraqi people might have comments on the subject...............
k9kxq
08-25-2005, 06:48 AM
Quote[/b] (K6UEY @ Aug. 24 2005,23:47)]K9KXQ,
Good Idea,now who is going to pay for the rebuilding of the fields so we can take our share of the cost in oil.
I'm sure you know that those fields were built over 35 years ago and Sadamn did nothing to keep them running. They are run down and in very poor repair,the French did some work,so they could barter for oil but much repair is needed to market oil on the world market.
Only one company has people on the scene,and has the ability to bring the fields back,but the personell have this thing about being shot at and bombed,who do you suggest go in there to get the oil out, and who is going to pay them to do the job??
Other wise the idea of stealing the Iraqi oil is a good one.Although the Iraqi people might have comments on the subject...............
Orv, we are rebuilding now, my brother in law is at Camp Danger in Tikrik working for Halliburton, we tax payers will pay for the rebuild and we dam sure will get some pay back, we're going to take that oil, we can't aford to lose it to China...
kxq
w5lda
08-25-2005, 05:34 PM
I see the other witch hunter finally posted
K6UEY
08-25-2005, 08:40 PM
K9KXQ,
Well I hope your brother -in -law returns safely. The insurgents are doing all they can to prevent the new Iraqi Gov. from coming into being.Getting the oil fields back to production will give them some income to help rebuild the country,and take the pressure off of us.
Yes Halliburton was fortunate that they were the only company of sufficient size with personell and equipment in the area.
If you recall,it was thought that Sadamn would fire the wells as he did in Kuwait,so contracts were lent to Halliburton to try and save what could be saved.
Fortunately for the Iraqi people Sadamn never got around to that,but the 35 years of trying to pump them dry with no maintence took it's toll.
Again I hope he comes back safe,on that job you never know if you will get the chance to eat your lunch!!
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Quote[/b] (kd5vsg @ Aug. 25 2005,18:34)]I see the other witch hunter finally posted
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Thanks Larry !!